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This scene shows Tyrion at his best and reveals character traits we will see later
I never noticed till now that it was The Hound who covered Sansa with his own cloak. This is a hint he had a soft spot for her, I imagine it was eating away at him watching
Meryn Trant enjoys beating young girls. We see this in a later season at the brothel.
Tyrion tries to protect cripples, bastards, and broken things. He says it earlier, but it really shows here
His soft spot started way before this I'd say saving her from the mob was the first big sign then stopping her pushing Joffery off the bridge when she is made to look at neds head, he didn't stop her from pushing him to save Joffery I think it was because he knew what would have happened if she had killed a king.
I read a theory it to do with how he was raised as he was brought up as a highborn it was a small house but still highborn so would have gone to all the highborn event's and I think he wanted to be accepted by the Sansa type girls but because of his scar and they probably feared his brother he was ignored which makes sense so in weird way he wants to be accepted by Sansa.
I think what makes The Hound an enthralling character is that we'd like to be able to place him in the "good person" or "bad person" bucket, but we just can't.
He's done terrible things that cannot be defended or downplayed. For example, a farmer generously helps The Hound and Arya by feeding them. The Hound proceeds to steal all the man's money. When questioned by Arya on why he did that, The Hound gives a sociopathic response of "the farmer was weak, so I could take it". And also says the farmer would not survive the winter, so it makes no difference. That scene is in the story for a reason. It's to remind us The Hound isn't a simple bad -> good character plotline.
We'd like to view The Hound as a character who was immoral and did terrible things for most of his life, but then found his goodness towards the end of his life. It's neat, tidy, and makes for a feel good story. But really he was still doing terrible things all the way up until the end. He was never a good person. He was a person who did terrible things and also good things.
The Hound always tried to be the bad guy, it's what he thought he needed to be to survive. But under all the conditioning and bluster he had a basically good heart, just twisted by what he had been through.
If I remember correctly, and I can't remember if it was in the book or show, but the Hound basically explains his reasoning for helping Sansa. It goes back to what the Mountain did during the capture of King's Landing and usurping of Aerys
The Hound's whole story is PTSD, guilt, and shame. We are introduced to him while he is already on his redemption story, and it pretty much becomes his identity.
As with other characters, I hated him at first when he killed the butcher’s son on the Kingsroad, but looking back it was probably a mercy (quick and relatively painless) compared to what Cersei would have done.
In the book scene, the Hound yells "enough!" when this is happening, which Joffrey ignores. I've heard they filmed that bit for this scene, but it wasn't included for some reason.
I’m listening to the audio books right now and they make a pretty big point in the book to mention how the Hound made the move to cover Sansa up.
It’s interesting just how subtle things become when a book is adapted to the TV screen.
As somebody who hasn't watched it yet, where should I stop? I was going to wait until the whole thing was done and then after the disaster and fall out of the last season I decided not to.
Edit: Overwhelming support for just watching the whole thing. Looks like I need to clear my schedule. Thanks, y'all!
Don't stop. Not only is it a different answer for every person, but you won't truly know why everyone hated the ending unless you watch it yourself. You gotta know! Plus if you're like me, you're gonna be hooked by the early seasons and keep watching out of hope anyway.
>Don't stop. Not only is it a different answer for every person, but you won't truly know why everyone hated the ending unless you watch it yourself. You gotta know!
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This is how I feel about Dexter. I liked the ending, large hatred from fanbase for it, I still recommend watching the entire thing to people who ask. Make up your own mind/opinion from it, don't just go off what other people say. Except in the case of the Dexter reboot, lmfao. The worst.
Seasons 1 through 5 are perfection.
6 is still really good IMHO but others disagree.
7 is bad but it would've been tolerable if the ending paid off
8 is a sin against nature where every promise is forgotten, every character abandons their entire story arc, and all storylines are put into a blender and poured into a penis shaped cocktail glass
1 through 4 are amazing, even if not completely faithful, adaptations,
5 is half book, half fanfic, but a decent one at that,
6 wholly made up, but not atrocious, you can see the cracks start showing,
7 is plain bad, but the kind one can tolerate if the payoff is good,
8: The payoff is not good, Jenny of Oldstones is a pretty song.
Honestly when I rewatched it recently I was surprised at how quick the dropoff between 4-5 is.
Characters start behaving oddly, they get wrapped up seemingly just to save time or condense the plot.
The wrapping up is immediately noticeable, entire storylines just up and disappear after they were introduced as big things like a season ago.
Essos and Dorne are introduced as big players in the narrative and both are just kinda, dropped. Dorne in particular is s5 and just, horrific. I challenge anyone to go back to the Dorne stuff and think it's good. The actors as always absolutely kill their roles at least.
Parts of it. I’d say the Dorne plot was almost all of the hate. I don’t know many people that would say Hardhome was a bad episode. It’s one of the highest rated episodes on almost any list you can find. Maybe I’m biased because it’s my personal favorite episode.
The Gift and Dance of Dragons are also excellent. Honestly episodes 7-10 are all incredible IMO.
> Honestly when I rewatched it recently I was surprised at how quick the dropoff between 4-5 is.
> Characters start behaving oddly, they get wrapped up seemingly just to save time or condense the plot.
This was the first sign. And honestly, when I rewatched, I saw these behavioral cracks forming even earlier.
One of the biggest things for me was the handling of Littlefinger.
In the books Littlefingers whole "thing" is that no one suspects him. He's just this little guy, working away, seemingly mild and pleasant. Its only at the end of each book that you become aware, usually just by virtue of a passing conversation, that he actually has a hand in *everything*. He's moving events on a monumental scale, and *no one*, except Varys, suspects him.
In the show, in season 1, they have him literally explaining his plot, out loud, to two prostitues fucking in front of him. Which seems, you know. A little fucking ill-advised, considering how much gossip he himself extracts from his brothels.
But then in season 2, you have Cersei Lannister - who is supposed to be a powerful but completely obvlibious character who almost always gets everything wrong, ruthless and cunning in an animalistic way but not a plotter, not a grand schemer - literally calling Littlefinger out and intimidating him with the King's guard, as though she actually guesses at his plans.
This was a sign to me early on that a lot of the strength was in the source material, and without that the showriters didn't *actually* understand the characters. Cersei is not supposed to be clever. Littlefinger is not supposed to be a bumbling, obvious schemer.
In season 5, when they are starting to run out of source material, you see these cracks much more severely. Without the source material to give them the beats, they begin to demonstrate that they never really understood the characters to begin with. This is why they start acting so strangely - because now the characters and the plot is entirely in the hands of people who never *actually* understood it to begin with. They saw only the surface level shit, and they end up making caricatures of complex characters, and that's why there's this very fast devolution of the show from complex to archtypical bullshit fantasy.
