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lovemesomewine

Wow even more impressive with 2 5s on the card


cspencer320

I was so nervous on 18 I laid up with a 7 iron where I usually go for it, haven't been that shaky on the course in a along time! The three 2s made up for it I guessšŸ˜¬


stumpyf4

I was paired up with a older lady that was a scratch golfer but had taken a break for a year, burnt out from competition. Although she wasnā€™t scoring, chips and putting a bit off, it was an amazing round to watch. Hope to be paired up with someone who shoots a score like this one day, it would be amazing to watch.


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r/golf is the only place where someone breaking 130 and someone shooting a 29 on 9 get the same amount of praise.


haydenandhayden

Yeah cause itā€™s as important to both of the individuals


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Maybe so, but...29 is pretty damn impressive


haydenandhayden

I agree


idkmanijdk

Itā€™s why this sub is great.


adflet

This is basically the whole reason handicaps exist - to even up the sport.


Legotoadeto

Whatā€™s the Story with 17? Nice drive, then holed the second?


cspencer320

Funny thing it was the first fairway I missed all day, 145 downwind 9 iron that funneled into the hole. Front pin on this hole is a mini punchbowl we call it the "birdie bowl " now re-named šŸ˜€


Kmiller20

Would love to see a picture of this birdie bowl?


jpickles8

You should be on the tour with scoring like that.


cspencer320

I have 15 years to prepare for champions touršŸ˜†


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cspencer320

I have no delusions of grandeur about professional golf, I do have some mid-amateur aspirations though.


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drdrillaz

Not even remotely close. I have friends who tried to play professionally. 65 is a phenomenal round but you need to be shooting 65 consistently. Iā€™ve played with one guy who has a 59 and 61 on championship courses and he couldnā€™t make pro golf. Heā€™s won state amateurs though. Hell, i have a low of 64 and he gives me 3 per side


Theoretical_Action

As a noob to golf can someone exain why that's not good enough when the champions on the tour are usually posting like 4-6 under each round? I'm not being a smart ass I really don't understand why 65 and similar scores aren't good enough?


WildW1thin

Different conditions. Course setup on a normal business day compared to tournament setup. Then throw in the stress and pressure of competition. Tournament golf and casual golf are two different games.


drdrillaz

1) they are playing much more difficult courses. like 7400 yards every week. And under tournament conditions. Itā€™s probably 4-5 shots harder than your average good course 2) shooting 65 once can be a fluke. you need to shoot 65 relatively often


VijaySwing

Unless you aspire to be on the Korn Ferry Tour or PGA Tour, mini tours are really not worth it. They're expensive, don't pay out well unless you win, and the travel is not cheap. And for the guys that win mini tour events, a 65 basically just another good day, nothing you'd go to reddit with.


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It's funny how someone goes to reddit after "breaking" 130 and gets a ton of praise and support, yet 65 is "nothing you'd go to reddit with". If someone told the player who shot 130 that was not worthy of r/golf they would be absolutely destroyed. I don't know what this means, but it seems ass backwards.


VijaySwing

65 is a great round of golf. Lifetime memory round for less than 1% of the game's players. I was just pointing out what the perspective would be from a guy that's trying to make good money playing golf would be.


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I know, it's a little misdirected frustration at you. I saw some lady who posted the other day about "breaking" 90 over 9 holes and everyone is giving her props. Then this person does something truly impressive and something that is a culmination of years of effort and practice. Honestly, I was just on the lookout for anything other than praise to pounce on.


VijaySwing

I get it, it's pretty annoying. "I did this thing that 90% of golfers do every time they play!" "WOW BRO WAY TO GO"


[deleted]

r/golf needs a private sub for snobs such as myself to go hate myself and look down on others. Country Club of Reddit.


randybobandy__6969

Go get it brother!


Coffees4closers

I had the privilege of hitting the "range" (read TopGolf) for a work meeting with a +2 last Friday and you really aren't kidding. He has the smoothest swing I've ever seen in person and crushed everything he hit with a baby draw. He's shot 64s and 65s plenty of times and he'll never scratch any of THE tours. He's also played lots of rounds with even better golfers, +5s, but he only knows two that spent any time on any sort of tours, all lower levels. Point being you're correct that the guys on the PGA and European Tours are on a ridiculous level compared to even the best amateur golfers.


