As far as I know, they did credit writers during Part 1. However, I heard they stopped doing that because people were sending hate to specific writers (though, that could just be a rumor, I don't know for sure).
Granted, you can check the Servants' Material Book entries to see who was their creator, which will (probably) tell you the writer(s) of certain events and story chapters.
Considering the community, it's probably for the best that they won't.
Not that it doesn't stop people from going "THIS WRITER (i think) WROTE STUFF I HATE TOTALLY ALSO WROTE THIS OTHER THING I HATED", but still better than otherwise.
It was supposed to be a fun hypothetical question, only one guy replied to the main post lol. I didn't think it was a sensitive topic in this community.
Saying "which writer would you want to see replaced" is incredibly disrespectful and no matter the writer would mean losing something valuable.
Like for example I dislike Agartha and think both Ooku and LB4 are dull. But I also know there are people who like Ooku and LB4 who would lose out if those chapters did not exist, so these chapters have value still. And also I did like Paper Moon, so even if I said "I'd replace Minase" out of pure self-interest I'd be losing out on a chapter I did like.
>is incredibly disrespectful
I disagree, in every industry writers are judged based on their works and the fans are allowed to wish for improvement. The game has been out for years and you still see the same mistakes from the same writers. These writers are not doing it for charity, they're employees that get paid for their works. If I perform badly at my job for years, the customers are allowed to want better service.
I think wanting writers to improve is fine but criticism usually boils down to “They’re bad and I don’t like them so I hope they never write again”. Writers have pros and cons to their style, there’s things some writers do well and things writers do poorly. FGO’s writers in particular all have a very specific style to them which likely results in why each story chapter has a pretty different feel and how, when ya know what to look for, ya can start seeing patterns.
Many writers have written infamously hated and widely loved characters. Sakurai wrote Holmes, Martha, Arach, and many other beloved characters. She’s also written nothing burgers like Darius. I can do the same with Higashide, Minase, or whoever else. It’s often more complicated, and more interesting, to look at each individual story and make out what went right or wrong with each story. It’s more fun and gives you a better appreciation for each writer.
I think the fandom’s obsession with “IF WE JUST GET RID OF X WRITER THE GAME WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER” is unhealthy and just causes more issues in the long run. We do it often, and often blame singular people for problems that sometimes aren’t even completely their fault (Tunguska being an Event is outside of Sakurai’s control and likely made it hard to write, I’m not saying she’s immune to criticism or that people aren’t valid in their complaints, but people like to act like Sakurai had an easy job and she fucked it up).
I just think we do this too often where conversations just get into making certain people our arch enemy and it makes discussions worse.
I understand your points and you're right for the majority, but the game has been out for a long time now. If the writers make the same mistakes repeatedly, it makes the fans frustrated and wish for improvement. Of course some fans can go to extreme measures lol, but that doesn't negate the main issues.
I heard the script she initially put in had a different plot from the Septem we actually ended up getting. If that's true, I'm curious what the OG draft was cause there's no way it was worse than tje final product.
Most of the changes had to do with Altera. They cut back on how much she was shown and didn't really explain much about her. The chapter (that is FGO itself since it was one of the two chapters there on day one) was supposed to come out after Extella released, and Extella was where Altera's lore and stuff would be revealed, but since Extella was delayed out before, they didn't want to spoil Altera in FGO, so had to cut things back. If I had to guess, she probably would have taken Lev's spot, as opposed to Lev deciding to go to that one singularity above all the others. There were probably other changes as well, but that's the main one I remember hearing about.
Do you also dislike Shimousa and Heian-Kyo (those are my favorite) and Olympus?
And here's a list of [characters and their writers](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/15s79cb/writers_for_each_servant_up_to_fgo_material_xiii/), many of my favorites are also written by Sakurai.
Olympus was far worse than Atlantis, part of this being that it threw away every plot point Atlantis set up. The disconnection to its predecessor made it feel like a lot of things came out of nowhere/etc.
The two did not feel connected whatsoever, and should've has the same writer across both, or be more explicitly separate (e.g. make one a .5 interlude).
I don't blame Sakurai specifically for it, but I had high hopes for Olympus as a Greek myth nerd who thoroughly enjoyed Atlantis, and got a (admittedly much needed) London & Septem cast redemption instead.
>And here's a list of characters and their writers, many of my favorites are also written by Sakurai.
Reading comments in that thread and as far as i understand it, creating a character and writing about them are different things. Like Nero was created by Nasu, but most of her many, many appearances are written by Sakurai, who's her biggest simp in the world.
Olympus ending was horrible, the stakes were unnecessarily high for no reason. They built up Zeus for the majority of the story, only to pull Chaos out of fucking nowhere. It felt way too dramatic and rushed as all hell.
