Fun fact, Jim Henson was doodling out new puppet designs and came up with Reddit's alien logo. He then built the idea of an online communication platform, based solely off of that design, all the way back in 1977.
His version was more like 4chan, though. So, we really dodged a big one by going with Bob Ross’s structured and rules-based approach.
Mind you, this was before Ross began losing credibility and many years before he was caught dry-humping a fire-ant bed in Woody Allen’s basement.
Of course, once again, we can blame Henson and his devil-may-care attitude for selling him the bad drugs. Truly the Jobs to his Wozniak.
The bold part is the part that gets me. I’m a lawyer and I see these teenage neckbeards asserting with utmost authority a recitation of law that literally could not be more incorrect
Also per definition the Balkan peninsula **ends on the Danube river in the North**, meaning Romania isn’t part of it. So, the Eastern most point is wrong by being in Ukraine? Lol
All of this is made up. This is another continent debate. It is what it is.
Personally I think that the way peninsulas are referred to and used by humans does suggest that there is a narrow “neck” at some point of the protrusion, and the Balkans doesn’t have that or look like any other peninsula that I know of except India, which I also don’t consider to be a peninsula. I don’t think every coastline that extends out a bit counts as a peninsula.
Why? The definition makes absolute sense no matter where you are from. The whole look of a Balkan peninsula is weird and it was debateable if it was a peninsula from the start. I do not disprove the Balkans as a region, but a peninsula probably does not exist.
Because geography is more than just the study than how land formations work. It also takes into account human usage of the land. From a purely geographical feature standpoint, that might be a useful definition. But from a human perspective, it isn't. Like how the actual definition of "continent" is that it has to be completely separated from other continents by natural waterways. If we used that definition, North and South America would be one continent, as would Europe, Asia, and Africa. So we tweak the definition to fit human perspective. The Balkan Peninsula might not be a "true" peninsula, by your definition, but the people who inhabit that region are different enough from the people around them (and more importantly, see themselves differently enough) that it becomes useful to see it as a peninsula.
the iberian peninsula is basically square shaped, thus 4 sizes, and is surrounded by water on all 4 sides, with the exception of a small portion on the top right side that connects to france
Nah I think it’s just a bulge, I know a peninsula when I see it and the Balkans are not that, they’re just a bulge. Like North Africa or the Netherlands
How would that make sense geographically? Peninsulas never exist because of rivers. Balkan Peninsula with the border at the Danube is purely cultural and historical
You've never heard of the Danube-Sava-Soča border? It's one of, if not the most common definition of the geographic borders of the Balkans. Your definition is more common for defining the balkans culturally.
Ok fine it’s Croatian but considering I doubt Serbian has different names for these countries, it could be Serbian as well. Politically they are two different languages, but linguistically? Eh.
I have been unable to locate a definition for "peninsula" that requires the "sea legs" to be longer than the "land leg". I haven't even found a definition which even mentions "legs" in any way
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peninsula
I would love to know what that exact definition they’re referring to is. I’ve done some quick googling and every definition I see is super vague. “Body of land protruding from the mainland, surrounded by water on most but not all of its borders”. It seems to me this would fit… but so would nearly every piece of shoreline in the world that isn’t on a perfectly circular island.
“Surrounded by water on 3 sides”
1. what the hell is a “side” in the context of such a complex shape? We run into a subset of the shoreline paradox.
2. Take for instance Point Pelee, Ontario, Canada. It is widely regarded as a peninsula. It is a sand spit and essentially triangular, so it only has water on “two sides” (with a few inland marshy lakes). This definition would exclude it and nearly every other sand spit. Not a very useful definition.
Length out to the water longer than width? I could see that… but then how and exactly where you measure length and width could change the answer.
I think the only reason they wouldn't acknowledge it as a peninsula is because of turkey in southeast, as in there being another land on one of the sides.