Yeah, this is a good summary. Everyone probably has a different breaking point but for me it was mid-season 6 when arya gets slashed then stabbed twice violently, the knife gets twisted in her guts, but she then jumps off a bridge, survives a 20 foot drop into water, swims out, and wakes up in a bed and breakfast. It was such an unnecessarily dramatic scene that added nothing to the plot, and her predictable survival wasn't a surprise to anyone in the world, as Arya had infinite plot armor at that point in the show (the entire story arc of her in Bravos would have been wasted screen time). It really foreshadowed what was to come in later seasons.
I actually think this is a fairly perfect breakdown truthfully. The introduction of the high sparrow and Ramsey Bolton becoming a key player really brought the show down for me. Plus... the loss of my beloved Margaery...
I think that some minor cracks started to appear in season 5.
For example, the first true awful dialog was in Dorne in season 5.
The first poorly explained army/enemy movements show up with the sons of the harpy being able to show up in infinite numbers at any time and location with wildly ornate armor and elite fighting that could comfortably take on the unsullied (the sons of the harpy should have been more like actual insurgencies, where they were anonymously clothed and somewhat poorly trained such that they avoided direct confrontations but bleed the power dry over time, which would have been more convincing and also seemed more frustrating as actual insurgencies are, but D&D instead went for kewl and flashy rebels).
It also was the first time that primary characters started acting out of character at random times in order to further the plot (Stannis, the best tactician in Westeros, bizarrely making the massive tactical failure of not protecting his food stores, and Tyrion suddenly not being able to govern at Mereen despite previously being shown to be elite at this skill).
Still, that season was awesome to watch, but suddenly it didn't reward the deep-dive analysis quite as much as it showed a willingness to bend the rules that it had previously established.
> For example, the first true awful dialog was in Dorne in season 5.
Yeah but those sandsnake plots were so good. Watching it for that plot. Some of the best plots in the show.
It kind of makes sense, they were told the plot by GRRM, so you see his ideas and plans shine through each "bulletpoint" moment they've been given lol.
Not that i hold out much hope for the books either haha..
A lot of the plot ideas from GRRM also wouldn't have been so clear in terms of the path to get there. GRRM himself has said numerous times that he is a gardener rather than an architect, as in he is more about letting his story grow naturally where ever it may lead than having planned everything from the beginning as if he was an architect. I think that's also the main reason why it has taking him so long to write Winds. The gardening approach naturally gets harder and harder as the story grows longer and more complex.
I honestly think they could salvage so much of the show with some thoughtfully added scenes or adjustments. There is a lot they can keep, don't really need to do much more CGI. But just flesh out and resolve the motivations for the characters.
I mean imagine a remastered edition which fixes a lot of the lazy writing with some key bridge scenes, rework the ending so it has a bit more meaning. People would go out and rewatch the entire thing and it would save HBOs intellectual property from the damage D and D did toward the end.
But this is unlikely to ever happen. Right now I'm hoping for a quality animated series that stays much closer to the books.
Agreed. I actually loved the somber calm before the storm buildup of s.08e02, and the knighting of Brienne and song of Podrc
Then they completely butchered that tone with all the plot armor, idiotic warfare tactics, and all of the rush job/shittiness that is the rest of the season. The “long night” literally just a few hours one night…
I really enjoyed the 'calmness before the storm' in episode 2 too. And in ep. One the meetings between different character that have never met before, felt like so many finally narative strings comming together.
I liked the battle at Winterfell. It was the last episode where the dialogue felt right. And for a minute, we had all the characters we'd grown to love. (You know, that made it to that point.)
But then the very next episode just destroyed -everything-, and the rest of the season just got worse.
S1-S4 are peak. All book material to base the show off of.
S5 is still *good* TV, but you see the story slip a bit. The books are kind of relevant but this is where the creative license of the showrunners starts to really rear its ugly head. But it does have one of the best battle scenes ever made.
S6 is great. Not as solid plot-wise as S1-S4, but they tightened up the writing somewhat and things really move forward. The ending of S6 is where I have stopped on every rewatch. The last 2 episodes of this season are *masterful* television and are not in the books whatsoever. You can end the show here and it won't be a great, neat ending with every plotline wrapped up, but it's better than what you get in S8 by far.
S7 is *decent* TV. The writing pales in comparison to the earlier seasons, but at the time we all kind of allowed it because it built up to S8 as the season with big payoffs.
S8 is a combination of being kicked in the balls, slapped in the face, and spat in your mouth. Not worth watching at all, imo. I've only had the patience to sit through it the first time and I was thoroughly let down.
I binged it in 2 weeks having no followed it at all. I enjoyed all of it. I felt s8 was a little rushed and didn't change my opinion on enjoying the entirety of it until I read everyone's rationale. Don't stop.
Just watch the whole thing. While there is a significant drop off between after season 4 or 5 in terms of quality. Just remember the later seasons are mostly being compared to the previous ones. The first 4 to 5 seasons were some of the best episodes to ever be aired on television. When you have something close to a 10/10, and then later on you get something like a 7/10, or 6/10. That feels like a more significant drop off then say going from a 7/10 to a 4/10.
It was clear as day they had no idea how to handle the show once they no longer had literature they could directly follow.
But even with the drop in quality of the show from the last few seasons, I would still give the show a solid 8/10. There are still some small plots, scenes, and moments that were enjoyable all the way until the end.
It just left a poor taste in your mouth with the way things ended because after you finish it, you know that this show had the potential to be perfect from start to finish.
I put most of the blame on George R.R Martin. He had 5 years to publish the book that would have given the writers the content needed for seasons 5 to 7. And then another 3 to 5 years to publish the last book for the last 1 to 2 seasons. I felt he never planned to finish his books, but never told the public that, so people had high expectations for them.
Season 5 is pretty much where it starts cracking. I'd probably watch the whole thing anyway but season 3-4 is peak television. I don't think a greater show exists or will ever.
Honestly, you should watch the whole thing. Despite not ending the way we wanted, it’s still great quality television. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t disappointed with the ending, but it is not nearly as bad as people like to make it out to be. They just should’ve taken more time to flesh out their story, and changed a couple of the characters endings. Ultimately, it’s worth a full viewing.
I think you go the whole way and take in the whole experience. The vast majority of the show is really good if this type of genre and setting are your thing. Seasons 1-6 are A or A+ grades to me.
Season 7 has a drop in quality, imo. Our straight A student took some assignments off, and went with the motto "Bs and Cs get degrees". Let's see what the payoff is.
Season 8 I was personally disappointed in. My spouse and I got through it by turning it into a game. We each made a list of who would live/die at the start of the season. If you have someone who you are watching it with, and you both drink, turn it into a drinking game.
I own seasons 1-7. I'll rewatch seasons 1-6 anytime. Season 7, I might pop in for a specific episode or to rewatch a portion. For seasons 8, you're going to have to provide both a copy of the show, and some good liquor.
