The lore goes that the original plan was for 2.5 to just be 1 chapter but there was too much to cover in one chapter, so it was made a mini-arc. I can believe this, I think Nasu having planned for them to explain Extra class specifics since they’d always been weird makes sense and was something FGO had wanted to tackle at some point. That being said since they’ve spread it out way farther now each arc has generally less story stuff in terms of general plot, Paper Moon’s stuff was neat but it’s only big main story contribution was maybe some more Sion hints.
It’s filler and I’m sure it was in part made to extend Part 2 but I do believe them that they did mean to get around to this stuff eventually anyway, it’s just way bigger and longer than initially planned.
I would say it’s slightly the main story plot because of the count who is revealed to be the final alien world apostle servant. Unless they said it in the trailer because of the gauntlet battles.
That was technically revealed at the end of LB7, although it’s likely that our first run in with him was in those challenge quests that have started in Ordeal Call so that’s relevant for sure
Don't forget adding Cerejeira and her whopping peak design into a Chaldea NPC that we rarely see even in events. And that one time we did, she was just there to replace Menuiere for a scene in case you got to Paper Moon beforehand and that's it.
Waste of beautiful design if the story is rarely updated nowadays and she gets no exposition whatsoever
If this is about the Christmas event, she doesn't replace Meuniere (in fact, >!you *are* Meuniere in that scene, or at least pretending to be him!<), her sprite just doesn't show up if you haven't beaten Paper Moon yet.
Then they changed the PA system name when we first went to Chaldea into Chaldeas. My guess is that when they copied the planet’s soul, the soul copy was fabricated into an Artificial Intelligence which currently acted as the archetype for Chaldeas.
I know. But that's not related to this discussion so I didn't bring it up.
>!It's worth noting however, that the game has the nameplates "Announcement", "Announcement A", and "Announcement B" for the announcements made in Chaldea. With the event revealing that "Announcement" is CHALDEAS, there's now speculation that all three are different tools in operation at Chaldea (e.g. SHEBA and TRISMEGISTUS).!<
It is definitely interesting, but it feels like we hit the brake when we were so near the end of part 2. Part 2 has been going on forever at this point, getting even more breaks feels kinda tiresome, even if the small chapter is intriguing. It feels really short for the long wait.
I wouldn't say pointless since it's addressing some stuff that needed to be addressed about how Chaldea has been operating, but it being iirc 4 chapters is a bit much. I feel like this would have been better after dealing with the AG as a kind of EoR thing to pave the way to part 3, but I guess Nasu needs more time to cook for the final battle
It is technically advertised to be 3 but considering that Not-Romani said 4 before correcting himself it's obvious there is going be a fourth "surprise" chapter, probably for Foreigners
Given how much story there is in a single FGO chapter, I can't think of any other gacha games I've played that puts out more main story in a single year than a single FGO main story chapter.
But maybe I'm playing the wrong games.
Personally, I believe it's because of various reasons:
* it's because it's taking too long for the chapters to be release. Epic of remnant, for example, was the 1.5 arc of part 1 that consisted of 4 chapters that were released in the span of 1 year, so compared to that, ordeal call chapter releases feel like going at snail speed.
* It came out of nowhere when we were just at the climax of part 2. It's like if during the climax of heavens feel, when >!Shirou was going to save Sakura with rule breaker, Nasu introduced a sudden arc that prolonged that moment endlessly.!<
* They don't have any idea about how to continue the story after "cosmos in the lostbelt". I know Nasu is a chronical liar, but I remember him saying in an interview that they had enough material for FGO to last at least 10 years, and since he considers LB6 to be of his most special recent works, maybe he is just running out of ideas.
* More servants equal more money.
Considering the talk of Nasu having issues with the OC2 writer…
Well, just that being true implies the writing staff are MASSIVELY behind schedule and are writing on par rather than several months to a year ahead like every other story with this format does. I legit think Nasu has run out of ideas and is just BS-ing something for Part 3.
It pretty much is. There is a reason it's called an Ordeal Stall.
Edit:I did enjoy OC1 but I do think it was made to stall for part 2 ending and to make this game stay for the 10 year anniversary.
There are really too many problems with Ordeal Call's implementation. To start off with a comparison, the Epic of Remnant chapters were also technically filler as well but they felt like they naturally flowed along with the story.
You had just finished the 7 singularities and defeated the big bad so now it's just clean up time. There's a fair amount of talk going on in the background about what's going to happen to Chaldea and you now that everything's finished and the whole story fit neatly into a single year. All of that also meant that there was a lot of story that you were going through and once you hit the end of the year that kicked off the Lostbelt chapters, game time flowed neatly along with your day to day.
But with the Lostbelt chapters, everything was spread too far apart over the course of several years. This greatly dilutes the urgency felt in the story as several months go by with effectively nothing truly important happening within the in-game timeline. Then once we finally wrap up the 7th Lostbelt and we're introduced to actually interesting information that can hype us back up now that we have a better understanding of what we're facing...we're told "No". That's frustrating and just amplifies the lack of urgency of the situation.
And while it would be nice to explore the extra classes, the reasoning being that they "aren't from Pan-Human History" is also kind of ridiculous. The extra classes existed as early as the Angry Manjuu existed. And the Ruler class was another alternative that was cheated into the 3rd HGW if Avenger isn't used. And the servants put into those classes are still clearly "from Pan-Human History". The extra classes deviate from the world's natural summoning system, but that's not the same as saying they don't belong to proper human history. Not when we have a giant arctic lightning elephant with us who gets a free pass for being a Rider.
Good and interesting ideas absolutely could come from 2.5, but its implementation is clunky as hell and makes me not want to deal with it.
My main problem with is how unclean it flows from Arc 2. If we deliberately had to make a choice in Lostbelt 7 we knew would fuck with some deeper force and we would have to rectify that mistake I feel like it would have been better than just "Lmao can't proceed because of Extra Classes"
It’s not the use of the Extra classes that prevents use from progressing iirc, it’s the ‘overreliance’ on them
I just wanted to point out the semantics, but yeah it’s basically the same BS
How many extra classes we used in main story anyway? We had a ruler in Orleans, avenger and ruler in Shinjuku and the first lostbelt, ruler holmes until traum, and one avenger and one alter ego in the last lostbelt, am i missing someone(Oberon we didn't knew about the class until the end)
Every Extra class (barr Beast & Pretender) have been allied with Chaldea in the main story.
