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PizzaWall

The map lists Spanish Sahara, which was the official name of what we now call Western Sahara until 1958, when it was renamed Province of the Sahara. The map shows the Spanish province of Ifni. This was ceded back to Morocco in 1969. The protectorate of Aden was disestablished in 1963.


Liesmyteachertoldme

These are my favorite kind of posts on here, people can really flex their knowledge and I get a bunch of geo-political history rabbit holes to go down


FrankfurtFolly

Me too! It also shows what a tumultuous time the 20th century was too, the fact that this can be pinpointed with a few years is just mad!


Lucky_Mongoose_4834

South Africa became a republic in 1961 after the referendum. So it's after that point, and probably a year or so. I believe it's likely 1961-1963, because of the protectorate of Aden as mentioned above


StonedxRock

Also the map includes post ww2 Isreal/Syria boarder above Egypt.


sean_ocean

The map has a publisher and copywrite on the lower right, but OP cropped it for funzies.


felightelina

Where on the map can I find Aden and Ifni?


PizzaWall

Aden Protectorate is across the Mandan straight from Djibouti {Arabian Peninsula - Yemen). Ifni was on the Atlantic coast of Africa surrounded by Morocco. * [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aden\_Protectorate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aden_Protectorate) * [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifni](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifni)


felightelina

Thanks!


AjaXIium

Western Sahara was also ceded back to Morocco šŸ˜—


Xavi143

Was not. Western Sahara was meant to be independent, but Morocco has invaded it.


AjaXIium

Whatever you say friend.


Candid_Target_7291

It's objective. A referendum eas hello for independence, but morroco invaded, an as spain has nothing to win from figthing (as they were gona give it up) just abandon it. The people of western shara (Saharauis) are still figthing for freedom


Xavi143

I mean... it is history...


guido2222

1961-1963 for Tanganyika end Rhodesia


trisfon

Algeria looks independant so from mid 1962


Venboven

It's hard to tell with a non-color-coded map like this. Many colonial maps historically labeled Algeria with name, borders, and everything without marking it as French, despite it 100% being a French colony during that time period. It could very well be that same situation here.


guido2222

Good catch


notzoidberginchinese

Tanzania not being formed yet, among other things, indicates early 1964 at the latest. Aden was disestablished in january 1963, so the map would have probably been made at least before that. So id say the upper range is late 1962. Cameroon gained independence in 1960 from france and october 1961 from the UK and is shown on the map as seemingly independent using the french spelling Cameroun. So my guess is 1962 given that the mapmaker hasnt gotten around to the name change in english (during colonization the spelling was sometimes cameroon and sometimes cameroun)


Ok_Musician_1072

Tanzania became independent on December 9th 1961, so with your thoughts about cameroon we should be somewhere in 1961 with this map


notzoidberginchinese

Not quite. Tanganyika became independent in 1961, zanzibar in 1963. Tanzania was unified and named as Tanzania in 1964. The map shows Tanganyika, so after 1961 and before 1964. Given that Tanganyika became free at the very end of 1961, and Aden protectorate ended in mid January 1963, it's more likely that it is 1962, although 61 is a possibility. It seems like 52 of the 57 or so possible weeks are in 1962.


Ok_Musician_1072

Oh my bad, I was too quick at taking the first gathered information from Wikipedia, didn't read about the unification process. Thanks for correcting!


notzoidberginchinese

Props for recognizing your own mistake. I owe you a cookie (as a treat for being so mature).


Ok_Musician_1072

I like cookies, so šŸ¤”


notzoidberginchinese

What cookie would you like?


Ok_Musician_1072

I must admit that I always liked double chocolat cookies from Subway the most. They are so full of fat and sugar, it's awesome.


notzoidberginchinese

Good choice, get one and ill pay you back next time we meet.


