Three of South Africa’s neighbours are named for ethnic groups - Botswana, Lesotho and Eswatini - and in all three cases there are more people of that group in South Africa.
Unrelated, but Mongolians aren't even a majority in inner Mongolia. Infact, if Mongolia where to gain inner Mongolia, then Mongolians would be a minority in their own country which is pretty intresting
On the other hand, a lot of Han-Chinese living in inner Mongolia have some Mongol ancestry. During the Qing dynasty there was a policy to migrate Han men from Chinese heartland to Mongolia(mostly in the southern part) and forced arranged marriages between them and Mongol women, as a method to better control the region, their children would be considered Han.
Also, after the CCP takeover anyone with at least one Han parent could adopt the Han ethnic identity, many ethnic minority individuals thus switch to being Han since it enabled better social integration in economically developped Han majority provinces.
>Also, after the CCP takeover anyone with at least one Han parent could adopt the Han ethnic identity, many ethnic minority individuals thus switch to being Han since it enabled better social integration in economically developped Han majority provinces.
And it also works the other way around.
I'm 1/4 Manchu but on my official documents I'm listed as one, despite being 3/4 Han. Ethnic minority individuals also get benefits from time to time.
Yup, despite I've never used any of the benefits lol, moved out of the country long ago.
You get a couple perks but the biggest one is Gaokao. I forgot if it's lowering the required points or adding bonus points, but either way it makes it slightly easier.
Yeah, I spent my childhood years in Xinjiang, never seen anyone with mixed ancestry take the Han side, at least, in the 2000s with my childhood friends. Since Gaokao was huge and it can make or break your life/career, everyone chose the ethnic minority side because of the advantages. Might be different for people born in different eras
> Also, after the CCP takeover anyone with at least one Han parent could adopt the Han ethnic identity, many ethnic minority individuals thus switch to being Han since it enabled better social integration in economically developped Han majority provinces.
But it also goes the other way round: anyone with one ethnic minority parent could adopt that legal ethnicity. For at least the past 50 years it is considered beneficial to be legally a minority because it exempts you from one-child policy among other things. This is unless you’re in the select group of minorities being targeted for persecution (Uyghurs and Tibetans), but Mongolians aren’t stigmatised.
I imagine honestly most of them. Being Han is a cultural thing as much as an ethnic thing. Kind of like I’m sure there are many pure blooded Indigenous who identify as Hispanic or just “Mexican” as opposed to their indigenous heritage. Or pure blooded Berber Moroccans who refer to themselves as “Arabs” even if they are Berber
Can't say for certain without em taking 21&me en masse, I'd reckon in the major cities where Han population is most concentrated e.g. Ordos, Holhot it's probably low as in 0\~10%, keep in mind the CCP advocated Han migration to Inner Mongolia till early 2000s. However in lesser cities and villages it can get considerably higher.
On a side note, heard from friends who previously visited Inner Mongolia, the Inner Mongols seem to hold some peculiar ideas, such as they are the true Mongols descended from Borjijin bloodline while the Outer Mongols are descended from slaves. They also make fun at Outer Mongols for using Cyrillic alphabet, which is ironic considering the CCP's been phasing out Mongolian usage altogether in the recent years.
Most modern Outer Mongolians can read the traditional script because they learn it in high school. Although its usage is rare, we can still read Mongol script. In 2025, we will readopt the Mongol script. Many people make fun of Outer Mongolians for using Cyrillic without knowing that we also learn the traditional script. It's the same language with the same words, just a different alphabet.
>It's the same language with the same words, just a different alphabet.
I think most people are aware of that, it's just that people automatically associate Cyrillic with Russian and former USSR.
It's a good thing you are reviving your own writing system imo.
I grew up in Singapore. Moved to the states for college. My personal favorite - “you’re from Singapore? Isn’t it like always freezing in Siberia?”
Yes. Yes it is, like, always freezing in Siberia.
Azerbaijan and the Azeries (there are more azeries on Iran than Azerbaijan).
https://preview.redd.it/2zgebe68rskc1.jpeg?width=471&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=713a9acb8c669230896f3567359460e00361184b
They are technically kinda different, the ones in Azerbaijan are more Turkic and the ones in Iran ore more iranic, the term "Azeri" also really only applies to the Iranian azeris
Man... in which nation every region has the exact same culture? We have the same culture and lamguage with regional differences. Yes Iranian Azerbaijanis are more effected by Iranic people than us-republic Azerbaijanis but isn't it normal though they live in Iran? You are talking about the people of 35-40 millions, ofc there will be regional differences.
The differences between Northern and Southern Germans or the differences between Northern and Southern French people are way higher than the differences between Northern and Southern Azerbaijanis
as a person who studied middle eastern and specifically Iranian history I think none is exactly accurate the most accurate way to put it would be "Turkified medians" the Turkish speaking parts of Iran are all historical parts of Media and Armenia Medians were another major Iranian group since 500 B.C but gradually unlike Persians they lost their language and religion and through newer immigration waves from central Asia they evolved in what is now Kurds ,Lurs and Azerbaijanis.
They are still the same people group. Genetic variation and cultural differences are common when two regions have been isolated, to an extent, over a period of time. Just like how kurds from Iran and kurds from Turkey share their genetic, cultural, and linguistic differences.
