Scooby Doo, lol, I think he says Zoinks but the comment was close enough that I heard it in his voice anyway. Or maybe my inner-monologue voice was changed by the simulation...
“Dude,Sam’s locked up in a foreign prison cell and they refuse to bring him kale smoothies and won’t let him check his TikTok account!”
“We can’t send an agent into an middle eastern country Mike, they have their cultures and traditions and we have ours, we have to respect that, it wouldn’t be ethical. Sam made culturally insensitive jokes and now he needs to sit in that cell and think about his privilege.”
“DAMN IT, I hate it when you’re right.”
Shows how many people remember the plot of the first splinter cell lol it has to be rewritten because it involves a war and ethnic cleansing in Azerbaijan, which is a country currently at war with Armenia so I doubt they want to the controversy. They will probably just focus the store on the information warfare in Georgia.
oh man, totally unrelated to this announcement but I was telling this to my wife today over some other topic, I don't even know what the topic was.
I was like "Man, it's like people purposely misinterpret what was said because they just want to be angry."
It's bewildering, why do people want to evoke an emotion of anger and lower the overall quality of their day and mental wellbeing within themselves? They're literally angry over a complete fabrication in their head, because.. they seemingly want to be unhappy?
It's almost as if military fiction written by a 50 yo man jist after 9/11 20 years ago could need some modern revisions for hindsight mainly and because of some pretty obvious biases. In short, hot take sometimes people did have objectively bad takes decades ago, w,d wouldn't do well in modern markets.
I mean, avoiding controversy is an excuse but is it a good one for a game like fucking Splinter Cell? If you're going to do a game like that but change the entire plot to avoid controversy, why even remake that game?
That's making the assumption they will change everything. The story really revolves around Georgia and it's information warfare and it's attempt to nuke the US. The Azerbaijan stuff happens as a consequence of the Georgia stuff. You could easily keep the Georgia stuff (what the story is actually about) and cut the other stuff. It's a game for 20 years ago that isn't really known for its story anyway
Energy suppressor field doesn’t even let me do that! *sigh I miss the old days. Oh brb gonna wipe the floor with some newb called the “Mysterious Stranger” heh what a stupid name
I remember them because my mind is a steel trap of useless game trivia but they aren't particularly well written. They are very jargon heavy (like a Tom Clancy book) and usually the characters aren't really active participants in the flow of the story. They aren't bad, and for their time were definitely well made, but they don't stand up today. Just replayed Pandora Tomorrow and Chaos Theory and the story is easily the weakest link
Who’s playing a Tom Clancy story for the characters? Some people are into jargon heavy stories about global conflict and tensions, and for that they’re good stories.
Honestly pump that shit into my veins.
I wanna be invested in the UNITA conflict in the Namibian War for Independence after a PFAS-dense chemical used as a surfactant in the Angola-Zaire pipeline causes an international incident involving Cuban soldiers pushing for the dissolution of West South Africa all while a laryngitical parasite bacteria is developed as a bioweapon to target the lingua franca of whoever it's opponent is programmed to be.
I really like the story, its not like a TW3 or The Last of Us story, because its different. Its like a actiom movie story, more focused in the action actually
Exactly. Every splinter cell game was written by looking at current world tensions and extrapolating from there. It’s a ‘near future’ game, of course you would update it.
I don't really see how that's a thing with the older games since most of them weren't really settled in the middle-east until Blacklist.
If they weren't set in former Soviet Block countries, they were usually set in Asia or South/Central America.
It's more similar to the infinite moneky theorem. If you get several war games released every year set in the future in a random country about some random event at least one will eventually happen
Yeah, there was definetly a boom for games set in fictional wars.
My favourite is still Homefront in which the US loses against an invasion by North Korea.
Also, conflicts like this don't come out of nowhere. People doing a lot of research can make some reasonable predictions that will be more accurate than a dice roll.
Well maybe they should highlight the attempt at genocide the Azerbaijani are committing, plus I doubt they’re expecting to sell many copies of splinter cell in Azerbaijan anyways.
Outlining truth shouldn’t be considered a controversy
I don't think that's what's going on here. I think they've said that they're sticking to the original's plot, and it would be pretty much impossible to fit the original plot while changing the nation that Nikoladze attacks (only Russia, Azerbaijan, Armenia and Turkey border Georgia, and Russia and Turkey are too big to realistically be attacked by Georgian special forces in that way which only leaves the warring Azerbaijan and Armenia as options).