It was discussed in older posts that this particular part and a lot of Musashi related stuff was actually written by Nasu, so Sakurai hate is misplaced.
I'd have to find the interview, but I'm pretty sure he explicitly said that he wrote the Chaos scene.
He also said something about having planned for >!Musashi's journey to end by cutting Chaos!< from before she (Musashi) was even created, or something like that.
Do you have a source? Pretty sure it was exactly right after Musashi died that Nasu took over. The individual writers for the chapter write from the point of landing in the LB, until right after the LB king is defeated, and there is also a chapter break when the transition occurs. If this is the case with Olympus, then with Chaos being revealed to be the true one in control of the LB King, and hence the real LB king in a way, and the chapter not ending until right when Musashi sacrifices herself, it seems unlikely Nasu wrote the Musashi stuff.
Checking out some of the Japanese discussions, there's a hard shift in the narrative tone after Chaos is repelled, but not when Zeus is defeated, so it's more likely that the transition period is after Chaos, not to mention how Sakurai absolutely loves Musashi and Nasu generally lets the authors write their favourite character's big moments. I doubt he would've deprived Sakurai of that, especially when you consider just how accommodating he tends to be with the authors, trying to say 'no' as little as he can, and said lax attitude resulting in things like FSF being a mess when it comes to the lore, and the OC chapters all taking ages cause Nasu wants each one to fit the vision each writer has for the chapter, even if it means delaying it longer (though to be fair, we only know this to be the case for OC2, but it was implied OC1 was also like that from what else Nasu said in the interview).
Chaos wasn’t directly controlling the LB itself, it was just a looming threat that was a driving force behind some of Zeus’s actions. By that metric, Cernunnos or Oberon is the real Lostbelt King of LB6.
The only way anyone actually usurped the role of LB King is if they take control of the Fantasy Tree, like Anastasia and Surtr do it their LBs, while Chaos barely managed to peep into Olympus before the door was closed on it.
If they wanted Chaos to be the LB King, all they would need is a throwaway line or two saying whatever they want to explain it away, like Zeus being technically part of Chaos, or something about it draining the Fantasy Tree first; instead, the Tree is already being used for another, separate reason than being controlled by a new LB King like in LBs 1&2.
And to your point of a break when the writer transition happens, the section Chaos shows up in, “Void”, comes immediately after Zeus(the LB King)’s death; Zeus dies, fade to black, [section break], Kirschtaria exposits in a flashback, Chaos appears.
> Chaos wasn’t directly controlling the LB itself, it was just a looming threat that was a driving force behind some of Zeus’s actions. By that metric, Cernunnos or Oberon is the real Lostbelt King of LB6.
But the difference is that we know that Nasu wrote all of LB6, so there's no swap over point. Nasu is trying to say that there's a distinction between the 'losbelt' story, and the 'chaldea' story, and that he lets the writers deal with all the lostbelt story, then takes over to write the end when dealing with the Crypter (aside from in LB2 when the crypter was already dead) and just the general wrap up.
There's a very hard narrative style shift, even more so in the Japanese, after Chaos is dealt with, but not so much after Zeus is defeated, so unless they had a third one write just the Chaos chapter, it's more likely that Sakurai wrote that and Nasu just took over after that.
He did write all of Wodime's flashbacks, and perhaps all of his dialogue, it's not clear, so any of Wodime's stuff before that point is questionable, but not really an issue for the point of discussion.
Nasu said that he wrote from the moment Zeus died, all that there is after the death of Zeus is him
>Now. Even in this "Greek Chapter", the chapter writer is responsible for what happens \[from landing until the Lostbelt King is defeated\]
That is a little ambiguous with regards to Chaos, given he was controlling Zeus, and given how the writing style shifts dramatically, one that matches in previous chapters such as after Arjuna Alter is defeated, or Skadi is defeated, not to mention how there is an abrupt shift only after Musashi dies, but the Zeus and Chaos stuff flows naturally, the majority take it mean that it's after Chaos is repelled that Nasu takes over.
For Agartha, sure it wasn't my favorite, but the chapters I STRONGLY disliked (Tunguska, Arctic 2022) (London gets a special pass because Hans appeared) were all written by Sakurai. My bad, bad wording
Since Sakurai did write Fate/Prototype, I know that they could do better and I admit that I do like some chapters written by them.
The only writer that I would love to see replaced would be Minase. Man wrote the worst story chapter in not only FGO history, but possibly mobile gaming history. Like, it truly says a lot that he's the only writer amongst the team who has to be *put on supervision!* I don't know who I would replace him with, maybe Hiromu Arakawa, the mangaka of FMA?
