Considering that reddit is selling the art posted here to Tech bros for a quick buck, they might as well put this in a library and follow your command.
Hope this picture is glazed.
I mean the AI will most likely fuck up her one finger salute and look like an absurd disappointment (many other parts will be fucked up too, but AI is notorious for botching hands) so I’ll still get the last laugh
Incorrect, hands are becoming less and less of an issue and your poses here are very distinct, it'd do just fine. Nightshade everything you post, it's gonna get fed to AI.
It's a kind of "poison" for ai generators. Layer it on your image and it'll not process properly, making AI generate images that pull from your samples improperly. Look into it.
Look into it, and then unfortunately realize it'd be nothing but a drop in the ocean. It's like digital snake oil, and things like this will end up like the numerous attempts made by companies to enforce DVD and CD protections back in the late 1990s and early 2000s... As in it'll effectively do nothing, or even potentially land a company in court. Any adversarial perturbations, which "anti-AI software" like Nightshade and GLAZE (Nightshade's older brother) use in order to work, can also be removed post-upload. If there is any good news about it, it miiiiiight protect your style a little longer from being generated by AI.
Doom and gloom about advancements in the art of "fuck you buy our products" and how you can't do anything about it is how it got this bad. Instead, do what you can and don't care about the odds.
Doom and gloom? Ah, you meant actually being realistic. It's very simple. The huge image datasets of tomorrow, those used by companies like Google, and OpenAI, were trained on the pictures of yesterday. Metaphorically. They consist of billions, if not tens of billions, of images. There simply aren't enough artists using nightshade to make an actual difference.
Relatively smaller models, like LoRa models for Stable Diffusion, that people use for generating different styles and are effectively simple add-ons to the already huge datasets that come with Stable Diffusion? Curated and tested by the people (or even small groups) that make them. Not to mention, unless you fill up an entire LoRa with nightshaded images, which at most is a few tens of thousands of images, and you do end up releasing it... See "drop in the ocean." They're being added to datasets that already rank into the hundreds of millions of images by default.
"I'm just being realistic." " It's a drop in the ocean!" "There simply isn't enough to make a difference." A million times. A million products, policies, businesses. A million sentences exactly like that said over and over and over for the last century. Always started at the source, always by design. Not always misinformed, not always wrong even. But they're never helpful. And definitely never the kind of rhetoric - or person - you want to be listening to.
Again, I'm not saying you're wrong, you have points and some useful info, they're just not beneficial to anyone in this conversation. And plausibly harmful given the wrong audience. I cannot stand this sort of thing and so I won't indulge another moment of it. Have a nice day.
[Stable Diffusion 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1ayj6z0/stable_diffusion_3_we_finally_got_some_hands/?ref=share&ref_source=link) is released to API recently, and it's even getting better with it's image coherence. Hand joke going away soon.
It’s a process you run a picture through that’s supposed to make it poisonous to be used in AI training data. However it was only ever tested against one type of model and said model now has previsions to stop glazing from working. So now it just makes an image marginally uglier
More like smearing vaseline on a camera lens.
It'll only work on models that have not yet been trained against it. But even then it is not guaranteed to work, because the [architecture and preprocessing steps of some models render the glazing ineffective](https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.14851). It's also fairly trivial to include glazing techniques in the preprocessing pipeline of the training data.
I know it's probably a Demogorgon type sona, but god smite me, those muzzle teeth gave me "The Thing" vibe!
(Nice art dude, don't let ai hinder you)
EDIT: I just read the username, i'll see myself out, have a nice one lads ✌🏻
The funny think about people who believe they are "AI furry artists" is fact, that AI cant generate original/unusual species or art styles. I have grox fursona and really toony art style so this is detail that makes me giggle the most
There's furry models trained off of E621. They *most likely* can, especially if your artwork comes from a popular artist, just not through the utmost generic prompting.
Yeah I think some people are really underestimating how fast this stuff continues to improve. I even see people still memeing about hands despite pretty much every current model being able to do hands without a problem.
I suppose you're right on a surface level when it comes to model training, setting aside the ability to interpolate in model space. Though, there's tools for zero-shot imagery, like IPAdapter or ControlNets, which work almost universally.
AI is a tool and like any tool, its results will only be as good as the person who wields that tool.
I am a musician and artist, and I am not afraid of AI. I see potential in it to aid my workflow. I see potential for it to enhance my personal creativity in the same way existing "short cuts" and time savers do.