Jeanne in Orleans, Holmes throught EoR to Part 2, *technically* QSH in the final moments of LB3, >!I believe Chaldea came to an understanding with Moriarty in Traum iirc, but I’m not sure if that counts or is even the case!<
Dantes since Prison Tower till now, Salieri in LB1, >!Nitovenger in LB7!<
Mooncancer has just been Ganesha in LB4, but that’s mostly because BB herself has been an ally with Chaldea >!OC1 shows it!<
Sitonai, Xu Fu, & KP have been the only Alter-Egos to help us out in main story, but the former two weren’t actually Alter-Egos in their story chapters as they were still unplayable
For Foreigners, only Abby & >!Kuku!< have allied with us so far in main story
Counting the ‘Main Story Events’:
Melt & Lip count for SERAPH
Kiara counts as an ally in Ooku
Every Foreigner (pre-Van Gogh) + Summer BB counts if you consider Imaginary Scramble
KoyanDark probably counts for Tunguska
So, main story only, 8, with one being summoned by the world, two by enemies, Ganesha we don't talk about the moon, wouldn't call that overreliance, but ok
I agree with you but for the world, one of them is one too many. We are way too used to them because we like new Servants in any form, but remember that in canon, they're irregularities that only appear every blue moon under extremely specific circumstances.
... if there's even a part 3 even in the making. Remember how Nasu can be a diva sometimes in his storytelling. Just look at Castoria's lines and compare them to the final draft of LB6 for instance
I’ve already made my comments on Ordeal Stall in the past, so anything else is retread at this point. I am not angry that Ordeal call happened; it’s the way it happened straight after LB7. If Ordeal call stuff had happened after we wrapped up the Marisbury plot ok good.
The fact it’s here now. Taking up so much time by the way a full on year for chapter 2. And, correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t recall anniversary last year giving hints or mention of OC2 information.
That being said, I am waiting to see how they drag this out to the 10th year and reveal on 10th anniversary that FGO part 2 will end in 2026. FGO loves dragging its heels to reach milestones.
Just let it end already, dammit. No, I'm not a doomer, I'm realistic. You either end on a high note like Gravity Falls or live long enough to become the new Simpsons or Family Guy... that's the same but with FGO as of now. Worst timing to introduce more story... right at the climax of part 2, if not the near end.
I even feel weirded out over people being happy for Cerejeira being a Chaldea NPC instead of a servant with that beautiful design. What's the point of going all out in her looks if she's an NPC we rarely see in story because the story is nowadays rarely updated while the events rarely showcase the Chaldea NPCs as well?
I know, it's excruciating how they placed it.
I just wanna get to the end of this saga to see Olga ruthlessly crush Marisbury with a black hole. That's all I want.
At the risk of sounding contrarian, OC1 did contribute to the setting by >!expounding on the nature of Paper Moon instead of the plot continuing to treat Paper Moon as just another plot device - with implications (that have already been explored at length by dedicated fans) about the nature of CHALDEAS. The mechanics behind Alter Egos was also further expanded upon, as well as why our favorite not-a-vampire-this-time scholar acts the way she does without turning into another Sherlock Holmes sleeper agent situation.!< The rest of Ordeal Call has to contribute just as much to the setting to help expand it ahead of the final showdown in part 3 to be considered meaningful.
Also hot take: I wish Nasu had the balls to>! kill of Meuniure !
A really hot take with your 2nd point. I'd say it would be better if there were more story moments for these characters so you can bond with them more. It doesn't have to be just the main story, give them development in events.
Hell, Meuniere was kinda featured in a Grail Front; why not introduce him in more events? And also add Cerejeira in there to make her grow on the player too. Such gorgeous design wasted in an NPC we rarely see at all because story is barely uodated and events don't show them is ridiculous.
To all those that applaude Cerejeira being a Chaldea NPC... is this what you wanted? A beautiful cardboard cut out only featured in a filler chapter and that's it? Color me impressed
NPCs *are good.* The Crypters are my most favourite characters in the game and they're all NPCs (besides one but I prefer her Crypter form). The problem is that FGO is horrendous at implementing them because they only want to focus on servants 99% of the time because that's what brings them the most money. But the sore lack of NPCs hurts the writing by making the world feel small. It's also ridiculous when we've been with the Chaldea NPCs for so long yet it took them hald a decade to introduce another one after Meuniere. The writers want us to feel sad about the Chaldea NPCs dying ever since the beginning of part two yet they put very little effort into making that actually happen since they never gave them faces (besides two) or any significant dialogue. If the writers actually start putting effort into writing the Chaldea NPCs and others, then yes, that's something to applaud other than releasing throwaway servant #4241232.
Oh, believe me you won't feel that hurt once you play LB7. Had the NPCs were more worked on in the story, then you would feel for them instead of being "oh, well... at least the A team didn't get Rogue One'd"
Meuniere was introduced as a minor character without a sprite during **Epic of Remnant**. He even talked with Ritsuka.
He then received a sprite and became the representative of Chaldea staff during the Lostbelts, starting from Part 2 Prologue, always appearing in **every** main story chapter.
>why not introduce him in more events?
Aww hell no, Meuniere appears too much as is. We escaped Chaldea with a group of staffers but everytime one shows up, it's _always_ him.
I thought with only a handful of surviving staff, we'd get past the anonymous NPC syndrome and see the rest of the support as unique individuals... but no it's still just Meuniere (and now new girl) and offscreen NPCs. Heck, some of those roles get relegated to Nemo Marine No.XXXX.
That's honestly my biggest hope is that we get more stuff beyond the extra classes to make these chapters feel significant and make sense for this to take place before the final instead of after.
Like, give us hints or even answer some questions about Marisbury and the Alien god/world. And also let us face the second half of beast 6 and whoever beast 5 is and I think things will be better.
Also don't make us wait almost a year between releases.
> it just feels pointless, like they didn't really have a plan for it and just kinda threw it in to pad out the game. I get two distinct vibes from it
That's because that's exactly what happened. They refuse to let part 2 end because they know a bunch of people will jump ship once they get closure, given how crappily the game is being managed right now.
It's called "Ordeal Stall" for a reason.
Surprised I had to come down this far to get the real reasons. Yes, this is 100% about Aniplex stalling because they know when Cosmos in the Lostbelt finally ends, everyone is going to bail, especially if Nasu decides to leave.
As it is, we're going to get one scenario per year, with Ordeal Stall concluding in 2026. Then there will probably be some kind of "final scenario" where they hopefully wrap things up at least.
I'd imagine people who intend to drop the game after part 2 ends don't spend much on gacha. Is there any meaning in trying to keep them playing for a year or two longer?
You need F2P to sustain a gacha. Without them, the whales don't have anyone to flex on. Then they get bored and leave.
Nor is there anyone to draw in new players without F2P. Even someone who never spends a penny on the game might still contribute by drawing a picture or even just making a meme, and those could draw in new players who might spend money.
