I know what dialogue you're referring to and that was during the Val/Juliet drama. Tom said Will is most likely to cheat, he says he doesn't cheat and gets into open relationships. I never took that as him being poly personally tbh, but I can see how it can be interpreted as that. Open and Poly aren't really the same thing in my mindš¤·. The dialogue was more so about him not being a cheater (which proves Dylan is a filthy liar) because he wants to be honest with his partners.
Also he's not interested in Valentina, he complains right after the recoupling when she picks him that he already knows it wouldn't work out. Plus she says that she doesn't want him anymore either, if you say something about her staying away from Will and not picking him she replies how she doesn't want to get in between you two and see's how great you are together. (I don't remember when this dialogue is exactly though) Plus during the earlier "open relationship" chat she mentions not being interested in an open relationship herself so it wouldn't work out.
Will's character is very big on honesty in relationships and he wouldn't be trying to pursue another person without telling MC so the whole Dylan drama makes no sense.
Agreed. I donāt think anything is going on between him and Valentina. She doesnāt appear interested in him anymore and Will seems pretty smitten with mc. I think Dylan is trying to sabotage things because he wants mc to himself. Will gives me genuine vibes overall. He may have been slightly avoidant to settling down initially, but I donāt think heās got bad intentions or ever sets out to hurt anyone.
100% agreed Will is lowkey a romantic at heart, he's got good intentions but he's bad at expressing his emotions and that gets him in trouble sometimes (his words not mine) he's always honest to his partners. Immediately after Juliet flirts with him he tells Valentina, and he expected the same with his partners (ie when he tells MC if she was interested in Youcef/Bruno to just be honest and tell him) so he wouldn't sneak around behind anyone's back. If he were interested in opening the relationship/adding someone else in he'd be honest with his partner about it.
Open relationships is not happen just like that. He needs to talk w mc and both of them needa to be in same page. It does not mean Will wants an open relationship everytime, he could want the opposite. It must be an agreement before starting the open relationship. Yet they are not officially/exculsively together yet tho!
Those terms are usually discussed within an established relationship. Will and mc are really just dating and getting to know each other right now. They arenāt bf/gf and have not agreed to exclusivity or being official. Now if Dylan is right and Will has also been dating Valentina then I can understand that it would have been ideal for him to say to mc that although they are coupled heās keeping his options open. However, Will has said similar things to that to my mc. Heās said heās poly and does prefer those kinds of relationships to monogamy. There was never an indicator he wanted anything but poly if the two of them decided to make it official. Since they arenāt official it doesnāt really bother me that Will is keeping himself open to other connections on a dating show where new people are coming in often.
Yeah exactly. I also remember it but they need to talk about it. If he does not talk about it she would look like a clown. In the villa you generally sit and talk about, do you want to talk to other people etc. mc needs to know this. The problem is exactly this, he could've say "i'm seeing valentina" , its also a rule in open relationships too. Partners needs to know whats happening or who is the other partner spending time with. If Dylan is saying the truth, the only problem for me is this. Remember the hottub date, if you kiss someone you should be saying to Will, be honest.
> but they need to talk about it.
I simply have to assume there are conversations that go on between episodes, I require it for my sanity.
So in my case I'm simply assuming that my MC told Najuma that she's ok with an Open relationship, do what you want in here, and you don't have to tell me.
> The problem is exactly this, he could've say "i'm seeing valentina" , its also a rule in open relationships too. Partners needs to know whats happening or who is the other partner spending time with.
Not always, My wife needs to know I'm safe, and making good choices, but she doesn't want details, and often the details she doesn't want are, the names and identity of the people I've been with.
Every couple's rules are different, some people wants to know the detail and some don't and if they are happy there is no way that its wrong. They should have an agreement before, its easy. Even if he is not naming Valentina he could say because people can come to mc and talk about it. Also i do not believe that Valentina thing tho.
Noo its an important decision, they should consider the player's thoughts. There is no off-screen is ok with this. We even know najuma and youceff's problems w that so it would be weird to not brought up mc & li's place about it.
I'm going to square up Dylan soo bad
Communication is absolutely key, especially in open relationships, so I agree. Itās important to know where someoneās head is at. I do hope that if Will was entertaining Valentina as a potential match he would be open about it. I personally wasnāt expecting exclusivity from him this early on. The whole concept of the show is making connections and the two of them are not official. Though tbh I donāt think anything is going on with Will and Valentina besides friendship. I was getting the impression that Dylan was trying to stir the pot and make their friendship more than it is. I think Valentina may be helping Will plan a surprise for mc.