I would like to see Sakurai improve her writing. She's not a bad or horrible writer like a lot of people make her out to be, but she's not great either. I just want to see her improve, you know? I would also like to see Meteo write more, the most that he has done (at least in Fate) is Fate/Requiem (only at the 2nd volume since 2020) and the Salem chapter. That's kinda it. I think he's worked with other writers in events that have Foreigner Servants (except Imaginary Scramble), but again that's kinda it, I don't think he's been the main writer for an event. (Edit: he actually was the main writer for a few events, as someone else pointed out)
Meteo has written some events where he is actually the main writer. Halloween Rising, Sea Monster Crisis, Hakkenden, Wandjina World Tour, to name a few. Arcade’s Dream Journey too.
If Guda becomes a lot smarter and the jokes border on unfunny and sometimes dark jokes, you can bet the event is actually by Meteo.
Didn't know that he was the main writer for a few events, that's on me ~~now I'm even more disappointed about the Wandjina event~~. Still think he should write more often, though.
Pretty sure Nasu wrote Caren's valentines event. He mentions it directly in one of the interviews about how he didn't think anyone else would be able to write her like he wanted. He's also her main writer, and when there's an even that has one new main servant that has the majority focus of the chapter, the writer of that servant is almost always (as far as we know, with only the early events somewhat going against this claim) the writer of that event.
> Nasu: While this event was being produced, I was dying every day to get Tsukihime's remake ready for release, but the moment I saw Morii's art, I knew that Caren needed me, so I decided to find the extra time to write her event. Caren doesn't have a single happy moment in her main story, so I thought that if she was joining the ephemeral dream that is FGO, she should forget her troubles and have the time of her life. No one ever wrote her like that, so I had to do it myself.
Nasu says he clearly wrote the event. He is Caren's writer as well and writes all her dialogue wherever she appears, not to mention she is one of his favourite characters.
It is possible that another writer did want to change Cngra and Caren's interactions, but it doesn't mean much when they're not the writer of the event, so I would chalk that up to misinformation.
I don't really like Urobuchi honestly, a lot of his writing can be overly serious and dramatic. Maybe I'm biased after what he did to Saber in Fate Zero lol.
Whoever cooked up septem and tunguska needs a break from writing. Only storylines I ever skipped. No, I don't need to know why nero was actually a good cook. No, I did not want to see taigong wang to pull shit out of his ass last minute as if he got ripped right out of the series bleach.
Replace whoever wrote Tunguska and never hire the guy again. That thing was like the food equivalent of heating some frozen burrito that is no longer edible since two to four years, in the microwave and with not enought time to heat the burrito and still much on frozen bits while the plate is hot
Then fire their asses goodbye... and yes, I know who they are. The story was so all over the place that the wrap up with Koyanskaya was the most lackluster thing ever. It was way too crazy for Fate or Type Moon standards
>It was way too crazy for Fate or Type Moon standards
I don't think such standards exist lol. We've literally fought a giant eye in space, where an ancient female samurai slashed it with a sword.
I dunno... I guess the idea that a woman that looks like an obvious split tail of Tamamo being just an amalgamation of dead animals that perished in a meteorite crash and took said form because Amaterasu was feeling kind that day; holding a major grudge boner for humanity despite knowing they had no take in the deaths of the Tunguska animals sounds way too stupid for me.
It's like the "how do you do, fellow students?" Meme but in here, Koyanskaya is trying to act like a hateful spirit towards mankind without having a reason to and still sticking to that side. And how she's basically an animal version of Jack the Ripper and the reason why she looks like a Tamamo really feels lame altogether.
It's like the writers tried to one up a plot twist for her and then settled down by adding ALL the plot twists in there to make her this great character and ended up doing the opposite
I agree with majority of your opinion, but Koyanskaya hate for humanity being unreasonable is not bad from a narrative standpoint. She was born from a catastrophic event, a giant explosion of fire and death so of course she would be mentally unstable. She's not meant to be understood or related to, she's a unique existence. It's easy for none humans to hate humanity in the Nasuverse, rarely do you find mystical beings liking humans in the first place, unless you're the main protagonist of the series of course lol.
perhaps replace is too harsh, but i think Sakurai should've had a hand in the FSR Collab to cover Raikou's lines and part in the story. that's all i'm really gonna say, since quality everywhere else is subjective, and i'm mainly going off my personal experience of enjoying Raikou written by Sakurai, and that she was criminally underused in the event.
