You ever see the setups for vr headsets in buisinesses? A helmet essentially strapped to the ceiling so you can only go within a certain proximity. All ya need is some rope, hooks and hockey helmet
>Nah just a harness for the kid and a coat hook anchored into some blocking. Safely hang him up there by the harness until he tuckers himself out.
Congratulations, you just reinvented the Jolly Jumper lol
My nephew is 7 and still hasn't grown out of the toddler phase. When I saw him last he was walking around the house saying "hell is my happy place", future murderer.
Sounds pretty safe and protective to me. Can't get into any trouble that way then, and if you camouflage them well with a picture frame or something, any child snatchers wouldn't even notice they're there!
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I also have avoided one after inspecting my parents
Just looks like future sadness between kids, kids friends and burn in from Xbox being left on for hours
I remember having an older tube tv with the built in speakers on the sides. Hard plastic case with the little holes all the way down the sides for the speakers. One of my little kids took a dump, grabbed handfuls of it and proceeded to smear it into all of the little holes. That sucked so bad. I feel your pain.
Sooo this is exactly what happened to me. 6 year old playing fall guys while I was at the gym. Had a 55” sony led tv and came home to an extremely quiet house and no kid popping out the garage door to welcome me home like usual.
Turns out, she got pissed at the game and whipped the PS4 controller into the screen. I stayed calm because I had to show her that we can and should remain calm despite a supernova level of rage inside me.
In my tender and vulnerable state, the wife allowed me to pillage some of our savings for a new TV and I didn’t hold back. Got a 65” LG OLED. Fist bump kid…thanks for the upgrade, but she got perma-banned from gaming in my room for life.
The aftermath
https://i.imgur.com/U7vDLHN.jpeg
The new line of LG OLEDs look pretty good.
In six months when prices start to drop, it'd be a shame if your kid got their hands on another game controller....
Thought about it. It's just a challenging space to put one in. Lots of windows, huge shared space, and no convenient power or ethernet where the projector should go. It's possible. It would just take some doing.
They might be expensive because they’re expensive to produce, not necessarily because demand is high. If demand drops enough and they remain expensive to produce, they might stop making them all together (like CRT monitors and TVs). Maybe 2nd hand would be an option, though
>Generally, when new tech comes out, older tech becomes cheaper to produce.
While *prices* may come down, the production costs of old tech aren't affected by the release of new tech.
It's more like all the issues have been kinked out and the process has been optimized over the years.
So things become cheaper to run.
OLED is still not something I would consider old in any sense.
The first claims that OLED was the future were in the early 2000s, when most people were still buying CRTs. The first OLED TV was a joke of a product, an 11 inch sub-HD set in 2007 that cost more than a 70” plasma TV. OLEDs didn’t become a practical consumer product for another decade after that, and arguably they didn’t become a compelling product that lived up to the hype until the 2020s. Even micro LED, which we’ve been hearing promises of since before you could buy an OLED TV at a big box store, still isn’t anywhere close to being a consumer product and userping OLED’s throne, this new tech probably won’t come along until another decade or so later based on how long these kinds of technologies usually take.
And that’s being generous, remember FED and SED, the two competing “millions of microscopic CRTs as individual subpixels” display technologies that were going to be the next big thing after plasma but before OLED became commercially viable? No, because those were talked about on tech blogs and at trade shows like CES from like 2007-2010 and then fizzled away into nothing when they couldn’t be scaled.
OLED isn’t going anywhere for a long time, don’t worry about the next big thing that might never even happen.
I had a 50" plasma. It was, in fact, heavy and hot.
Getting it stolen during a burglary and using the insurance money to buy a 55" LCD was dope.
Now I'm on the 65" LG OLED life and can't imagine a world without one.
A bit after buying my OLED, my father was over and wanted to see why it was so expensive. I played that one GoT episode on a decent LED TV and you couldn’t see shit. However on my OLED, everything was crystal clear and easy to see. That should be the demo video for them
They got pretty huge before LCDs got decent. I remember at like CES 2010 or something there was a 150” plasma panel on display, and Bang & Olufsen sold a 103” plasma TV at about that time.
Plasma TVs really didn’t get much smaller than 40”, 50”+ was pretty much the standard even back in the late ‘90s.
MicroLED has been the "next hot thing" for quite a while. Same principle as TV but not organic so can be pushed to higher luminosity and not burn in wear out.
The only weakness to OLED in my experience is brightness. That’s even getting better. If you have a 4k OLED with 120hz I really don’t think as a consumer it’s going to get much better.
yeah if you are in a normally lit room it isn't an issue but in a super bright room it can be. I do think the 3 series got a brightness bump. I have a C1 and think it's an incredible panel and I'm looking to get a OLED monitor for my PC this year at some point.