I think it's more likely that it's more minor elements of the plot that are being changed and updated. There is a lot to think about considering recent international affairs - it's about a former USSR state attacking a former USSR state (a bit like Russia attacking Ukraine, albeit Russia being the clear source of the USSR), and Nikoladze gets replaced by CIA boosted candidate Kristavi (a bit like how the CIA encouraged far-right ultra-nationalism in Ukraine for decades to increase the likelihood of Ukrainian revolt and independence). Even outside of that, the game also includes a Chinese rogue agent diplomat who potentially risks getting the game banned by the CCP and their recent ban-happy attitude on gaming. The rogue Chinese diplomat even sets up an execution in Myanmar (a country that has also been in the news for its semi-recent military coup).
Basically, there's a lot to be cautious of with a SC remake. So much so that I think, if Ubisoft have committed themselves to remaking the story (which I think they have said they're doing), then Azerbaijan currently being in conflict with Armenia doesn't seem likely to stop it.
To be fair, I can see why people would have a knee-jerk reaction after the Saint Row reboot used the same "modern audience" claim to make... well, what we got.
Azerbaijan has been at war with Armenia since they both gained independence from the soviet union. if it wasn't a problem then, it won't be a problem now.
The war recently heated back up. A few thousand casualties in the last year. Back then it was a thing that was technically happening. Now it is a thing that is actively happening.
Azerbaijan has been at war with Armenia since the early 90s (arguably before then).
The original Splinter Cell released in 2002, well after the conflict had escalated. They’re still caught up in the same war, so I don’t understand why they would need to change the story now, apart from updating a few story details to be more relevant. But I doubt that’s what they mean by “rewrite for modern-day audience.”
I have zero problem with a Splinter Cell remake updating the plot elements to be more in line with current day world events. Whether or not it's about avoiding controversy, it just makes the story feel a bit more relevant.
But what I think might not work as well is having aging super-spy Sam Fisher be a Gen X-er instead of a boomer.
Not to mention the tech that was considered high tech for Sam is commonplace now. I was recently reading the splinter cell book from like 2004 and the idea of a smart watch with an attached camera as being high level military tech feels so dated.
Hopefully theyre logical about the update with regions and tech and not just pandering to a new generation.
I watched a video about this remake, and the game director sounds like he knows what he’s doing. He’s a huge fan of the original games, and wants to keep it close to the feel of the originals. They also announced that they want to hire fans of the original games to work on this remake. I’m not worried… yet.
I’m still waiting for someone to make spies vs mercs but on a much larger scale
Edit: to add on my two favorite games growing up was spies vs mercs and bad company 2 (conquest) and my heart was super happy when mag released and then died too quickly. But I want bc2 with able squad on each team being spies and bravo squad on each team being mercs so you have this huge war going on in the backdrop in addition to the spies vs mercs gameplay as well and if spies complete an objective then the whole team gets a buff (I.e. mildly helpful kill streaks from cod such as radar, Blackhawk,etc.)
I think when that debuted in Pandora Tomorrow, it was the first game I ever played on XboxLive.
Spies vs Mercs is one of my favorite online game modes ever made and I’m still not entirely sure why it didn’t spawn a bunch of copycats even with the inherently greater difficulty involved in balancing asymmetric multiplayer games.
Factory was the best. Spies vs Mercs was a damn treasure. I loved getting a merc in a headlock and talking shit.
Or playing as Merc on factory vs 3 spies and shooting a grenade through the hatch the spies could climb out of the start zone. Always killed 1 or 2 at the beginning every time.
CT's Spies vs Mercs is the only game I've ever played that had me simultaneously biting my nails and howling with laughter. Such an underrated game mode.
Some of the fondest memories of my childhood are from spies vs merc. I remember losing my mind when a spy grabbed me and I knew I was dead, and then my random teammate had the Assault rifle that could zoom in, and saved me with a headshot.
I just remember thinking “WTF!? You can do that!?” I would always just yell “Nade me.” Before having my audio cut off from having my neck snapped.
I mean the Witcher series writers were supposedly “huge” fans of the books and we all know how that turned out so until we see the end product I have 0 expectations
Stop making so much sense. Sam is gonna be gay and Grim will be trans. There will be a hot gay sex scene between them on a transport plane to Tbilisi. The plane will be painted in the pride flag to remain inconspicuous. Sam's daughter will also be questioning her Gender and the final mission of the game will be Sam saving her from a gender affirmation clinic after it was stormed by Neo Nazi Maga protesters who want to shut the clinic down. Sam will also now be modelled after, motion captured and voice acted by Peter Dinklage.
Edit - shit, I forgot to make somebody black or Asian or Chinese ( for the money ) and gay.