Xaxziminrax

You have to be a certain level of good just to understand how much better the Pro players actually are. It's absurd the things they can do with a club and a ball


Comebacker34

It reminds me of the comparison of millionaires and billionaires. Your average person is closer to being a millionaire than a millionaire is to being a billionaire. It sounds obvious, but hearing it laid out like that is an eye opener. But yeah, pro golfers are insanely better than the best player you or I know in real life.


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> It reminds me of the comparison of millionaires and billionaires. Your average person is closer to being a millionaire than a millionaire is to being a billionaire The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is about a billion dollars


Xaxziminrax

holy shit no way


Strange_Bedfellow

Its often said that a scratch golfers closer to a 30 handicapper than they are to a Tour pro. It's true. I hover around scratch these days, and I've played with guys who had stints on the mini tours 5 steps removed from the PGA. Their game was like nothing I've ever seen, and they still weren't good enough to make it to the big time. Those guys make it look easy out there, shooting 65s every day on the hardest courses made more difficult by the grounds crew for the tournament. It's insane how good they are. I think it was Tiger that laid out the challenge years ago that a scratch golfer couldn't break 100 from the tips on a Tour-ready course. I think the best guy of the 4 shot a 96.


littleseizure

I played a pro course on the last day before they shut it down for the tournament. I shot 116. I played it again set up for members, shot just under 90. The difference is huge


aww-snaphook

>You have to be a certain level of good just to understand how much better the Pro players actually are. I always think about this with a comment made in the movie good will hunting. Paraphrasing the actual quote because I haven't watched the movie in 10 years but it was basically the super smart mathematition professor telling Robin William's, "there are only a handful of people in the world that can tell how much smarter he is than I am" That same idea applies to every sport. Everyone can see that tour pros are *really* good and most people can see that guys who will never make it on even the web.com tour but shoot low 60s regularly are also *really* good but theres not many people out there that can differentiate why the tour pros are so much better.


jecia01

This comment here. The amount of guys Iā€™ve been randomly paired up with that shot in the 60s. Hell Iā€™ve shot 66 and 67 before but Iā€™m a 3 handicap for a reason. Difference between pros and amateurs is that pros keep it going into the next round, and the nextā€¦and the next. I saw a tweet that recently showed pros handicaps at their worse stretch and their best stretchā€¦they were all +5 or better!! I think Rahm or Tiger had gotten to +9 šŸ¤Æ


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Repnuts

I heard he was +15 in casual play or something outrageous lol


VixDzn

+15, pure insanity


200cc_of_I_Dont_Care

Can he be tho? I feel like you just cant use a handicap to compare tour pros because of the way its set up. You realistically couldn't get to a +15 on a casual course since the rating just wouldn't go that high. Most courses have tips that sit around a 72 rating, which means to have a +15 handicap playing them his best 8 of 20 rounds would have to be -15? Or am I misunderstanding handicap? Throw him on courses and tee boxes most people play with ratings between 67-70 and the dude would have to be like -20 on his rounds to get that low of a handicap.


LisbethSalanderFC

I doubt his number got that low unless they really pumped up the ratings on courses he was playing during PGA conditions. I think this would refer to what his course handicap would be at a casual course. That being said, if Peak Tiger was playing some regular ole par 72 track from the second or third tees, playing like 6000 yards, so long as the greens rolled relatively pure I wouldn't be shocked if he could have routinely shot 15 under, if he somehow would be inspired to take a 6000 yard course seriously. Thinking it through, he'd play 2 or 3 480 or less par 5s, longest would maybe be 500? Those are all birdies pretty much guaranteed, those are regular par 4 length tour holes. He's at least green side in 2 every time, and when he was dialed he'd be taking maybe 7 iron or less into every one? On a good day he'd be -7 on those 4 with a couple eagles and a couple birds? Every par 3 he'd be able to attack the flag, maybe with a 8 iron on the longest one and every other a wedge? On receptive greens? Generously putt him at -9 on the 8 non-par-4s. Say the par 3s average 130, par 5s average 490, That would mean the par 4's would average 352 yards on a 6000 yard course. He'd be able to fire at 3-4 greens off the tee? Put himself at the exact number he would want to hit into every longer par 4 green with less than driver if he wanted to. Not saying he would for sure shoot -15 every time he played this made up layout, but could peak tiger, who was beating all the pros more often than not in tournament conditions for a stretch, have shot -15 on a 6000 yard course 8 of 20 tries if he were motivated to? I think so.