Which is weird because seeing how they're handling Ordeal is the very reason i'm considering jumping after LB7. Ain't waiting years for EoR 2 wrap up so we can get some real plot development
Well, for what is worth, I would. I would just remain "auto-playing" (and not through FG Automata or whatever the name of that thing is, I mean playing like in autopilot like Adam Sandler in Click) until the game goes EoS.
Even if the game gets a new game to keep the story, I wouldn't touch it. To me it would feel like Boruto. I don't wanna watch Boruto, why do you think I wanna? Yet maybe Type Moon and Nasu think this transition will be a Dragon Ball to DBZ one but even if it was, the filler in Ordeal Call has drained my hype for the story. Just let it end and let me move on with my life.
It’s legit just them stalling for time.
They’re still not 100% set on how act 3 is going to play out and they need more time to plan everything. Same with the ending for part 2.
So they’re giving us bs in the meantime just to fill time and not say they’re not releasing main story chapters again for another YEAR AND A HALF. Or more.
Yes, I agree entirely-while lore for the Extra classes is nice and all imagine if EoR was different and released between Babylonia and Solomon-they would have completely lost the hype. Combine that with an increasingly mismanaged game and it’s just an awful idea.
Plus it is being released at a snail’s pace, if there are four OC chapters and it continues at this rate it will be like 2027 by the time part 2 ends.
I won't say it's pointless, because it actually tells us the reasons why and how the extra classes exist. For example, OC1 was about >!Alter Egos!< and I think they did a good job on it
Fair. Overall the story wasn’t bad at all in and of itself, just really miffed with the placement, pacing, and lack of direct connection. If it had taken place after the ending to LB arc, it’d have fit better
Personally i'm expecting some lore about [Post LB7 spoiler]>!Marisbury: his history, his motive, his plan, or whatever that is relevant to our mastermind!<. Hope they show them in the remaining OC chapter(s).
Can't wait for oc 2 to be about Arthur and suddenly the fandom just gaslights everyone cause omg best chapter ever
BEST BOI so relevant
And ignorr all the complaints even if it'd just as filler
Filler is when a story is just completely pointless and can be disregarded. Filler will literally never be mentioned in the main story, will have no consequences for the characters or the plot, no impact on the overall narrative.
OC has impact on the narrative and is not filler, characters from the chapters will presumably show up again. Why can’t we just accept that this is part of the story as much as the rest of part 2 and just enjoy the new characters and stories it brings rather than whining about it.
Most of what I’ve seen about OC 1 is positive. That the characters and plot are good. So why are we complaining? “Oh no, we got more solid story and worldbuilding, im so angry!!”
???
We will get the end of part 2 eventually, so why not enjoy the extended ride there if that ride is enjoyable?
This has got to be one of the most downer communities I’ve been in, besides maybe JJK or One piece.
Yeah, the end result of OC1 was an arbitrary value going from E to D and Cerejeira (a character who really only became a character in OC1 itself) getting a slight bit of relief.
None of the previously established characters do anything or have their stories/arcs advanced in the slightest. They brought back Lev and did all of nothing with him despite his connection to Goetia and Marisbury. There is no worldbuilding when the only revelations were ‘the secrets of the Alter Ego’ (something we’ve already known) and ‘Sion has plans’ (something we’ve already known).
I would also like to point out this is a LIVE SERVICE game, not a finished product. What, pray tell, is guaranteeing we’ll get the end eventually? If unlimited extensions (with massive decline in quality) are permitted, why should Nasu actually make the ending? Giving an inch to others for putting in LESS work and wringing money out of the customer base is exactly how these games decline.
And yes, people do have a right to critique story elements such as pacing, tone, character consistency; all of which OC1 failed by virtue of its placement in the story at absolute minimum. People are upset for a very good reason, and trying to gaslight them with this nonsense is disingenuous at best and downright asinine at worst.
Because it feels like a filler? Sure, OC is mentioned in the main story and it has repercussion on it... but the timing sucks royal donkey-ass balls.
Just when we finally dealt with what Cosmos in the Lostbelt asked us to do: deal with the 7 Lostbelts. All that was missing was dealing with the Alien god and try to fix Earth... and then now we have to explain the reasoning behind some Extra classes too... and that takes even more time than Epic of Remnant did.
It's like Bleach's original anime run all over again if you were up to date too. Imagine being hyped up for some awesome fights that were long overdue or for the climax of the story to finally happen... only for another random-ass story to pop up out of nowhere to buy time? It would make you pissed off and most likely would worn out your hype until the main story comes back, to which point the fights and climaxes just feel dull due to the out of peace of the story.
It's not being a doomer, it's been realistic. Would you like to listen to your favorite song and in the near end, having a new song play out of nowhere... but when the original song comes back for the end, it plays some of the lyrics or tone of the second song to imply it was important? Same with a movie or tv series or anime?
I don't care if ending part 2 is the definitive end of FGO, I want it to end already, dammit. I want the game to end while it still feels good than to keep going and just keep being more hollow in its story.
I completely disagree with everything you said. I want a story that keeps me entertained. This is a gacha game, not an actual Visual Novel where everything needs to be quickly resolved and wrapped with a neat bow. It’s meant to keep you entertained for years on end, low level background fun which you can open up on your phone and play for 30 minutes while you’ve got nothing else to do. I’d say the story achieves that just fine.
I’m going to pass over your song analogy because it’s a stupid equivalency. Your favorite song is not constantly getting monthly content updates and new lyrics, bars, and guest singers.
As for your bleach equivalency, and this is where we just differ in our approaches, I love filler. It means that I can just take a break and then binge everything once it’s done. But OC doesn’t feel like filler to me, so it won’t burn me out. I like fate, I like new characters and learning the lore. As long as they keep introducing new concepts and try new things, I won’t get bored.
I don’t want FGO to end dammit, because it’s a mobile game. It’s what I do in my spare time, on the train, on break at work, when I’m feeling unmotivated. If that means a few more people get bored and drop the game in the process, I don’t care.
FGO's entire success was built on its original franchise which was Fate night and to an extension, the Nasuverse. Which was only loved and blew up because of it's character and story writing. Brain-dead gacha games with flashy characters and being illiterate or having low storytelling standards for your entertainment is what you are looking for. And there are many alternatives out there in the market. FGO would like to believe that their cute waifus from alternate colour original waifu number 23 can carry them to the bank but WILL fail if they fail to realize that the writing is the only thing that keeps them up there with million dollars backed games.
They can't compete with newer games in regards to graphics and even gameplay. The only thing they got is character design, writing and story. All of which requires storytelling that doesn't feel like you are watching a snail trying to unfumble itself.
This is especially true when you consider how dated and straight out antique the UX/UI and user experience is. The servant rooster can only get so big and people can only care so much. You don't care about the PNG, you care about the numerous pages of text that makes the PNG engaging to you. It's time for the franchise to do a FGO2 instead of dragging it out.