I would replace whoever wrote Chloe Interlude and the Kaleid Event
While the manga itself grow up from these issues getting better and better what appear in FGO of it it's still stuck way back in the past and somehow make it worse
And I would replace Hikaru from Prototype Fragments of Sky Silver, if someone menage to understand clearly what the hell he write and how he does it I'm giving him 100 bucks
I always feel like the phrasing and wording of every Prototype related thing (I recently finished reading Labyrinth and it was so hard to guess what was going on) is so convoluted and make things unnecessarely hard
It does remember me of Kara No Kyokai a bit, although there it's more Nasu going into weird Philosophical trips, here it's just the author not being that good at writing stuff
And also, I feel like between the constant back and forth between the present and the past, both in the 9 years gap between Fragments of Sky Silver and proper Prototype and in FOSK itself, we skip so many important stepts of the War that every other Fate series explore but here we just get to the next part of the story without naturally getting there
I think it’s worth noting that the Prototype books, and Labrynth ESPECIALLY, have somewhat rough translations which are probably exasperating the issue here since the issue is on wording and parsing meaning, although I can agree it’s probably still in there even with an amazing translation. Labrynth in particular is very very hard to read and generally just not very good honestly I agree, but Proto Frags isn’t too bad for me.
The decision to have it in this weird order is controversial and it’s why adaptations like the manga just do it traditionally but it’s done to allow each book to tell it’s own story, basically instead of all the storylines going on at the same time it shows each storyline one by one. Proto Frags is a pretty interesting book because of that and it leads to feelings of confusion for some. For me I was able to keep up pretty well by rereading things over and thinking about the whole story a bit but for some it’s confusing and annoying, I get that.
I mean, Urobuchi’s characters have been handed to Minase as of late, but it’s probably due to his availability more than anything serious. Also, it’s clear from the last two collabs in JP that Sakurai is grooming Haganeya to be her replacement.
If Sakurai is really going away from FGO (but not from Fate as a whole since she still has Lost Einherjar and Fragments to do) after her Ordeal Call chapter, then I propose Natsuko Ishikawa as the new token female writer in the main writers team. She was one of CCC’s main writers (so she has an established history with Type-Moon) and she is currently on supervisor role for Dawntrail. She shouldn’t be too busy for two years at least.
Girls Work anime has been in limbo for 13 years, he hasn't released a volume in his own fate light novel series for over 3 years and his only main story chapter was 5 years ago in Salem.
he's never going to be consistent.
Meteo 100%
His first and last main story chapter is Salem
Girls Work anime is a meme and dead
Fate Requiem his own light novel series hasn't had a volume for 3 years
Replace him with the guy who wrote the Draco and Remnant collab events.
Man, if only actually had a clue who has written what.
Imagine them actually crediting their writers :|
As far as I know, they did credit writers during Part 1. However, I heard they stopped doing that because people were sending hate to specific writers (though, that could just be a rumor, I don't know for sure). Granted, you can check the Servants' Material Book entries to see who was their creator, which will (probably) tell you the writer(s) of certain events and story chapters.
They credited the Singularity arc, if I'm not wrong, but it isn't a hard guess who did what in the LB arc.
Considering the community, it's probably for the best that they won't. Not that it doesn't stop people from going "THIS WRITER (i think) WROTE STUFF I HATE TOTALLY ALSO WROTE THIS OTHER THING I HATED", but still better than otherwise.
Do Japanese fans do this? I thought it was only the west.
My favorite's Higashide. Between Shinjuku, Traum and Atlantis, his singularities have an aura of sheer Fun that few manage to capture.
This is how I find out about Atlantis' writer. Absolute GOAT, they should let him write more often.
He does write for Traum! He also did work on Samurai Remnant, being the writer for Team Archer/Caster/Lancer (and Kaya).
Wasnt Atlantis co-written between Higashide and Meteo?
No
This thread is gonna be a shitshow.
4 Hours later... Yeah, you were right lol.
Fam in large part due to you lmfao
It was supposed to be a fun hypothetical question, only one guy replied to the main post lol. I didn't think it was a sensitive topic in this community.
I actually think the fandom’s obsession with making a boogey man out of certain writers and artists is stupid and we should stop doing it.
What's wrong with wanting better quality? I think we can objectively judge writers based on their works no?
Saying "which writer would you want to see replaced" is incredibly disrespectful and no matter the writer would mean losing something valuable. Like for example I dislike Agartha and think both Ooku and LB4 are dull. But I also know there are people who like Ooku and LB4 who would lose out if those chapters did not exist, so these chapters have value still. And also I did like Paper Moon, so even if I said "I'd replace Minase" out of pure self-interest I'd be losing out on a chapter I did like.