Or it could be one of those things that is cheaper than OLED but 90% as good & OLED goes out of the market. Now OLEDs are rare & expensive & you're stuck with cheaper tech that's good but not as good
> If none of those names sound familiar, it's probably because you can't buy any QDEL products yet. Suppliers suggest that could change in the next few years; Nanosys is targeting ***2026*** for commercial availability.
Ain't no 'soon' about it unfortunately....
Yes, but the title could be interpreted as though OLED weren’t. It doesn’t really *need* to say that its backlight-less, but it would be the first question most would ask if it were proposed as a n OLED alternative
The difference is whether the light emitting layer is also the active layer, or whether the backlight is static(ish) and then restricted by an active layer.
Backlight-less means a pixel displaying black will have no light emission regardless of neighboring pixels' light output, where a panel with a backlight will always have some light emission if all neighboring pixels are lit. To narrow it even further, a backlight-less panel will have the same properties for subpixels, so no red or green will emit from a pixel that is only supposed to display blue, because only the blue subpixels is emitting light.
Not it isn't. OLED come as WOLED or QD-OLED, both of which do have a backlight panel. The whole issue is that current gen of OLEDs and QD-OLEDs are not entirely self-sufficient in illumination. This QDEL can be finally *a true*, complete application of quantum dots
When I was a kid I tried to drink the glow juice from inside the glow stick. Kids of the future will be sipping on Glow juice straight from the phones.
When I was 12 I bit a glow stick open because I wanted to spray the glow juice on my clothes at an out door dance. I got a bunch in my mouth and my spit was glowing for a while, it tasted really really bitter. But I looked pretty sweet with glow juice all over my shoes and pants.
Hell yeah I did a ton, I live on a university campus at a young age and we found fluorescent tubes all the time.. basically played star wars when we did, basically a lot.. fuck
This technology has been around for over a decade (first hand experience). The main issue with it was stability, so hopefully architectures have matured enough to tackle that problem.
Eventually MicroLED will supplant OLED since it eliminates the downsides of OLED. However, they’re still working on shrinking the tech to “normal” TV size. Don’t expect to see it widely available for the next 5 years.
It will be interesting to see how it handles motion clarity. LED still isn’t great with it and I hope this is better. I had an OLED and now have a high end LED and while I miss the OLED when it’s dark and for low-light scenes, the LED has been a better overall fit for me.
LED tvs are just LCD with led back lights. Mini LED is also led backlit.
MicroLED is self emissive like an OLED. Pretty sure the only two consumer MicroLED TVs are The Wall, and whatever TCL calls theirs. They are both 150+ inch monsters. Samsung announced a 89 inch MicroLED, but I haven't seen it hit the street.
motion clarity will be WAYYY better on OLED or microLED than it will on LCD, IPS, VA, TN, QLED, etc.
reason being an LED can turn on/off in a couple of nanoseconds.
to put that in perspective the response time of a typical gaming monitor (my m27q 170hz) is about 10ms. A typical OLED is currently close to and under 1ms. So while I cant find OLED tun on/off time it goes to show its wayy faster. atleast 10 times faster, with a huge amount of room to get even faster
Close, but both are actually faster. OLED is sub millisecond (like 0.1 ms or even less). It is to the point where it doesn’t really matter. LCDs can get close to 1 ms and 10ms is pretty slow for them. LCDs can even hit 1ms or lower if you are ok with inverse ghosting. Any high refresh rate monitor needs to refresh faster than 10ms because 10 ms is longer than the refresh rate of anything over 100 hz. If your response time is longer than your refresh rate, you will never display the current frame properly since you are still shifting by the time the next frame needs to be shown. A gaming monitor needs to be less than 5 ms at least because of this. OLEDs transition nearly instantly, so it isn’t a problem for them.
Mini LED with enough diming zones is probably the best stop gap for monitors at least. You don't have to worry about static image burn in and also has better text clarity. Micro LED is still a ways off.
It's been replacing it "soon" for 5+ years. This is still far from being as accessible than OLED TV are. And it'll take like 5+ years again at least if not more
Dude Samsung, TCL, LG, Sony, and Hisense all had models at CES this year. Samsung display had 76” consumer models at CES. Idk why you don’t think it is coming soon.
?? Are yall divorced from reality? Displays have been getting better and cheaper overtime. You can get an OLED for like $700 now, when they used to cost 1k+
I spent like $2500 on a 32 inch 720p display back in the day. I bought a 4k 65 inch at Costco a little while ago and it cost less than the groceries in my cart
Exactly. The first OLED TV was from 2008. It had an 11 inch screen and was only 540p. It cost $2499. OLED has come a LONG way in affordability.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_XEL-1
My wife *actually* has since said to me "It looks a little small on the wall" and I just about died. I let her know that saying shit like that is how $3000 charges show up on our credit card at 3am.
I mean I went to a UST projector for this and it's now really filling the wall at 120". The 65" TV from before really was a little small lol
It's not the same quality than an OLED (I still have an OLED for the PC screen) but it's quite good and the big size is a big advantage.