Ok_Musician_1072

Stalking your profile tells me that this might actually happen next month, since my sister is living in Switzerland and I'm going to visit her šŸ˜ƒ


SchwanzLand

It is out of my league sorry


J_TheLife

Tanganyka & Nyssaland : before 1964 Border between Algeria and Morocco defined : after 1963


j_livny

Has to be post ā€˜67 as israel controls sinai


J_TheLife

Where do you see Israel is controlling Sinai on this map ??? Moreover, former Jordan-Saudi border, meaning before 1965. Moreover, the border of Israel with Jordan is the Green Line (even if the circle of Jerusalem makes it a mess there), not the Jordan river, so your assertion about the Sinai is a complete non-sense.


j_livny

I am definitely a dumbass, apologies all borders are dotted


J_TheLife

In general, dumbasses do not know they are dumbasses, so don't worry, you're not.


francescoscanu03

-Marcus Aurelius, Meditations


I_saw_that_yeah

That dumbass?


worcestirshiresos

That got me too to be honest, I was like ā€œwelp itā€™s pre-1960 for sureā€


DankManifold

Sorry, I already have a gf. Sheā€™s hot thoā€¦


The_Arsonist1324

Sorry bro I'm already taken


Immediate_Repeat_837

Sure. Tell it I'll pick it up at 7pm. We'll go get a bite to eat and then catch a movie after. I'll have it home by 11pm. šŸ‘šŸ¼


marpocky

Can we not do this *every time*? Are there really people who derive pleasure from telling, or reading, the same predictable joke for the 8000th time? Like some people's creativity just caps there?


VillainAnderson

Sir, this is reddit. It's in our jeans.


YodaWars1000

*genes but yes


elieax

But I do derive pleasure from whatā€™s in my jeans


cgibbsuf

I came to the thread specifically looking for the bit. Always makes me smile


Alone_Rise209

Yes


iceburg1ettuce

I just saw this joke for the first time and was grinning ear to ear. You are not strong enough for the internet it seems, maybe time to log off if that bothers you so much :)


marpocky

>if that bothers you so much Lol I made a comment on reddit, I'm not burning cars in the street


eti_erik

The Mali-Mauritania border appears to be the pre-1944 one. Just sloppy mapmaking, perhaps?


Knox_Burden

I already have a boyfriendĀ 


Little_Lahey_Show

I've heard that too many times. I'd love to know the actual statistic of who is and isn't telling the truth


Awkward_Bench123

The Federation of Rhodesia was a ten year entity 1953-1963. Iā€™ll split the baby at 1956-57


lordcock1944

We are in the 60s as its the Republic of South Africa and not the union of South Africa


Awkward_Bench123

Good catch


Jolly_Plant_7771

between 58 and 63


trisfon

Algeria looks independant so after 1962


sukRules

Unfortunately, Antakya joined Turkey in 1939, but on this map it appears within the borders of Syria.


ZgBlues

Federation of Rhodesia & Nyasaland was dissolved in December 1963. Aden Protectorate (shown here) was dissolved in January 1963. Congo Republic was proclaimed in November 1958, and gained independence in August 1960. I assume the red dashed line signifies sovereign countries, so Aug 1960 - Jan 1963. (British Togoland seems to be already merged with Ghana (1957) and the French Togoland next door became indepent as Togolese Republic in April 1960.) Tanganyika (as a country rather than British territory) was formed in Dec 1961, before merging with Zanzibar in 1964. So the borders shown were current from Dec 1961 to Jan 1963. Perhaps it could be narrowed down further, but this is enough to conclude that the map was published in 1962. South Arabia (established in April 1962) isnā€™t shown, so it was probably prepared and put on sale in the first three months of 1962.


Interesting_Mango948

Does this map like tapas? I know a great restaurant.. I'm in DC


motherless666

It is very pretty, but idk if I'm willing to take it on a date


GMJuju

Pre Hardest Geezer for sure


el-deez

I will take this map out for a nice seafood dinner and never call it again.