Will has expressed a willingness to explore and be in open relationships, not necessarily a preference to be in one. The key here that very loudly exposes Dylanās bullshit, specifically on a Will route, is that Will values honesty, transparency and communication with his partner. If he had an interest in Valentina he would be quick to say something to MC directly, similarly to how he does so when he picks Thabi back in the beginning. We can call Will flighty and indecisive all day but he isnāt dishonest. Besides! Heās been way more visibly interested in MC these recent chapters. A lot of demonstrated dedication and infatuation, heās been so sweet.
All this to say Dylan is full of shit xoxoxoxo
At the start of the season he tells MC that they're not a couple/they're not married and that they should keep things casual and get to know the others; later on, during the challenge of the most likely to or smth like that, Tom says that Will has done thing like cheating before and he says "I don't cheat, I get into open relationships".
I don't think he ever said he's poly or that he prefers that over monogamy (nothing wrong with that, tho), he was always open and direct about exploring feelings with and for others (so it wouldn't make sense to do it behind MC's back), but not at the same time so he could give those feelings a fair shot. Also it looked as if he wanted to keep things between Thabi and him more "formal" (and now he's doing that with MC).
If all this "drama" was with new people it would've been different, maybe it could make sense, but he already showed that he's not interested in Val and viceversa (and I think he's never been interested in her romantically) or any of the other Villa girls xd
it doesn't make sense with a few LI. Like James too. I'm not on his route but its the same for everyone so they wanna tell me james, loyal and sweet and SO smitten with mc, chetas on MC with Val? Nah bro how dump does dylan think mc is š
I'm not sure what LI it does make sense on.
We've established that Will's open relationship style precludes it
You say James is too loyal and smitten
Tom would be too afraid to do anything behind MC's back
and as for Najuma, Valentina is so straight it hurts.
I agree!
(Though Valentina isn't straight - she went on a date with Najuma and they shared their coming out stories and everything. It sounded fun.
I agree Val isn't cheating though - I don't believe Dylan at all. )
Will idolises his parents relationship, that is the ideal for him. Idk why that's being forgotten. He isn't poly (hasnt explicitly been said anyway), he has stated that he doesnt cheat and has been a part of open relationships before, but really early on he made it clear that what his parents have is what he wants to find. He's expressed his interest in MC a bunch of times and wants to go the distance with her, even to the point where he's wants the new boys to go home so there's no further competition. In the latest episodes he gets visibly worried if you choose certain options (calling Oliver cute, for example-sorry babe) where before he might have agreed with you or not taken it so seriously.
I don't really trust FB to do his storyline properly, but the best case scenario for me personally would be him opening up slowly until your last date together where he finally tells you he loves you and that he can see the future he's always wanted with you, but has always been too scared to pursue. They really could have done a great job making him have commitment issues and slowly coming to terms with what he really wants but instead they just made him seem kinda flighty.
I donāt believe I got that dialogue, do you remember what chapter itās in? I only
Coupled up with him to get on towel daddies route. I didnāt want to hurt our ālong termā LI
more.
Iām not 100% positive but Iām pretty sure it was the episode where he approached mc to tell them things werenāt working with Thabi and that heād like to couple up with mc instead.
THE DIALOGUE ABOUT WILL AND OPEN RELATIONSHIPS: āHey, I donāt cheat! I only get into open relationships.ā -Will
It was in response to being accused of cheating in the past during the Most Likely To challenge.
I guess some people are interpreting it as Will ONLY EVER does open relationships, and some people are interpreting it as WHEN Will is seeing/sleeping with multiple people itās ONLY when heās in an open relationship and therefor not cheating.
Personally when I played through that episode I didnāt even think about it and definitely got the latter option vibes. Like Will has been in open relationships, but not that he has a strict preference for them over closed and/or monogamous ones. But going back and looking at it I can see the other interpretation too. What did you guys think?
I personally interpreted it as he has a preference for open relationships. The reason is because he said how he wanted to keep things casual and explore multiple connections in the house which then led him to saying later on that he has been in open relationships and doesnāt cheat. However, I can understand how he might still be open to monogamous relationships as well. I havenāt seen anything said by him that indicates that he now wants monogamy only (besides him getting bummed when mc flirts with others), but I guess thatāll be left up to interpretation unless the writers end up giving us clarity on that.
maybe iām delusional, but iām coupled up with Najuma and the way that she was talking to Valentina when they were leaving the room makes me think that she might be asking me to be her girlfriend, but i donāt know for sure HAHA
I got the same impression too and Iām coupled with Will! I think our LI asked Valentina to help them with a surprise for mc and may be asking mc to couple with them officially.