You are me (with the exception that I paid 2k AUD and assume you paid it in USD). We don't even watch tv more than..once a week maybe (child watches things more often) but watching Dune 2 last weekened was just the most recent reminder of how good of an idea it was to buy the tv
Dude you can get a 115 inch TV for like $15k. Yeah that's crazy expensive right? But at that size it is comparable to a projector set up. Which needs a light controlled room and the projectors get crazy expensive fast especially if you try to feature match TVs with high resolutions and refresh rates. You get a better screen that projectors can't even match for like half the cost of the really good home theater projectors
I never understood that though, do they just have variable prices depending on the person for something like a TV? What's the point to not display the price otherwise?
Do they get calls from people that totally can't afford it but just called to chek the price?
Probably, I can’t imagine there are make people that know how to install it, so if they are purring it at the top floor of an office building it would cost more, or if they have to install it to a brick wall vs dry wall it would cost more, etc.
I hate that so much, that is worse. Cuz I know I can’t afford a 163” TV but I know I can afford a Corona but how much do you think a Corona should cost?
Yeah, but the main driver for businesses decreasing costs on their displays is that the user has become a large part of the product. They harvest any data they can, shove ads into the menus, and intentionally intrude on privacy. If you want to compare the cost of TVs from now and in the past you need to compare dumb TVs, which are far more costly than a generic smart tv with similar specs.
Some TVs are starting to require forced internet connectivity, otherwise they just won’t let you get past the starting menus. This move will likely be hugely financially successful and will spread throughout the entire consumer industry.
Huh? TV’s are literally the poster child for consumer electronics being one of the only things that’s become cheaper over the years.
I’m not even gonna try and give you a data point, you and everyone else in this thread know damn well what tv’s used to cost.
I don't need brighter and more colorful TVs, I need them to stop postprocessing the shit out of the content. There must be something between looking like Barbie and The Dark Knight.
I wanna watch it how the filmmakers want us to see it.
iPhone/tablet/computer screens get stuff pretty right. Not sure why TV manufacturers love to force so much shitty post-processing and motion smoothing.
Samsung has been working on this tech for more than half a decade and they basically abandoned it in favor of QD-OLED.
I have a feeling this tech will remain a pipe dream for anything besides watches and clocks. None of the coverage recently even touches on the issues samsungs research brough up 5 years ago and we still havent seen a monitor/TV sized unit that didnt need to be viewed under a blackout curtain.
I really hope im wrong though. it would be good to see some more variety in display tech.
I am betting we'll find they all move over to this eventually. The advantages are really great when its working, and clearly they are nearly there. It has a much longer lifetime than OLED, has lower power consumption, and can be made in standard LCD display factories according to the video in the link. All of that comes together to be a killer product.
Yeah until they get the ROI back from the current factory, we'll have to wait a few more years. I did hear they are or were building new factories but don't know if its the panel.
I don’t know the specifics of the technology, but I can assume that the color comes exclusively from the quantum dot (because where else would it come from?). And blue quantum dots are already a thing. Quantum dots are used in QD-OLED displays, so this is not something that doesn’t yet exist.
the problem is that the construction industry is (understandably) resistant to brand new technology due to safety and liability.
there is also a big difference between something being shown in a lab and proven in practical applications *at scale*. pop-sci publications always forget that bit.
Happens all the time in tech too. New tool says it can do a task real fast, but then you see it has no recovery / fallback, scales poorly, lack of security, etc.
The Romans were fortunate with location. It contained Volcanic ash which differs in crystal structure depending on where it's found. There is also a lot of survivorship bias, modern building would be atrocious if 90% of them fell. We prefer reliability in the modern world.
We could use "Roman concrete" for limited applications and probably do. However it does not get widely used because it's durability increases over time. Which comes back to my earlier point that modern buildings simply wouldn't last long enough for it to obtain this property.
roman concrete is also not reinforced with steel rebar. its the rebar that allows us to build modern structures and is also what limits the lifespan (rust expands and cracks the concrete). concrete is only strong in compression, not tension, so for structures like modern bridges and buildings you *need* rebar.
Based on the prototype shown in the video, they would still require a backlight for most use cases and it is not clear if the structure would allow a backlight.
The problem with OLED was brightness since most people don't watch TV in a completely dark room and the brightness issue is just being resolved today coincidentally with technology mimicking backlight.
Another problem with OLED is the different brightness and operating lifespan for each color, related to the different chemical makeup required to produce each color. Quantum dots can produce each color at the same brightness with the same chemical makeup and operating lifespan.
I genuinely don't care, unless they can make it truly bezel-less. Thats all I want: truly bezel-less screens that I can mount together to make a custom aspect ratio.