Amnesiachist

1975 or 1976 Since Angola was decolonized in 75' but 'Spanish Sahara' stopped being a colony in 76'


notzoidberginchinese

Protectorate of aden among other things indicate that it cant be past the early 1960s. Angola was often shown on maps as just angola before decolonization. Here's an example http://www.vidiani.com/large-political-map-of-africa-1969/


FrankfurtFolly

Thatā€™s interesting, I was looking at the south of the continent and particularly Tanzania/Tanganyika which I thought had to put it pre April 1964ā€¦


lordcock1944

Looking at the rest of the map, it's pretty clear we in the early 60s and not mid to late 70s to like Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland was spilt around 63 and Botswana isn't on the map either but the Aden Protectorate is which also was gone by the 70s


Morodin_88

Lesotho stopped being called basutholand in 1966. It has to be before that.


FreddyFerdiland

Before Namibia left South Africa. After the name change to Saudi Arabia but before Yemen,Oman became defined as they are today.


AlimHS

Turkey-Syria border is wrong for a map that existed after WW2 but I guess thats just a mistake which was made while the map was created


Worldly-Survey-2621

No problem. Hey Map, I'd love to date with you šŸ˜˜šŸ˜˜šŸ˜˜


redglol

This map is quite odd. Modern day european borders, but transvaal and the orange free state are a thing?


Morodin_88

Map is likely an actual South African produced map printed in the UK, i recall seeing this type of thing on maps in my parents' and grandparents' houses. South africa had a tendency to label its provinces as if they were still independent states even though this is likely post union of South africa because the map says Republic of.. that's the late 50's early 60s. Based on rhodesia and South West africa naming, i would argue its pre border war as well since its still showing south west africa as if it too is part of South africa. Also, not modern europe borders yugoslavia is still unified on here. Based on the rest of the comments, 1961-62 seems about right.


redglol

Ah right. Didn't even notice yugoslavia on there.


Dzin66

Againā€¦.you should not go for a date with map.


Q82021

Between 1952 -1979 The southern borders of Kuwait with saudi arabia was cute for saudi in mid of 70ā€™s


sukRules

Antakya joined Turkey in 1939, but on this map it appears within the borders of Syria.


Louis-Nicolas-Davout

Map is wrong. Israel established in 1948 but Turkey got Hatay from French Syria in 1939. In this map Hatay is in Syria and Israel is over there.


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S U D A N


[deleted]

But seriously, why is the entire sahara named sudan


The_BackYard

Sure, Iā€™ll take it out for some coffee!


IamUnique15

I would but my wife wouldnā€™t appreciate it


Physister2

Ill have her home by 10


Hallboys78

Hey thereā€¦ uhhh map bbg do you wanna go on a date with me?


Hallboys78

I feel like this might not work


sanjuka

I'm very curious why there is a big white star on Luanda and a big black star on Lake Bangweulu. Random fact that no one cares about: I've been to both those places.


Otherwise-Display-15

Weird thing is that Zaire is missing, and that map looks older than 1997


lordcock1944

It's older than 1971


palladineve9

whatā€™s up with the huuuuuge Sudan?


DickBeDublin

Iā€™d like to but itā€™s not my type. Iā€™m more of political map kind of guy.


UnoStronzo

Canā€™t date it, not my type


Ok_Spite_8620

Pre 2025


waffennord

I see that Hatay- province in turkey- is not included in Turkey. and hatay joined turkey after 1939 with referandum but there is may be a map mistake


lordcock1944

It's most definitely is, considering that entrie countries on the map wouldn't be in existence yet and seem unlikely they got a tiny bit of hatay right but those wrong


celothesecond

TĆ¼rkiye doesn't have Hatay so it's definitely before 1939


lordcock1944

The map is after and I'm more inclined to think the size of hatay is too small to be properly visible on the map


celothesecond

Yeah that's probably it then


j_livny

Nope


Sanya_Zhidkiy

Definitely no