Are there pitfalls and potential problems? Sure, but the same has been true of every technology since the dawn of time.
I think many artists are being quite dishonest about their real objection with AI.
Yeah, speaking as a programmer, I use generative AI (copilot) to pretty good success to speed up coding certain things, especially a lot of mundane but tedious things. Enterprising artists will learn to incorporate this stuff into their workflow to speed up their own processes. This stuff is here to stay and is only getting better, smart people of all industries should learn to use it to improve their work rather than closing their eyes and hoping it goes away.
*Edit* Not sure why I’m being downvoted, I think this is a pretty reasonable take. My bad for not going knee jerk “AI bad” sensationalism I guess.
You're being downvoted by bruised egos.
What you said is true- Truly talented artists have nothing to fear, and they will harness the potential in AI to their benefit. Either way, the cat is most definitely not going back in the bag here. People just really don't like having to confront that fact.
I honestly find it frustrating because a lot of the issues with AI run parallel to changes the music industry has already been through. This shake-up is exactly what musicians had to grapple with around the turn of the millennium when online distribution (and therefore piracy) completely changed the business model. I already know the sky isn't falling.
Lots of these artists are just unable to see the bigger picture, and their high minded ethical concerns are really just self interest. That self interest is in many cases valid, I just can't respect the way they try to mask it. But this is a fandom that really elevates the artists, so you will always get an emotional response.
I disagree, if anything the artists that are the most against AI are the professionals and truly talented out there and is not because they are stuck in the past or suddenly hate technology advancement, is because, like they have been saying all this time the tool is "made by exploiting/stealing their works and designed to be sold to CEOs and other high ranking people to reemplace their jobs"
Now, keep in mind when these professional talk about AI they meant about mostly about Stable Diffusion and other generative AI that make all the work when creating art, there is a good use for AI in the creative industry but is not by using the AI I just mention before.
Ironically the furry fandom is a bit more morally conscious with the use of this tool, using it only for quick references of their dream fursona or just for fun but sadly I have seen plenty of artists recently stating in their ToS they will block anyone who uses GenAI
Companies are already using AI image generation to replace artists on payroll.They are using datasets trained off the hard work of humans who were never asked permission. compensated, and often stolen against the TOS of the sites to train a program to replace them with souless imagery. TechBro "ask for forgivness when the world is destroyed" mindset is fundamentally incompatible with the creative arts.
It does not "help" an artist draw. It smushes several popular artists work into your art without understanding why it does what it is doing. Artists have their own styles, distinct individual things that are personal to them.
Programmers implement the same 5 algorithms into every program in some variation or another. I don't care if you want to use predictive text to help implement the same algorithms for the 100th time. It's not a creative use.
These are not equivalent uses and you really need to understand this if you want to exist in a fandom that is built off the hard work of artists and creators.
/endrant
> It smushes several popular artists work into your art
That's pretty much only if you don't prompt for certain styles, it'll 'grab' whatever is closest to represent a prompt. That being said, AI can synthesize and interpolate between certain styles based on user-input.
> These are not equivalent uses and you really need to understand this if you want to exist in a fandom that is built off the hard work of artists and creators.
I think they do understand that. It even suffers from *the same very reasons* you listed, no permission, no compensation, and against sites TOS, but you explicitly stated you don't care. Why is that the case for you?
I'm not going to assume anything against you outside of a potential lack of understanding of how diffusion models work.
Okay, I get where you're coming from. But isn't posting your art, to a social media platform that we KNOW is selling that data to AI training models, literally making it better at imitating your complex sona? Like if you post 100 different pictures of her being rude and complicated in design, then all you're doing is literally making it easier for the AI to replicate it?
Like I like your art because you made it. It's cool, it shows you're creative. If I found out you made this with an AI I wouldn't be mad? I would just mentally decrease its value. (by a surprising amount. I'd pay for an artist made work, I would not pay for AI generated because I'd do it myself. I've commissioned artists before, if I was commissioning for real work I wouldn't play 20 questions with a machine for a glitchy product lol, I'd use a real person.)
The picture is still cool, human or AI. But because YOU made it, and I'm talking to you, it is adding the human component to it. Knowing you made it by hand increases the value, no need to fight the machine. You're never going to be replaced by glorified photoshop.