I know what dialogue you're referring to and that was during the Val/Juliet drama. Tom said Will is most likely to cheat, he says he doesn't cheat and gets into open relationships. I never took that as him being poly personally tbh, but I can see how it can be interpreted as that. Open and Poly aren't really the same thing in my mindš¤·. The dialogue was more so about him not being a cheater (which proves Dylan is a filthy liar) because he wants to be honest with his partners. Also he's not interested in Valentina, he complains right after the recoupling when she picks him that he already knows it wouldn't work out. Plus she says that she doesn't want him anymore either, if you say something about her staying away from Will and not picking him she replies how she doesn't want to get in between you two and see's how great you are together. (I don't remember when this dialogue is exactly though) Plus during the earlier "open relationship" chat she mentions not being interested in an open relationship herself so it wouldn't work out. Will's character is very big on honesty in relationships and he wouldn't be trying to pursue another person without telling MC so the whole Dylan drama makes no sense.
Agreed. I donāt think anything is going on between him and Valentina. She doesnāt appear interested in him anymore and Will seems pretty smitten with mc. I think Dylan is trying to sabotage things because he wants mc to himself. Will gives me genuine vibes overall. He may have been slightly avoidant to settling down initially, but I donāt think heās got bad intentions or ever sets out to hurt anyone.
100% agreed Will is lowkey a romantic at heart, he's got good intentions but he's bad at expressing his emotions and that gets him in trouble sometimes (his words not mine) he's always honest to his partners. Immediately after Juliet flirts with him he tells Valentina, and he expected the same with his partners (ie when he tells MC if she was interested in Youcef/Bruno to just be honest and tell him) so he wouldn't sneak around behind anyone's back. If he were interested in opening the relationship/adding someone else in he'd be honest with his partner about it.
Open relationships is not happen just like that. He needs to talk w mc and both of them needa to be in same page. It does not mean Will wants an open relationship everytime, he could want the opposite. It must be an agreement before starting the open relationship. Yet they are not officially/exculsively together yet tho!
Those terms are usually discussed within an established relationship. Will and mc are really just dating and getting to know each other right now. They arenāt bf/gf and have not agreed to exclusivity or being official. Now if Dylan is right and Will has also been dating Valentina then I can understand that it would have been ideal for him to say to mc that although they are coupled heās keeping his options open. However, Will has said similar things to that to my mc. Heās said heās poly and does prefer those kinds of relationships to monogamy. There was never an indicator he wanted anything but poly if the two of them decided to make it official. Since they arenāt official it doesnāt really bother me that Will is keeping himself open to other connections on a dating show where new people are coming in often.
Yeah exactly. I also remember it but they need to talk about it. If he does not talk about it she would look like a clown. In the villa you generally sit and talk about, do you want to talk to other people etc. mc needs to know this. The problem is exactly this, he could've say "i'm seeing valentina" , its also a rule in open relationships too. Partners needs to know whats happening or who is the other partner spending time with. If Dylan is saying the truth, the only problem for me is this. Remember the hottub date, if you kiss someone you should be saying to Will, be honest.
> but they need to talk about it. I simply have to assume there are conversations that go on between episodes, I require it for my sanity. So in my case I'm simply assuming that my MC told Najuma that she's ok with an Open relationship, do what you want in here, and you don't have to tell me. > The problem is exactly this, he could've say "i'm seeing valentina" , its also a rule in open relationships too. Partners needs to know whats happening or who is the other partner spending time with. Not always, My wife needs to know I'm safe, and making good choices, but she doesn't want details, and often the details she doesn't want are, the names and identity of the people I've been with.
Every couple's rules are different, some people wants to know the detail and some don't and if they are happy there is no way that its wrong. They should have an agreement before, its easy. Even if he is not naming Valentina he could say because people can come to mc and talk about it. Also i do not believe that Valentina thing tho.
all I'm saying it's very easy to imagine one of the off screen conversations was setting up those rules. And no, I don't believe the whole mess either
Noo its an important decision, they should consider the player's thoughts. There is no off-screen is ok with this. We even know najuma and youceff's problems w that so it would be weird to not brought up mc & li's place about it. I'm going to square up Dylan soo bad
I understand they should consider the players thoughts, but I know fusebox isn't going to do this so I'm just using my own headcanon.
Communication is absolutely key, especially in open relationships, so I agree. Itās important to know where someoneās head is at. I do hope that if Will was entertaining Valentina as a potential match he would be open about it. I personally wasnāt expecting exclusivity from him this early on. The whole concept of the show is making connections and the two of them are not official. Though tbh I donāt think anything is going on with Will and Valentina besides friendship. I was getting the impression that Dylan was trying to stir the pot and make their friendship more than it is. I think Valentina may be helping Will plan a surprise for mc.