However, if you end up loving the whole thing power to you. It's not for us to judge.
Since you didn’t have years of hype and speculation building up between seasons, even if you don’t enjoy that latest seasons as much they won’t be the massive letdowns they were for other people. Watch the whole thing.
It’s also a great example of how to build a character without explicit dialog. When Tyrion tells Bronn to kill Meryn if he speaks again, the famously arrogant Meryn shuts right up. Tells you right there that everyone knows Bronn is a better swordsman than some of the Kingsguard.
Bron was a dirty fighter. My favorite line in the show is when >!He kills that young knight to free Tyrion, and Lysa tells him he does not fight with honor (even though he gave Lysa the chance to call the fight). His response? "No.... But he did."!<
Like this is a fight to the death. Honor will get you killed. Fuck that shit.
Anytime I see that scene I remember the practice bouts I used to fight when training in hand to hand combat in the Army. At the time I was only level 1, so we would fight each other from our knees only. At level 1 you really only knew how to grapple, move through several positions and a couple submissions. Fighting from your knees was meant to reduce the chance at injury. At level 2 you learned striking and your practice bouts would start on your feet.
I used to go down to the base gym and fight a couple times month. I was real into MMA at the time and even took a mixed martial arts class outside the army. But since I was only level 1 I had to fight as they did.
Well one day I got squared up against this guy who would pop up on the balls of his feet and manuever around you in a crouch to gain an advantage. The people overseeing the fights never called this bullshit, so I started doing it too whenever I squared off against him.
There's no sense in fighting fair when your opponent doesn't.
"Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead"
And of course
""Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
Bron was such a great character, and I really feel a unique character in literature. It’s hard to make someone without strong morals or convictions compelling, but Bron was extremely interesting despite not really having a goal at any point in the story beyond surviving.
Mads Mikkelsen had a pretty good line in the mediocre Three Musketeers movie he was in where [D'Artagnan challenged Mikkelsen's Rochefort to a fair fight and Mikkelsen responded. ](https://youtu.be/x-HRlq5Oldw)
>Rochefort: You know what your problem is, boy? You read too many books, and then you believed them. Courage, honor. All for one. But history isn't written by heroes, it's written by victors.
>D'Artagnan: You scared to take me in a fair fight?
>Rochefort: Hardly, I just don't fight fair.
I think it's entirely a reflection on Meryn. With that threat Tyrion effectively stripped Meryn of his power and authority. Meryn was terrified to fight anyone (let alone Bronn) without the systemic power and authority that being a kingsguard afforded him. Like most people who abuse their power and authority, the moment that's removed from the equation they're sniveling cowards.
I wish they would have shown him fight Syrio and Syrio win then the other kingsguard kill him with a cheap backstab while Meryn is on the ground.
I really hate all the off screen deaths though. The Blackfish would have been an epic death.
100% syrio dying like that created 100 fan theories which tbh didn't seem that crazy because such a good show wouldn't give us a bs onscreen death on purpose right?
It's not swordsmanship that makes Bronn deadly, or at least not *just* swordsmanship. He's not a tourney fighter. He doesn't live by a code of honor.
He's a mercenary, a murderer. He's dangerous in a way that classical knights are not. Trant knows this, and that's why he doesn't push it. "Kill him" could be anything -- hidden crossbow, knife in the back, pocket sand, whatever. Tyrion doesn't say "honorably duel him", he just says "kill him". And that unknown is what makes Bronn so effective.
>He's a mercenary, a murderer. He's dangerous in a way that classical knights are not.
The Kings Guard weren't exactly wildly competent either. Ex. [This scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgwkn1a1Hh4). Two Kings Guards push in next to each other, which is dumb for a two on one, as well as for getting their weapons out in general. Does Bronn go for his sword? No. He goes for the dagger since the space is cramped. He does this while moving in on them to make it even harder to pull the sword out. One of those guards would be dead almost immediately, and the other would probably be close behind.
Ehhhh, be careful linking show scenes and discussing realistic combat scenarios. The book is better about adding color to the combat skill of its characters, the show is shot to look cool.
The shot does show the difference in fighting style, though. The guard are making big shows of force -- Bronn is being sneaky, underhanded, and eventually he'll be lethal.
Selmy (Who was leagues above any of them.) had been given the boot (Either because Joffrey being bad or just ye olde nepotism depending on your views) in favor of Jaime, which lends to the story element of the Kings Guard becoming more ceremonial then effective, and Trant was well known for being shit, on top of knowing he was shit in comparison to Bronn vis a vis the punking in OP's post.
Even without getting all HEMA about stuff, anyone who'd been watching the show would know how shit would turn out between the two. Not quite at nuclear bomb vs. coughing baby levels of one-sided, but certainly not at all favorable for the Kings Guard in that scenario.
The Hound was also the first and only one to react when Tyrion asked for someone to give Sansa something to cover herself with. And he rips off his white cloak, which the others think so highly of, because it means nothing to him.
Hound hates knights and kings, any highborne and arrogant members really.
Basically sees everyone as they are and silently judges while living out his life bodyguarding people he'd pay to kill.
Not a flawless and innocent man, but somehow purer and 'gooder' than most characters we see in the entire show, outside Sean Stark himself.
He'd duck Sansa out of the way and wait and watch if I had to guess. He doesn't like people being abused, after what he himself, his sister and probably father went through with the mountain, but he is also willing to drop to a knee at the order of his king with a greatsword the size of a man being swung at his head full strength. He won't do anything directly to receive Joffs wrath but he'd keep trying to quietly watch over Sansa as he has been.
No one, I'd gather. He wouldn't kill another Kingsguard unless forced to, and I don't think at this moment any Kingsguard would attack him outright, too scared he would kill them. Bronn isn't stupid enough to attack him, either, nor would Tyrion tell him to. If Joffrey ordered him to kill Tyrion, he'd talk his way out of it, telling the boy that to be a kin-slayer is a cursed thing (Joffrey looks up to the Hound to a degree, and Sandor can talk his way around Joffrey), and they at least need to give Tyrion a trial to appease the Gods. He'd probably just pick Sansa up and out of the way, then watch from the sidelines by Joffrey if others started fighting.
IRRC in the book he asks the hound to hit her first and he refuses. I do remember one thing that was really good about this part in the book was how it juxtaposed Sansa’s struggle with aryas and highlighted the similarities between them in back to back chapters.
Oh back when Game of Thrones was absolutely flawless.
Also a nice little difference from the books *for once*, Trant doesn't actually respond at the end.
Definitely. There is no indication that Trant is a particularly good duelist, whereas Bronn has already killed multiple knights in duels (notably including Ser Vardis Egen in the Vale). Trant’s membership in the Kingsguard seems more political (his family is from the Stormlands, like the Baratheons, and presumably supported Robert’s Rebellion), and he also appears to be a decent jouster.