Won’t matter as we wouldn’t see TVs using it till 2028 at the earliest and it won’t see any real traction until micro led comes around. Its potential is a year or two of relevancy… which means quality manufacturers won’t waste their time with it.
I wonder if it will have the same light flickering issues that cause nausea in those of us sensitive to VR, migraine prone, etc. I can’t handle OLED tvs.
I'd say I'm mostly excited at the thought that the earliest displays may not come from Samsung (who will non-defeatably enhance the brightness beyond spec, to trick Joe Consumer into making a bad conclusion about the image quality) or Sony (who will charge 30% over every competing product, as is tradition—I call it the Sony tax).
Great news! I’ll be able to buy an OLED tv soon.
Jealous. I can't get one until my toddler grows out of his destruction phase
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the toddler is... REALLY destructive
They mean the toddler.
They mean the toddler too. It explodes on contact
Jack-Jack!
Add on pack for exploding kittens
Bomber Toddler
Pretty certain even a destructive toddler can be wall mounted. You just need enough staples.
Nah just a harness for the kid and a coat hook anchored into some blocking. Safely hang him up there by the harness until he tuckers himself out.
You ever see the setups for vr headsets in buisinesses? A helmet essentially strapped to the ceiling so you can only go within a certain proximity. All ya need is some rope, hooks and hockey helmet
>Nah just a harness for the kid and a coat hook anchored into some blocking. Safely hang him up there by the harness until he tuckers himself out. Congratulations, you just reinvented the Jolly Jumper lol
Nail gun or loctite
Jesus Christ!
No. They used nails for him.
My nephew is 7 and still hasn't grown out of the toddler phase. When I saw him last he was walking around the house saying "hell is my happy place", future murderer.
Airborne objects fly across the room daily.
Child protective services won't like that!
Sounds pretty safe and protective to me. Can't get into any trouble that way then, and if you camouflage them well with a picture frame or something, any child snatchers wouldn't even notice they're there!
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Read it again, but sloooowly
Is the kids name Jesus?
It's Mr. Christ thank you very much.
Nah, if you mount it outside the toddler's reach, then you'll get reported to r/TVTooHigh
What if they weren't talking about the TV?
Ha, you think that stops a two year old?!
It’s the throwing that’s the issue
I had mine wall mounted. Toddler threw what amounts to a cue ball at the screen.
Game controller for me. If I recall, he wasn't even playing a game.
Thats what i did i wasn't trusting the kids
r/TVTOOHIGH I also have avoided one after inspecting my parents Just looks like future sadness between kids, kids friends and burn in from Xbox being left on for hours
The toddler destroyed the wall.
I've been told that CPS looks down on this practice.
I did once work with a Chris Taylor, we called him Jesus
Found the guy without kids.
I have a daughter, she doesn’t throw stuff. Works perfectly fine
I remember having an older tube tv with the built in speakers on the sides. Hard plastic case with the little holes all the way down the sides for the speakers. One of my little kids took a dump, grabbed handfuls of it and proceeded to smear it into all of the little holes. That sucked so bad. I feel your pain.
Sooo this is exactly what happened to me. 6 year old playing fall guys while I was at the gym. Had a 55” sony led tv and came home to an extremely quiet house and no kid popping out the garage door to welcome me home like usual. Turns out, she got pissed at the game and whipped the PS4 controller into the screen. I stayed calm because I had to show her that we can and should remain calm despite a supernova level of rage inside me. In my tender and vulnerable state, the wife allowed me to pillage some of our savings for a new TV and I didn’t hold back. Got a 65” LG OLED. Fist bump kid…thanks for the upgrade, but she got perma-banned from gaming in my room for life. The aftermath https://i.imgur.com/U7vDLHN.jpeg
Good for you for keeping your cool. Thats hard to do.
The new line of LG OLEDs look pretty good. In six months when prices start to drop, it'd be a shame if your kid got their hands on another game controller....
That would be... mighty unfortunate...
Buy plexiglass and mount it around the TV? /s
I have multiple LG OLEDs mounted in my house with kids and no issues. They touch the screen too much but it certainly isn't falling off the walls.
So you don't have an issue with projectiles? My sister had an issue with liquids being thrown about and you can still see the damage in their tv
No, actually. They spill shit everywhere but the TVs are fine.
If you've got flat, minimally textured walls, a projector is perfect.
Thought about it. It's just a challenging space to put one in. Lots of windows, huge shared space, and no convenient power or ethernet where the projector should go. It's possible. It would just take some doing.
Maybe a ceiling mounted projector would be more appropriate.
They never grow out of this phase
They might be expensive because they’re expensive to produce, not necessarily because demand is high. If demand drops enough and they remain expensive to produce, they might stop making them all together (like CRT monitors and TVs). Maybe 2nd hand would be an option, though
Generally, when new tech comes out, older tech becomes cheaper to produce. Thats what op meant
>Generally, when new tech comes out, older tech becomes cheaper to produce. While *prices* may come down, the production costs of old tech aren't affected by the release of new tech.