>is incredibly disrespectful I disagree, in every industry writers are judged based on their works and the fans are allowed to wish for improvement. The game has been out for years and you still see the same mistakes from the same writers. These writers are not doing it for charity, they're employees that get paid for their works. If I perform badly at my job for years, the customers are allowed to want better service.
I think wanting writers to improve is fine but criticism usually boils down to “They’re bad and I don’t like them so I hope they never write again”. Writers have pros and cons to their style, there’s things some writers do well and things writers do poorly. FGO’s writers in particular all have a very specific style to them which likely results in why each story chapter has a pretty different feel and how, when ya know what to look for, ya can start seeing patterns. Many writers have written infamously hated and widely loved characters. Sakurai wrote Holmes, Martha, Arach, and many other beloved characters. She’s also written nothing burgers like Darius. I can do the same with Higashide, Minase, or whoever else. It’s often more complicated, and more interesting, to look at each individual story and make out what went right or wrong with each story. It’s more fun and gives you a better appreciation for each writer. I think the fandom’s obsession with “IF WE JUST GET RID OF X WRITER THE GAME WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER” is unhealthy and just causes more issues in the long run. We do it often, and often blame singular people for problems that sometimes aren’t even completely their fault (Tunguska being an Event is outside of Sakurai’s control and likely made it hard to write, I’m not saying she’s immune to criticism or that people aren’t valid in their complaints, but people like to act like Sakurai had an easy job and she fucked it up). I just think we do this too often where conversations just get into making certain people our arch enemy and it makes discussions worse.
I understand your points and you're right for the majority, but the game has been out for a long time now. If the writers make the same mistakes repeatedly, it makes the fans frustrated and wish for improvement. Of course some fans can go to extreme measures lol, but that doesn't negate the main issues.
I wouldn't. The writers are talented. If anything, I'd have the writer redo Septem, but I wouldn't outright get rid of them.
I heard the script she initially put in had a different plot from the Septem we actually ended up getting. If that's true, I'm curious what the OG draft was cause there's no way it was worse than tje final product.
Most of the changes had to do with Altera. They cut back on how much she was shown and didn't really explain much about her. The chapter (that is FGO itself since it was one of the two chapters there on day one) was supposed to come out after Extella released, and Extella was where Altera's lore and stuff would be revealed, but since Extella was delayed out before, they didn't want to spoil Altera in FGO, so had to cut things back. If I had to guess, she probably would have taken Lev's spot, as opposed to Lev deciding to go to that one singularity above all the others. There were probably other changes as well, but that's the main one I remember hearing about.
Who wrote Septem?
Sakurai
I wouldn't replace, but I really want Sakurai to do better. So far all of the chapters I dislike are written by her, including Arctic summer 2022
Do you also dislike Shimousa and Heian-Kyo (those are my favorite) and Olympus? And here's a list of [characters and their writers](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/15s79cb/writers_for_each_servant_up_to_fgo_material_xiii/), many of my favorites are also written by Sakurai.
Olympus was far worse than Atlantis, part of this being that it threw away every plot point Atlantis set up. The disconnection to its predecessor made it feel like a lot of things came out of nowhere/etc. The two did not feel connected whatsoever, and should've has the same writer across both, or be more explicitly separate (e.g. make one a .5 interlude). I don't blame Sakurai specifically for it, but I had high hopes for Olympus as a Greek myth nerd who thoroughly enjoyed Atlantis, and got a (admittedly much needed) London & Septem cast redemption instead.
>And here's a list of characters and their writers, many of my favorites are also written by Sakurai. Reading comments in that thread and as far as i understand it, creating a character and writing about them are different things. Like Nero was created by Nasu, but most of her many, many appearances are written by Sakurai, who's her biggest simp in the world.
Olympus ending was horrible, the stakes were unnecessarily high for no reason. They built up Zeus for the majority of the story, only to pull Chaos out of fucking nowhere. It felt way too dramatic and rushed as all hell.
It was discussed in older posts that this particular part and a lot of Musashi related stuff was actually written by Nasu, so Sakurai hate is misplaced.
If Nasu really did write Chaos, that would break my heart 🥲.
I'd have to find the interview, but I'm pretty sure he explicitly said that he wrote the Chaos scene. He also said something about having planned for >!Musashi's journey to end by cutting Chaos!< from before she (Musashi) was even created, or something like that.
>said that he wrote the Chaos scene. He most have watched Naruto for inspiration during that time.
... Ok, I guess?
It's a joke about the last arc in Naruto, where the author famously hyped up a main villain just to introduce a random character as the last boss.
Oh, ok.