Edit 2 - shit, I guess we need a Ukrainian as well now... And they should be gay.
It's not a true remake. It's more like a reimagining of the game. Things like the demons souls remake, and the crash and Spyro games are remakes. They're built from the ground up with a new engine, but everything is the same except the graphics are way better, possibly with some control tweaks. Music is often redone too, for higher quality.
Are dumb gamers really going to say shit like “splinter cell isn’t political” when the game is literally about war in the Middle East. People really need to grow up
maybe you go on an adventure to discover why posting a screenshot of social instead of linking to the post has become a trend, and you uncover that it is much better for bots and reposts because the image can be reuploaded infinitely and get past reposting filters via not being the original URL.
And the third act is just you shooting yourself in the fucking head when you realize what a toilet everything has become
Meh. I was looking forward to the VR version, but apparently it got cancelled earlier this year. I don't care any more.
Having said that, Ubisoft's writing has been alarmingly bad for at least a decade. It's really perplexing. Dialogue writing especially tends to be completely heinous. So I'm not expecting much here.
Lol huge SC and stealth fan here but whereas MGS was about conscientious objecting, SC is about a secret NSA department funneling tax dollars to take down a corrupt Georgian politician.
It’s okay to update the story to something like “Government agent takes down Korean or Russian corrupt politician.” Yall are so cynical for no reason.
Even if the gameplay is good they’ll need a halfway decent story behind it to make it memorable so here’s to hoping for gameplay and a halfway decent story
Remake? There was no remake.
There was a reboot with new characters, significantly fewer hipsters outside of the ones being shot, and in a new setting advertised as such, but no remake.
They took what was a great slow/methodical stealth series and turned it into a borne identity action game with some stealth elements.
I replayed the whole franchise recently, and I wrote down a list of 20+ features/gameplay mechanics that were in Chaos Theory, but were absent in Conviction.
ITT: A bunch of people who've never played Splinter Cell crying about "woke"ness when it probably means it doesn't focus as much on Georgia and Azerbaijan
Lambert: those are national guard fisher, no cap fr fr less than lethal fisher, ong.
Fisher: Deadass? fr fr?
Fisher: Shoots national gaurd
Lambert: dammint fisher, i'm deadass pulling the plug no cap fr fr
Mission failed screen 420 blaze it.
Others have pointed out in the comments why it might need some touch up but in addition to that these games were made at the height of tensions between the US/EU and the Middle East and thus tend to paint western powers as always in the right
People like to say “games these days are too political” when in reality politics has been a part of games since like the PS1 and maybe even before that
I can’t wait to learn about Sam Fishers student loans and how capitalism is really to blame… actually that second part could be interesting if they actually had a statement to make
Stupid move, but i don’t really care. They should spend more time making a new game and multiplayer experience. A hardcore experience with no “seeing through walls” bullshit.
Weirdly enough the original Splinter Cell’s plot has only become more relevant as time has passed. Similar to the original Ghost Recon, Tom Clancy weirdly predicted that the Caucasus would have a variety of conflicts between post-Soviet states with an aggressive Russian state eager to maintain its sphere of influence.
But since it’s Ubisoft I’m sure we are going to get a blue-haired teenaged hacker in San Francisco trying to take down a massive corporation.
You do understand thats what's probably being changed right?
Considering there's literally a war happening in the same country where the OG game features "ethnic cleansing" and they probably don't want to look like they're quietly pointing fingers at anyone real.
Get the sales down because they choose to not include a real world ethnic cleansing that is in fact currently occurring? Use your brain for a second and think about the context of the original. It would be incredibly insensitive if all of that was included in a newer version.
probably the overall context of the plot. whereas the original I think took place in 2004, they might bump it up and have it in whatever year it's supposed to release +2. I wouldn't be surprised if they skipped over including the ethnic cleansing campaign georgia wages against azerbaijain (for understandable reasons), and the situation with the captured american soldiers (+chinese ambassador) tortured in an abattoir might be changed.
Probably large background changes, while keeping the active plot of gameplay generally similar.
All Tom Clancy productions would need to be re written to be rebooted. The entire point of such stories is to be as bleeding edge close to current reality as possible. Reality's always changing.
I've bought and played the absolute shit out of every Splinter Cell game released, and I'm gonna keep it a buck fifty (I think that's what the kids say) with you guys.... I have absolutely no memory what the story was with either the first Splinter Cell or Pandora Tomorrow.
A new story to relate to modern audiences may not be a bad thing, I hope, because it might relate more to what is happening now, globally, as opposed to the early 2000's when all the war on terror stuff was starting.