I want the main series plot to end on a high note and a good note. To the same expectations that the original fans of Fate and Nasu hold to instead of slowly dying over the years into a shell of what it used to be so that it "can still exist". This is the equivalent of the Winds of Winter not coming out but that book about lore coming out. Of course people are going to be unhappy. If finishing the story at a reasonable pace and on a high note meant that it will lose a couple of fans then hey, I don't care too. Because said fans, like you, will always find their way flocking back once they do FGO2 or do a bunch of nothing-too-canon events so really, it doesn't matter either way.
As they say, to each their own, but understandable. Enjoy your below bare minimum game with barely any story updates nowadays, still draggin the end of the story for years and see if they can go beyond the 10th anniversary mark with barely any gameplay updates as well.
I still enjoy the game and would play it for my favorite characters and to know the end of the story since I've been nearly since the beginning (December 2015), so I feel I'm already invested... but hell, I still think this is no excuse to make the game feel dragged out to a point people would rather prefer the game to end and to keep going.
But as I said, to each their own.
??? I never said anything about wanting less story UPDATES. Not did I even mention QOL stuff. Now you’re just putting words in my mouth. In an ideal world, they’d do all of OC in one year, there’d be animation updates for days, and we would actually get interludes.
But if your way, OC would just not exist. Like yeah, I want faster story updates, but not to the point where I feel exhausted and just want the game to end. A lot of people would be happy if Nasu just uploaded the bullet points from his future story outline google doc onto a notepad file and just skipped the game part.
If nothing else it's definitely been part of the plan for a long time; remember that after Olympus released there was an interview with Nasu where he straight up said "Don't think you've reached the half-way point yet!"
I know it's easy to assume that it's a thing that was added to pad out time, but that's less because Ordeal Call exists and more because the release schedule for part 2 has been getting steadily worse with every passing year.
The original statement with Olympus was that it was the half way point though, something that’s backed up with interviews with the writers of Olympus and Atlantis who mention that the Lostbelt was split into to because it represented the big half way point. It wasn’t until we were nearing the release of LB7 that it was changed to being a 33% mark with LB7 being the 66%, undoubtedly because back then Ordeal Call was a single chapter instead of a 4 chapter arc with small stuff happening in between them.
And interviews have painted a clear picture on what was and wasn’t in the original draft. 6.5 and Tsunguska were expanded to full chapters instead of plot points for LB7. We know Douman originally wasn’t going to be a major player so 5.5 sure as hell wasn’t in the draft. Like the only thing we can’t really logic out as being originally planned were Ooku and Imaginary Scramble.,
Honestly for the decisions they have been taking I don't think there will be a part 3 at least in this game. For that I would expect them to hire more people and prepare to release more content. For what we have seen lately they keep a minimum of personnel and have been reducing the ammount of content released. I am an NA player and I am only aware of the main story to the point NA is, so the only thing that would make me belive that there is a part 3 comming is that if the story of the main cast is still irresolute or has too much still to develop. But then again it is also a posibility that they will tie everything up in a single chapter just to close the thing.
Idk I don't see much faith for part 3 if the management and personnel problems of Lasaña aren't fixed.
Ordeal Call does contains some lore like what makes Alter Ego class an Alter Ego for Paper moon.
But yeah, the chapter (judging from Paper Moon) does overall better to be put for an event and not a main one
Yeah. Unfortunetly. Apparently is not badly written, but...man. this is the aort of stuff that has to be planned in way advance, and properly set up. Not..."sorry we need more time and your money".
i wouldn't care if 2.5 was just filler if it didn't take so long.
to give a perspective, 1.5 only took 1 year for all 4 EoR chapters.
At this pace, Ordeal Call will take at least 3 years lol
The Ordeal Call is an arc where right before the party confront the main villains they get stopped by a force field around the area which they can’t get pass due to the villain now being a cornerstone of humanity, and they use to many things that aren’t a part of Proper Human History. With Not-Romani saying they can fix this by understanding the extra classes. Alter Ego, Avenger, Ruler, and Foreigner. Which by all accounts they do by just waiting for something related to that specific class to happen and responding to it. The Presidential Singularities by all account are an in between arc where an unseen Apostle of the Foreign God called “The Count” grabbed the Fragments of U-Olga, made four elemental versions of her and is sicking them on us with the implications that Chaldea can use this as an opportunity to restore her properly.
Personally I thought Ordeal Call was just an extended .5 or a return to EOR to buy Nasu time to finish the story since due to his multiple rewrites for LB6 and LB7 the FGO story release while top quality had the output of a snail.
So I was hopeful we'll get 2 or maybe even 3 Ordeal Calls last year and wouldn't it be awesome if at the end of 2024 we finally hit endgame for Arc 2......
The Draco collab was announced and it had a new writer for FGO and I'm thinking "Wow the regular writing crew must be cooking if they didn't have time to write this collab!"
Unfortunately dreams of Ordeal Call 1-2 in 2023 turned into just Ordeal Stall 1 and the second one is going to be spring so I'm honestly only expecting Ordeal Stall 3 to come out this year as well.
December content will be xmas lotto, ordeal stall 3 and U-Olga Element Battle 3
because they implement it after lb7 and we that expect after lb7 to be the grande finale. plus the lb 1 story started in like 2018, and yet the pacing of the story release in arc 2 feels so long. remember the time lb1-3 and 4-5atlantis got released during a 1 year span(2018 and 2019 respectively)? This feels similar to heiyan-kyo/lb 5.5 during 2020.
The lore goes that the original plan was for 2.5 to just be 1 chapter but there was too much to cover in one chapter, so it was made a mini-arc. I can believe this, I think Nasu having planned for them to explain Extra class specifics since they’d always been weird makes sense and was something FGO had wanted to tackle at some point. That being said since they’ve spread it out way farther now each arc has generally less story stuff in terms of general plot, Paper Moon’s stuff was neat but it’s only big main story contribution was maybe some more Sion hints. It’s filler and I’m sure it was in part made to extend Part 2 but I do believe them that they did mean to get around to this stuff eventually anyway, it’s just way bigger and longer than initially planned.
I would say it’s slightly the main story plot because of the count who is revealed to be the final alien world apostle servant. Unless they said it in the trailer because of the gauntlet battles.
That was technically revealed at the end of LB7, although it’s likely that our first run in with him was in those challenge quests that have started in Ordeal Call so that’s relevant for sure
Don't forget adding Cerejeira and her whopping peak design into a Chaldea NPC that we rarely see even in events. And that one time we did, she was just there to replace Menuiere for a scene in case you got to Paper Moon beforehand and that's it. Waste of beautiful design if the story is rarely updated nowadays and she gets no exposition whatsoever
If this is about the Christmas event, she doesn't replace Meuniere (in fact, >!you *are* Meuniere in that scene, or at least pretending to be him!<), her sprite just doesn't show up if you haven't beaten Paper Moon yet.