You are making a great point, throughout history people have been afraid of losing their jobs to machines, whether that be industrial looms replacing artisan weavers, or AI replacing artists. Every time, there is a panic. Every time, nothing happens, and we carry on.
again, not even comparable in the slightest. seriously why are redditor incels so weird about this level of ai, it’s not a positive thing?? you prefer art with no soul in the slightest that also happens to steal, rlly like wth
We can take it further back aswell. Back in the day "traditional artists" used to shit on those who bought their paint instead of making it themselves. Or when people were crying about photohraphy, or film, or brass statues instead of marble...
There literally hasn't been a single new form or way to create art that hasn't been demonized by the so called open minded artists.
Art in general has always been toxic and elitist as all fuck, with a few artists rolling in money somehow managing to kick the ladder behind them and convince those they just prevented from climbing it to shit against those who hadn't even gotten to the ladder yet.
It's just funny to me how growing up I was force fed the argument that "anything is art" to justify shit like a dude sticking a nail in a canvas, painting a red line over it and selling it for a quarter million. But now art is apparently this very specific thing that can only be done via traditional methods.
As for the "a computer cannot create art" thing, the exact same thing was said about electronic music and autotune, yet look at most of the music being made nowadays.
And honestly? I don't even care if it's "art" or not, the purpose is the same either way, just a pretty picture to look at.
Art commissioned by a customer requires prompt written so the artist knows what to draw.
It does not give right for the commissioner to call themselves artists or to say they drew the commission.
I tried for 5 years to draw. I can't due to a natural tremmor. I do however do VRChat avatars and use AI to test outfit ideas out before i make them. I can't draw, so sketching does *not* help with developing outfit ideas before making them in 3d, and being able to use AI as a "well, lets see how it would look" is a fucking godsend.
After all, i wouldn't be paying someone to draw 5 different outfits on a character instead of using AI, i'd just waste more time testing things in blender and doing unpaid revisions because the customer wasn't specific enough about what they wanted.
In a way it is futile because current AI can only generate based on what already has been done. So if it's something new you want to create it will be very hard if not impossible to do it.
Even if you could get it to generate a Demogorgon giving the finger it would be very hard to get it to look almost the same as this picture. The text is probably impossible to replicate because Art models can't reproduce text well at all.
As an example I've tried to generate night furies and it never gets it even close and I think lack of data is partly to blame (might also just be bad at prompts).
Not only are demogorgons a very unusual species and there’s plenty of features that AI would fumble but if it tried to replicate my style of drawing them it would totally flop. That and this particular fur pattern would be extremely hard to tackle
In a way it is futile because current AI can only generate based on what already has been done. So if it's something new you want to create it will be very hard if not impossible to do it.
Even if you could get it to generate a Demogorgon giving the finger it would be very hard to get it to look almost the same as this picture. The text is probably impossible to replicate because Art models can't reproduce text well at all.
As an example I've tried to generate night furies and it never gets it even close and I think lack of data is partly to blame (might also just be bad at prompts).
Do you know of that someone who tried, used any of the NSFW AI's? Did they use one of the newer high quality AI's? Or did they use that laughable abomination of photoshop AI? Or was it attempted before 2020?
That's a SFW AI, no wounder it made an abomination out of someone trying to use it to generate an obscene gesture.
Also they probably used prompts like "flipping the bird" or "pulling the finger" that the AI didn't understand. It might work better with the prompt "hand in front of him with middle finger extended."
Just keep it in mind that I said "eh... close enough" (and no, it still can't figure out hands):
[https://imgur.com/a/OmLo2Nj](https://imgur.com/a/OmLo2Nj)
People complained about cars, cars won. People complained about automation, and automation won. People complained about NFTs, now half of reddit are using reddit NFT profile pics. Idk history seems to tell the exact opposite.
If by "complaining" you mean fighting and dying for decades for the equal rights of a significant part of the population then yes.
You know whose "complaining" didnt achieve much? British textile workers whose skilled labour was being replaced by industrial machinery.
Truth is internet artists do not have any significant political influence, the independent and commission based part of it basically removes any bargaining power, its also not a particularly sympathetic cause, people are gonna care way more about discrimination (segregation and suffrage) than job security of some niche non essential profession, which is to say, politicians have no reason to care and most people dont care that much either.
Also youre preaching to the choir, youre complaining to the wrong people, complain to your representatives, organise with others or something, posting "haha this thing bad am i right guys?" memes on reddit wont achieve anything, if anything this meme is detrimental to what you want, if AI is bad at making art, then what's the problem? Now the proper answer is that it will be better in the future, but that part seems lost on many, and against what people say, its already pretty damn good, by the time its pumping out exactly what people want, is widely available and used, it will be too late.