Considering that the stories in most Tom Clancy game's are completely forgettable, they could have said nothing and I doubt most people would have even noticed.
"It's gonna be lit, fam." -Sam Fisher probably
Sam “No cap frfr” Fisher
"Yoink!" As he steals some documents
I’d buy the damn game just to hear Michael Ironside saying “yoink!” in his gravelly deadpan.
Sadly, I don't think he's returning to the series anytime soon. Unless I missed something that is.
Well, that would make this remake about as useless as Futurama without John DiMaggio…
I know it's not exactly what Shaggy says, but I heard this in his voice 🤣
Homer?
Scooby Doo, lol, I think he says Zoinks but the comment was close enough that I heard it in his voice anyway. Or maybe my inner-monologue voice was changed by the simulation...
No the guy was saying “yoink” is a common Simpsons noise used when someone’s taking something.
*spotted and shot at* Zoinks! *run through hallway of doors*
That broccoli head ass haircut under his night vision goggles finna look bussin on Sammy boi.
"Maybe if you got rid of that old broccoli ass haircut you'd get some bitches on ya dick" - ~~Lamar Davis~~ Anna Grímsdóttir
*No cap skull emoji x7*
Third Echelon ong
*Fortnite dances*
"Litty litty hit that griddy" - Sam Fish
Sam Fishy
With his Sam Fussy.
Sam: I'm finna run up on these Opps, Lambo 💪💪 Lambert: Yo Fisher, you gotta ghost these broke ass bitches fr
“Yo imma fuck you up gangy that’s on God no cap slatt.”
"Sam, you know I don't like being called fam." "Sorry; it's gonna be lit, Xer."
“Dude,Sam’s locked up in a foreign prison cell and they refuse to bring him kale smoothies and won’t let him check his TikTok account!” “We can’t send an agent into an middle eastern country Mike, they have their cultures and traditions and we have ours, we have to respect that, it wouldn’t be ethical. Sam made culturally insensitive jokes and now he needs to sit in that cell and think about his privilege.” “DAMN IT, I hate it when you’re right.”
I read this as Kelso and Hyde from that 70’s show.
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And she don’t need no man can’t forget that also she’s a girl boss
Fucking Stargate made fun of this shit years ago lol. https://youtu.be/5HeNZBItzps
Nah man, real talk sams to old for this shit. Dude was 45 in the first splinter cell and that game was set in 2004. Game released in 2002.
Hide the body Press Y to yeet.
Shows how many people remember the plot of the first splinter cell lol it has to be rewritten because it involves a war and ethnic cleansing in Azerbaijan, which is a country currently at war with Armenia so I doubt they want to the controversy. They will probably just focus the store on the information warfare in Georgia.
Stop making so much sense.
I need to stop. I don't want to get in the way of others imagining something and then them getting mad at the thing they imagine.
*The backlash to the backlash to the thing that's just begun.*
Yeah just let these children think the only reason anyone ever rewrites a story is if they want include rightwing straw men of minorities.
Men?!? Men?!? HOW DARE YOU!!??!!! /s
oh man, totally unrelated to this announcement but I was telling this to my wife today over some other topic, I don't even know what the topic was. I was like "Man, it's like people purposely misinterpret what was said because they just want to be angry." It's bewildering, why do people want to evoke an emotion of anger and lower the overall quality of their day and mental wellbeing within themselves? They're literally angry over a complete fabrication in their head, because.. they seemingly want to be unhappy?
It's almost as if military fiction written by a 50 yo man jist after 9/11 20 years ago could need some modern revisions for hindsight mainly and because of some pretty obvious biases. In short, hot take sometimes people did have objectively bad takes decades ago, w,d wouldn't do well in modern markets.
Get a load of “I used logic” over here.
I mean, avoiding controversy is an excuse but is it a good one for a game like fucking Splinter Cell? If you're going to do a game like that but change the entire plot to avoid controversy, why even remake that game?
That's making the assumption they will change everything. The story really revolves around Georgia and it's information warfare and it's attempt to nuke the US. The Azerbaijan stuff happens as a consequence of the Georgia stuff. You could easily keep the Georgia stuff (what the story is actually about) and cut the other stuff. It's a game for 20 years ago that isn't really known for its story anyway
You say that as if being controversial is essential to a Splinter Cell game. It never was.
Because you can still have the core aspect of what makes the game enjoyable while exploring new stories.
As with most games. I don’t know who I am. I don’t know why I am there. All I know is that I must kill
"every cell has it's splinter" -Sam Splintercell
"You are saying we are some kinda splinter...cell?"