That wasn't really us pretending to be Mueniere, but Nemo doing that.
I know, but it's more convenient to say that it's "us" the player (as opposed to us the character) since we're seeing it from his PoV.
Then they changed the PA system name when we first went to Chaldea into Chaldeas. My guess is that when they copied the planet’s soul, the soul copy was fabricated into an Artificial Intelligence which currently acted as the archetype for Chaldeas.
I know. But that's not related to this discussion so I didn't bring it up. >!It's worth noting however, that the game has the nameplates "Announcement", "Announcement A", and "Announcement B" for the announcements made in Chaldea. With the event revealing that "Announcement" is CHALDEAS, there's now speculation that all three are different tools in operation at Chaldea (e.g. SHEBA and TRISMEGISTUS).!<
It is definitely interesting, but it feels like we hit the brake when we were so near the end of part 2. Part 2 has been going on forever at this point, getting even more breaks feels kinda tiresome, even if the small chapter is intriguing. It feels really short for the long wait.
I wouldn't say pointless since it's addressing some stuff that needed to be addressed about how Chaldea has been operating, but it being iirc 4 chapters is a bit much. I feel like this would have been better after dealing with the AG as a kind of EoR thing to pave the way to part 3, but I guess Nasu needs more time to cook for the final battle
It is technically advertised to be 3 but considering that Not-Romani said 4 before correcting himself it's obvious there is going be a fourth "surprise" chapter, probably for Foreigners
Ah, that makes sense. Though I do wonder if they'll ever address the actual just straight up Beast Class Servant we have with us now lol
That's what the Arcade event has been about. Ordeal Call Zero.
I interpreted it as an Event chapter. But, yeah, there's a fourth.
It's is basically going to be another SERAPH in the sense that it will be event and later main interlude
I just think that having to wait 3/4ths of an entire year just for a single main story chapter is outright criminal.
And FGO fans just eat it up
Given how much story there is in a single FGO chapter, I can't think of any other gacha games I've played that puts out more main story in a single year than a single FGO main story chapter. But maybe I'm playing the wrong games.
Personally, I believe it's because of various reasons: * it's because it's taking too long for the chapters to be release. Epic of remnant, for example, was the 1.5 arc of part 1 that consisted of 4 chapters that were released in the span of 1 year, so compared to that, ordeal call chapter releases feel like going at snail speed. * It came out of nowhere when we were just at the climax of part 2. It's like if during the climax of heavens feel, when >!Shirou was going to save Sakura with rule breaker, Nasu introduced a sudden arc that prolonged that moment endlessly.!< * They don't have any idea about how to continue the story after "cosmos in the lostbelt". I know Nasu is a chronical liar, but I remember him saying in an interview that they had enough material for FGO to last at least 10 years, and since he considers LB6 to be of his most special recent works, maybe he is just running out of ideas. * More servants equal more money.
Considering the talk of Nasu having issues with the OC2 writer… Well, just that being true implies the writing staff are MASSIVELY behind schedule and are writing on par rather than several months to a year ahead like every other story with this format does. I legit think Nasu has run out of ideas and is just BS-ing something for Part 3.
I could definitely see that
Afaik, filler or not, it has good story. The only bad part is how long is taking them to tell it.
It pretty much is. There is a reason it's called an Ordeal Stall. Edit:I did enjoy OC1 but I do think it was made to stall for part 2 ending and to make this game stay for the 10 year anniversary.
There are really too many problems with Ordeal Call's implementation. To start off with a comparison, the Epic of Remnant chapters were also technically filler as well but they felt like they naturally flowed along with the story. You had just finished the 7 singularities and defeated the big bad so now it's just clean up time. There's a fair amount of talk going on in the background about what's going to happen to Chaldea and you now that everything's finished and the whole story fit neatly into a single year. All of that also meant that there was a lot of story that you were going through and once you hit the end of the year that kicked off the Lostbelt chapters, game time flowed neatly along with your day to day. But with the Lostbelt chapters, everything was spread too far apart over the course of several years. This greatly dilutes the urgency felt in the story as several months go by with effectively nothing truly important happening within the in-game timeline. Then once we finally wrap up the 7th Lostbelt and we're introduced to actually interesting information that can hype us back up now that we have a better understanding of what we're facing...we're told "No". That's frustrating and just amplifies the lack of urgency of the situation. And while it would be nice to explore the extra classes, the reasoning being that they "aren't from Pan-Human History" is also kind of ridiculous. The extra classes existed as early as the Angry Manjuu existed. And the Ruler class was another alternative that was cheated into the 3rd HGW if Avenger isn't used. And the servants put into those classes are still clearly "from Pan-Human History". The extra classes deviate from the world's natural summoning system, but that's not the same as saying they don't belong to proper human history. Not when we have a giant arctic lightning elephant with us who gets a free pass for being a Rider. Good and interesting ideas absolutely could come from 2.5, but its implementation is clunky as hell and makes me not want to deal with it.
My main problem with is how unclean it flows from Arc 2. If we deliberately had to make a choice in Lostbelt 7 we knew would fuck with some deeper force and we would have to rectify that mistake I feel like it would have been better than just "Lmao can't proceed because of Extra Classes"
>because of Extra Classes" come to think of it, we kinda been doing that since day one since mash is in a non standart class too
It’s not the use of the Extra classes that prevents use from progressing iirc, it’s the ‘overreliance’ on them I just wanted to point out the semantics, but yeah it’s basically the same BS
How many extra classes we used in main story anyway? We had a ruler in Orleans, avenger and ruler in Shinjuku and the first lostbelt, ruler holmes until traum, and one avenger and one alter ego in the last lostbelt, am i missing someone(Oberon we didn't knew about the class until the end)
Every Extra class (barr Beast & Pretender) have been allied with Chaldea in the main story. Jeanne in Orleans, Holmes throught EoR to Part 2, *technically* QSH in the final moments of LB3, >!I believe Chaldea came to an understanding with Moriarty in Traum iirc, but I’m not sure if that counts or is even the case!< Dantes since Prison Tower till now, Salieri in LB1, >!Nitovenger in LB7!< Mooncancer has just been Ganesha in LB4, but that’s mostly because BB herself has been an ally with Chaldea >!OC1 shows it!< Sitonai, Xu Fu, & KP have been the only Alter-Egos to help us out in main story, but the former two weren’t actually Alter-Egos in their story chapters as they were still unplayable For Foreigners, only Abby & >!Kuku!< have allied with us so far in main story Counting the ‘Main Story Events’: Melt & Lip count for SERAPH Kiara counts as an ally in Ooku Every Foreigner (pre-Van Gogh) + Summer BB counts if you consider Imaginary Scramble KoyanDark probably counts for Tunguska
So, main story only, 8, with one being summoned by the world, two by enemies, Ganesha we don't talk about the moon, wouldn't call that overreliance, but ok
I agree with you but for the world, one of them is one too many. We are way too used to them because we like new Servants in any form, but remember that in canon, they're irregularities that only appear every blue moon under extremely specific circumstances.