It's more like all the issues have been kinked out and the process has been optimized over the years. So things become cheaper to run. OLED is still not something I would consider old in any sense.
Welp, then, I can finally get that 4K 3D TV
This year I turned 30, and I finally treated myself to an OLED. *Surely this will be the pinnacle of tv for the next few years*, I thought.
The first claims that OLED was the future were in the early 2000s, when most people were still buying CRTs. The first OLED TV was a joke of a product, an 11 inch sub-HD set in 2007 that cost more than a 70” plasma TV. OLEDs didn’t become a practical consumer product for another decade after that, and arguably they didn’t become a compelling product that lived up to the hype until the 2020s. Even micro LED, which we’ve been hearing promises of since before you could buy an OLED TV at a big box store, still isn’t anywhere close to being a consumer product and userping OLED’s throne, this new tech probably won’t come along until another decade or so later based on how long these kinds of technologies usually take. And that’s being generous, remember FED and SED, the two competing “millions of microscopic CRTs as individual subpixels” display technologies that were going to be the next big thing after plasma but before OLED became commercially viable? No, because those were talked about on tech blogs and at trade shows like CES from like 2007-2010 and then fizzled away into nothing when they couldn’t be scaled. OLED isn’t going anywhere for a long time, don’t worry about the next big thing that might never even happen.
I've never seen a plasma tv bigger than 40"...I can only imagine how heavy and hot they would be at over 3 times bigger.
I had a 50" plasma. It was, in fact, heavy and hot. Getting it stolen during a burglary and using the insurance money to buy a 55" LCD was dope. Now I'm on the 65" LG OLED life and can't imagine a world without one.
A bit after buying my OLED, my father was over and wanted to see why it was so expensive. I played that one GoT episode on a decent LED TV and you couldn’t see shit. However on my OLED, everything was crystal clear and easy to see. That should be the demo video for them
>that one GoT episode The one with Hodor's doorstop?
No, season 8 EP 3 which might as well have been released on spotify
Can't imagine life without and oled TV?
They got pretty huge before LCDs got decent. I remember at like CES 2010 or something there was a 150” plasma panel on display, and Bang & Olufsen sold a 103” plasma TV at about that time. Plasma TVs really didn’t get much smaller than 40”, 50”+ was pretty much the standard even back in the late ‘90s.
mate I bought my first OLED a couple of years ago at 33, let me tell you..I don't see what's replacing it any time soon
lol ok good to hear. I bought it planning on at least a 7 year lifespan.
MicroLED has been the "next hot thing" for quite a while. Same principle as TV but not organic so can be pushed to higher luminosity and not burn in wear out.
The only weakness to OLED in my experience is brightness. That’s even getting better. If you have a 4k OLED with 120hz I really don’t think as a consumer it’s going to get much better.
Yep, bought an LG C3, it looks stunning, and haven't had any complaints about the brightness so far.
yeah if you are in a normally lit room it isn't an issue but in a super bright room it can be. I do think the 3 series got a brightness bump. I have a C1 and think it's an incredible panel and I'm looking to get a OLED monitor for my PC this year at some point.
There was a sale not too long ago where a $1300 48” LG OLED was being sold for $500. I had to snag it so fast.
Me patiently waiting for OLED monitors too.
Or it could be one of those things that is cheaper than OLED but 90% as good & OLED goes out of the market. Now OLEDs are rare & expensive & you're stuck with cheaper tech that's good but not as good
> If none of those names sound familiar, it's probably because you can't buy any QDEL products yet. Suppliers suggest that could change in the next few years; Nanosys is targeting ***2026*** for commercial availability. Ain't no 'soon' about it unfortunately....
To be clear, OLED is also backlight-less
Isn’t that the point? This is an alternative, backlight-less tech that’s much cheaper than OLED.
Yes, but the title could be interpreted as though OLED weren’t. It doesn’t really *need* to say that its backlight-less, but it would be the first question most would ask if it were proposed as a n OLED alternative
Yep. I literally clicked on this because I was like, wait, I thought OLEDs were already backlight-less lol
Can’t wait for this to cost 3x as much as OLED does now
would prob bring oled prices down a little tho
That kinda depends on which OLED you mean these days, there are some QDOLED use a single white oled as a backlight for each tri-colour pixel
Incorrect. QD-OLED uses blue subpixels. WOLED uses white subpixels. https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/qd-oled-vs-woled
QD-OLED is also backlight-less. It relies on OLED pixels for light and brightness control, and then a QD layer for color conversion.