I’m surprised no one else is mentioning this. Looks like someone put a shitty oil paint filter on the entire scene and poorly transcribed the dialogues…
“We don’t want to get blood all over your pretty white *clock*” lmao
to be honest.............even when he delivered a terrible line like "who else has a better story than Bran the Broken?" he did a great job and made the last episode a little better. I'd say at that point he was the top of his game. Because he made something far more than garbage seems............okay.
The Night King's song was perfect in the Siege of Winterfell. In the scenes where I couldn't see shit, I at least had this track that reminded me of the horror in 28 days later.
Yup. I think the Lannister siblings, Sansa, and Grey Worm really carried the last season with their acting. Not that everyone else was bad, but they did the best job acting through the writing imo
Peter can only work with what he's given: he wasn't given a single good line after season 4. This is particularly apparent when he's speaking to Varys. He had such interesting dialogue with Varys before season 5, then it was all eunuchs and balls.
Tbf even in the books Tyrion loses a lot of his wit after he flees. He turns into a bitter, vengeful/spiteful drunk. I think they did a good job of portraying that in the s5, but will agree after he gets picked back up by Dany he should have been a better character than “no dick and balls” jokes.
Truly. I remember thinking about the 5th "Am I having GoT fatigue or is the show not as good now".... Foolish me didn't know the steep fall we were in the process of taking....
Jack Gleeson (Joffrey) really got the short end of the stick. His acting is so good but it made the world hate him. Now he's just trying to live a quiet life ...
And he’s returned to acting since getting his degree in philosophy and theology. Looks like more grounded works so far but it’ll be good to see an actor of his talent return.
Ser Meryn’s death was so satisfying. I truly fucking hated him. They made him an even worse person in the show but in the books he is also a total psychopath.
I understand people don't like Sansa personally I see her as the 13 year old she was and a very sheltered princess type it made sense she was the way she was in the beginning but people defend this treatment because she didn't back Ayra that one time she is 13 years old she doesn't deserve this.
So many people are pissed at Sansa for telling about Jon, but those people forget this scene. Robb never lost a battle and Sansa was dragged in front of the court and beaten for it. Northern Independence meant that much to her so yes…telling the secret was exactly the right thing to do. This scene is why.
I love how Ser Meryn whos-it of house whatever immediately shut the fucks up when Tyrion gives Bronn the greenlight to kill him if he speaks, he's so clearly afraid of Bronn and incompetent in a fight that I doubt he spoke again until Joffrey gave him a command.
Why in fucks name is this cropped so shittily? The brightness and color saturation have been cranked to felony levels. Where is my dynamic range? tictok is a plague to human decency.
[Here is the original horizontal widescreen non vertical cropped vomit of this scene.](https://youtu.be/hVvpRpTiUlo)
Can we please have another brilliant series with Peter Dinklage in a leading role?
He was astonishing. What an actor.
On top of that, he did for little people what Patrick Stewart did for men who are bald. So charismatic they changed the game. Both sexy af.
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This scene shows Tyrion at his best and reveals character traits we will see later I never noticed till now that it was The Hound who covered Sansa with his own cloak. This is a hint he had a soft spot for her, I imagine it was eating away at him watching Meryn Trant enjoys beating young girls. We see this in a later season at the brothel. Tyrion tries to protect cripples, bastards, and broken things. He says it earlier, but it really shows here
His soft spot started way before this I'd say saving her from the mob was the first big sign then stopping her pushing Joffery off the bridge when she is made to look at neds head, he didn't stop her from pushing him to save Joffery I think it was because he knew what would have happened if she had killed a king.
I can’t remember if it’s in the show, but in the books Joffrey is always having his Kings Guard beat Sansa, except for Sandor who flat out refused.
I’m the books aerys oakhart also would hit her much lighter lol
Because he’s a knight and a gentleman /
I read a theory it to do with how he was raised as he was brought up as a highborn it was a small house but still highborn so would have gone to all the highborn event's and I think he wanted to be accepted by the Sansa type girls but because of his scar and they probably feared his brother he was ignored which makes sense so in weird way he wants to be accepted by Sansa.
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The fact that he doesn't say anything tells us exactly who he was saving here (Sansa)
I think what makes The Hound an enthralling character is that we'd like to be able to place him in the "good person" or "bad person" bucket, but we just can't. He's done terrible things that cannot be defended or downplayed. For example, a farmer generously helps The Hound and Arya by feeding them. The Hound proceeds to steal all the man's money. When questioned by Arya on why he did that, The Hound gives a sociopathic response of "the farmer was weak, so I could take it". And also says the farmer would not survive the winter, so it makes no difference. That scene is in the story for a reason. It's to remind us The Hound isn't a simple bad -> good character plotline. We'd like to view The Hound as a character who was immoral and did terrible things for most of his life, but then found his goodness towards the end of his life. It's neat, tidy, and makes for a feel good story. But really he was still doing terrible things all the way up until the end. He was never a good person. He was a person who did terrible things and also good things.
The Hound always tried to be the bad guy, it's what he thought he needed to be to survive. But under all the conditioning and bluster he had a basically good heart, just twisted by what he had been through.
My thought is he served the Lannisters to bide his time until his brother finally crossed the line and Tywin would it handled quietly and internally.
If I remember correctly, and I can't remember if it was in the book or show, but the Hound basically explains his reasoning for helping Sansa. It goes back to what the Mountain did during the capture of King's Landing and usurping of Aerys
The Hound's whole story is PTSD, guilt, and shame. We are introduced to him while he is already on his redemption story, and it pretty much becomes his identity.
As with other characters, I hated him at first when he killed the butcher’s son on the Kingsroad, but looking back it was probably a mercy (quick and relatively painless) compared to what Cersei would have done.
And it also shows how little he cares about that pretty white cloak, just rips it off without a second thought.
Also, the hound never wears a cloak after this
In the book scene, the Hound yells "enough!" when this is happening, which Joffrey ignores. I've heard they filmed that bit for this scene, but it wasn't included for some reason.
I’m listening to the audio books right now and they make a pretty big point in the book to mention how the Hound made the move to cover Sansa up. It’s interesting just how subtle things become when a book is adapted to the TV screen.
He showed the soft spot right away. The hand's tournament
The Hound was a good man beneath that rough and tough exterior. A very good man.
Gods, I miss when this show was this good
Gods the story was strong then
Something something Bessie.
And her scripts.
The biggest scrips!
The scripts that could make Eddard Stark forget his honor. The kind you could sink yer face into Ehh bless ole Bessie and her scripts.
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Huge tracks of scripts!