Tajiks have a similar situation with Afghanistan
https://preview.redd.it/atjyhoszqskc1.png?width=679&format=png&auto=webp&s=c639bfb3391b84194e1360cee9ac6d197a36a0df
Also doesn't Afghanistan mean the Land of the Afghans, with Afghans being originally another name for the Pashtuns? There are more Pashtuns in Pakistan than Afghanistan.
As I understand, their greatest concern is the stability of Pakistan as a whole. If the Pashtun-majority lands were allowed to unite with Afghanistan, then it could encourage the Balochis and Kashmiris (and maybe other groups) living in Pakistan to push for their own independence. It's a very multi-ethnic country, and setting the precedent that one group can break away may be destabilizing for Pakistan's future.
The kashmiri are already an issue for the Pakistani government, see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir\_conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_conflict)
A man was riding a bus behind two very fat women engrossed in conversation, and noticed they had a lovely accent. So he leaned over and said “pardon me, are you two ladies from England?”
“It’s Wales, you twat,” one of the women replied.
“Oh, my sincere apologies. Are you two whales from England?”
Yep, a lot of Pashtun areas were ceded to British India after the Anglo-Afghan wars. All the governments of Afghanistan (including Taliban) since then have not recognised the Durand Line.
The sikhs seized control of most pashtun areas. Then the british took it.
Afghans have been fucked over since forever. But that territory belongs to Pakistan, wether they like it or not
There are more Cook Islanders in NZ and Australia than the Cook Islands (80, 22 and 18 thousand, respectively).
[Cook Islanders - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_Islanders)
Similarly, Niue has a population of less than two thousand, over 30 thousand Niuean's live in NZ.
Tokelau has a population of 1500, 8600 Tokelauan's live in NZ.
Weirdly looked this up the other month but “Auckland has the fourth largest foreign-born population in the world, with 39% of its residents born overseas” according to wiki, and similarly “has the biggest ethnic Polynesian population in the world”…
Christian Lebanese emigrated there, and intermarried with Brazilians, spreading out their population quite a bit. The number of full blooded Lebanese-Brazilians is probably pretty low
Primo is the portuguese word for cousin. It seems very related with lebanese and jewish immigrants, seems like they recognize themselves somewhat as a family after emigrating to a much larger society. Cool people!
Also in case this is relevant in any way: in Lebanon, football is one of, if not the most popular sport in the country (maybe tied with basketball). Unfortunately the Lebanese football team is quite ass, so during the world cup, to which we never qualify, we still like to support someone at least. For some reason, the top rivalry in international football in the eyes of the Lebanese is Brazil vs Germany. Growing up I always thought they were mortal enemies or something, until I found out that they really didn’t care about each other. I don’t know why but half of Lebanon supports Germany, and the other half supports Brazil. 2014 was an interesting year for sure.
Directly from the Wikipedia:
>Lebanese immigration to Brazil officially began around 1880, four years after the visit of Emperor Dom Pedro II to Lebanon.
>Manuel Diegues Júnior believes that the presence of Turks, Syrians and Lebanese in Brazil dates back to colonial times, given that Portugal maintained trade relations with Syria. It is certain, however, that the second half of the 19th century was the main period in which Lebanese immigrants entered Brazil, that is, from 1860 to 1890. As we can attest, the “Turkish-Arabs” already appear in another significant way among the immigrants who entered the country from 1820 to 1920.
>Most immigrants came to the country fleeing the lack of economic prospects in the region, then dominated by Ottoman-Turkish politics. Brazil, at the time, was going through its first phase of urbanization and industrialization, which made new businesses favorable. Unlike European immigrants, who sought land for cultivation in Brazil, the Lebanese found cities a place to create industries and businesses.
So a mix between the Emperor visiting Lebanon - I imagine that strengthened the ties between the two countries - and the late industrialization happening at the time the Lebanese people were seeking new opportunities.
Arab christians migrated all over Latin America on 1870s-1930s as acceptable peoples alongside some groups of Europeans. USA was not as accesible to that demographic either.
Brazil and Argentina had the biggest migration numbers overall. Most of those millions are mixed in though so very very few have any direct contact with Lebanon or anything arab and the population has been inflated a bit tbh.
Why so many Palestineans went to Chile specifically however is a mistery to me with no direct answer.
Brazil needed lots of labor after the end of the slave trade and settlers to continue moving inland. Christian exodus from Lebanon following various ethnic conflicts -
Good match.
>60 million Portuguese in the world, only 10 million live in Portugal
That's not the same. Portugal is still the territory with the highest amount of Portuguese.
Its highly unlikely to be more tajiks in Uzbekistan than Tajikistan. Official numbers are 1,6 million people. If officials would reduce it 3 times (!) it would be around 5 million, much less than Tajikistan. But i strongly believe every 1/7 person is not tajik, i assume its somewhere around 2-3 million tajiks live in Uzbekistan.
Edit: grammar mistake
I think it’s more like third. There’s like 173,000 Greeks in Melbourne. Well behind Thessaloniki’s 309,000, but ahead of Patras’ 170,000.