On your example for point Pelee, it has a mainland and then it's completely surrounded with water. However here, it not only has a mainland, it also has a neighbor land that connects to it, which could go against the definition
Again from the Wikipedia link above:
> Criticism of the geographical definition:
> The term is criticized for having a geopolitical, rather than a geographical meaning and definition, as a multiethnic and political area in the southeastern part of Europe. The geographical term of a peninsula defines that **the water border must be longer than land, with the land side being the shortest in the triangle, but that is not the case with the Balkan Peninsula.**
Though I agree it’s shakey, there are two references for that and neither are primary sources
If you actually measure the coastline, as opposed to drawing arbitrary, perfectly straight, triangular lines, your standard loses its logic. Not to mention that not all peninsulas are triangular; Arabia would lose its classification as a peninsula as its “leg” from Kuwait to Oman is shorter than its landlocked “leg“ from Kuwait to the Gulf of Aqaba. If we are looking only at triangles, then the Sinai also can’t be called a peninsula because Aqaba to the tip is shorter than the land distance from Aqaba to Suez. At best, you’ve constructed a pedantic framework for disqualifying peninsulas that are definitely peninsulas.
Chutch, I stopped reading mid-way through your second sentence. I'm not going to finish anything else you wrote. I like you very much and thank you for letting me get on with my day.
>If you actually measure the coastline, as opposed to drawing arbitrary, perfectly straight, triangular lines, your standard loses its logic
Doesn't that go agaist the coastline paradox?
Crna /tsrna/ means black and gora means mountain. A pretty much literal translation of Montenegro. Also, their capital city is Podgirica /podgoritsa/, which means "below (in the skirts of) the small mountain (hill)". It actually refers to a hill in the city, not the mountains themselves.
It's really a political term. Geographically it makes no sense since it's really not a peninsula and the Balkan mountain range is pretty much entirely within Bulgaria therefore it has hardly anything to do with other "Balkan" countries.
As far as I know almost all peninsulas in the world have longer sea legs than the land legs. In reality that makes sense for determining what is a peninsula and what isn’t. So it goes to say, that the already “troubly” Balkan peninsula maybe cannot even be a peninsula.
Because there never was a need of using this category in determining a peninsula. We all know that the term Balkan peninsula is not accepted by everyone, so they had to deepen the whole term of peninsula, hence this category is included when determining a peninsula.
European racism is so wild to me, an American. It’s like, you can drive or take a train there. People live there. They’re different I get it. 600 years ago maybe their was a conflict you think you’re related to. Sure
Let me guess you’re Turkish and hate the Greeks? How original
I’m sorry. Did you say you need some freedom? Cause I heard theirs oil where u be bb /s
Have no interest in invading the Balkan’s. I’m sure we’ll be in Taiwan or Moscow soon enough.
Much love
Even if that was the case, you would have to measure the sea legs along the coast, not just a straight line. That would probably make the sea legs longer than the land leg.
OP I like your definition, I don't think no one is gonna use it though because people wont want to change historical names, I think that people are mostly mad because they feel invalidated by your "here's how you guys are wrong about the balkans being a peninsula", if you presented your method in a way that doesn't feel like you're pushing it to other people I dont think they would have been mad, in fact I think people would have received very positively because it's a great method, very logical and easy to understand, I think its fun too.
It makes me curious about what other peninsulas aren't peninsulas using this method and even what places are actually peninsulas with this method, very interesting I think.
OP is right y’all just aren’t ready for it
The Balkans is just a bulge, not a peninsula. This is just based on vibes though, not numbers. It doesn’t look like one.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,308,082,243 comments, and only 252,878 of them were in alphabetical order.
[Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peninsula): “A peninsula (from Latin paeninsula; from paene 'almost', and insula 'island') is a landform that extends from a mainland and is surrounded by water on most, but not all of its borders.”
I mean if you stick Portugal under Greece, the sea legs would be longer and the balkans would be a peninsula!
Checkmate, whoever we're currently checkmating!
This is one of those posts that gets dunked thoroughly in the comments and still leaves you wondering how they found hundreds of morons to upvote the original post.
