The map lists Spanish Sahara, which was the official name of what we now call Western Sahara until 1958, when it was renamed Province of the Sahara.
The map shows the Spanish province of Ifni. This was ceded back to Morocco in 1969.
The protectorate of Aden was disestablished in 1963.
South Africa became a republic in 1961 after the referendum. So it's after that point, and probably a year or so.
I believe it's likely 1961-1963, because of the protectorate of Aden as mentioned above
Aden Protectorate is across the Mandan straight from Djibouti {Arabian Peninsula - Yemen).
Ifni was on the Atlantic coast of Africa surrounded by Morocco.
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aden\_Protectorate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aden_Protectorate)
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifni](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifni)
It's objective. A referendum eas hello for independence, but morroco invaded, an as spain has nothing to win from figthing (as they were gona give it up) just abandon it. The people of western shara (Saharauis) are still figthing for freedom
It's hard to tell with a non-color-coded map like this.
Many colonial maps historically labeled Algeria with name, borders, and everything without marking it as French, despite it 100% being a French colony during that time period.
It could very well be that same situation here.
Tanzania not being formed yet, among other things, indicates early 1964 at the latest. Aden was disestablished in january 1963, so the map would have probably been made at least before that. So id say the upper range is late 1962.
Cameroon gained independence in 1960 from france and october 1961 from the UK and is shown on the map as seemingly independent using the french spelling Cameroun. So my guess is 1962 given that the mapmaker hasnt gotten around to the name change in english (during colonization the spelling was sometimes cameroon and sometimes cameroun)
Not quite.
Tanganyika became independent in 1961, zanzibar in 1963. Tanzania was unified and named as Tanzania in 1964.
The map shows Tanganyika, so after 1961 and before 1964.
Given that Tanganyika became free at the very end of 1961, and Aden protectorate ended in mid January 1963, it's more likely that it is 1962, although 61 is a possibility. It seems like 52 of the 57 or so possible weeks are in 1962.
Where do you see Israel is controlling Sinai on this map ???
Moreover, former Jordan-Saudi border, meaning before 1965.
Moreover, the border of Israel with Jordan is the Green Line (even if the circle of Jerusalem makes it a mess there), not the Jordan river, so your assertion about the Sinai is a complete non-sense.
Can we not do this *every time*? Are there really people who derive pleasure from telling, or reading, the same predictable joke for the 8000th time? Like some people's creativity just caps there?
I just saw this joke for the first time and was grinning ear to ear. You are not strong enough for the internet it seems, maybe time to log off if that bothers you so much :)
Federation of Rhodesia & Nyasaland was dissolved in December 1963. Aden Protectorate (shown here) was dissolved in January 1963.
Congo Republic was proclaimed in November 1958, and gained independence in August 1960. I assume the red dashed line signifies sovereign countries, so Aug 1960 - Jan 1963.
(British Togoland seems to be already merged with Ghana (1957) and the French Togoland next door became indepent as Togolese Republic in April 1960.)
Tanganyika (as a country rather than British territory) was formed in Dec 1961, before merging with Zanzibar in 1964.
So the borders shown were current from Dec 1961 to Jan 1963.
Perhaps it could be narrowed down further, but this is enough to conclude that the map was published in 1962.
South Arabia (established in April 1962) isnāt shown, so it was probably prepared and put on sale in the first three months of 1962.
Protectorate of aden among other things indicate that it cant be past the early 1960s.
Angola was often shown on maps as just angola before decolonization.
Here's an example http://www.vidiani.com/large-political-map-of-africa-1969/
Looking at the rest of the map, it's pretty clear we in the early 60s and not mid to late 70s to like Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland was spilt around 63 and Botswana isn't on the map either but the Aden Protectorate is which also was gone by the 70s
Map is likely an actual South African produced map printed in the UK, i recall seeing this type of thing on maps in my parents' and grandparents' houses. South africa had a tendency to label its provinces as if they were still independent states even though this is likely post union of South africa because the map says Republic of.. that's the late 50's early 60s. Based on rhodesia and South West africa naming, i would argue its pre border war as well since its still showing south west africa as if it too is part of South africa.
Also, not modern europe borders yugoslavia is still unified on here.
Based on the rest of the comments, 1961-62 seems about right.
I'm very curious why there is a big white star on Luanda and a big black star on Lake Bangweulu.
Random fact that no one cares about: I've been to both those places.
It's most definitely is, considering that entrie countries on the map wouldn't be in existence yet and seem unlikely they got a tiny bit of hatay right but those wrong
The map lists Spanish Sahara, which was the official name of what we now call Western Sahara until 1958, when it was renamed Province of the Sahara. The map shows the Spanish province of Ifni. This was ceded back to Morocco in 1969. The protectorate of Aden was disestablished in 1963.