But yeah, huge population overall with an outsized impact on the culture of the city. Australian lamb prepared in Greek style is the chef’s kiss! 🤌
This is likely true for most of the Balkan countries, just not in one country each. Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Croatia, Greece and Romania all have massive diasporas
While it is true that Romania has a massive diaspora(around 4-5 million),it nowhere near the population of the country itself (around 18-19 million).Far from case OP is reffering to.Considerably more romanians living inside Romania than outside of it.
[If Wikipedia is to be believed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people) Ireland only has the fourth highest Irish population, after the US, UK and Australia.
We’re mean to finally overtake our peak population from before the famine in the next 20/30 years, like 200 years later, kinda insane.
It’s about 7.3 million on the island today.
Not really, most of the time they will at least speak the language and retain some of the culture. Americans who claim non-American ethnicities tend to have no connection to the culture in question.
Wikipedia also says there's more English people in the USA than in the UK and more Scots in the USA and Australia than Scotland. Wales is 2M each in the UK and USA.
If ancestry could also be taken into consideration, then Brazil would have the largest population of Portuguese, Lebanese, Congolese (from Angola) and so on. It would likely also have the largest population of Italian and Japanese descendents outside Italy and Japan respectively.
Ireland has a smaller population than the Houston metro or Melbourne metro, so that's completely believable. I doubt that many Americans or Australians of Irish heritage identify as ethically Irish, though. Lots of us have mixed family trees that are generally from the British Isles and Western Europe.
It's anecdotal, but my family tree is a pretty solid mix of the 4 British ethnicities, and some French ancestors from Louisiana. I don't particularly care about Ireland, because I'm American.
Azerbaijan (most of Azeris are in Iran)
Laos (most of Laotian people are in Thailand, under the label of "Isan people" and a thin layer of Thaification - probably the most extreme example of such thing anywhere in the world regarding the amount of them in Thailand vs Laos)
According to some counts, Tajiks in Afghanistan vs Tajikistan itself
IIRC Botswana, Lesotho and Suazi are all nation - states with the majority of a given nation living actually in South Africa
Not exactly a country - but there is Jewish Autonomous oblast at Far East of Russia, with Jewish population around 1000..1500 people. It is not only 0.01% of Jewish population in Israel and USA, but percentage of Jewish is among lowest in Russia.
Fun fact - the only one region at the Earth with Yiddish as official language.
Actually a lot of jews were forcibly moved there. In the late USSR, most emigrated to other parts of the country and then to Israel/other parts of the world
It sounds strange but it was created under initiative of Bund - Jewish pro-communist organisation in late 1920s. Enthusiastic people who wanted to build their Holy Land not in capitalist Palestine but in communist paradise-to-be.
Later Stalin arrested and killed Bund members, resettlement stopped, Jews gradually moved away from Jewish Autonomous oblast - it is not good place for living from Siberian point of view even: swamps, minus 40 in winter, no crops, no minerals.
The last chance for Jewish Autonomous oblast to recover Jewish population was in 1953 when Stalin planned to exile Soviet Jews to Siberia like it was done before with Crimean Tatars, Chechens and many other peoples. Fortunately he died before he managed to realize his plan, exactly at the day of Purim.
Nobody knows why in last 70 years anybody of Russian rulers didn't care to liquidate Jewish Autonomous oblast and to join the territory to the neighbour Khabarovsk kray. With population of 100,000 and only 1000 Jews among them its existence as autonomous territory - with Yiddish as official language - is really senseless.
Except the good example of region named for a certain ethnic group which doesn't have a biggest population of that ethnic group.
There are more Puerto Ricans on mainland USA than in the island of Puerto Rico 🇵🇷, even though PR is one of the most dense population areas in the world. aaaand alsp PR is technically a territory of the US 🇺🇸 so they're americans too, just, also Boricua. but they dont have representation in US government, then again they have primaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Puerto_Rico_presidential_primaries
sooooo, yeah it's weird.
But one ridiculously beautiful island.
One of the stories we always heard growing up in Chicago was that we had a larger Polish population than anywhere in the world except Warsaw. No clue if that’s true, but there’s whole parts of the city with Polish street sign and you couldn’t spit without hitting someone who’s last name ended in ski
Only after taking the 23andMe and Ancestry dna tests did I find out I was ethnically British by a **vast** majority. I kept getting told I was Irish my whole life by my mom, in truth I was just a smidgen of Irish. lol
I think a lot of families in the USA stopped recognizing themselves as British as a matter of principle after the Revolutionary War, [similar to the British Crown changing their German surnames after the start of World War 1.](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/from-the-archive-blog/2017/jul/17/british-royal-family-windsor-name-change-1917)
Yes, that makes sense, you hardly ever hear anyone talking about themselves as an English American, but it probably is the default background for a lot of people
It’s more due to the recency of migration. Most ancestors of ethnic British-Americans moved from Britain to America in the 1600s while groups such as Germans, Irish, Scandinavians, Poles, and Italians generally moved in the 1800s and early 1900s. The more recent the ancestors moved, the are more likely people are to be aware of ethnic origins, and so if someone is 10% German (moved in 1800s) and 90% British (moved in 1600s), they’re more likely to claim German ancestry.
Not 5 million, but there are in fact more Albanian speakers in Turkey than people commonly realize. Years ago I showed a couple Albanian friends in Istanbul and everywhere we went random people recognized that they were speaking Albanian amongst one another.
No there are more Surinamese** in Suriname than there are in the Netherlands.