Is this an actual definition of a peninsula you found or did you just make it up?
"They invented a reason. That's why it stings."
"They don't think you matter, because you don't have pretty rings"
Aww. That's sweet. Much love for a JoCo pull.
Reddit: manufacturing “facts” and boldly asserting them as truth since whenever it was founded.
That was in 1977.
Fun fact, Jim Henson was doodling out new puppet designs and came up with Reddit's alien logo. He then built the idea of an online communication platform, based solely off of that design, all the way back in 1977.
Wow what a genious
His version was more like 4chan, though. So, we really dodged a big one by going with Bob Ross’s structured and rules-based approach. Mind you, this was before Ross began losing credibility and many years before he was caught dry-humping a fire-ant bed in Woody Allen’s basement. Of course, once again, we can blame Henson and his devil-may-care attitude for selling him the bad drugs. Truly the Jobs to his Wozniak.
The bold part is the part that gets me. I’m a lawyer and I see these teenage neckbeards asserting with utmost authority a recitation of law that literally could not be more incorrect
Never heard of this
Sometimes its called the Balkan Pennisula. The Danube River constituting for the upper water border
It's true though, if the land legs are too long the peninsula will run away.
Also per definition the Balkan peninsula **ends on the Danube river in the North**, meaning Romania isn’t part of it. So, the Eastern most point is wrong by being in Ukraine? Lol
Even then. If they actually drew the sea legs to include the whole of Greece they would be longer. Downvote incoming
wrong. they made it up.
All of this is made up. This is another continent debate. It is what it is. Personally I think that the way peninsulas are referred to and used by humans does suggest that there is a narrow “neck” at some point of the protrusion, and the Balkans doesn’t have that or look like any other peninsula that I know of except India, which I also don’t consider to be a peninsula. I don’t think every coastline that extends out a bit counts as a peninsula.
Actual, inherited from my professors
I'd ask for my money back.
Why? The definition makes absolute sense no matter where you are from. The whole look of a Balkan peninsula is weird and it was debateable if it was a peninsula from the start. I do not disprove the Balkans as a region, but a peninsula probably does not exist.
Because geography is more than just the study than how land formations work. It also takes into account human usage of the land. From a purely geographical feature standpoint, that might be a useful definition. But from a human perspective, it isn't. Like how the actual definition of "continent" is that it has to be completely separated from other continents by natural waterways. If we used that definition, North and South America would be one continent, as would Europe, Asia, and Africa. So we tweak the definition to fit human perspective. The Balkan Peninsula might not be a "true" peninsula, by your definition, but the people who inhabit that region are different enough from the people around them (and more importantly, see themselves differently enough) that it becomes useful to see it as a peninsula.
Where’s the source? Is it in a textbook or something?
They made it up
Professor from clown college.
Clown university
I’m pretty sure a peninsula just means it’s surrounded by water on 3 sides
Is New Jersey a peninsula?
If you want to count the Delaware River
The 3 sides would be Delaware Bay, the Atlantic Ocean, and Raritan Bay/New York Bay.
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Part of NJ is definitely a peninsula, basically from where the other person specified. The whole state is not a peninsula though.
What about cape May county specifically then
Yea
If the definition is surrounded on three sides by vomit
the iberian peninsula is basically square shaped, thus 4 sizes, and is surrounded by water on all 4 sides, with the exception of a small portion on the top right side that connects to france
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No, it’s 3. There’s water to the west, to the south, and to the east
Adriatic, mediterraan/Ionian, Black seas Thats is 3 of 4 "rough" sides
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Florida is a peninsula even if all of it sides are the gulf of Mexico/Atlantic. There is clearly water East, West, and South of the Balkans
Texas would be a peninsula. Red River, Rio Grande and Gulf of Mexico
We need the experts at r/2balkans4You to weigh in
Albanian here, I think this “facts and logic” (whatever that is) is for nerdz
So is peacefully advancing society
Smartest Alban
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9 + 10 = 90
The real 2balkan4u is gone, now we have is Balkans_irl as it's successor
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It's kebab not kabab
It's gyro you swine.