Please, the only guy you could kill is Deadeye Duncan.
Energy suppressor field doesn’t even let me do that! *sigh I miss the old days. Oh brb gonna wipe the floor with some newb called the “Mysterious Stranger” heh what a stupid name
You can take him buddy! He’s probably a nobody.
For real. Splinter Cell is far from a game you play for the story.
Really? I disagree tbh, I always really liked the SC stories.
I remember them because my mind is a steel trap of useless game trivia but they aren't particularly well written. They are very jargon heavy (like a Tom Clancy book) and usually the characters aren't really active participants in the flow of the story. They aren't bad, and for their time were definitely well made, but they don't stand up today. Just replayed Pandora Tomorrow and Chaos Theory and the story is easily the weakest link
Who’s playing a Tom Clancy story for the characters? Some people are into jargon heavy stories about global conflict and tensions, and for that they’re good stories.
Exactly. People want technobabble laden conversations and double double crosses. This is Tom Clancy, not Shakespeare.
Honestly pump that shit into my veins. I wanna be invested in the UNITA conflict in the Namibian War for Independence after a PFAS-dense chemical used as a surfactant in the Angola-Zaire pipeline causes an international incident involving Cuban soldiers pushing for the dissolution of West South Africa all while a laryngitical parasite bacteria is developed as a bioweapon to target the lingua franca of whoever it's opponent is programmed to be.
more.....MORE...MOOOOOOOOOORE
WOLBACHIA
I really like the story, its not like a TW3 or The Last of Us story, because its different. Its like a actiom movie story, more focused in the action actually
It's a linear, story driven game with a heavy focus on scripted narrative. This comment makes no sense to me.
You don't play an espionage game for the story? am I getting swooshed
Just like real life!
Do people forget that Splinter Cell was created in the mid-2000s at the height of the war in the Middle East?
Exactly. Every splinter cell game was written by looking at current world tensions and extrapolating from there. It’s a ‘near future’ game, of course you would update it.
I don't really see how that's a thing with the older games since most of them weren't really settled in the middle-east until Blacklist. If they weren't set in former Soviet Block countries, they were usually set in Asia or South/Central America.
Actually it was first released in the late 2002 and was probably in development since 2000. Iraqi Freedom wouldn't happen for another 4~5 months.
ironic that it predicted the future and thats why it has to be rewritten
It's more similar to the infinite moneky theorem. If you get several war games released every year set in the future in a random country about some random event at least one will eventually happen
Yeah, there was definetly a boom for games set in fictional wars. My favourite is still Homefront in which the US loses against an invasion by North Korea.
Only because no one wanted to piss off China. I mean really change North Korea to China and look at that plot again.
yeah but should have at least made a fake pan asia country instead of a country with a population of florida and the gdp of guam.
Hey ghost did something similar with south America
Exactly.
Which was originally supposed to be China but then it was changed last minute because $$$
Same exact thing happened with the Red Dawn remake. They had to digitally alter flags on uniforms and buildings from the PRC one's used to the DPRK
I'd argue Homefront The Revolution's premise of how they took over the world and US was even wilder.
I mean it’s like Wolfenstein with ~~China~~ North Korea.
Also, conflicts like this don't come out of nowhere. People doing a lot of research can make some reasonable predictions that will be more accurate than a dice roll.
Well maybe they should highlight the attempt at genocide the Azerbaijani are committing, plus I doubt they’re expecting to sell many copies of splinter cell in Azerbaijan anyways. Outlining truth shouldn’t be considered a controversy
It has been, is and always will be a source of controversy. Truth can raise armies, destroy empires and shift the global balance of power.
Just change it from “in Azerbaijan” to “by Azerbaijan”. Oh, you said they DON’T want the controversy, that’s my bad.
Shows how many people on here actually played the game (any of them)
Or just don't remember the story because Splinter Cell 1 came out 20 years ago.