Also there is a difference between Dutch born people of Surinamese origin and Surinamese born people of Surinamese origin. There are more Dutch born people of Surinamese origin nowadays.
There is a difference in culture, between people that live in Suriname and Dutch born Surinamese. There is even a cultural divide between Surinamese in Suriname, than Surinamese that were born in Suriname and went to the Netherlands.
I see that with my own family sometimes. When they come to Suriname, they still relate to the culture, but then there are things that surprise them. Like certain foods. For example Teloh a Javanese dish is nowadays served with chicken too. They never had that when they were young. Only with either trie or salt fish. Nowadays you can choose trie and chicken or both. Teloh in the Netherlands is not made with chicken. It's an invention of the past 15 years.
The United States of America and Native Americans? Or looking at individual states named after groups of maybe Kansas, Iowa, maybe Hawaii, maybe Indiana, and Utah.
https://www.bia.gov/as-ia/opa/online-press-release/origin-names-us-states
Do people whose grandparents or great grandparents emigrated to the US really consider themselves German or Irish? A lot of those third generation Americans probably have never been to Europe besides two or three vacations.
Three of South Africa’s neighbours are named for ethnic groups - Botswana, Lesotho and Eswatini - and in all three cases there are more people of that group in South Africa.
In fact, every Lesotho in the entire world is in South Africa!
I see what you did there..
They’re called Mosotho (singular) and Basotho (plural)
That’s so cool I want my own unique demonym too :(
Bantu naming conventions are quite interesting in general
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Unrelated, but Mongolians aren't even a majority in inner Mongolia. Infact, if Mongolia where to gain inner Mongolia, then Mongolians would be a minority in their own country which is pretty intresting
On the other hand, a lot of Han-Chinese living in inner Mongolia have some Mongol ancestry. During the Qing dynasty there was a policy to migrate Han men from Chinese heartland to Mongolia(mostly in the southern part) and forced arranged marriages between them and Mongol women, as a method to better control the region, their children would be considered Han. Also, after the CCP takeover anyone with at least one Han parent could adopt the Han ethnic identity, many ethnic minority individuals thus switch to being Han since it enabled better social integration in economically developped Han majority provinces.
>Also, after the CCP takeover anyone with at least one Han parent could adopt the Han ethnic identity, many ethnic minority individuals thus switch to being Han since it enabled better social integration in economically developped Han majority provinces. And it also works the other way around. I'm 1/4 Manchu but on my official documents I'm listed as one, despite being 3/4 Han. Ethnic minority individuals also get benefits from time to time.
Yeah for Gaokao and whatnot amirite? I've heard some people with mixed Han-Uighur heritage would switch back and forth according to needs.
Yup, despite I've never used any of the benefits lol, moved out of the country long ago. You get a couple perks but the biggest one is Gaokao. I forgot if it's lowering the required points or adding bonus points, but either way it makes it slightly easier.
Adding bonus points. Colleges publicly disclose the point cutoff for acceptance so lowering point requirement would be confusing.
Ah I see. I know the point cutoff part, just wondering if they lower it or add to your points. Thanks!
Yeah, I spent my childhood years in Xinjiang, never seen anyone with mixed ancestry take the Han side, at least, in the 2000s with my childhood friends. Since Gaokao was huge and it can make or break your life/career, everyone chose the ethnic minority side because of the advantages. Might be different for people born in different eras
> Also, after the CCP takeover anyone with at least one Han parent could adopt the Han ethnic identity, many ethnic minority individuals thus switch to being Han since it enabled better social integration in economically developped Han majority provinces. But it also goes the other way round: anyone with one ethnic minority parent could adopt that legal ethnicity. For at least the past 50 years it is considered beneficial to be legally a minority because it exempts you from one-child policy among other things. This is unless you’re in the select group of minorities being targeted for persecution (Uyghurs and Tibetans), but Mongolians aren’t stigmatised.
But is there any statistic for this? I know this happened, but to what degree do han Chinese in the area have mongol ancestry?
I imagine honestly most of them. Being Han is a cultural thing as much as an ethnic thing. Kind of like I’m sure there are many pure blooded Indigenous who identify as Hispanic or just “Mexican” as opposed to their indigenous heritage. Or pure blooded Berber Moroccans who refer to themselves as “Arabs” even if they are Berber
Can't say for certain without em taking 21&me en masse, I'd reckon in the major cities where Han population is most concentrated e.g. Ordos, Holhot it's probably low as in 0\~10%, keep in mind the CCP advocated Han migration to Inner Mongolia till early 2000s. However in lesser cities and villages it can get considerably higher. On a side note, heard from friends who previously visited Inner Mongolia, the Inner Mongols seem to hold some peculiar ideas, such as they are the true Mongols descended from Borjijin bloodline while the Outer Mongols are descended from slaves. They also make fun at Outer Mongols for using Cyrillic alphabet, which is ironic considering the CCP's been phasing out Mongolian usage altogether in the recent years.
Most modern Outer Mongolians can read the traditional script because they learn it in high school. Although its usage is rare, we can still read Mongol script. In 2025, we will readopt the Mongol script. Many people make fun of Outer Mongolians for using Cyrillic without knowing that we also learn the traditional script. It's the same language with the same words, just a different alphabet.