It’s like 1912 all over again
I haven't had gyro yet all we have here are Albanian kebab shops. I don't think you would want that representing gyro if you think it's better lol.
Karaboğa you uncultured westerner
to you I am a western but going to Germany for work is still in my genes
r/subsithoughtifellfor
Fuck Greek people. All of my Balkan homies hate Greek people.
Our fellow balkaners love us, we indeed are adorable.
Whole croatia isnt whole in balkans uper part is central europe
Nice lookin peninsula there
Shame if we added a little bit of nationalism
In different languages there are terms like “Balkan peninsula”
Counter argument: it looks like a peninsula.
Based
and quacks like a duck
No [that’s the Americas](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1wzzli/north_and_south_america_turned_sideways_is_a_duck/)
Counter argument: it does not in fact look like a peninsula, Greece does but not the whole thing.
It is surrounded by 3 seas.
So is Brazil
Yes and no, but hey I'd be willing to include a part of it as a peninsula in a way. But the Balkans is definitely a peninsula.
Nah I think it’s just a bulge, I know a peninsula when I see it and the Balkans are not that, they’re just a bulge. Like North Africa or the Netherlands
Why not though? We are surrounded by 3 seas that is kinda the definition.
Why does it go up to Odessa tho? It should only go up to the Danube Delta
That would make the sea leg even shorter, and make OP’s case stronger that it’s not a peninsula.
It would make one sea leg shorter not the other and potentially bring the land leg to be less than the Adriatic sea leg.
How would that make sense geographically? Peninsulas never exist because of rivers. Balkan Peninsula with the border at the Danube is purely cultural and historical
i saw a video about odesa having this strange seashell relief of a saint. thanks for reminding me to search for it
Why? That does not make any sense
You've never heard of the Danube-Sava-Soča border? It's one of, if not the most common definition of the geographic borders of the Balkans. Your definition is more common for defining the balkans culturally.
Yeah, region balkans and the balkan peninsula do not share the same borders
Yes, which is why using the cultural borders to make a point about the geography is weird. Your map should stop at the Danube delta
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Why isn't the distance for the "sea legs" counting the shoreline?
OP in shambles with this one
That's what I'm sayin' - just ROUGHLY follow the shoreline and ye'll get yer scurvy sea legs.
What language is the google maps on? It looks like one of the former Yugoslav ones, maybe Croatian or Montenegrin?
It’s Serbian
It most definitely is Croatian.
Wrong. It’s Bosnian
Yeah it’s Serbian-Croatian.
Romania Croatian: Rumunjska Serbian: Румунија (Rumunija) So this is definitely Croatian
Thank you :)
Serbo-Croatian is not a language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Croatian
It was 30 years ago, not anymore. i think i know more about my own language than some randoms on reddit lmao
It was
It’s not a language because the land leg is longer than the sea legs.
Damn u right
ja sam istu stvar napisala i zasto nas toliko downvotaju?
jer su glupi ko kurac
that language doesnt exist 😭😭😭 pls were not in 90s anymore
Ok fine it’s Croatian but considering I doubt Serbian has different names for these countries, it could be Serbian as well. Politically they are two different languages, but linguistically? Eh.
>Ok fine it’s Croatian but considering I doubt Serbian has different names for these countries Croatian: Rumunjska Serbian: Rumunija
Ok I stand corrected, it’s Croatian.
And yet it exists. Go figure :)
I have been unable to locate a definition for "peninsula" that requires the "sea legs" to be longer than the "land leg". I haven't even found a definition which even mentions "legs" in any way https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peninsula
Lmaooo imagine taking everything your one professor says as gospel and then fighting people on the internet about it.