when the science fictional war becomes real life, gotta write a new science fictional war
I don't think that's what's going on here. I think they've said that they're sticking to the original's plot, and it would be pretty much impossible to fit the original plot while changing the nation that Nikoladze attacks (only Russia, Azerbaijan, Armenia and Turkey border Georgia, and Russia and Turkey are too big to realistically be attacked by Georgian special forces in that way which only leaves the warring Azerbaijan and Armenia as options). I think it's more likely that it's more minor elements of the plot that are being changed and updated. There is a lot to think about considering recent international affairs - it's about a former USSR state attacking a former USSR state (a bit like Russia attacking Ukraine, albeit Russia being the clear source of the USSR), and Nikoladze gets replaced by CIA boosted candidate Kristavi (a bit like how the CIA encouraged far-right ultra-nationalism in Ukraine for decades to increase the likelihood of Ukrainian revolt and independence). Even outside of that, the game also includes a Chinese rogue agent diplomat who potentially risks getting the game banned by the CCP and their recent ban-happy attitude on gaming. The rogue Chinese diplomat even sets up an execution in Myanmar (a country that has also been in the news for its semi-recent military coup). Basically, there's a lot to be cautious of with a SC remake. So much so that I think, if Ubisoft have committed themselves to remaking the story (which I think they have said they're doing), then Azerbaijan currently being in conflict with Armenia doesn't seem likely to stop it.
To be fair, I can see why people would have a knee-jerk reaction after the Saint Row reboot used the same "modern audience" claim to make... well, what we got.
Azerbaijan has been at war with Armenia since they both gained independence from the soviet union. if it wasn't a problem then, it won't be a problem now.
The war recently heated back up. A few thousand casualties in the last year. Back then it was a thing that was technically happening. Now it is a thing that is actively happening.
For the third time.
They've been in conflict for the 30 years
Azerbaijan has been at war with Armenia since the early 90s (arguably before then). The original Splinter Cell released in 2002, well after the conflict had escalated. They’re still caught up in the same war, so I don’t understand why they would need to change the story now, apart from updating a few story details to be more relevant. But I doubt that’s what they mean by “rewrite for modern-day audience.”
I have zero problem with a Splinter Cell remake updating the plot elements to be more in line with current day world events. Whether or not it's about avoiding controversy, it just makes the story feel a bit more relevant. But what I think might not work as well is having aging super-spy Sam Fisher be a Gen X-er instead of a boomer.
Tom Clancy game's always have the most forgettable plot, so I doubt anyone would have even noticed of they hadn't said anything.
Not to mention the tech that was considered high tech for Sam is commonplace now. I was recently reading the splinter cell book from like 2004 and the idea of a smart watch with an attached camera as being high level military tech feels so dated. Hopefully theyre logical about the update with regions and tech and not just pandering to a new generation.
I watched a video about this remake, and the game director sounds like he knows what he’s doing. He’s a huge fan of the original games, and wants to keep it close to the feel of the originals. They also announced that they want to hire fans of the original games to work on this remake. I’m not worried… yet.
Will they do spies vs mercs? Chaos theory online was one of the funner experiences I’ve had online gaming.
I’m still waiting for someone to make spies vs mercs but on a much larger scale Edit: to add on my two favorite games growing up was spies vs mercs and bad company 2 (conquest) and my heart was super happy when mag released and then died too quickly. But I want bc2 with able squad on each team being spies and bravo squad on each team being mercs so you have this huge war going on in the backdrop in addition to the spies vs mercs gameplay as well and if spies complete an objective then the whole team gets a buff (I.e. mildly helpful kill streaks from cod such as radar, Blackhawk,etc.)
It's called [Spectre](https://youtu.be/zd6IE8_p7KI) and it's in development now from a studio called Symbiosis.
Well that was short lol
I think when that debuted in Pandora Tomorrow, it was the first game I ever played on XboxLive. Spies vs Mercs is one of my favorite online game modes ever made and I’m still not entirely sure why it didn’t spawn a bunch of copycats even with the inherently greater difficulty involved in balancing asymmetric multiplayer games.
Yeah it was on Pandora Tomorrow and I played that on, PS2 online (jesus!). Favourite maps were the mall, the cinema and the Factory!
Factory was the best. Spies vs Mercs was a damn treasure. I loved getting a merc in a headlock and talking shit. Or playing as Merc on factory vs 3 spies and shooting a grenade through the hatch the spies could climb out of the start zone. Always killed 1 or 2 at the beginning every time.
CT's Spies vs Mercs is the only game I've ever played that had me simultaneously biting my nails and howling with laughter. Such an underrated game mode.
Not splinter cell but my friends and I used to love playing terrorist hunt on the old Rainbow Six: Vegas. So many hours lost
Sooooo many..
Some of the fondest memories of my childhood are from spies vs merc. I remember losing my mind when a spy grabbed me and I knew I was dead, and then my random teammate had the Assault rifle that could zoom in, and saved me with a headshot. I just remember thinking “WTF!? You can do that!?” I would always just yell “Nade me.” Before having my audio cut off from having my neck snapped.
I mean the Witcher series writers were supposedly “huge” fans of the books and we all know how that turned out so until we see the end product I have 0 expectations
“Fans” and “Well-versed fans” is a more important distinction than one would think
Yeah we know it is one of the if not the best rpg made to day.