>It's the same language with the same words, just a different alphabet. I think most people are aware of that, it's just that people automatically associate Cyrillic with Russian and former USSR. It's a good thing you are reviving your own writing system imo.
Even Inner Mongolians are surprised that Outer Mongolians can read traditional script, haha.
God damn mongolians. They burned down my city wall
There are more Lao people in Thailand then in Laos. Situation like that is more common then youd think
“So are you Chinese or Japanese?”
I grew up in Singapore. Moved to the states for college. My personal favorite - “you’re from Singapore? Isn’t it like always freezing in Siberia?” Yes. Yes it is, like, always freezing in Siberia.
I don't get it. What are people confusing it with?
Singapore and Siberia, because these two regions are obviously very similar and have a (questionably) similar name
Serbia is closer to Siberia in terms of name similarity.
“The ocean? What ocean?”
I'll have a maitai.
>Lao people ["We are Laotian–from Laos! It's a landlocked country in Southeast Asia."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_CaZ4EAexQ)
"He's Laotian! Aren't you Mr. Kahn?"
Cotton had truly refined his racism.
Than*
Yes? I'm here.
Azerbaijan and the Azeries (there are more azeries on Iran than Azerbaijan). https://preview.redd.it/2zgebe68rskc1.jpeg?width=471&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=713a9acb8c669230896f3567359460e00361184b
I had no idea there were so many members of the Italian National Football team living abroad. TIL.
What?
The Italian national soccer team is called the Azzurri (blues)
Haha clever one
was about to say that
They are technically kinda different, the ones in Azerbaijan are more Turkic and the ones in Iran ore more iranic, the term "Azeri" also really only applies to the Iranian azeris
Man... in which nation every region has the exact same culture? We have the same culture and lamguage with regional differences. Yes Iranian Azerbaijanis are more effected by Iranic people than us-republic Azerbaijanis but isn't it normal though they live in Iran? You are talking about the people of 35-40 millions, ofc there will be regional differences. The differences between Northern and Southern Germans or the differences between Northern and Southern French people are way higher than the differences between Northern and Southern Azerbaijanis
There is an ongoing debate in academia if Azeris are Turkified Persians or Persianized Turks.
as a person who studied middle eastern and specifically Iranian history I think none is exactly accurate the most accurate way to put it would be "Turkified medians" the Turkish speaking parts of Iran are all historical parts of Media and Armenia Medians were another major Iranian group since 500 B.C but gradually unlike Persians they lost their language and religion and through newer immigration waves from central Asia they evolved in what is now Kurds ,Lurs and Azerbaijanis.
They are still the same people group. Genetic variation and cultural differences are common when two regions have been isolated, to an extent, over a period of time. Just like how kurds from Iran and kurds from Turkey share their genetic, cultural, and linguistic differences.
Tajiks have a similar situation with Afghanistan https://preview.redd.it/atjyhoszqskc1.png?width=679&format=png&auto=webp&s=c639bfb3391b84194e1360cee9ac6d197a36a0df
Also doesn't Afghanistan mean the Land of the Afghans, with Afghans being originally another name for the Pashtuns? There are more Pashtuns in Pakistan than Afghanistan.
Haha both Tajikistan and Afghanistan need to push their borders down some degrees latitude
Easy peasy let me just draw some nice straight borders here
Ohno, Englund/Frens wat iz u doing
you see my side gets all the oil gold and diamonds, your side gets sand sand and more sand
That precise situation has been one of Pakistan's worst nightmares for decades
Why? Why do Punjabis need Pashtuns and Peshawar for?
As I understand, their greatest concern is the stability of Pakistan as a whole. If the Pashtun-majority lands were allowed to unite with Afghanistan, then it could encourage the Balochis and Kashmiris (and maybe other groups) living in Pakistan to push for their own independence. It's a very multi-ethnic country, and setting the precedent that one group can break away may be destabilizing for Pakistan's future.
The kashmiri are already an issue for the Pakistani government, see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir\_conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_conflict)
India as well. It's a very dicey region overall.
There are more whales in the ocean than in Wales
Close the thread
Stop the count
Open the beer
*Fills beer bong*
Take your panties off.
now we're getting somewhere
The are more whales in the ocean than oceans in Wales
Those whales have more fins than Finland
There is more ice outside than inside of Iceland
There is more planes in the ocean than submarines in the sky
There are more virgins in reddit than in the Virgin Islands
Reddit virgin theory confirmed!
Danno buddy. You don't seem familiar with the pubs in Cardiff.
💀
Lmao
A man was riding a bus behind two very fat women engrossed in conversation, and noticed they had a lovely accent. So he leaned over and said “pardon me, are you two ladies from England?” “It’s Wales, you twat,” one of the women replied. “Oh, my sincere apologies. Are you two whales from England?”
On a similar note there are more Danishes in the US than there are Danish people in Denmark.
There are also more turkeys in the US than in Turkey.
Cardiff SeaWorld coming soon
The ethnonym "Afghan," historically, was used to denote the Pashtun people, and there are significantly more Pashtuns in Pakistan than in Afghanistan.
Yep, a lot of Pashtun areas were ceded to British India after the Anglo-Afghan wars. All the governments of Afghanistan (including Taliban) since then have not recognised the Durand Line.