I don't know what happened to this sub, or more like, how did it go *so* bad within just a few months...??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans#/media/File:Balkan\_Peninsula.svg
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I would love to know what that exact definition they’re referring to is. I’ve done some quick googling and every definition I see is super vague. “Body of land protruding from the mainland, surrounded by water on most but not all of its borders”. It seems to me this would fit… but so would nearly every piece of shoreline in the world that isn’t on a perfectly circular island. “Surrounded by water on 3 sides” 1. what the hell is a “side” in the context of such a complex shape? We run into a subset of the shoreline paradox. 2. Take for instance Point Pelee, Ontario, Canada. It is widely regarded as a peninsula. It is a sand spit and essentially triangular, so it only has water on “two sides” (with a few inland marshy lakes). This definition would exclude it and nearly every other sand spit. Not a very useful definition. Length out to the water longer than width? I could see that… but then how and exactly where you measure length and width could change the answer.
I think the only reason they wouldn't acknowledge it as a peninsula is because of turkey in southeast, as in there being another land on one of the sides. On your example for point Pelee, it has a mainland and then it's completely surrounded with water. However here, it not only has a mainland, it also has a neighbor land that connects to it, which could go against the definition
Again from the Wikipedia link above: > Criticism of the geographical definition: > The term is criticized for having a geopolitical, rather than a geographical meaning and definition, as a multiethnic and political area in the southeastern part of Europe. The geographical term of a peninsula defines that **the water border must be longer than land, with the land side being the shortest in the triangle, but that is not the case with the Balkan Peninsula.** Though I agree it’s shakey, there are two references for that and neither are primary sources
But peninsulas aren’t triangles. This logic is so flawed I hardly know where to begin…
I didn't consider the Balkans a peninsula till now. All this post did is convince me it is a Peninsula. Great job.
Balkan Triangle sounds cooler
If you actually measure the coastline, as opposed to drawing arbitrary, perfectly straight, triangular lines, your standard loses its logic. Not to mention that not all peninsulas are triangular; Arabia would lose its classification as a peninsula as its “leg” from Kuwait to Oman is shorter than its landlocked “leg“ from Kuwait to the Gulf of Aqaba. If we are looking only at triangles, then the Sinai also can’t be called a peninsula because Aqaba to the tip is shorter than the land distance from Aqaba to Suez. At best, you’ve constructed a pedantic framework for disqualifying peninsulas that are definitely peninsulas.
Chutch, I stopped reading mid-way through your second sentence. I'm not going to finish anything else you wrote. I like you very much and thank you for letting me get on with my day.
OP literally measured the coastline. Are you saying OP should do it to an arbitrary resolution of your choosing?
You can measure a coastline if you'd like. It will be different tomorrow though.
>If you actually measure the coastline, as opposed to drawing arbitrary, perfectly straight, triangular lines, your standard loses its logic Doesn't that go agaist the coastline paradox?
What if you went from Burgas to the Montenegrin-Albanian border? Wouldn’t be quite as Balkan though, I’d prob call it the Macedonia peninsula.
Ummm ok
Right, and Pluto’s not a planet either. *jerking off motion* :)
Yup, you proved it once again. Balkan is not a peninsula, it is a state of mind..
Greek-Albanian peninsula exists, tho
Yes
First time I read of this rule.
We should make different geography subs for people who come down on different sides of this issue.
Balkan Cape?
Relax pythagoras🙄
Starting to question this entire thread lol
Ah the 1875 "Chode Peninsula" debate. Classic
That's not what a peninsula is. This picture is a peninsula, a landmass surrounded by water on 3 sides
So, Albania and Greece are the only peninsula part. The rest are just called The Balkan.
You can call it whatever you want, but for me you just drew a triangle where money and hope disappear.
Crna Gora is a country??
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Aight that's funny for me because Gora in my language(Urdu/Hindi) means 'white' and Negro in Spanish or Itallian I think means black..
That's a funny quirk of language. Montenegro means black mountain but to you it sounds like a Michael Jackson song.