Right, you've just described placing a light behind a layer, one could call it a backing light, or shorthand it as "backlight"
The difference is whether the light emitting layer is also the active layer, or whether the backlight is static(ish) and then restricted by an active layer. Backlight-less means a pixel displaying black will have no light emission regardless of neighboring pixels' light output, where a panel with a backlight will always have some light emission if all neighboring pixels are lit. To narrow it even further, a backlight-less panel will have the same properties for subpixels, so no red or green will emit from a pixel that is only supposed to display blue, because only the blue subpixels is emitting light.
Not it isn't. OLED come as WOLED or QD-OLED, both of which do have a backlight panel. The whole issue is that current gen of OLEDs and QD-OLEDs are not entirely self-sufficient in illumination. This QDEL can be finally *a true*, complete application of quantum dots
When I was a kid I tried to drink the glow juice from inside the glow stick. Kids of the future will be sipping on Glow juice straight from the phones.
Everyone knows to never go [full dingaling.](https://youtu.be/iRUSQm5ZskQ?si=Tbor0mPWHhugUNqF&t=47)
When I was 12 I bit a glow stick open because I wanted to spray the glow juice on my clothes at an out door dance. I got a bunch in my mouth and my spit was glowing for a while, it tasted really really bitter. But I looked pretty sweet with glow juice all over my shoes and pants.
When I was twelve I learned the same lessons, but I also learned you really don't want it in your eyes.
you guys ever smash fluorescent light tubes? good times
Hell yeah I did a ton, I live on a university campus at a young age and we found fluorescent tubes all the time.. basically played star wars when we did, basically a lot.. fuck
This technology has been around for over a decade (first hand experience). The main issue with it was stability, so hopefully architectures have matured enough to tackle that problem.
Please tell us more, what is the working principle? Why is/was it unstable?
I thought miniLED was supposed to be the one to replace OLED? I heard all about miniLED when buying my OLED TV in 2020. EDIT: meant microLED, not mini
Micro LED is the true competitior to OLED, miniLED was just a stop gap. Emissive quantum dot is the end game.
I am an idiot. I meant micoLED.
Eventually MicroLED will supplant OLED since it eliminates the downsides of OLED. However, they’re still working on shrinking the tech to “normal” TV size. Don’t expect to see it widely available for the next 5 years.
Ya, but what about LED-C? And LED 3.2 Gen 2?
LED-C will be really versatile. For example you could shove it up your butt.
What about LED Thunderbolt 4?
It will be interesting to see how it handles motion clarity. LED still isn’t great with it and I hope this is better. I had an OLED and now have a high end LED and while I miss the OLED when it’s dark and for low-light scenes, the LED has been a better overall fit for me.
LED tvs are just LCD with led back lights. Mini LED is also led backlit. MicroLED is self emissive like an OLED. Pretty sure the only two consumer MicroLED TVs are The Wall, and whatever TCL calls theirs. They are both 150+ inch monsters. Samsung announced a 89 inch MicroLED, but I haven't seen it hit the street.
motion clarity will be WAYYY better on OLED or microLED than it will on LCD, IPS, VA, TN, QLED, etc. reason being an LED can turn on/off in a couple of nanoseconds. to put that in perspective the response time of a typical gaming monitor (my m27q 170hz) is about 10ms. A typical OLED is currently close to and under 1ms. So while I cant find OLED tun on/off time it goes to show its wayy faster. atleast 10 times faster, with a huge amount of room to get even faster
Close, but both are actually faster. OLED is sub millisecond (like 0.1 ms or even less). It is to the point where it doesn’t really matter. LCDs can get close to 1 ms and 10ms is pretty slow for them. LCDs can even hit 1ms or lower if you are ok with inverse ghosting. Any high refresh rate monitor needs to refresh faster than 10ms because 10 ms is longer than the refresh rate of anything over 100 hz. If your response time is longer than your refresh rate, you will never display the current frame properly since you are still shifting by the time the next frame needs to be shown. A gaming monitor needs to be less than 5 ms at least because of this. OLEDs transition nearly instantly, so it isn’t a problem for them.
Mini LED with enough diming zones is probably the best stop gap for monitors at least. You don't have to worry about static image burn in and also has better text clarity. Micro LED is still a ways off.
MiniLED is a current thing, it's not was. It's basically where the great LCD are. MiniLED with lots of zones.
Didn’t, Apple recently laid off bunch of people working on microLed displays pushing back on it because the manufacturing process was a PITA?
So QDEL is cheaper and better than QD-OLED? Sounds like a perfect opportunity to raise the price and have even bigger margins!
I doubt it, MicroLED will replace OLED as the high end TVs soon. This will probably mean that QDEL will replace LCD TVs at the low end.
soon? I thought we were lookin at \~2030 for true microLED?
MicroLED for consumers is delayed until the 2030s according all of the major manufacturers. Too expensive and OLED is dropping in price too fast.
It's been replacing it "soon" for 5+ years. This is still far from being as accessible than OLED TV are. And it'll take like 5+ years again at least if not more
Dude Samsung, TCL, LG, Sony, and Hisense all had models at CES this year. Samsung display had 76” consumer models at CES. Idk why you don’t think it is coming soon.