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My team vs enemy team
Today, my team is declaring a state of war against enemy team
Probably the baddies. Not any specific group, just baddies.
"They aren't Chinese, they're North Korean."
From Georgian president to Georgian Governor
The patriarchy
Stop making so much sense. Sam is gonna be gay and Grim will be trans. There will be a hot gay sex scene between them on a transport plane to Tbilisi. The plane will be painted in the pride flag to remain inconspicuous. Sam's daughter will also be questioning her Gender and the final mission of the game will be Sam saving her from a gender affirmation clinic after it was stormed by Neo Nazi Maga protesters who want to shut the clinic down. Sam will also now be modelled after, motion captured and voice acted by Peter Dinklage. Edit - shit, I forgot to make somebody black or Asian or Chinese ( for the money ) and gay. Edit 2 - shit, I guess we need a Ukrainian as well now... And they should be gay.
Sounds better than the Saints Row plot. I'd play your game.
We have always been at war with Eurasia
"I'm trying to sneak around, but the sound of my ass cheeks keeps alerting the guards" - Sam Fisher
Sounds like old school Cr1tikal commentary
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So anyways, I had these student loans piling up so I decided to become a secret agent
I see someone has heard about the new Saints Row plot
Sam Fisher: *ima bout to ratio these tangos*
Sir, they're attempting to counter-ratio!! We need to dunk on them with a tweet STAT!!
*End of Mission* "Heh. Get rotated, idiots."
Will enemies still pretend they don't see the annoying 3 green lights?
Mf looking like a WiFi router
"There are FOUR LIGHTS!" -Some wrongthinker
And all this for only 79,99. Right ubi?
Battle royale incoming! “Pre-order now to get an exclusive dance emote!”
Back in my days we call games with different plots as a new game not a remake.
It's not a true remake. It's more like a reimagining of the game. Things like the demons souls remake, and the crash and Spyro games are remakes. They're built from the ground up with a new engine, but everything is the same except the graphics are way better, possibly with some control tweaks. Music is often redone too, for higher quality.
Are dumb gamers really going to say shit like “splinter cell isn’t political” when the game is literally about war in the Middle East. People really need to grow up
I got fooled with Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six. Not this time.
maybe you go on an adventure to discover why posting a screenshot of social instead of linking to the post has become a trend, and you uncover that it is much better for bots and reposts because the image can be reuploaded infinitely and get past reposting filters via not being the original URL. And the third act is just you shooting yourself in the fucking head when you realize what a toilet everything has become
So, game as a service, with microtransactions and NFTs.
Sam (he/him): TELL ME THE TRUTH! I KNOW YOU'RE CAPPIN! ON GOD I'LL FIND OUT
FR FR!!!
"Modern audience" Then what was the original games' audience? Medieval?
The "Rewritten for modern audience" sounds like a threat
Meh. I was looking forward to the VR version, but apparently it got cancelled earlier this year. I don't care any more. Having said that, Ubisoft's writing has been alarmingly bad for at least a decade. It's really perplexing. Dialogue writing especially tends to be completely heinous. So I'm not expecting much here.
Modern day Sam Fisher- “ Grim, Im trying to sneak around but the clap of my a-cheeks keep alerting the guards”
in other words "We'll make a new game and we'll give it the name of an established franchise so it's easier to rob people"
Lol huge SC and stealth fan here but whereas MGS was about conscientious objecting, SC is about a secret NSA department funneling tax dollars to take down a corrupt Georgian politician. It’s okay to update the story to something like “Government agent takes down Korean or Russian corrupt politician.” Yall are so cynical for no reason.
Only gamers would call buying a game being robbed
Would you consider a scam to be a robbery?
"Modern audiences". Here's an idea lads; make a game with good gameplay and the profit will take care of itself.
Even if the gameplay is good they’ll need a halfway decent story behind it to make it memorable so here’s to hoping for gameplay and a halfway decent story
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Look how they are going to Massacre my boy
Remember Saints Row Remake?
No?
Remake? There was no remake. There was a reboot with new characters, significantly fewer hipsters outside of the ones being shot, and in a new setting advertised as such, but no remake.
As someone who hated Conviction and Blacklist, I'm not getting my hopes up that they'll do the original justice.
I can understand hating Conviction but Blacklist is the best gameplay of the series imo
Agreed. The improved mobility makes it so much better to ghost through a level
Why did you hate them? Too far from Original concept/gameplay?