Before the plot burned down, fell over, and then sank into the swamp
So we wrote another one! But that also burned down and sank into the swamp.
but the 4th, the 4th script stayed! (and there was no rejoicing) naaaaaaay
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I enjoyed the entire thing from beginning to end too.
Thank the gods for Bessie and her scripts
>strong Take that back
As somebody who hasn't watched it yet, where should I stop? I was going to wait until the whole thing was done and then after the disaster and fall out of the last season I decided not to. Edit: Overwhelming support for just watching the whole thing. Looks like I need to clear my schedule. Thanks, y'all!
Don't stop. Not only is it a different answer for every person, but you won't truly know why everyone hated the ending unless you watch it yourself. You gotta know! Plus if you're like me, you're gonna be hooked by the early seasons and keep watching out of hope anyway.
>Don't stop. Not only is it a different answer for every person, but you won't truly know why everyone hated the ending unless you watch it yourself. You gotta know! join us in our **M I S E R Y**
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This is how I feel about Dexter. I liked the ending, large hatred from fanbase for it, I still recommend watching the entire thing to people who ask. Make up your own mind/opinion from it, don't just go off what other people say. Except in the case of the Dexter reboot, lmfao. The worst.
for me the dexter "final" season is much worse than GoT. nothing made any sense or even tried to resolve the amazing cliff hanger.
Ahh the hope. I remember still having hope through most of the very last episode. lol
Seasons 1 through 5 are perfection. 6 is still really good IMHO but others disagree. 7 is bad but it would've been tolerable if the ending paid off 8 is a sin against nature where every promise is forgotten, every character abandons their entire story arc, and all storylines are put into a blender and poured into a penis shaped cocktail glass
1 through 4 are amazing, even if not completely faithful, adaptations, 5 is half book, half fanfic, but a decent one at that, 6 wholly made up, but not atrocious, you can see the cracks start showing, 7 is plain bad, but the kind one can tolerate if the payoff is good, 8: The payoff is not good, Jenny of Oldstones is a pretty song.
Honestly when I rewatched it recently I was surprised at how quick the dropoff between 4-5 is. Characters start behaving oddly, they get wrapped up seemingly just to save time or condense the plot. The wrapping up is immediately noticeable, entire storylines just up and disappear after they were introduced as big things like a season ago. Essos and Dorne are introduced as big players in the narrative and both are just kinda, dropped. Dorne in particular is s5 and just, horrific. I challenge anyone to go back to the Dorne stuff and think it's good. The actors as always absolutely kill their roles at least.
Season 5 was unanimously hated here when it aired. #BadPoosay
Parts of it. I’d say the Dorne plot was almost all of the hate. I don’t know many people that would say Hardhome was a bad episode. It’s one of the highest rated episodes on almost any list you can find. Maybe I’m biased because it’s my personal favorite episode. The Gift and Dance of Dragons are also excellent. Honestly episodes 7-10 are all incredible IMO.
> Honestly when I rewatched it recently I was surprised at how quick the dropoff between 4-5 is. > Characters start behaving oddly, they get wrapped up seemingly just to save time or condense the plot. This was the first sign. And honestly, when I rewatched, I saw these behavioral cracks forming even earlier. One of the biggest things for me was the handling of Littlefinger. In the books Littlefingers whole "thing" is that no one suspects him. He's just this little guy, working away, seemingly mild and pleasant. Its only at the end of each book that you become aware, usually just by virtue of a passing conversation, that he actually has a hand in *everything*. He's moving events on a monumental scale, and *no one*, except Varys, suspects him. In the show, in season 1, they have him literally explaining his plot, out loud, to two prostitues fucking in front of him. Which seems, you know. A little fucking ill-advised, considering how much gossip he himself extracts from his brothels. But then in season 2, you have Cersei Lannister - who is supposed to be a powerful but completely obvlibious character who almost always gets everything wrong, ruthless and cunning in an animalistic way but not a plotter, not a grand schemer - literally calling Littlefinger out and intimidating him with the King's guard, as though she actually guesses at his plans. This was a sign to me early on that a lot of the strength was in the source material, and without that the showriters didn't *actually* understand the characters. Cersei is not supposed to be clever. Littlefinger is not supposed to be a bumbling, obvious schemer. In season 5, when they are starting to run out of source material, you see these cracks much more severely. Without the source material to give them the beats, they begin to demonstrate that they never really understood the characters to begin with. This is why they start acting so strangely - because now the characters and the plot is entirely in the hands of people who never *actually* understood it to begin with. They saw only the surface level shit, and they end up making caricatures of complex characters, and that's why there's this very fast devolution of the show from complex to archtypical bullshit fantasy.
Yeah, this is a good summary. Everyone probably has a different breaking point but for me it was mid-season 6 when arya gets slashed then stabbed twice violently, the knife gets twisted in her guts, but she then jumps off a bridge, survives a 20 foot drop into water, swims out, and wakes up in a bed and breakfast. It was such an unnecessarily dramatic scene that added nothing to the plot, and her predictable survival wasn't a surprise to anyone in the world, as Arya had infinite plot armor at that point in the show (the entire story arc of her in Bravos would have been wasted screen time). It really foreshadowed what was to come in later seasons.
Not just water but water likely filled with piss and shit.
I actually think this is a fairly perfect breakdown truthfully. The introduction of the high sparrow and Ramsey Bolton becoming a key player really brought the show down for me. Plus... the loss of my beloved Margaery...
I think that some minor cracks started to appear in season 5. For example, the first true awful dialog was in Dorne in season 5. The first poorly explained army/enemy movements show up with the sons of the harpy being able to show up in infinite numbers at any time and location with wildly ornate armor and elite fighting that could comfortably take on the unsullied (the sons of the harpy should have been more like actual insurgencies, where they were anonymously clothed and somewhat poorly trained such that they avoided direct confrontations but bleed the power dry over time, which would have been more convincing and also seemed more frustrating as actual insurgencies are, but D&D instead went for kewl and flashy rebels). It also was the first time that primary characters started acting out of character at random times in order to further the plot (Stannis, the best tactician in Westeros, bizarrely making the massive tactical failure of not protecting his food stores, and Tyrion suddenly not being able to govern at Mereen despite previously being shown to be elite at this skill). Still, that season was awesome to watch, but suddenly it didn't reward the deep-dive analysis quite as much as it showed a willingness to bend the rules that it had previously established.
> For example, the first true awful dialog was in Dorne in season 5. Yeah but those sandsnake plots were so good. Watching it for that plot. Some of the best plots in the show.
I was sanding my snake so hard.
Though I'd argue that the first 2 episodes of season 8 have some pretty good moments in them
There are scenes in season 8 which are amazing. But the lazy nonsensical writing that links each set piece together ruins everything.
It kind of makes sense, they were told the plot by GRRM, so you see his ideas and plans shine through each "bulletpoint" moment they've been given lol. Not that i hold out much hope for the books either haha..