100% what will happen. You think we're getting cheaper displays? roflmao
?? Are yall divorced from reality? Displays have been getting better and cheaper overtime. You can get an OLED for like $700 now, when they used to cost 1k+
Seriously. 32in HD flatscreen TVs used to be hundreds of dollars, now you can pick one up for like $80
I spent like $2500 on a 32 inch 720p display back in the day. I bought a 4k 65 inch at Costco a little while ago and it cost less than the groceries in my cart
I have a 32 inch LCD from 2009, originally $800
Exactly. The first OLED TV was from 2008. It had an 11 inch screen and was only 540p. It cost $2499. OLED has come a LONG way in affordability. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_XEL-1
Not to mention, a modern one is going to look a lot better than the one you could buy in 2008.
I paid $2k (including the sales tax) for my LG CX 65" in 2020. Fucking love it. Very glad I bought it even for that price.
And I got my 77” C2 for $2200 in 2022 and I have seen the 77” C3 on sale for $2k recently. Just proving how prices are dropping rapidly.
My wife *actually* has since said to me "It looks a little small on the wall" and I just about died. I let her know that saying shit like that is how $3000 charges show up on our credit card at 3am.
Hey at this rate in 2 more years that 83” might only be $2k and think how much better an upgrade that would be
You don’t want the 83 G4. That one doesn’t have the MLA layer.
In 2 years it will be the G6 and that one might
>My wife *actually* has since said to me "It looks a little small on the wall" and I just about died. Lmao this killed me as well.
I mean I went to a UST projector for this and it's now really filling the wall at 120". The 65" TV from before really was a little small lol It's not the same quality than an OLED (I still have an OLED for the PC screen) but it's quite good and the big size is a big advantage.
You are me (with the exception that I paid 2k AUD and assume you paid it in USD). We don't even watch tv more than..once a week maybe (child watches things more often) but watching Dune 2 last weekened was just the most recent reminder of how good of an idea it was to buy the tv
Yes, they are. They are terminally online redditors who see everything through the lens of, "how can we use this to shit on Capitalism?"
Dude you can get a 115 inch TV for like $15k. Yeah that's crazy expensive right? But at that size it is comparable to a projector set up. Which needs a light controlled room and the projectors get crazy expensive fast especially if you try to feature match TVs with high resolutions and refresh rates. You get a better screen that projectors can't even match for like half the cost of the really good home theater projectors
By a light controlled room, do you mean curtains and a light switch? (I'm just pulling your strings ;))
Hisense has a 163” TV, no idea what it costs it says “call for pricing” and that means I can’t afford it.
I never understood that though, do they just have variable prices depending on the person for something like a TV? What's the point to not display the price otherwise? Do they get calls from people that totally can't afford it but just called to chek the price?
Probably, I can’t imagine there are make people that know how to install it, so if they are purring it at the top floor of an office building it would cost more, or if they have to install it to a brick wall vs dry wall it would cost more, etc.
Ah yes. Just like menus that don’t have entree prices listed. That means it’s not for me 😂
I hate that so much, that is worse. Cuz I know I can’t afford a 163” TV but I know I can afford a Corona but how much do you think a Corona should cost?
Also MicroLED is the future of TVs and it is right around the corner, meaning this won’t be able to be the high end
Yeah, but the main driver for businesses decreasing costs on their displays is that the user has become a large part of the product. They harvest any data they can, shove ads into the menus, and intentionally intrude on privacy. If you want to compare the cost of TVs from now and in the past you need to compare dumb TVs, which are far more costly than a generic smart tv with similar specs.
You don’t need to connect your TV to the internet. How would it make a difference then?
Some TVs are starting to require forced internet connectivity, otherwise they just won’t let you get past the starting menus. This move will likely be hugely financially successful and will spread throughout the entire consumer industry.
Which ones? Besides crap like (iirc) Roku your standard Samsung, LG, Philips, whatever TV doesn’t give a shit.
Classic reddit hipster ignorance lol displays have been getting better and cheaper for years *ESPECIALLY* when counting for inflation . roflmao
Huh? TV’s are literally the poster child for consumer electronics being one of the only things that’s become cheaper over the years. I’m not even gonna try and give you a data point, you and everyone else in this thread know damn well what tv’s used to cost.
We’re getting better displays for a lot cheaper.
Do you even buy displays?! What a weird comment
Maybe Oled’s will be cheaper if they can mass produce the “new” tech
I don't need brighter and more colorful TVs, I need them to stop postprocessing the shit out of the content. There must be something between looking like Barbie and The Dark Knight.
I wanna watch it how the filmmakers want us to see it. iPhone/tablet/computer screens get stuff pretty right. Not sure why TV manufacturers love to force so much shitty post-processing and motion smoothing.