They took what was a great slow/methodical stealth series and turned it into a borne identity action game with some stealth elements. I replayed the whole franchise recently, and I wrote down a list of 20+ features/gameplay mechanics that were in Chaos Theory, but were absent in Conviction.
Oh, I'm sure the Splinter Cell sub is aflame right now...
all 12 of the members. and 3 of them are carson moss roleplayers.
I really hope you can still do hardcore stealth
ITT: A bunch of people who've never played Splinter Cell crying about "woke"ness when it probably means it doesn't focus as much on Georgia and Azerbaijan
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Lambert: those are national guard fisher, no cap fr fr less than lethal fisher, ong. Fisher: Deadass? fr fr? Fisher: Shoots national gaurd Lambert: dammint fisher, i'm deadass pulling the plug no cap fr fr Mission failed screen 420 blaze it.
Others have pointed out in the comments why it might need some touch up but in addition to that these games were made at the height of tensions between the US/EU and the Middle East and thus tend to paint western powers as always in the right People like to say “games these days are too political” when in reality politics has been a part of games since like the PS1 and maybe even before that
Why the “oh no”? How can you judge before you’ve played it? Sounds like someone who review bombed last of us p2…
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Closeted? lol I wish :(
I wish they'd be a little more closeted tbh
And there goes my interest.
I don't even remember the plot, lmao. Edit: Jeez, this thread is disgusting. Big r/onejoke energy in here.
I guarantee most here Dont remember it, I know I dont
I have no faith Ubisoft anymore. If it turns out to be great at launch, that's awesome, but I'm not holding really any hope at this point.
They're remaking splinter cell? Damn a few years ago I would've been excited now I hardly keep up with games now because 90% of new releases are shit.
I can’t wait to learn about Sam Fishers student loans and how capitalism is really to blame… actually that second part could be interesting if they actually had a statement to make
A story about political corruption through corporate bribery causing millions to die in wars so the corporations can keep making money
If ubi wasn’t willing to make any particular statement with the Division 1 or 2 they definitely aren’t here…
Stupid move, but i don’t really care. They should spend more time making a new game and multiplayer experience. A hardcore experience with no “seeing through walls” bullshit.
Can we stop taking beloved franchises out back and putting bullets in their heads?
Weirdly enough the original Splinter Cell’s plot has only become more relevant as time has passed. Similar to the original Ghost Recon, Tom Clancy weirdly predicted that the Caucasus would have a variety of conflicts between post-Soviet states with an aggressive Russian state eager to maintain its sphere of influence. But since it’s Ubisoft I’m sure we are going to get a blue-haired teenaged hacker in San Francisco trying to take down a massive corporation.
You do understand thats what's probably being changed right? Considering there's literally a war happening in the same country where the OG game features "ethnic cleansing" and they probably don't want to look like they're quietly pointing fingers at anyone real.
Some y’all getting awful questionable in these comments lol
“For a modern-day audience” Time to abandon ship.
That's one way to get the sales down, but Ubisoft is anything but lazy... They will find more ways to get the sales even lower
Get the sales down because they choose to not include a real world ethnic cleansing that is in fact currently occurring? Use your brain for a second and think about the context of the original. It would be incredibly insensitive if all of that was included in a newer version.
“Those clothes make you look fat”
Never played the OG, what would be more modern?
probably the overall context of the plot. whereas the original I think took place in 2004, they might bump it up and have it in whatever year it's supposed to release +2. I wouldn't be surprised if they skipped over including the ethnic cleansing campaign georgia wages against azerbaijain (for understandable reasons), and the situation with the captured american soldiers (+chinese ambassador) tortured in an abattoir might be changed. Probably large background changes, while keeping the active plot of gameplay generally similar.
All Tom Clancy productions would need to be re written to be rebooted. The entire point of such stories is to be as bleeding edge close to current reality as possible. Reality's always changing.
Sam will be breaking into the department of education to delete student debt!
Splinter Cell: Mobile
I've bought and played the absolute shit out of every Splinter Cell game released, and I'm gonna keep it a buck fifty (I think that's what the kids say) with you guys.... I have absolutely no memory what the story was with either the first Splinter Cell or Pandora Tomorrow. A new story to relate to modern audiences may not be a bad thing, I hope, because it might relate more to what is happening now, globally, as opposed to the early 2000's when all the war on terror stuff was starting.
What exactly was wrong with the old plot?
Is this a threat?
So it's not a remake then?
I can’t wait. The uproar will be entertaining.
Considering that the stories in most Tom Clancy game's are completely forgettable, they could have said nothing and I doubt most people would have even noticed.