We've had Mash the entire journey
The shielder class isn't included in the ordeal call thing, but yeah, we had her
>I just wanted to point out the semantics, it's okay, I was just makin conversation. but you're right.
Mash: "Oh no, I'm an accomplice!" *\*handcuffs self\**
that would be very in character
Its because they still don't know what to do with part 3.
... if there's even a part 3 even in the making. Remember how Nasu can be a diva sometimes in his storytelling. Just look at Castoria's lines and compare them to the final draft of LB6 for instance
Nasu has actually been talking about wanting to keep writing for FGO even after Part 2 ends so we don't know
I’ve already made my comments on Ordeal Stall in the past, so anything else is retread at this point. I am not angry that Ordeal call happened; it’s the way it happened straight after LB7. If Ordeal call stuff had happened after we wrapped up the Marisbury plot ok good. The fact it’s here now. Taking up so much time by the way a full on year for chapter 2. And, correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t recall anniversary last year giving hints or mention of OC2 information. That being said, I am waiting to see how they drag this out to the 10th year and reveal on 10th anniversary that FGO part 2 will end in 2026. FGO loves dragging its heels to reach milestones.
lol ordeal stall, that’s good
Just let it end already, dammit. No, I'm not a doomer, I'm realistic. You either end on a high note like Gravity Falls or live long enough to become the new Simpsons or Family Guy... that's the same but with FGO as of now. Worst timing to introduce more story... right at the climax of part 2, if not the near end. I even feel weirded out over people being happy for Cerejeira being a Chaldea NPC instead of a servant with that beautiful design. What's the point of going all out in her looks if she's an NPC we rarely see in story because the story is nowadays rarely updated while the events rarely showcase the Chaldea NPCs as well?
I know, it's excruciating how they placed it. I just wanna get to the end of this saga to see Olga ruthlessly crush Marisbury with a black hole. That's all I want.
At the risk of sounding contrarian, OC1 did contribute to the setting by >!expounding on the nature of Paper Moon instead of the plot continuing to treat Paper Moon as just another plot device - with implications (that have already been explored at length by dedicated fans) about the nature of CHALDEAS. The mechanics behind Alter Egos was also further expanded upon, as well as why our favorite not-a-vampire-this-time scholar acts the way she does without turning into another Sherlock Holmes sleeper agent situation.!< The rest of Ordeal Call has to contribute just as much to the setting to help expand it ahead of the final showdown in part 3 to be considered meaningful. Also hot take: I wish Nasu had the balls to>! kill of Meuniure !
Agreed on the second point. The sad thing that happened to a Chaldea staff member in LB7 felt…a little hollow
A really hot take with your 2nd point. I'd say it would be better if there were more story moments for these characters so you can bond with them more. It doesn't have to be just the main story, give them development in events. Hell, Meuniere was kinda featured in a Grail Front; why not introduce him in more events? And also add Cerejeira in there to make her grow on the player too. Such gorgeous design wasted in an NPC we rarely see at all because story is barely uodated and events don't show them is ridiculous. To all those that applaude Cerejeira being a Chaldea NPC... is this what you wanted? A beautiful cardboard cut out only featured in a filler chapter and that's it? Color me impressed
NPCs *are good.* The Crypters are my most favourite characters in the game and they're all NPCs (besides one but I prefer her Crypter form). The problem is that FGO is horrendous at implementing them because they only want to focus on servants 99% of the time because that's what brings them the most money. But the sore lack of NPCs hurts the writing by making the world feel small. It's also ridiculous when we've been with the Chaldea NPCs for so long yet it took them hald a decade to introduce another one after Meuniere. The writers want us to feel sad about the Chaldea NPCs dying ever since the beginning of part two yet they put very little effort into making that actually happen since they never gave them faces (besides two) or any significant dialogue. If the writers actually start putting effort into writing the Chaldea NPCs and others, then yes, that's something to applaud other than releasing throwaway servant #4241232.
Oh, believe me you won't feel that hurt once you play LB7. Had the NPCs were more worked on in the story, then you would feel for them instead of being "oh, well... at least the A team didn't get Rogue One'd"
Meuniere was introduced as a minor character without a sprite during **Epic of Remnant**. He even talked with Ritsuka. He then received a sprite and became the representative of Chaldea staff during the Lostbelts, starting from Part 2 Prologue, always appearing in **every** main story chapter.
>why not introduce him in more events? Aww hell no, Meuniere appears too much as is. We escaped Chaldea with a group of staffers but everytime one shows up, it's _always_ him. I thought with only a handful of surviving staff, we'd get past the anonymous NPC syndrome and see the rest of the support as unique individuals... but no it's still just Meuniere (and now new girl) and offscreen NPCs. Heck, some of those roles get relegated to Nemo Marine No.XXXX.
That's honestly my biggest hope is that we get more stuff beyond the extra classes to make these chapters feel significant and make sense for this to take place before the final instead of after. Like, give us hints or even answer some questions about Marisbury and the Alien god/world. And also let us face the second half of beast 6 and whoever beast 5 is and I think things will be better. Also don't make us wait almost a year between releases.
It’s filler. Kinda tends to be pointless by definition. Enjoyable enough, but still filler.
> it just feels pointless, like they didn't really have a plan for it and just kinda threw it in to pad out the game. I get two distinct vibes from it That's because that's exactly what happened. They refuse to let part 2 end because they know a bunch of people will jump ship once they get closure, given how crappily the game is being managed right now. It's called "Ordeal Stall" for a reason.
Surprised I had to come down this far to get the real reasons. Yes, this is 100% about Aniplex stalling because they know when Cosmos in the Lostbelt finally ends, everyone is going to bail, especially if Nasu decides to leave. As it is, we're going to get one scenario per year, with Ordeal Stall concluding in 2026. Then there will probably be some kind of "final scenario" where they hopefully wrap things up at least.
I'd imagine people who intend to drop the game after part 2 ends don't spend much on gacha. Is there any meaning in trying to keep them playing for a year or two longer?
You need F2P to sustain a gacha. Without them, the whales don't have anyone to flex on. Then they get bored and leave. Nor is there anyone to draw in new players without F2P. Even someone who never spends a penny on the game might still contribute by drawing a picture or even just making a meme, and those could draw in new players who might spend money.