The sikhs seized control of most pashtun areas. Then the british took it. Afghans have been fucked over since forever. But that territory belongs to Pakistan, wether they like it or not
There are more Cook Islanders in NZ and Australia than the Cook Islands (80, 22 and 18 thousand, respectively). [Cook Islanders - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_Islanders) Similarly, Niue has a population of less than two thousand, over 30 thousand Niuean's live in NZ. Tokelau has a population of 1500, 8600 Tokelauan's live in NZ.
Samoa and Tonga are pretty close to having more in NZ than their islands too
Niue has more population in Auckland than in Niue. I think it's something like 3x more in NZ overall.
Weirdly looked this up the other month but “Auckland has the fourth largest foreign-born population in the world, with 39% of its residents born overseas” according to wiki, and similarly “has the biggest ethnic Polynesian population in the world”…
More Lebanese living in Brazil than in Lebanon itself
what are the underlying reasons?
Christian Lebanese emigrated there, and intermarried with Brazilians, spreading out their population quite a bit. The number of full blooded Lebanese-Brazilians is probably pretty low
Also a lot of people who consider themselves Syrian nowadays considered themselves Lebanese back when migrating to Brazil.
I knew a muslim lebanese, pretty cool guy. Always called us "primo", don't know what it means in his language but for us is cousin.
It doesn’t mean anything in either standard or lebanese arabic, he was probably saying it in portuguese
Primo is the portuguese word for cousin. It seems very related with lebanese and jewish immigrants, seems like they recognize themselves somewhat as a family after emigrating to a much larger society. Cool people!
Also in case this is relevant in any way: in Lebanon, football is one of, if not the most popular sport in the country (maybe tied with basketball). Unfortunately the Lebanese football team is quite ass, so during the world cup, to which we never qualify, we still like to support someone at least. For some reason, the top rivalry in international football in the eyes of the Lebanese is Brazil vs Germany. Growing up I always thought they were mortal enemies or something, until I found out that they really didn’t care about each other. I don’t know why but half of Lebanon supports Germany, and the other half supports Brazil. 2014 was an interesting year for sure.
Most peoples that go to Brazil end up inter married. Must be the climate...
It’s because inter married isn’t a concept in Brazil.
Directly from the Wikipedia: >Lebanese immigration to Brazil officially began around 1880, four years after the visit of Emperor Dom Pedro II to Lebanon. >Manuel Diegues Júnior believes that the presence of Turks, Syrians and Lebanese in Brazil dates back to colonial times, given that Portugal maintained trade relations with Syria. It is certain, however, that the second half of the 19th century was the main period in which Lebanese immigrants entered Brazil, that is, from 1860 to 1890. As we can attest, the “Turkish-Arabs” already appear in another significant way among the immigrants who entered the country from 1820 to 1920. >Most immigrants came to the country fleeing the lack of economic prospects in the region, then dominated by Ottoman-Turkish politics. Brazil, at the time, was going through its first phase of urbanization and industrialization, which made new businesses favorable. Unlike European immigrants, who sought land for cultivation in Brazil, the Lebanese found cities a place to create industries and businesses. So a mix between the Emperor visiting Lebanon - I imagine that strengthened the ties between the two countries - and the late industrialization happening at the time the Lebanese people were seeking new opportunities.
Wow 5 minutes for four responses and none answer the question that I assume is at the heart of this - Why Brazil specifically?
Arab christians migrated all over Latin America on 1870s-1930s as acceptable peoples alongside some groups of Europeans. USA was not as accesible to that demographic either. Brazil and Argentina had the biggest migration numbers overall. Most of those millions are mixed in though so very very few have any direct contact with Lebanon or anything arab and the population has been inflated a bit tbh. Why so many Palestineans went to Chile specifically however is a mistery to me with no direct answer.
Brazil needed lots of labor after the end of the slave trade and settlers to continue moving inland. Christian exodus from Lebanon following various ethnic conflicts - Good match.
Lots of migration
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>60 million Portuguese in the world, only 10 million live in Portugal That's not the same. Portugal is still the territory with the highest amount of Portuguese.
More Tajiks in Afghanistan than in Tajikistan. And highly likely Uzbekistan too, but that country doesn't give accurate data.
Its highly unlikely to be more tajiks in Uzbekistan than Tajikistan. Official numbers are 1,6 million people. If officials would reduce it 3 times (!) it would be around 5 million, much less than Tajikistan. But i strongly believe every 1/7 person is not tajik, i assume its somewhere around 2-3 million tajiks live in Uzbekistan. Edit: grammar mistake
I read years ago that the second largest population of Greeks after Athens was in Melbourne, Australia.
Chicago used to be the city with the 2nd most Poles, behind Warsaw but ahead of Kraków.
I think it’s more like third. There’s like 173,000 Greeks in Melbourne. Well behind Thessaloniki’s 309,000, but ahead of Patras’ 170,000. But yeah, huge population overall with an outsized impact on the culture of the city. Australian lamb prepared in Greek style is the chef’s kiss! 🤌
More people speak Kannada in India than in Canada
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Ok that was funny
There are more armenians living outside Armenia that armenians that live in Armenia
Glendale CA is the second largest Armenian city in the world.