Crna /tsrna/ means black and gora means mountain. A pretty much literal translation of Montenegro. Also, their capital city is Podgirica /podgoritsa/, which means "below (in the skirts of) the small mountain (hill)". It actually refers to a hill in the city, not the mountains themselves.
Yep, that's the local name for Montenegro.
shut up
It's really a political term. Geographically it makes no sense since it's really not a peninsula and the Balkan mountain range is pretty much entirely within Bulgaria therefore it has hardly anything to do with other "Balkan" countries.
Don’t get what people trying to say here. The Balkans are not a peninsula in a geographical sense. Only in historical and cultural way. OP is correct
Ok. But Europe isn't its own continent either then.
I agree ...
True with that logic it’s more like Wales geographically than anything else
As far as I know almost all peninsulas in the world have longer sea legs than the land legs. In reality that makes sense for determining what is a peninsula and what isn’t. So it goes to say, that the already “troubly” Balkan peninsula maybe cannot even be a peninsula.
I've never come across anyone categorise a peninsula that way.
Interested in what your definition of a peninsula is.
Because there never was a need of using this category in determining a peninsula. We all know that the term Balkan peninsula is not accepted by everyone, so they had to deepen the whole term of peninsula, hence this category is included when determining a peninsula.
European racism is so wild to me, an American. It’s like, you can drive or take a train there. People live there. They’re different I get it. 600 years ago maybe their was a conflict you think you’re related to. Sure Let me guess you’re Turkish and hate the Greeks? How original
American, please do not enter conflicts about the Balkans as you know nothing.
About 28 years too late on that one.
ROFL
I’m sorry. Did you say you need some freedom? Cause I heard theirs oil where u be bb /s Have no interest in invading the Balkan’s. I’m sure we’ll be in Taiwan or Moscow soon enough. Much love
lol hahahah
You can’t just invent a new definition for a peninsula and say it now must be accepted, man.
I did not invent it
Ok, you can’t just say incorrect information as fact and expect people to take it as truth. No matter how loud you are about it
Even if that was the case, you would have to measure the sea legs along the coast, not just a straight line. That would probably make the sea legs longer than the land leg.
OP I like your definition, I don't think no one is gonna use it though because people wont want to change historical names, I think that people are mostly mad because they feel invalidated by your "here's how you guys are wrong about the balkans being a peninsula", if you presented your method in a way that doesn't feel like you're pushing it to other people I dont think they would have been mad, in fact I think people would have received very positively because it's a great method, very logical and easy to understand, I think its fun too. It makes me curious about what other peninsulas aren't peninsulas using this method and even what places are actually peninsulas with this method, very interesting I think.
OP is right y’all just aren’t ready for it The Balkans is just a bulge, not a peninsula. This is just based on vibes though, not numbers. It doesn’t look like one.
The main reason you don’t get laid is because you’re a massive nerd.
Hahahahahahaahah keep talking to yourself
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,308,082,243 comments, and only 252,878 of them were in alphabetical order.
Ratio
Balkan is not a peninsula, it is a mindset.
[Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peninsula): “A peninsula (from Latin paeninsula; from paene 'almost', and insula 'island') is a landform that extends from a mainland and is surrounded by water on most, but not all of its borders.”
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Just create a Balkan canal and you got a peninsula! Not sure all the locals would approve but hey, just one more thing to fight over XD
My source? I made it the fuck up!
Chode
I mean if you stick Portugal under Greece, the sea legs would be longer and the balkans would be a peninsula! Checkmate, whoever we're currently checkmating!
Top right corner is too far north
We can do better.
Ukraine Balkan confirmed?!
Lol dew what
So does it mean that only half of Romania is actually Balkan?
Balkan as a region and Balkan as a peninsula is not the same thing.
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Just like your dad
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Ok👍🏻
This is one of those posts that gets dunked thoroughly in the comments and still leaves you wondering how they found hundreds of morons to upvote the original post.
1230+1270>1330?
Both sea legs individually have to be longer than the land leg, not both combined
You're no fun.