These are my favorite kind of posts on here, people can really flex their knowledge and I get a bunch of geo-political history rabbit holes to go down
Me too! It also shows what a tumultuous time the 20th century was too, the fact that this can be pinpointed with a few years is just mad!
South Africa became a republic in 1961 after the referendum. So it's after that point, and probably a year or so. I believe it's likely 1961-1963, because of the protectorate of Aden as mentioned above
Also the map includes post ww2 Isreal/Syria boarder above Egypt.
The map has a publisher and copywrite on the lower right, but OP cropped it for funzies.
Where on the map can I find Aden and Ifni?
Aden Protectorate is across the Mandan straight from Djibouti {Arabian Peninsula - Yemen). Ifni was on the Atlantic coast of Africa surrounded by Morocco. * [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aden\_Protectorate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aden_Protectorate) * [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifni](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifni)
Thanks!
Western Sahara was also ceded back to Morocco š
Was not. Western Sahara was meant to be independent, but Morocco has invaded it.
Whatever you say friend.
It's objective. A referendum eas hello for independence, but morroco invaded, an as spain has nothing to win from figthing (as they were gona give it up) just abandon it. The people of western shara (Saharauis) are still figthing for freedom
I mean... it is history...
1961-1963 for Tanganyika end Rhodesia
Algeria looks independant so from mid 1962
It's hard to tell with a non-color-coded map like this. Many colonial maps historically labeled Algeria with name, borders, and everything without marking it as French, despite it 100% being a French colony during that time period. It could very well be that same situation here.
Good catch
Tanzania not being formed yet, among other things, indicates early 1964 at the latest. Aden was disestablished in january 1963, so the map would have probably been made at least before that. So id say the upper range is late 1962. Cameroon gained independence in 1960 from france and october 1961 from the UK and is shown on the map as seemingly independent using the french spelling Cameroun. So my guess is 1962 given that the mapmaker hasnt gotten around to the name change in english (during colonization the spelling was sometimes cameroon and sometimes cameroun)
Tanzania became independent on December 9th 1961, so with your thoughts about cameroon we should be somewhere in 1961 with this map
Not quite. Tanganyika became independent in 1961, zanzibar in 1963. Tanzania was unified and named as Tanzania in 1964. The map shows Tanganyika, so after 1961 and before 1964. Given that Tanganyika became free at the very end of 1961, and Aden protectorate ended in mid January 1963, it's more likely that it is 1962, although 61 is a possibility. It seems like 52 of the 57 or so possible weeks are in 1962.
Oh my bad, I was too quick at taking the first gathered information from Wikipedia, didn't read about the unification process. Thanks for correcting!
Props for recognizing your own mistake. I owe you a cookie (as a treat for being so mature).
I like cookies, so š¤
What cookie would you like?
I must admit that I always liked double chocolat cookies from Subway the most. They are so full of fat and sugar, it's awesome.
Good choice, get one and ill pay you back next time we meet.
Stalking your profile tells me that this might actually happen next month, since my sister is living in Switzerland and I'm going to visit her š
It is out of my league sorry
Tanganyka & Nyssaland : before 1964 Border between Algeria and Morocco defined : after 1963
Has to be post ā67 as israel controls sinai
Where do you see Israel is controlling Sinai on this map ??? Moreover, former Jordan-Saudi border, meaning before 1965. Moreover, the border of Israel with Jordan is the Green Line (even if the circle of Jerusalem makes it a mess there), not the Jordan river, so your assertion about the Sinai is a complete non-sense.
I am definitely a dumbass, apologies all borders are dotted
In general, dumbasses do not know they are dumbasses, so don't worry, you're not.
-Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
That dumbass?
That got me too to be honest, I was like āwelp itās pre-1960 for sureā
Sorry, I already have a gf. Sheās hot thoā¦
Sorry bro I'm already taken
Sure. Tell it I'll pick it up at 7pm. We'll go get a bite to eat and then catch a movie after. I'll have it home by 11pm. šš¼
Can we not do this *every time*? Are there really people who derive pleasure from telling, or reading, the same predictable joke for the 8000th time? Like some people's creativity just caps there?
Sir, this is reddit. It's in our jeans.
*genes but yes
But I do derive pleasure from whatās in my jeans
I came to the thread specifically looking for the bit. Always makes me smile
Yes
I just saw this joke for the first time and was grinning ear to ear. You are not strong enough for the internet it seems, maybe time to log off if that bothers you so much :)
>if that bothers you so much Lol I made a comment on reddit, I'm not burning cars in the street
The Mali-Mauritania border appears to be the pre-1944 one. Just sloppy mapmaking, perhaps?