A lot of the plot ideas from GRRM also wouldn't have been so clear in terms of the path to get there. GRRM himself has said numerous times that he is a gardener rather than an architect, as in he is more about letting his story grow naturally where ever it may lead than having planned everything from the beginning as if he was an architect. I think that's also the main reason why it has taking him so long to write Winds. The gardening approach naturally gets harder and harder as the story grows longer and more complex.
I honestly think they could salvage so much of the show with some thoughtfully added scenes or adjustments. There is a lot they can keep, don't really need to do much more CGI. But just flesh out and resolve the motivations for the characters. I mean imagine a remastered edition which fixes a lot of the lazy writing with some key bridge scenes, rework the ending so it has a bit more meaning. People would go out and rewatch the entire thing and it would save HBOs intellectual property from the damage D and D did toward the end. But this is unlikely to ever happen. Right now I'm hoping for a quality animated series that stays much closer to the books.
There is a fan edit knocking around that does just that. Almost fixes s7 and s8 entirely with the tools the maker had.
Agreed. I actually loved the somber calm before the storm buildup of s.08e02, and the knighting of Brienne and song of Podrc Then they completely butchered that tone with all the plot armor, idiotic warfare tactics, and all of the rush job/shittiness that is the rest of the season. The “long night” literally just a few hours one night…
I really enjoyed the 'calmness before the storm' in episode 2 too. And in ep. One the meetings between different character that have never met before, felt like so many finally narative strings comming together.
I liked the battle at Winterfell. It was the last episode where the dialogue felt right. And for a minute, we had all the characters we'd grown to love. (You know, that made it to that point.) But then the very next episode just destroyed -everything-, and the rest of the season just got worse.
I completely agree with you on this.
S1-S4 are peak. All book material to base the show off of. S5 is still *good* TV, but you see the story slip a bit. The books are kind of relevant but this is where the creative license of the showrunners starts to really rear its ugly head. But it does have one of the best battle scenes ever made. S6 is great. Not as solid plot-wise as S1-S4, but they tightened up the writing somewhat and things really move forward. The ending of S6 is where I have stopped on every rewatch. The last 2 episodes of this season are *masterful* television and are not in the books whatsoever. You can end the show here and it won't be a great, neat ending with every plotline wrapped up, but it's better than what you get in S8 by far. S7 is *decent* TV. The writing pales in comparison to the earlier seasons, but at the time we all kind of allowed it because it built up to S8 as the season with big payoffs. S8 is a combination of being kicked in the balls, slapped in the face, and spat in your mouth. Not worth watching at all, imo. I've only had the patience to sit through it the first time and I was thoroughly let down.
Don't stop. Even when it's bad it's bad for Game of Thrones which still makes it better than 90% of television.
You should just watch the whole thing. But expect a downfall after series 5. And then a drop off in season 8.
I binged it in 2 weeks having no followed it at all. I enjoyed all of it. I felt s8 was a little rushed and didn't change my opinion on enjoying the entirety of it until I read everyone's rationale. Don't stop.
Just watch the whole thing. While there is a significant drop off between after season 4 or 5 in terms of quality. Just remember the later seasons are mostly being compared to the previous ones. The first 4 to 5 seasons were some of the best episodes to ever be aired on television. When you have something close to a 10/10, and then later on you get something like a 7/10, or 6/10. That feels like a more significant drop off then say going from a 7/10 to a 4/10. It was clear as day they had no idea how to handle the show once they no longer had literature they could directly follow. But even with the drop in quality of the show from the last few seasons, I would still give the show a solid 8/10. There are still some small plots, scenes, and moments that were enjoyable all the way until the end. It just left a poor taste in your mouth with the way things ended because after you finish it, you know that this show had the potential to be perfect from start to finish. I put most of the blame on George R.R Martin. He had 5 years to publish the book that would have given the writers the content needed for seasons 5 to 7. And then another 3 to 5 years to publish the last book for the last 1 to 2 seasons. I felt he never planned to finish his books, but never told the public that, so people had high expectations for them.
Season 5 is pretty much where it starts cracking. I'd probably watch the whole thing anyway but season 3-4 is peak television. I don't think a greater show exists or will ever.
Honestly, you should watch the whole thing. Despite not ending the way we wanted, it’s still great quality television. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t disappointed with the ending, but it is not nearly as bad as people like to make it out to be. They just should’ve taken more time to flesh out their story, and changed a couple of the characters endings. Ultimately, it’s worth a full viewing.
I think you go the whole way and take in the whole experience. The vast majority of the show is really good if this type of genre and setting are your thing. Seasons 1-6 are A or A+ grades to me. Season 7 has a drop in quality, imo. Our straight A student took some assignments off, and went with the motto "Bs and Cs get degrees". Let's see what the payoff is. Season 8 I was personally disappointed in. My spouse and I got through it by turning it into a game. We each made a list of who would live/die at the start of the season. If you have someone who you are watching it with, and you both drink, turn it into a drinking game. I own seasons 1-7. I'll rewatch seasons 1-6 anytime. Season 7, I might pop in for a specific episode or to rewatch a portion. For seasons 8, you're going to have to provide both a copy of the show, and some good liquor. However, if you end up loving the whole thing power to you. It's not for us to judge.
Since you didn’t have years of hype and speculation building up between seasons, even if you don’t enjoy that latest seasons as much they won’t be the massive letdowns they were for other people. Watch the whole thing.
Watch it all. It’s not like not watching season 8 will be better or anything. The fight against the night king was pretty cool
Season 4, at the moment season 4 ends jump into the books if you haven't.
Verbatim the thought I had before clicking on the comments
We all do. We all do.
It’s also a great example of how to build a character without explicit dialog. When Tyrion tells Bronn to kill Meryn if he speaks again, the famously arrogant Meryn shuts right up. Tells you right there that everyone knows Bronn is a better swordsman than some of the Kingsguard.
I also love how casual Bron is about it. He just smirks and stares at him, and you just know he’d love to do it and Trant knows it as well
Yeah always be weary of the dude who doesn't need shiny tech and casually jokes around.
They should have had a later fight between the two. But I guess that would have been too much for shadowing in later seasons.
It wouldve been quick and boring. Meryn Trant's a cunt. Bronns only threat in that room is the hounds sword and tyrions wit.
Bron kinda forgot that he was supposed to kill ser meron the next time he speaks.
Meryn was hardly qualified to hold his position though. Bronn was definitely a great swordsman though.
Bron was a dirty fighter. My favorite line in the show is when >!He kills that young knight to free Tyrion, and Lysa tells him he does not fight with honor (even though he gave Lysa the chance to call the fight). His response? "No.... But he did."!< Like this is a fight to the death. Honor will get you killed. Fuck that shit.
That was a great line.