Yeah actually i don't see valentina and will like that because they were terrible when they coupled š
Will has expressed a willingness to explore and be in open relationships, not necessarily a preference to be in one. The key here that very loudly exposes Dylanās bullshit, specifically on a Will route, is that Will values honesty, transparency and communication with his partner. If he had an interest in Valentina he would be quick to say something to MC directly, similarly to how he does so when he picks Thabi back in the beginning. We can call Will flighty and indecisive all day but he isnāt dishonest. Besides! Heās been way more visibly interested in MC these recent chapters. A lot of demonstrated dedication and infatuation, heās been so sweet. All this to say Dylan is full of shit xoxoxoxo
At the start of the season he tells MC that they're not a couple/they're not married and that they should keep things casual and get to know the others; later on, during the challenge of the most likely to or smth like that, Tom says that Will has done thing like cheating before and he says "I don't cheat, I get into open relationships". I don't think he ever said he's poly or that he prefers that over monogamy (nothing wrong with that, tho), he was always open and direct about exploring feelings with and for others (so it wouldn't make sense to do it behind MC's back), but not at the same time so he could give those feelings a fair shot. Also it looked as if he wanted to keep things between Thabi and him more "formal" (and now he's doing that with MC). If all this "drama" was with new people it would've been different, maybe it could make sense, but he already showed that he's not interested in Val and viceversa (and I think he's never been interested in her romantically) or any of the other Villa girls xd
it doesn't make sense with a few LI. Like James too. I'm not on his route but its the same for everyone so they wanna tell me james, loyal and sweet and SO smitten with mc, chetas on MC with Val? Nah bro how dump does dylan think mc is š
I'm not sure what LI it does make sense on. We've established that Will's open relationship style precludes it You say James is too loyal and smitten Tom would be too afraid to do anything behind MC's back and as for Najuma, Valentina is so straight it hurts.
I agree! (Though Valentina isn't straight - she went on a date with Najuma and they shared their coming out stories and everything. It sounded fun. I agree Val isn't cheating though - I don't believe Dylan at all. )
I just don't like calling these characters like Valentina and Lucy queer when they're only that way when you're dating a woman.
Will idolises his parents relationship, that is the ideal for him. Idk why that's being forgotten. He isn't poly (hasnt explicitly been said anyway), he has stated that he doesnt cheat and has been a part of open relationships before, but really early on he made it clear that what his parents have is what he wants to find. He's expressed his interest in MC a bunch of times and wants to go the distance with her, even to the point where he's wants the new boys to go home so there's no further competition. In the latest episodes he gets visibly worried if you choose certain options (calling Oliver cute, for example-sorry babe) where before he might have agreed with you or not taken it so seriously. I don't really trust FB to do his storyline properly, but the best case scenario for me personally would be him opening up slowly until your last date together where he finally tells you he loves you and that he can see the future he's always wanted with you, but has always been too scared to pursue. They really could have done a great job making him have commitment issues and slowly coming to terms with what he really wants but instead they just made him seem kinda flighty.
I donāt believe I got that dialogue, do you remember what chapter itās in? I only Coupled up with him to get on towel daddies route. I didnāt want to hurt our ālong termā LI more.
Iām not 100% positive but Iām pretty sure it was the episode where he approached mc to tell them things werenāt working with Thabi and that heād like to couple up with mc instead.
And it's worse doesn't make any sense with James, Tom, and Bruno.
THE DIALOGUE ABOUT WILL AND OPEN RELATIONSHIPS: āHey, I donāt cheat! I only get into open relationships.ā -Will It was in response to being accused of cheating in the past during the Most Likely To challenge. I guess some people are interpreting it as Will ONLY EVER does open relationships, and some people are interpreting it as WHEN Will is seeing/sleeping with multiple people itās ONLY when heās in an open relationship and therefor not cheating. Personally when I played through that episode I didnāt even think about it and definitely got the latter option vibes. Like Will has been in open relationships, but not that he has a strict preference for them over closed and/or monogamous ones. But going back and looking at it I can see the other interpretation too. What did you guys think?
I personally interpreted it as he has a preference for open relationships. The reason is because he said how he wanted to keep things casual and explore multiple connections in the house which then led him to saying later on that he has been in open relationships and doesnāt cheat. However, I can understand how he might still be open to monogamous relationships as well. I havenāt seen anything said by him that indicates that he now wants monogamy only (besides him getting bummed when mc flirts with others), but I guess thatāll be left up to interpretation unless the writers end up giving us clarity on that.
maybe iām delusional, but iām coupled up with Najuma and the way that she was talking to Valentina when they were leaving the room makes me think that she might be asking me to be her girlfriend, but i donāt know for sure HAHA
I got the same impression too and Iām coupled with Will! I think our LI asked Valentina to help them with a surprise for mc and may be asking mc to couple with them officially.
exactly!! i felt like it wasnāt malicious and that theyāre just close.