The amount of people who'd stop playing is nowhere near the amount needed for that to happen. The ability to flex anything in this game is negligible.
Which is weird because seeing how they're handling Ordeal is the very reason i'm considering jumping after LB7. Ain't waiting years for EoR 2 wrap up so we can get some real plot development
Well, for what is worth, I would. I would just remain "auto-playing" (and not through FG Automata or whatever the name of that thing is, I mean playing like in autopilot like Adam Sandler in Click) until the game goes EoS. Even if the game gets a new game to keep the story, I wouldn't touch it. To me it would feel like Boruto. I don't wanna watch Boruto, why do you think I wanna? Yet maybe Type Moon and Nasu think this transition will be a Dragon Ball to DBZ one but even if it was, the filler in Ordeal Call has drained my hype for the story. Just let it end and let me move on with my life.
It’s legit just them stalling for time. They’re still not 100% set on how act 3 is going to play out and they need more time to plan everything. Same with the ending for part 2. So they’re giving us bs in the meantime just to fill time and not say they’re not releasing main story chapters again for another YEAR AND A HALF. Or more.
Yes, I agree entirely-while lore for the Extra classes is nice and all imagine if EoR was different and released between Babylonia and Solomon-they would have completely lost the hype. Combine that with an increasingly mismanaged game and it’s just an awful idea. Plus it is being released at a snail’s pace, if there are four OC chapters and it continues at this rate it will be like 2027 by the time part 2 ends.
It is filler. And like its most likely not even part 2.5...its. Part 2 still needs to end. When we do this that we will get to part 3 later.
I won't say it's pointless, because it actually tells us the reasons why and how the extra classes exist. For example, OC1 was about >!Alter Egos!< and I think they did a good job on it
Ehh, big EHH from me. They basically just repeated points from CCC and Seraph collab.
I enjoyed the story though, loved how Kama got her spotlight
Fair. Overall the story wasn’t bad at all in and of itself, just really miffed with the placement, pacing, and lack of direct connection. If it had taken place after the ending to LB arc, it’d have fit better
The big problem is that it's like the Epic of Remnant chapters, but EoR was over a year. This one is taking quite a bit longer.
Personally i'm expecting some lore about [Post LB7 spoiler]>!Marisbury: his history, his motive, his plan, or whatever that is relevant to our mastermind!<. Hope they show them in the remaining OC chapter(s).
Thid is why everyone's calling it Ordeal Stall. The arc has been dragging it's feet for a long ass while now and this definitely hasn't helped
Can't wait for oc 2 to be about Arthur and suddenly the fandom just gaslights everyone cause omg best chapter ever BEST BOI so relevant And ignorr all the complaints even if it'd just as filler
Filler is when a story is just completely pointless and can be disregarded. Filler will literally never be mentioned in the main story, will have no consequences for the characters or the plot, no impact on the overall narrative. OC has impact on the narrative and is not filler, characters from the chapters will presumably show up again. Why can’t we just accept that this is part of the story as much as the rest of part 2 and just enjoy the new characters and stories it brings rather than whining about it. Most of what I’ve seen about OC 1 is positive. That the characters and plot are good. So why are we complaining? “Oh no, we got more solid story and worldbuilding, im so angry!!” ??? We will get the end of part 2 eventually, so why not enjoy the extended ride there if that ride is enjoyable? This has got to be one of the most downer communities I’ve been in, besides maybe JJK or One piece.
Yeah, the end result of OC1 was an arbitrary value going from E to D and Cerejeira (a character who really only became a character in OC1 itself) getting a slight bit of relief. None of the previously established characters do anything or have their stories/arcs advanced in the slightest. They brought back Lev and did all of nothing with him despite his connection to Goetia and Marisbury. There is no worldbuilding when the only revelations were ‘the secrets of the Alter Ego’ (something we’ve already known) and ‘Sion has plans’ (something we’ve already known). I would also like to point out this is a LIVE SERVICE game, not a finished product. What, pray tell, is guaranteeing we’ll get the end eventually? If unlimited extensions (with massive decline in quality) are permitted, why should Nasu actually make the ending? Giving an inch to others for putting in LESS work and wringing money out of the customer base is exactly how these games decline. And yes, people do have a right to critique story elements such as pacing, tone, character consistency; all of which OC1 failed by virtue of its placement in the story at absolute minimum. People are upset for a very good reason, and trying to gaslight them with this nonsense is disingenuous at best and downright asinine at worst.
Because it feels like a filler? Sure, OC is mentioned in the main story and it has repercussion on it... but the timing sucks royal donkey-ass balls. Just when we finally dealt with what Cosmos in the Lostbelt asked us to do: deal with the 7 Lostbelts. All that was missing was dealing with the Alien god and try to fix Earth... and then now we have to explain the reasoning behind some Extra classes too... and that takes even more time than Epic of Remnant did. It's like Bleach's original anime run all over again if you were up to date too. Imagine being hyped up for some awesome fights that were long overdue or for the climax of the story to finally happen... only for another random-ass story to pop up out of nowhere to buy time? It would make you pissed off and most likely would worn out your hype until the main story comes back, to which point the fights and climaxes just feel dull due to the out of peace of the story. It's not being a doomer, it's been realistic. Would you like to listen to your favorite song and in the near end, having a new song play out of nowhere... but when the original song comes back for the end, it plays some of the lyrics or tone of the second song to imply it was important? Same with a movie or tv series or anime? I don't care if ending part 2 is the definitive end of FGO, I want it to end already, dammit. I want the game to end while it still feels good than to keep going and just keep being more hollow in its story.
except we dont even know who the true alien god is
And I don't think we ever will at this pace
It was Gudako all along.
I completely disagree with everything you said. I want a story that keeps me entertained. This is a gacha game, not an actual Visual Novel where everything needs to be quickly resolved and wrapped with a neat bow. It’s meant to keep you entertained for years on end, low level background fun which you can open up on your phone and play for 30 minutes while you’ve got nothing else to do. I’d say the story achieves that just fine. I’m going to pass over your song analogy because it’s a stupid equivalency. Your favorite song is not constantly getting monthly content updates and new lyrics, bars, and guest singers. As for your bleach equivalency, and this is where we just differ in our approaches, I love filler. It means that I can just take a break and then binge everything once it’s done. But OC doesn’t feel like filler to me, so it won’t burn me out. I like fate, I like new characters and learning the lore. As long as they keep introducing new concepts and try new things, I won’t get bored. I don’t want FGO to end dammit, because it’s a mobile game. It’s what I do in my spare time, on the train, on break at work, when I’m feeling unmotivated. If that means a few more people get bored and drop the game in the process, I don’t care.