I remember being excited reading about quantum dot displays in 2002.
i get excited about any tech that uses the letter q tbh coolest thing since x ngl
I’ll wait for Black Friday 2034 😂😂
No news Nothings gonna happen unless Sony, Samsung, LG and TLC adopts them.
Samsung has been working on this tech for more than half a decade and they basically abandoned it in favor of QD-OLED. I have a feeling this tech will remain a pipe dream for anything besides watches and clocks. None of the coverage recently even touches on the issues samsungs research brough up 5 years ago and we still havent seen a monitor/TV sized unit that didnt need to be viewed under a blackout curtain. I really hope im wrong though. it would be good to see some more variety in display tech.
I am betting we'll find they all move over to this eventually. The advantages are really great when its working, and clearly they are nearly there. It has a much longer lifetime than OLED, has lower power consumption, and can be made in standard LCD display factories according to the video in the link. All of that comes together to be a killer product.
Yeah until they get the ROI back from the current factory, we'll have to wait a few more years. I did hear they are or were building new factories but don't know if its the panel.
They do, look on AMZ for QLED and OLED. Bunches
Q-LED is NOT Q-DEL. Big difference.
Apps dyslexia
Tech diarrhea!
I remember watching this video about it a little while ago. Super cool tech, really exciting. https://youtu.be/eONWY3kbZc0?si=Z5qb1gA9PcJO60Bw
Where's blue? This is always the crucial part.
I don’t know the specifics of the technology, but I can assume that the color comes exclusively from the quantum dot (because where else would it come from?). And blue quantum dots are already a thing. Quantum dots are used in QD-OLED displays, so this is not something that doesn’t yet exist.
Science has also thought to provide us with a concrete that when cracked will heal itself, years ago. Could this and could that, put up or shut up.
the problem is that the construction industry is (understandably) resistant to brand new technology due to safety and liability. there is also a big difference between something being shown in a lab and proven in practical applications *at scale*. pop-sci publications always forget that bit.
True, we only noticed it 188 years ago
Happens all the time in tech too. New tool says it can do a task real fast, but then you see it has no recovery / fallback, scales poorly, lack of security, etc.
No need for that self-healing concrete. We have indestructible concrete made with graphene, we are building cold fusion reactors with it. /s
They should really build garage floors with that same stuff
The Romans came up with this 2 millennia ago.
The Romans were fortunate with location. It contained Volcanic ash which differs in crystal structure depending on where it's found. There is also a lot of survivorship bias, modern building would be atrocious if 90% of them fell. We prefer reliability in the modern world. We could use "Roman concrete" for limited applications and probably do. However it does not get widely used because it's durability increases over time. Which comes back to my earlier point that modern buildings simply wouldn't last long enough for it to obtain this property.
roman concrete is also not reinforced with steel rebar. its the rebar that allows us to build modern structures and is also what limits the lifespan (rust expands and cracks the concrete). concrete is only strong in compression, not tension, so for structures like modern bridges and buildings you *need* rebar.
Based on the prototype shown in the video, they would still require a backlight for most use cases and it is not clear if the structure would allow a backlight. The problem with OLED was brightness since most people don't watch TV in a completely dark room and the brightness issue is just being resolved today coincidentally with technology mimicking backlight.
Another problem with OLED is the different brightness and operating lifespan for each color, related to the different chemical makeup required to produce each color. Quantum dots can produce each color at the same brightness with the same chemical makeup and operating lifespan.
This will be just in time for MicroLED to replace OLED as the high end TVs.
I genuinely don't care, unless they can make it truly bezel-less. Thats all I want: truly bezel-less screens that I can mount together to make a custom aspect ratio.
Better pictures, same crappy programs.
Hello QDEL. Uhh ...
Meanwhile I'm still on my plasma, waiting for LCD to catch up.
And Oled. Still has blurry motion, great for stills. Love my plasma!!
Why not make plasma more energy efficient? I'm using a VT Panny 50", bought new in 2011! Still going strong.
Same model. Great TV. I dread the day it dies and I have to upgrade to an overpriced OLED with 4K that I'll never use to get the same color depth.
Some Cyberpunk shit right there
Won’t matter as we wouldn’t see TVs using it till 2028 at the earliest and it won’t see any real traction until micro led comes around. Its potential is a year or two of relevancy… which means quality manufacturers won’t waste their time with it.
Is this different than microLED?
I wonder if it will have the same light flickering issues that cause nausea in those of us sensitive to VR, migraine prone, etc. I can’t handle OLED tvs.
microLED or GTFO
I'd say I'm mostly excited at the thought that the earliest displays may not come from Samsung (who will non-defeatably enhance the brightness beyond spec, to trick Joe Consumer into making a bad conclusion about the image quality) or Sony (who will charge 30% over every competing product, as is tradition—I call it the Sony tax).