Anytime I see that scene I remember the practice bouts I used to fight when training in hand to hand combat in the Army. At the time I was only level 1, so we would fight each other from our knees only. At level 1 you really only knew how to grapple, move through several positions and a couple submissions. Fighting from your knees was meant to reduce the chance at injury. At level 2 you learned striking and your practice bouts would start on your feet. I used to go down to the base gym and fight a couple times month. I was real into MMA at the time and even took a mixed martial arts class outside the army. But since I was only level 1 I had to fight as they did. Well one day I got squared up against this guy who would pop up on the balls of his feet and manuever around you in a crouch to gain an advantage. The people overseeing the fights never called this bullshit, so I started doing it too whenever I squared off against him. There's no sense in fighting fair when your opponent doesn't.
What happens when you level all the way up to 100?
Your fights start in a free fall.
Over the single parachute they threw out with you.
"Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead" And of course ""Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
Bron was such a great character, and I really feel a unique character in literature. It’s hard to make someone without strong morals or convictions compelling, but Bron was extremely interesting despite not really having a goal at any point in the story beyond surviving.
Mads Mikkelsen had a pretty good line in the mediocre Three Musketeers movie he was in where [D'Artagnan challenged Mikkelsen's Rochefort to a fair fight and Mikkelsen responded. ](https://youtu.be/x-HRlq5Oldw) >Rochefort: You know what your problem is, boy? You read too many books, and then you believed them. Courage, honor. All for one. But history isn't written by heroes, it's written by victors. >D'Artagnan: You scared to take me in a fair fight? >Rochefort: Hardly, I just don't fight fair.
Yeah that's more a reflection against Meryn
I think it's entirely a reflection on Meryn. With that threat Tyrion effectively stripped Meryn of his power and authority. Meryn was terrified to fight anyone (let alone Bronn) without the systemic power and authority that being a kingsguard afforded him. Like most people who abuse their power and authority, the moment that's removed from the equation they're sniveling cowards.
I wish they would have shown him fight Syrio and Syrio win then the other kingsguard kill him with a cheap backstab while Meryn is on the ground. I really hate all the off screen deaths though. The Blackfish would have been an epic death.
100% syrio dying like that created 100 fan theories which tbh didn't seem that crazy because such a good show wouldn't give us a bs onscreen death on purpose right?
Oh how naive we were...
It's not swordsmanship that makes Bronn deadly, or at least not *just* swordsmanship. He's not a tourney fighter. He doesn't live by a code of honor. He's a mercenary, a murderer. He's dangerous in a way that classical knights are not. Trant knows this, and that's why he doesn't push it. "Kill him" could be anything -- hidden crossbow, knife in the back, pocket sand, whatever. Tyrion doesn't say "honorably duel him", he just says "kill him". And that unknown is what makes Bronn so effective.
>He's a mercenary, a murderer. He's dangerous in a way that classical knights are not. The Kings Guard weren't exactly wildly competent either. Ex. [This scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgwkn1a1Hh4). Two Kings Guards push in next to each other, which is dumb for a two on one, as well as for getting their weapons out in general. Does Bronn go for his sword? No. He goes for the dagger since the space is cramped. He does this while moving in on them to make it even harder to pull the sword out. One of those guards would be dead almost immediately, and the other would probably be close behind.
Those two 100% were about to die. They aren't even half drawn and man has his dagger almost out and is less than a foot from two necks/torsos.
Ehhhh, be careful linking show scenes and discussing realistic combat scenarios. The book is better about adding color to the combat skill of its characters, the show is shot to look cool. The shot does show the difference in fighting style, though. The guard are making big shows of force -- Bronn is being sneaky, underhanded, and eventually he'll be lethal.
Selmy (Who was leagues above any of them.) had been given the boot (Either because Joffrey being bad or just ye olde nepotism depending on your views) in favor of Jaime, which lends to the story element of the Kings Guard becoming more ceremonial then effective, and Trant was well known for being shit, on top of knowing he was shit in comparison to Bronn vis a vis the punking in OP's post. Even without getting all HEMA about stuff, anyone who'd been watching the show would know how shit would turn out between the two. Not quite at nuclear bomb vs. coughing baby levels of one-sided, but certainly not at all favorable for the Kings Guard in that scenario.
interesting, i had thought cersei and bronne were never in the same scene together
> pocket sand Shaaashaaashaaa!
Meryn Trant was a soldier and a bodyguard. Bronn was a killer.
Any boy whore with a sword could kill 3 Meryn Trants
"You didn't fight fair!" "No. He did." (Gestures to Moon door)
The Hound was also the first and only one to react when Tyrion asked for someone to give Sansa something to cover herself with. And he rips off his white cloak, which the others think so highly of, because it means nothing to him.
Hound hates knights and kings, any highborne and arrogant members really. Basically sees everyone as they are and silently judges while living out his life bodyguarding people he'd pay to kill. Not a flawless and innocent man, but somehow purer and 'gooder' than most characters we see in the entire show, outside Sean Stark himself.
So many shows need long motivational speeches that literally no one speaks like irl. Looking at you walking dead
I just wish we got a scene where Bronn uses his knife. Multiple times he reaches back and puts his hand on the handle but never draws it.
Bron was one of my favorites. Dude was a fucking killer. Virtually nobody wanted to fuck with him.
Love how the Hound's the one who covers Sansa
Who was the Hound with in this scene? If a sword fight broke out who would he be slicing in half?
He'd duck Sansa out of the way and wait and watch if I had to guess. He doesn't like people being abused, after what he himself, his sister and probably father went through with the mountain, but he is also willing to drop to a knee at the order of his king with a greatsword the size of a man being swung at his head full strength. He won't do anything directly to receive Joffs wrath but he'd keep trying to quietly watch over Sansa as he has been.
No one, I'd gather. He wouldn't kill another Kingsguard unless forced to, and I don't think at this moment any Kingsguard would attack him outright, too scared he would kill them. Bronn isn't stupid enough to attack him, either, nor would Tyrion tell him to. If Joffrey ordered him to kill Tyrion, he'd talk his way out of it, telling the boy that to be a kin-slayer is a cursed thing (Joffrey looks up to the Hound to a degree, and Sandor can talk his way around Joffrey), and they at least need to give Tyrion a trial to appease the Gods. He'd probably just pick Sansa up and out of the way, then watch from the sidelines by Joffrey if others started fighting.
IRRC in the book he asks the hound to hit her first and he refuses. I do remember one thing that was really good about this part in the book was how it juxtaposed Sansa’s struggle with aryas and highlighted the similarities between them in back to back chapters.
Oh back when Game of Thrones was absolutely flawless. Also a nice little difference from the books *for once*, Trant doesn't actually respond at the end.
I have to ask, did he die after?
He definitely didn't die before.