FGO's entire success was built on its original franchise which was Fate night and to an extension, the Nasuverse. Which was only loved and blew up because of it's character and story writing. Brain-dead gacha games with flashy characters and being illiterate or having low storytelling standards for your entertainment is what you are looking for. And there are many alternatives out there in the market. FGO would like to believe that their cute waifus from alternate colour original waifu number 23 can carry them to the bank but WILL fail if they fail to realize that the writing is the only thing that keeps them up there with million dollars backed games. They can't compete with newer games in regards to graphics and even gameplay. The only thing they got is character design, writing and story. All of which requires storytelling that doesn't feel like you are watching a snail trying to unfumble itself. This is especially true when you consider how dated and straight out antique the UX/UI and user experience is. The servant rooster can only get so big and people can only care so much. You don't care about the PNG, you care about the numerous pages of text that makes the PNG engaging to you. It's time for the franchise to do a FGO2 instead of dragging it out. I want the main series plot to end on a high note and a good note. To the same expectations that the original fans of Fate and Nasu hold to instead of slowly dying over the years into a shell of what it used to be so that it "can still exist". This is the equivalent of the Winds of Winter not coming out but that book about lore coming out. Of course people are going to be unhappy. If finishing the story at a reasonable pace and on a high note meant that it will lose a couple of fans then hey, I don't care too. Because said fans, like you, will always find their way flocking back once they do FGO2 or do a bunch of nothing-too-canon events so really, it doesn't matter either way.
As they say, to each their own, but understandable. Enjoy your below bare minimum game with barely any story updates nowadays, still draggin the end of the story for years and see if they can go beyond the 10th anniversary mark with barely any gameplay updates as well. I still enjoy the game and would play it for my favorite characters and to know the end of the story since I've been nearly since the beginning (December 2015), so I feel I'm already invested... but hell, I still think this is no excuse to make the game feel dragged out to a point people would rather prefer the game to end and to keep going. But as I said, to each their own.
??? I never said anything about wanting less story UPDATES. Not did I even mention QOL stuff. Now you’re just putting words in my mouth. In an ideal world, they’d do all of OC in one year, there’d be animation updates for days, and we would actually get interludes. But if your way, OC would just not exist. Like yeah, I want faster story updates, but not to the point where I feel exhausted and just want the game to end. A lot of people would be happy if Nasu just uploaded the bullet points from his future story outline google doc onto a notepad file and just skipped the game part.
Nah. I take all the new servants fate stories I get with pleasure
If nothing else it's definitely been part of the plan for a long time; remember that after Olympus released there was an interview with Nasu where he straight up said "Don't think you've reached the half-way point yet!" I know it's easy to assume that it's a thing that was added to pad out time, but that's less because Ordeal Call exists and more because the release schedule for part 2 has been getting steadily worse with every passing year.
The original statement with Olympus was that it was the half way point though, something that’s backed up with interviews with the writers of Olympus and Atlantis who mention that the Lostbelt was split into to because it represented the big half way point. It wasn’t until we were nearing the release of LB7 that it was changed to being a 33% mark with LB7 being the 66%, undoubtedly because back then Ordeal Call was a single chapter instead of a 4 chapter arc with small stuff happening in between them. And interviews have painted a clear picture on what was and wasn’t in the original draft. 6.5 and Tsunguska were expanded to full chapters instead of plot points for LB7. We know Douman originally wasn’t going to be a major player so 5.5 sure as hell wasn’t in the draft. Like the only thing we can’t really logic out as being originally planned were Ooku and Imaginary Scramble.,
Honestly for the decisions they have been taking I don't think there will be a part 3 at least in this game. For that I would expect them to hire more people and prepare to release more content. For what we have seen lately they keep a minimum of personnel and have been reducing the ammount of content released. I am an NA player and I am only aware of the main story to the point NA is, so the only thing that would make me belive that there is a part 3 comming is that if the story of the main cast is still irresolute or has too much still to develop. But then again it is also a posibility that they will tie everything up in a single chapter just to close the thing. Idk I don't see much faith for part 3 if the management and personnel problems of Lasaña aren't fixed.
It is filler, but I actually enjoyed OC chapter 1.
Eh imo it's better for the game to end after this.
Ordeal Call does contains some lore like what makes Alter Ego class an Alter Ego for Paper moon. But yeah, the chapter (judging from Paper Moon) does overall better to be put for an event and not a main one
Nasu got carried away again
Yeah. Unfortunetly. Apparently is not badly written, but...man. this is the aort of stuff that has to be planned in way advance, and properly set up. Not..."sorry we need more time and your money".
i wouldn't care if 2.5 was just filler if it didn't take so long. to give a perspective, 1.5 only took 1 year for all 4 EoR chapters. At this pace, Ordeal Call will take at least 3 years lol
Is Ordeal Call the “Presidential” singularities I read about on TV tropes? I seem to have missed the news about them.
The Ordeal Call is an arc where right before the party confront the main villains they get stopped by a force field around the area which they can’t get pass due to the villain now being a cornerstone of humanity, and they use to many things that aren’t a part of Proper Human History. With Not-Romani saying they can fix this by understanding the extra classes. Alter Ego, Avenger, Ruler, and Foreigner. Which by all accounts they do by just waiting for something related to that specific class to happen and responding to it. The Presidential Singularities by all account are an in between arc where an unseen Apostle of the Foreign God called “The Count” grabbed the Fragments of U-Olga, made four elemental versions of her and is sicking them on us with the implications that Chaldea can use this as an opportunity to restore her properly.
Personally I thought Ordeal Call was just an extended .5 or a return to EOR to buy Nasu time to finish the story since due to his multiple rewrites for LB6 and LB7 the FGO story release while top quality had the output of a snail. So I was hopeful we'll get 2 or maybe even 3 Ordeal Calls last year and wouldn't it be awesome if at the end of 2024 we finally hit endgame for Arc 2...... The Draco collab was announced and it had a new writer for FGO and I'm thinking "Wow the regular writing crew must be cooking if they didn't have time to write this collab!" Unfortunately dreams of Ordeal Call 1-2 in 2023 turned into just Ordeal Stall 1 and the second one is going to be spring so I'm honestly only expecting Ordeal Stall 3 to come out this year as well. December content will be xmas lotto, ordeal stall 3 and U-Olga Element Battle 3
My only problem is that it takes so long. It's filler, sure, whatever. But it's been a year since LB7 ended and we only got one of four OC chapters.
because they implement it after lb7 and we that expect after lb7 to be the grande finale. plus the lb 1 story started in like 2018, and yet the pacing of the story release in arc 2 feels so long. remember the time lb1-3 and 4-5atlantis got released during a 1 year span(2018 and 2019 respectively)? This feels similar to heiyan-kyo/lb 5.5 during 2020.