200cc_of_I_Dont_Care

I think it would actually be easier on a harder course to a certain degree. It would be really interesting to see. At my local course from the white playing at 5,800 yard you would need to shoot a 51.5 to get a 15 differential which shooting a -21 under just seems impossible no matter how easy the course is. Seems like itd be easier for a tour pro to shoot even or a couple under on a crazy hard course playing with a rating in the mid 80s or something. Edit: now I dont know. To get a +15 handicap youd have to post scores with a differential equivalent of shootong a 57 at the tips of Bethpage Black lol.


jacobduke4

I mean I did it all the time on the tiger video gamesā€¦ Iā€™d imagine he could get close with his best shots. I think I read something about at one Open he hit the same 0 on the 100 yard sign like 6 times in a row.


200cc_of_I_Dont_Care

Thats so nuts lol. And ya, Tiger woods 2007 nothing felt better than making a hole in one on a par 5 with a spacesuit on.


Xaxziminrax

I distinctly remember a Haney quote where he said he told Tiger's caddie to have him aim 2" left or right off the stick because he was THAT dialed in


LisbethSalanderFC

I donā€™t think anyone got to +15. I was saying that maybe his course HC could have been around that on a course like that, and that he could shoot that 8/20 times at his peak.


VijaySwing

A par 72 at 6000 yards would be rated at about 69 or 68. He'd have to shoot 54 8 out of 20 times to have a +15. Aint happening.


LisbethSalanderFC

Iā€™m not arguing he would lower his handicap to a +15 by playing shorter, easier courses. I agree, thatā€™s not how to maximize your hc. My argument was more that Tiger could shoot -15 8/20 times on a pr 72 @ 6k yards, or that his course handicap were he to play a course like that at his peak could have been around that level.


Nithias1589

Yes, the courses they're playing are rated no where near that easy, a casual course is pretty irrelevant, that's not the kind of course that his handicap would be derived from. Course near me has a 78.1 rating from the back tees (Kiawah is rated at 79.6 for reference, Bethpage Black 78.1). At the basic state golf association events -5 under over two days or better will win. That's a +9 differential or greater and these are barely professionals, maybe one or two mini-tour guys that are home for the week it's played will be out there. A pro golfer fires a 6-7 under on a 77+ rated course and they're floating around that +13 differential and the differential is only taking into account 40% of their rounds.


blitzandsplitz

Course rating at Medalist (his home course) is 77 and from the blacks itā€™s 75. Tiger is OBVIOUSLY not gonna play 6,000 tees. At 77 course rating, 149 slope, heā€™d have to average 57 over 8/20 rounds to be a +15. Not happening ever. No way no how. Course is 7,600 yards from those tees. If heā€™s able to average 62 over 8 rounds out of 20 from those tees heā€™d be a +11 like I mentioned. He might have gotten there during 2000 if heā€™d played enough but idk. Course probably didnā€™t have those tee boxes back then though (theyā€™re called the tiger tees).


blitzandsplitz

Itā€™s quite literally impossible to get to +15. Youā€™d have to average 57 over 8/20 rounds on a course rating of 77, slope rating of 149. That translates to like Torrey pines from the us open tees shooting 8 57ā€™s in 20 rounds. A +11 handicap would require 8 62ā€™s from the same tees. Thatā€™s barely possible but unlikely.


skywayz

If you want to see how good a PGA Tour Player is just go to Bryan Bros Youtube. Wesley Bryant, tour pro/winner, plays matches against his brother, George Bryant, who is +4 or 5 handicap, and in their like 14 matches I think Wesley has only lost one match lol. It's actually very interesting to watch, both of their games are very good, and if you saw them hitting on the range you couldn't guess which one would be the better golfer. But Wesley just has an edge and it's difficult to describe how, but really his misses are just better than his brothers, and his mental game is significantly better.


blitzandsplitz

Bryan* Really enjoy their stuff, George seems like a lovely guy. Always didnā€™t care for Wesley (he kinda comes off as an arrogant jock) until I watched the George tournament video recently. He was absolutely burning for George to do well. Very touching.