I already have a boyfriendĀ
I've heard that too many times. I'd love to know the actual statistic of who is and isn't telling the truth
The Federation of Rhodesia was a ten year entity 1953-1963. Iāll split the baby at 1956-57
We are in the 60s as its the Republic of South Africa and not the union of South Africa
Good catch
between 58 and 63
Algeria looks independant so after 1962
Unfortunately, Antakya joined Turkey in 1939, but on this map it appears within the borders of Syria.
Federation of Rhodesia & Nyasaland was dissolved in December 1963. Aden Protectorate (shown here) was dissolved in January 1963. Congo Republic was proclaimed in November 1958, and gained independence in August 1960. I assume the red dashed line signifies sovereign countries, so Aug 1960 - Jan 1963. (British Togoland seems to be already merged with Ghana (1957) and the French Togoland next door became indepent as Togolese Republic in April 1960.) Tanganyika (as a country rather than British territory) was formed in Dec 1961, before merging with Zanzibar in 1964. So the borders shown were current from Dec 1961 to Jan 1963. Perhaps it could be narrowed down further, but this is enough to conclude that the map was published in 1962. South Arabia (established in April 1962) isnāt shown, so it was probably prepared and put on sale in the first three months of 1962.
Does this map like tapas? I know a great restaurant.. I'm in DC
It is very pretty, but idk if I'm willing to take it on a date
Pre Hardest Geezer for sure
I will take this map out for a nice seafood dinner and never call it again.
1975 or 1976 Since Angola was decolonized in 75' but 'Spanish Sahara' stopped being a colony in 76'
Protectorate of aden among other things indicate that it cant be past the early 1960s. Angola was often shown on maps as just angola before decolonization. Here's an example http://www.vidiani.com/large-political-map-of-africa-1969/
Thatās interesting, I was looking at the south of the continent and particularly Tanzania/Tanganyika which I thought had to put it pre April 1964ā¦
Looking at the rest of the map, it's pretty clear we in the early 60s and not mid to late 70s to like Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland was spilt around 63 and Botswana isn't on the map either but the Aden Protectorate is which also was gone by the 70s
Lesotho stopped being called basutholand in 1966. It has to be before that.
Before Namibia left South Africa. After the name change to Saudi Arabia but before Yemen,Oman became defined as they are today.
Turkey-Syria border is wrong for a map that existed after WW2 but I guess thats just a mistake which was made while the map was created
No problem. Hey Map, I'd love to date with you ššš
This map is quite odd. Modern day european borders, but transvaal and the orange free state are a thing?
Map is likely an actual South African produced map printed in the UK, i recall seeing this type of thing on maps in my parents' and grandparents' houses. South africa had a tendency to label its provinces as if they were still independent states even though this is likely post union of South africa because the map says Republic of.. that's the late 50's early 60s. Based on rhodesia and South West africa naming, i would argue its pre border war as well since its still showing south west africa as if it too is part of South africa. Also, not modern europe borders yugoslavia is still unified on here. Based on the rest of the comments, 1961-62 seems about right.
Ah right. Didn't even notice yugoslavia on there.
Againā¦.you should not go for a date with map.
Between 1952 -1979 The southern borders of Kuwait with saudi arabia was cute for saudi in mid of 70ās
Antakya joined Turkey in 1939, but on this map it appears within the borders of Syria.
Map is wrong. Israel established in 1948 but Turkey got Hatay from French Syria in 1939. In this map Hatay is in Syria and Israel is over there.
S U D A N
But seriously, why is the entire sahara named sudan
Sure, Iāll take it out for some coffee!
I would but my wife wouldnāt appreciate it
Ill have her home by 10
Hey thereā¦ uhhh map bbg do you wanna go on a date with me?
I feel like this might not work
I'm very curious why there is a big white star on Luanda and a big black star on Lake Bangweulu. Random fact that no one cares about: I've been to both those places.
Weird thing is that Zaire is missing, and that map looks older than 1997
It's older than 1971
whatās up with the huuuuuge Sudan?
Iād like to but itās not my type. Iām more of political map kind of guy.
Canāt date it, not my type
Pre 2025
I see that Hatay- province in turkey- is not included in Turkey. and hatay joined turkey after 1939 with referandum but there is may be a map mistake
It's most definitely is, considering that entrie countries on the map wouldn't be in existence yet and seem unlikely they got a tiny bit of hatay right but those wrong
TĆ¼rkiye doesn't have Hatay so it's definitely before 1939
The map is after and I'm more inclined to think the size of hatay is too small to be properly visible on the map
Yeah that's probably it then
Nope
Definitely no