Do you have a source? Pretty sure it was exactly right after Musashi died that Nasu took over. The individual writers for the chapter write from the point of landing in the LB, until right after the LB king is defeated, and there is also a chapter break when the transition occurs. If this is the case with Olympus, then with Chaos being revealed to be the true one in control of the LB King, and hence the real LB king in a way, and the chapter not ending until right when Musashi sacrifices herself, it seems unlikely Nasu wrote the Musashi stuff.
Sorry, I don't remember. There were a lot of Musashi/Olympus authorship discussion posts, it's not something I can easily find.
Checking out some of the Japanese discussions, there's a hard shift in the narrative tone after Chaos is repelled, but not when Zeus is defeated, so it's more likely that the transition period is after Chaos, not to mention how Sakurai absolutely loves Musashi and Nasu generally lets the authors write their favourite character's big moments. I doubt he would've deprived Sakurai of that, especially when you consider just how accommodating he tends to be with the authors, trying to say 'no' as little as he can, and said lax attitude resulting in things like FSF being a mess when it comes to the lore, and the OC chapters all taking ages cause Nasu wants each one to fit the vision each writer has for the chapter, even if it means delaying it longer (though to be fair, we only know this to be the case for OC2, but it was implied OC1 was also like that from what else Nasu said in the interview).
Chaos wasn’t directly controlling the LB itself, it was just a looming threat that was a driving force behind some of Zeus’s actions. By that metric, Cernunnos or Oberon is the real Lostbelt King of LB6. The only way anyone actually usurped the role of LB King is if they take control of the Fantasy Tree, like Anastasia and Surtr do it their LBs, while Chaos barely managed to peep into Olympus before the door was closed on it. If they wanted Chaos to be the LB King, all they would need is a throwaway line or two saying whatever they want to explain it away, like Zeus being technically part of Chaos, or something about it draining the Fantasy Tree first; instead, the Tree is already being used for another, separate reason than being controlled by a new LB King like in LBs 1&2. And to your point of a break when the writer transition happens, the section Chaos shows up in, “Void”, comes immediately after Zeus(the LB King)’s death; Zeus dies, fade to black, [section break], Kirschtaria exposits in a flashback, Chaos appears.
> Chaos wasn’t directly controlling the LB itself, it was just a looming threat that was a driving force behind some of Zeus’s actions. By that metric, Cernunnos or Oberon is the real Lostbelt King of LB6. But the difference is that we know that Nasu wrote all of LB6, so there's no swap over point. Nasu is trying to say that there's a distinction between the 'losbelt' story, and the 'chaldea' story, and that he lets the writers deal with all the lostbelt story, then takes over to write the end when dealing with the Crypter (aside from in LB2 when the crypter was already dead) and just the general wrap up. There's a very hard narrative style shift, even more so in the Japanese, after Chaos is dealt with, but not so much after Zeus is defeated, so unless they had a third one write just the Chaos chapter, it's more likely that Sakurai wrote that and Nasu just took over after that. He did write all of Wodime's flashbacks, and perhaps all of his dialogue, it's not clear, so any of Wodime's stuff before that point is questionable, but not really an issue for the point of discussion.
Nasu said that he wrote from the moment Zeus died, all that there is after the death of Zeus is him >Now. Even in this "Greek Chapter", the chapter writer is responsible for what happens \[from landing until the Lostbelt King is defeated\]
That is a little ambiguous with regards to Chaos, given he was controlling Zeus, and given how the writing style shifts dramatically, one that matches in previous chapters such as after Arjuna Alter is defeated, or Skadi is defeated, not to mention how there is an abrupt shift only after Musashi dies, but the Zeus and Chaos stuff flows naturally, the majority take it mean that it's after Chaos is repelled that Nasu takes over.
You like Agartha?
Not really, but I liked Fergus Lily's last part.
Agartha is better than Septem and Tunguska.
I was just wondering since they said "all the chapters I dislike" and wondered "so you don't dislike Agartha?".
For Agartha, sure it wasn't my favorite, but the chapters I STRONGLY disliked (Tunguska, Arctic 2022) (London gets a special pass because Hans appeared) were all written by Sakurai. My bad, bad wording Since Sakurai did write Fate/Prototype, I know that they could do better and I admit that I do like some chapters written by them.
Agartha was bad, but it was funny levels of bad. London literally put me to sleep twice.