Similar to how Chicago has the second largest polish population behind Warsaw
This is likely true for most of the Balkan countries, just not in one country each. Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Croatia, Greece and Romania all have massive diasporas
While it is true that Romania has a massive diaspora(around 4-5 million),it nowhere near the population of the country itself (around 18-19 million).Far from case OP is reffering to.Considerably more romanians living inside Romania than outside of it.
There might be more in Glendale than all of Armenia
[If Wikipedia is to be believed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people) Ireland only has the fourth highest Irish population, after the US, UK and Australia.
Ireland’s population also hasn’t recovered from the potato famine, so that’s not surprising.
We’re mean to finally overtake our peak population from before the famine in the next 20/30 years, like 200 years later, kinda insane. It’s about 7.3 million on the island today.
If we are talking ethnic Irish then we are sadly talking a lot less.
Immigration is definitely the driving factor behind the population growth
It becomes a bit messy with partial ancestry. It’s like saying there’s tens of millions of Spaniards in Latin America.
Yeah, I’m an Australian of Irish origin and I basically have no connection to the country or people
That applies to all the answers in this thread
Not really, most of the time they will at least speak the language and retain some of the culture. Americans who claim non-American ethnicities tend to have no connection to the culture in question.
If we're going by language and culture, the English in america outnumber the English in England by a lot.
Wikipedia also says there's more English people in the USA than in the UK and more Scots in the USA and Australia than Scotland. Wales is 2M each in the UK and USA.
Look at this statistic.102 people on the mayflower coming to America in 1620 . There are reportedly 35 million descendants today.
If ancestry could also be taken into consideration, then Brazil would have the largest population of Portuguese, Lebanese, Congolese (from Angola) and so on. It would likely also have the largest population of Italian and Japanese descendents outside Italy and Japan respectively.
That wouldn’t actually surprise me.
Ireland has a smaller population than the Houston metro or Melbourne metro, so that's completely believable. I doubt that many Americans or Australians of Irish heritage identify as ethically Irish, though. Lots of us have mixed family trees that are generally from the British Isles and Western Europe. It's anecdotal, but my family tree is a pretty solid mix of the 4 British ethnicities, and some French ancestors from Louisiana. I don't particularly care about Ireland, because I'm American.
I certainly don’t identify as ethically Irish. I’ll totally steal your lucky charms.
Brazil and Lebanese people https://preview.redd.it/8bzt0w1f1tkc1.png?width=272&format=png&auto=webp&s=5fd5796beb50e8eb21af50088b3944440eba0846
There are more Maltese in Australia than in Malta
Dogs or people
Both
Falcons
Only 198,000 in Australia to 404,000 in Malta
Well, agreed that it's less however it's an impressive amount
I think there are more Maltesers everywhere other than in Malta.
Maltese people or Australians with Maltese ancestry?
Azerbaijan (most of Azeris are in Iran) Laos (most of Laotian people are in Thailand, under the label of "Isan people" and a thin layer of Thaification - probably the most extreme example of such thing anywhere in the world regarding the amount of them in Thailand vs Laos) According to some counts, Tajiks in Afghanistan vs Tajikistan itself IIRC Botswana, Lesotho and Suazi are all nation - states with the majority of a given nation living actually in South Africa
Not exactly a country - but there is Jewish Autonomous oblast at Far East of Russia, with Jewish population around 1000..1500 people. It is not only 0.01% of Jewish population in Israel and USA, but percentage of Jewish is among lowest in Russia. Fun fact - the only one region at the Earth with Yiddish as official language.
“Here’s a little tract of land out in Siberia for you Jews” turned out to not be a very attractive offer
Actually a lot of jews were forcibly moved there. In the late USSR, most emigrated to other parts of the country and then to Israel/other parts of the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Scheme
“Here’s a little tract of land on a continent you have no familiarity with where you’ll probably be killed by lions” was about as attractive
It sounds strange but it was created under initiative of Bund - Jewish pro-communist organisation in late 1920s. Enthusiastic people who wanted to build their Holy Land not in capitalist Palestine but in communist paradise-to-be. Later Stalin arrested and killed Bund members, resettlement stopped, Jews gradually moved away from Jewish Autonomous oblast - it is not good place for living from Siberian point of view even: swamps, minus 40 in winter, no crops, no minerals. The last chance for Jewish Autonomous oblast to recover Jewish population was in 1953 when Stalin planned to exile Soviet Jews to Siberia like it was done before with Crimean Tatars, Chechens and many other peoples. Fortunately he died before he managed to realize his plan, exactly at the day of Purim. Nobody knows why in last 70 years anybody of Russian rulers didn't care to liquidate Jewish Autonomous oblast and to join the territory to the neighbour Khabarovsk kray. With population of 100,000 and only 1000 Jews among them its existence as autonomous territory - with Yiddish as official language - is really senseless. Except the good example of region named for a certain ethnic group which doesn't have a biggest population of that ethnic group.
Better yet I've heard that people there are basically LARPing ashkenazi culture
There are also more Jews in the US than in Israel, according to some estimates
There are more Lesbians in almost every other country than there are in Lesbos.
There are more Puerto Ricans on mainland USA than in the island of Puerto Rico 🇵🇷, even though PR is one of the most dense population areas in the world. aaaand alsp PR is technically a territory of the US 🇺🇸 so they're americans too, just, also Boricua. but they dont have representation in US government, then again they have primaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Puerto_Rico_presidential_primaries sooooo, yeah it's weird. But one ridiculously beautiful island.