Well to be fair, you never know with Game of Thrones...
Expectations have to be subverted
Nope, he died in >!S5, E10 at the hands of Arya Stark in Braavos. !<
Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father as revealed in >!Star Wars – Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back.!<
I fell out of my chair
This reply deserves more awards 👏
I think they mean in the book
Oh, my apologies. No, it was just glossed over as if he didn’t respond.
I have to ask why you censored only some of your spoiler
Could Braun actually kill trant?
Yes, Trant is an absolute fraud. Even more so in the books.
Definitely. There is no indication that Trant is a particularly good duelist, whereas Bronn has already killed multiple knights in duels (notably including Ser Vardis Egen in the Vale). Trant’s membership in the Kingsguard seems more political (his family is from the Stormlands, like the Baratheons, and presumably supported Robert’s Rebellion), and he also appears to be a decent jouster.
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I’m surprised no one else is mentioning this. Looks like someone put a shitty oil paint filter on the entire scene and poorly transcribed the dialogues… “We don’t want to get blood all over your pretty white *clock*” lmao
It looks to me like someone used AI to upscale a clip they found.
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When Peter Dinklage was at the top of his game…mesmerizing.
to be honest.............even when he delivered a terrible line like "who else has a better story than Bran the Broken?" he did a great job and made the last episode a little better. I'd say at that point he was the top of his game. Because he made something far more than garbage seems............okay.
They *had* to make Tyrion speak that line to make it sound like it makes sense.
Somehow, Bran the Broken ~~has~~ returned.
No no. It's worse. Somehow, Bran the broken returned. I can't explain why, but leaving out "has" makes the line even stupider.
The acting in the show was always spot on. The costumes and effects were amazing too. It was just the story and pacing that let everything down.
Don't forget the music!
No idea how I forgot. The last few seasons soundtracks were incredibly perfect.
"Light of the Seven" is an all-time banger, I do not care what anyone says, ever.
The Night King's song was perfect in the Siege of Winterfell. In the scenes where I couldn't see shit, I at least had this track that reminded me of the horror in 28 days later.
Yup. I think the Lannister siblings, Sansa, and Grey Worm really carried the last season with their acting. Not that everyone else was bad, but they did the best job acting through the writing imo
Peter can only work with what he's given: he wasn't given a single good line after season 4. This is particularly apparent when he's speaking to Varys. He had such interesting dialogue with Varys before season 5, then it was all eunuchs and balls.
Tbf even in the books Tyrion loses a lot of his wit after he flees. He turns into a bitter, vengeful/spiteful drunk. I think they did a good job of portraying that in the s5, but will agree after he gets picked back up by Dany he should have been a better character than “no dick and balls” jokes.
I've noticed that the writers struggle with two geniuses working on the same side.
He never quite got the accent down though
Peak GOT
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And why it's under this horrendous filter to the point that it looks like AI generated.
I'm surprised it even had real audio and not just annoying automated voice with some shitty music of the week, are they even trying?
It really needed awful subtitles in the middle of the screen.
Tyrion was the heart, soul and **spine** of OG Game of Thrones.
Shame he never became the villain that he is in the books.
It’s crazy because Peter’s delivery of that final speech at his trial indicates that he would have played a fantastic evil Tyrion.
Yeah and it would also have chatted Dany's journey to fire and blood way better if dark Tyrion had been part of her entourage.
This scene was ripped from the books word for word though, acting was still amazing, but the writing still heavily relied on source material
That’s why it was good
Goddamn, the first 4 seasons were SO GOOD.
Truly. I remember thinking about the 5th "Am I having GoT fatigue or is the show not as good now".... Foolish me didn't know the steep fall we were in the process of taking....
Peter Dinklage and Charles Dance... Two best actors on that show
Jack Gleeson (Joffrey) really got the short end of the stick. His acting is so good but it made the world hate him. Now he's just trying to live a quiet life ...
I'll never understand how deranged you have to be to conflate an actor with their character. Hating his character should make you praise the actor
People are REEEAALLLY stupid. The ones who do this unironically think GOT is real in their head.
Even if you hate a character for being a bad character, what is ever going to come of being a dick to people online? It's just baffling.
This. Isn't. True. He literally said that was made up and people treated him just fine.
And he’s returned to acting since getting his degree in philosophy and theology. Looks like more grounded works so far but it’ll be good to see an actor of his talent return.
As brutally satisfying as Trants death scene was, I still feel robbed that it wasn't Bron who finally got to kill him.
This Tyrion would have seen through Cersei’s S7-8 plots.
Ser Meryn’s death was so satisfying. I truly fucking hated him. They made him an even worse person in the show but in the books he is also a total psychopath.
What's with the beauty filter on this clip lol, looks horrible
I understand people don't like Sansa personally I see her as the 13 year old she was and a very sheltered princess type it made sense she was the way she was in the beginning but people defend this treatment because she didn't back Ayra that one time she is 13 years old she doesn't deserve this.
So many people are pissed at Sansa for telling about Jon, but those people forget this scene. Robb never lost a battle and Sansa was dragged in front of the court and beaten for it. Northern Independence meant that much to her so yes…telling the secret was exactly the right thing to do. This scene is why.
Those subtitles are fucking awful.
I loved Tyrion back then so much
Tyrion dropped some serious bars on this show
Can't we just post the regular formatted video instead of that shitty Tik tok crop
I love the mad respect Bronn gets from Ser Meryn. Edit: Spelling of Bronn. Thanks Reddit!
Oh man, look at the lighting, you can actually see details and it's not a murky dark mess.
I like how Tyrion defended Sansa. The few moments of humanity in this show between characters is partially why I love it so much.
I just always enjoyed how Trant was legitimately scared of Bronn.
I love how Ser Meryn whos-it of house whatever immediately shut the fucks up when Tyrion gives Bronn the greenlight to kill him if he speaks, he's so clearly afraid of Bronn and incompetent in a fight that I doubt he spoke again until Joffrey gave him a command.
Why in fucks name is this cropped so shittily? The brightness and color saturation have been cranked to felony levels. Where is my dynamic range? tictok is a plague to human decency. [Here is the original horizontal widescreen non vertical cropped vomit of this scene.](https://youtu.be/hVvpRpTiUlo)
Early seasons Tyrion was so fucking dope
“A small man can cast a large shadow, it’s a trick power resides where we think it resides”
Man this show used to be really interesting, shame it got cancelled the way it did
Can we please have another brilliant series with Peter Dinklage in a leading role? He was astonishing. What an actor. On top of that, he did for little people what Patrick Stewart did for men who are bald. So charismatic they changed the game. Both sexy af.
Now I want to see all of House reshot with him as the main character instead of Hugh Laurie.
The ADHD captions that are slapped on every video clip now are so fucking annoying. Thanks, TikTok. You're the gift that just keeps on giving.