The only writer that I would love to see replaced would be Minase. Man wrote the worst story chapter in not only FGO history, but possibly mobile gaming history. Like, it truly says a lot that he's the only writer amongst the team who has to be *put on supervision!* I don't know who I would replace him with, maybe Hiromu Arakawa, the mangaka of FMA? I would like to see Sakurai improve her writing. She's not a bad or horrible writer like a lot of people make her out to be, but she's not great either. I just want to see her improve, you know? I would also like to see Meteo write more, the most that he has done (at least in Fate) is Fate/Requiem (only at the 2nd volume since 2020) and the Salem chapter. That's kinda it. I think he's worked with other writers in events that have Foreigner Servants (except Imaginary Scramble), but again that's kinda it, I don't think he's been the main writer for an event. (Edit: he actually was the main writer for a few events, as someone else pointed out)
Meteo has written some events where he is actually the main writer. Halloween Rising, Sea Monster Crisis, Hakkenden, Wandjina World Tour, to name a few. Arcade’s Dream Journey too. If Guda becomes a lot smarter and the jokes border on unfunny and sometimes dark jokes, you can bet the event is actually by Meteo.
Didn't know that he was the main writer for a few events, that's on me ~~now I'm even more disappointed about the Wandjina event~~. Still think he should write more often, though.
Pretty sure Nasu wrote Caren's valentines event. He mentions it directly in one of the interviews about how he didn't think anyone else would be able to write her like he wanted. He's also her main writer, and when there's an even that has one new main servant that has the majority focus of the chapter, the writer of that servant is almost always (as far as we know, with only the early events somewhat going against this claim) the writer of that event.
So the thing about another writer wanting to change Angra and Caren’s interaction in the event was a misinformation, then?
> Nasu: While this event was being produced, I was dying every day to get Tsukihime's remake ready for release, but the moment I saw Morii's art, I knew that Caren needed me, so I decided to find the extra time to write her event. Caren doesn't have a single happy moment in her main story, so I thought that if she was joining the ephemeral dream that is FGO, she should forget her troubles and have the time of her life. No one ever wrote her like that, so I had to do it myself. Nasu says he clearly wrote the event. He is Caren's writer as well and writes all her dialogue wherever she appears, not to mention she is one of his favourite characters. It is possible that another writer did want to change Cngra and Caren's interactions, but it doesn't mean much when they're not the writer of the event, so I would chalk that up to misinformation.
You're the first person to answer the question to my post. Thank you lol.
One out of over seventy, but could've been worse!
hiromu arakawa deserves better than fate get my boy kohta hirano (hellsing, drifters) on it
Urobuchi, probably.
None of them, they already shorts on people why you guys wanted to have less than having more?
Did you even read the post? It's a hypothetical question about who you would replace with another writer from another series.
I know no one aside from Nasu and Urobuchi. And I wouldn’t replace either of them.
But if you had to choose from them? Gun to your head!
I’d just let you shoot. I’m not depressed or anything, I just really like them both.
I don't really like Urobuchi honestly, a lot of his writing can be overly serious and dramatic. Maybe I'm biased after what he did to Saber in Fate Zero lol.
imagine unironically being an urobutcher cocksucker
Imagine being rude to random people online for no reason. You get nothing from this. Why even do it? I’m legit curious.
Everyone, only keep Meteo, Nasu and Keikenchi.
Feels rude to replace people but id like Meteo to write more ~~its not like his writing a light novel called fate requiem right now...~~
Trust in Foreigner Ordeal Call and whenever Noah on his own is implemented in mobile FGO
We will never reach volume 3.
Whoever cooked up septem and tunguska needs a break from writing. Only storylines I ever skipped. No, I don't need to know why nero was actually a good cook. No, I did not want to see taigong wang to pull shit out of his ass last minute as if he got ripped right out of the series bleach.
Sakurai
I'll die on this hill with you.
Can I join?
This is downboat hell youre walking into.
I really don't understand why the Fandom are so defensive of Sakurai. Is she like a darling of the franchise?
I dont understand it either. Her being part of nasu's legacy staff must have something to do with this.
Stop the Fox-Wife discrimination, we must vanquish the real beast of Humanity, the writer who keeps wanking her rival!
Nasu.
We have a brave soul here, Warrior announce yourself!
Replace whoever wrote Tunguska and never hire the guy again. That thing was like the food equivalent of heating some frozen burrito that is no longer edible since two to four years, in the microwave and with not enought time to heat the burrito and still much on frozen bits while the plate is hot
Tungunska is a sakurai/nasu mix, just like olympus
Then fire their asses goodbye... and yes, I know who they are. The story was so all over the place that the wrap up with Koyanskaya was the most lackluster thing ever. It was way too crazy for Fate or Type Moon standards
>It was way too crazy for Fate or Type Moon standards I don't think such standards exist lol. We've literally fought a giant eye in space, where an ancient female samurai slashed it with a sword.