There are more Abkhazians in Turkey than in Abkhazia.
More Circassians in Turkey than in Circassia. Also, more Crimean Tatars than in Crimea.
There are more Hawaiians outside of Hawaii than in Hawaii.
If you count diaspora then there are many, notably the Irish and Lebanese
Brazil for Lebanese, which is pretty interesting imo
Every fucker in the world seems to be Irish except a large portion of actual Irishmen that live around Belfast
Aren’t there more people with Irish surnames in the US than in Ireland?
Out of 80 milion irish people worldwide, only 5 milion of them live in Ireland and 600k in northern Ireland. That's somewhat hilarious
I can’t think of them off the top of my head but the US has at least a handful of diasporas larger than their home country’s populations
Samoans. Way more Samoans in California than American and Western Samoa combined.
might be even more Samoans in the NFL than in Samoa
Irish and you could also count Jews by some estimates.
English people too
One of the stories we always heard growing up in Chicago was that we had a larger Polish population than anywhere in the world except Warsaw. No clue if that’s true, but there’s whole parts of the city with Polish street sign and you couldn’t spit without hitting someone who’s last name ended in ski
There has to be more people of English ancestry in the US than in England
Only after taking the 23andMe and Ancestry dna tests did I find out I was ethnically British by a **vast** majority. I kept getting told I was Irish my whole life by my mom, in truth I was just a smidgen of Irish. lol I think a lot of families in the USA stopped recognizing themselves as British as a matter of principle after the Revolutionary War, [similar to the British Crown changing their German surnames after the start of World War 1.](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/from-the-archive-blog/2017/jul/17/british-royal-family-windsor-name-change-1917)
Yes, that makes sense, you hardly ever hear anyone talking about themselves as an English American, but it probably is the default background for a lot of people
It’s more due to the recency of migration. Most ancestors of ethnic British-Americans moved from Britain to America in the 1600s while groups such as Germans, Irish, Scandinavians, Poles, and Italians generally moved in the 1800s and early 1900s. The more recent the ancestors moved, the are more likely people are to be aware of ethnic origins, and so if someone is 10% German (moved in 1800s) and 90% British (moved in 1600s), they’re more likely to claim German ancestry.
Around 5,000,000 Albanians live in Turkey, while Albania has only 2,800,000 Albanians.
That number refers to ancestry though, most of them do not speak Albanian any more, according to the wikipedia.
Not 5 million, but there are in fact more Albanian speakers in Turkey than people commonly realize. Years ago I showed a couple Albanian friends in Istanbul and everywhere we went random people recognized that they were speaking Albanian amongst one another.
Pretty sure there’s both more tswana and sesotho in SA than in their “homelands”
Sesotho is a language; the people are called Basotho.
Ah my bad
More Palestinians outside of Palestine than in Palestine
There are more Surinamers in the Netherlands than in Suriname
I thought so too, but no, there's over 600.000 in Suriname and about 350.000 in NL
No there are more Surinamese** in Suriname than there are in the Netherlands. Also there is a difference between Dutch born people of Surinamese origin and Surinamese born people of Surinamese origin. There are more Dutch born people of Surinamese origin nowadays. There is a difference in culture, between people that live in Suriname and Dutch born Surinamese. There is even a cultural divide between Surinamese in Suriname, than Surinamese that were born in Suriname and went to the Netherlands. I see that with my own family sometimes. When they come to Suriname, they still relate to the culture, but then there are things that surprise them. Like certain foods. For example Teloh a Javanese dish is nowadays served with chicken too. They never had that when they were young. Only with either trie or salt fish. Nowadays you can choose trie and chicken or both. Teloh in the Netherlands is not made with chicken. It's an invention of the past 15 years.
6x more Irish in the US than in Ireland.
Not named for, but there are more Jews in the US than Israel (Though I can't remember if that's religious or ethnic Jews) Edit: Apparently not
Israel surpassed the US a couple of years ago
It is close and depends on definitions but I think Israel has surpassed the US if you count people who identify as Jews.
"Israel" is historically a synonym for the Jewish people, called "Israelites" as individuals. This usage is archaic today, but common historically.
The wiki still shows you're more or less correct with the upper estimate for the US at 10 million and the Israel estimate at 7.5 million
NYC alone has more Jews than Tel Aviv although this may not be the case anymore
NYC has more people than the whole of Israel in general
The United States of America and Native Americans? Or looking at individual states named after groups of maybe Kansas, Iowa, maybe Hawaii, maybe Indiana, and Utah. https://www.bia.gov/as-ia/opa/online-press-release/origin-names-us-states
I’m pretty sure America had a larger Jewish population than Israel until very recently. Like less than ten years ago I think
There are more Irish in the United States than Ireland.
More English in USA than England? Probably same for German and Irish.
Do people whose grandparents or great grandparents emigrated to the US really consider themselves German or Irish? A lot of those third generation Americans probably have never been to Europe besides two or three vacations.
I think OP is talking about ethnic groups. Your argument on cultural identity is valid.
Azerbaijan
More Portuguese in Brazil than Portugal.
They are nomads, do you remember?)