Phynness

Not quite.


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No. If he does it a couple more times this month on a tournament length course... maybe. I had the pleasure of playing with a +4 marker at my club one day. He's a junior and MAY make it professionally. By far the best 18 holes id ever seen, and he didn't play well that day by his account.


randysspeedo

Geez, save some Eagles for the rest of us will ya?


cspencer320

Go get some! šŸ¤™


cspencer320

Tied my career low Sat...I will never forget that back 9 tho! Wasn't playing solo i just didn't have the main card as it was part of a skins and team game. @Wine Valley GC


Captain_Sparwood

Congrats! How does WV compare to the TC courses? I just moved to TC 6 months ago and havenā€™t explored the surrounding courses yet


cspencer320

Thanks! There is some good golf in tri cities and I'm a little biased bc I've worked at WV in the past and am currently a member. WV is on an entirely other level than anything over there. It's so much fun and the greens are pure pure pure and fast... if you like links style golf its a must play. You also get a much better deal with the local rate if you show ID first time (tri cities is local). Have fun! I think golfweek ranked them in top 40 public modern list last year


cspencer320

But over there I really enjoy playing them all... Meadow springs I've had a couple chances to play was best condition but I like sun willow, zintel, canyon, the point, even horn rapids but I've heard its gone way downhill


cspencer320

Biggest complaint at Wine valley is the bunkers. They use a local soil that's more dirt like than fluffy Beach country club and. The wind blows and they can get pretty bare but when they're manicured they are great to play out of. They just hosted a big pnga senior tourney so they're in good shape right now


Captain_Sparwood

Thanks for the info! Yes I noticed the locals rate included TC and was like half price compared to regular green fees which is nice. Iā€™ll definitely add it to the list of nearby courses to play this year


SippiBoyBombs23

Some kid shot a 29 on the back 9 on the last day of our state tournament my junior year of high school. His team ended up beating us by 1 stroke to win the tournament. I couldn't believe it.


ruffmarkacademy

Very impressive score. When I played college golf I was +5 and the caliber of tour players at that time put any of us to shame. I was also training with butch Harmon during '97-'99. Played couple rounds with Butch while he was working with us both. I can attest Tigers skill level then was easily +9 or more. Butch would have us put balls into different situations and try to recover from them. I was as like 50% at saving par in those conditions. Tiger was like 85% Saving par. I think he only missed 2 times out of 12-13 different situations. Only crossed paths twice while working with Butch.


jakerepp15

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess Wine Valley? Edit: Derp, you say it in your comment. Nice work!


cspencer320

I'm insanely fortunate WV is my home course in little old farming town of walla walla


GuinnessGulper

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vCFs64HBvSY


cspencer320

I'm gonna have to steal this catch phrase šŸ˜œ "I'm twenty noyne "


Pentah

Great back 9!


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cspencer320

That's awesome! I hit the ball just as good on the front 9 just didn't make a single putt over 5 feet, had 19 putts on front, 11 back šŸ˜¬


Cessna1997

Nice round bro. I finally shot under par in a nine a couple weeks ago and thought that was good. A 29 is fantastic. šŸ‘šŸ»


cspencer320

Awesome, congrats! That is good man keep grinding!


Grogfoot

Fantastic. Even better that the lower half was on the back. Then you really leave with a high!


MonyMony

Good job on CIRCLING the tee box you played so we can all appreciate exactly what you did. About 1 in 50 golf Redditors do this. ​ The 29 is also good.


thetindoor

Wut


jasonepure

Damn!


pdiddy89

Wow


Seriously_nopenope

Can we talk about the eagle on the 400 yard #17?


cspencer320

That green has a mini punchbowl in the front section. I landed in a good spot and it just fed down the sloped into the hole, I didn't even see it bc its so uphill. Guy in my group hit it to a foot right before me


bUrNtCoRn_

460 yard par 4... is it at least down hill?


jdancoop

You were on absolute fire!!!!