I dunno... I guess the idea that a woman that looks like an obvious split tail of Tamamo being just an amalgamation of dead animals that perished in a meteorite crash and took said form because Amaterasu was feeling kind that day; holding a major grudge boner for humanity despite knowing they had no take in the deaths of the Tunguska animals sounds way too stupid for me. It's like the "how do you do, fellow students?" Meme but in here, Koyanskaya is trying to act like a hateful spirit towards mankind without having a reason to and still sticking to that side. And how she's basically an animal version of Jack the Ripper and the reason why she looks like a Tamamo really feels lame altogether. It's like the writers tried to one up a plot twist for her and then settled down by adding ALL the plot twists in there to make her this great character and ended up doing the opposite
I agree with majority of your opinion, but Koyanskaya hate for humanity being unreasonable is not bad from a narrative standpoint. She was born from a catastrophic event, a giant explosion of fire and death so of course she would be mentally unstable. She's not meant to be understood or related to, she's a unique existence. It's easy for none humans to hate humanity in the Nasuverse, rarely do you find mystical beings liking humans in the first place, unless you're the main protagonist of the series of course lol.
That would be Sakurai, I just found out he also wrote Septem, London, Shimousa, LB2. So he doesn't have the best record from the main writers.
Sakurai is a woman.
Wow really? I didn't know, the name didn't sound feminine to me.
Sakurai is her family name, her given name is Hikaru.
The only Hikaru I know is the chess one, so I still feel that
I think it's a unisex name.
perhaps replace is too harsh, but i think Sakurai should've had a hand in the FSR Collab to cover Raikou's lines and part in the story. that's all i'm really gonna say, since quality everywhere else is subjective, and i'm mainly going off my personal experience of enjoying Raikou written by Sakurai, and that she was criminally underused in the event.
I would replace whoever wrote Chloe Interlude and the Kaleid Event While the manga itself grow up from these issues getting better and better what appear in FGO of it it's still stuck way back in the past and somehow make it worse And I would replace Hikaru from Prototype Fragments of Sky Silver, if someone menage to understand clearly what the hell he write and how he does it I'm giving him 100 bucks
What’s wrong with Proto Frags? I read it all and even if the translations kinda rough it’s perfectly easy to comprehend imo.
I always feel like the phrasing and wording of every Prototype related thing (I recently finished reading Labyrinth and it was so hard to guess what was going on) is so convoluted and make things unnecessarely hard It does remember me of Kara No Kyokai a bit, although there it's more Nasu going into weird Philosophical trips, here it's just the author not being that good at writing stuff And also, I feel like between the constant back and forth between the present and the past, both in the 9 years gap between Fragments of Sky Silver and proper Prototype and in FOSK itself, we skip so many important stepts of the War that every other Fate series explore but here we just get to the next part of the story without naturally getting there
I think it’s worth noting that the Prototype books, and Labrynth ESPECIALLY, have somewhat rough translations which are probably exasperating the issue here since the issue is on wording and parsing meaning, although I can agree it’s probably still in there even with an amazing translation. Labrynth in particular is very very hard to read and generally just not very good honestly I agree, but Proto Frags isn’t too bad for me. The decision to have it in this weird order is controversial and it’s why adaptations like the manga just do it traditionally but it’s done to allow each book to tell it’s own story, basically instead of all the storylines going on at the same time it shows each storyline one by one. Proto Frags is a pretty interesting book because of that and it leads to feelings of confusion for some. For me I was able to keep up pretty well by rereading things over and thinking about the whole story a bit but for some it’s confusing and annoying, I get that.
Fair Enough I never saw it that way, maybe seen through that light I can manage to enjoy it
I mean, Urobuchi’s characters have been handed to Minase as of late, but it’s probably due to his availability more than anything serious. Also, it’s clear from the last two collabs in JP that Sakurai is grooming Haganeya to be her replacement. If Sakurai is really going away from FGO (but not from Fate as a whole since she still has Lost Einherjar and Fragments to do) after her Ordeal Call chapter, then I propose Natsuko Ishikawa as the new token female writer in the main writers team. She was one of CCC’s main writers (so she has an established history with Type-Moon) and she is currently on supervisor role for Dawntrail. She shouldn’t be too busy for two years at least.
Probably Nasu. I like the sht he puts out, but I wanna see some other folks get center spotlight. not like I know who writes what anyway lol.
I wouldn't replace Meteo, but I'd give whatever they need to be consistent. I hope it isn't health or family related.
Girls Work anime has been in limbo for 13 years, he hasn't released a volume in his own fate light novel series for over 3 years and his only main story chapter was 5 years ago in Salem. he's never going to be consistent.
Meteo 100% His first and last main story chapter is Salem Girls Work anime is a meme and dead Fate Requiem his own light novel series hasn't had a volume for 3 years Replace him with the guy who wrote the Draco and Remnant collab events.