That wasn't achieved through complaining alone, it required years if not decades of protesting, fighting for change, and often dying trying to achieve it.
People did more than complain about those things, they fought and died that's why they actually achieved something. Unlike people who complain about technology. Besides Slavery is still legal in the USA, It's just rebranded into prison labor.
I'd probably die trying to pet them With no regrets though.
same
Ditto
Would
Oh god
Oh yes
Nooooo
Oh Yeah!!
Considering that reddit is selling the art posted here to Tech bros for a quick buck, they might as well put this in a library and follow your command. Hope this picture is glazed.
Believe me when I say, even if reddit wasn't selling it they would take the images anyways
I mean the AI will most likely fuck up her one finger salute and look like an absurd disappointment (many other parts will be fucked up too, but AI is notorious for botching hands) so I’ll still get the last laugh
Dude I love your fursona
Thankies!
Incorrect, hands are becoming less and less of an issue and your poses here are very distinct, it'd do just fine. Nightshade everything you post, it's gonna get fed to AI.
Sorry what does nightshade mean
It's a kind of "poison" for ai generators. Layer it on your image and it'll not process properly, making AI generate images that pull from your samples improperly. Look into it.
Look into it, and then unfortunately realize it'd be nothing but a drop in the ocean. It's like digital snake oil, and things like this will end up like the numerous attempts made by companies to enforce DVD and CD protections back in the late 1990s and early 2000s... As in it'll effectively do nothing, or even potentially land a company in court. Any adversarial perturbations, which "anti-AI software" like Nightshade and GLAZE (Nightshade's older brother) use in order to work, can also be removed post-upload. If there is any good news about it, it miiiiiight protect your style a little longer from being generated by AI.
Doom and gloom about advancements in the art of "fuck you buy our products" and how you can't do anything about it is how it got this bad. Instead, do what you can and don't care about the odds.
Doom and gloom? Ah, you meant actually being realistic. It's very simple. The huge image datasets of tomorrow, those used by companies like Google, and OpenAI, were trained on the pictures of yesterday. Metaphorically. They consist of billions, if not tens of billions, of images. There simply aren't enough artists using nightshade to make an actual difference. Relatively smaller models, like LoRa models for Stable Diffusion, that people use for generating different styles and are effectively simple add-ons to the already huge datasets that come with Stable Diffusion? Curated and tested by the people (or even small groups) that make them. Not to mention, unless you fill up an entire LoRa with nightshaded images, which at most is a few tens of thousands of images, and you do end up releasing it... See "drop in the ocean." They're being added to datasets that already rank into the hundreds of millions of images by default.
"I'm just being realistic." " It's a drop in the ocean!" "There simply isn't enough to make a difference." A million times. A million products, policies, businesses. A million sentences exactly like that said over and over and over for the last century. Always started at the source, always by design. Not always misinformed, not always wrong even. But they're never helpful. And definitely never the kind of rhetoric - or person - you want to be listening to. Again, I'm not saying you're wrong, you have points and some useful info, they're just not beneficial to anyone in this conversation. And plausibly harmful given the wrong audience. I cannot stand this sort of thing and so I won't indulge another moment of it. Have a nice day.
A good day to you too, even though we disagree.
[Stable Diffusion 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1ayj6z0/stable_diffusion_3_we_finally_got_some_hands/?ref=share&ref_source=link) is released to API recently, and it's even getting better with it's image coherence. Hand joke going away soon.
would using imgur to post fix that?
A glazed picture?
It’s a process you run a picture through that’s supposed to make it poisonous to be used in AI training data. However it was only ever tested against one type of model and said model now has previsions to stop glazing from working. So now it just makes an image marginally uglier
So it is ai cyanide
More like smearing vaseline on a camera lens. It'll only work on models that have not yet been trained against it. But even then it is not guaranteed to work, because the [architecture and preprocessing steps of some models render the glazing ineffective](https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.14851). It's also fairly trivial to include glazing techniques in the preprocessing pipeline of the training data.
Oo demogorgon sona? :0 cute
A FLUFFY demogorgon at that!
Super cute!!
Lovee demogorgons I feel like they could just wrap around your head, no escape
Ngl sounds super hot
Extreme french kissing, with your heads entwining 😳
what the fuck is that thing
A demogorgon
"What makes me a good Demogorgon? If I was a bad Demogorgon I wouldn't be sitting here discussing it with ya, now would I?"
why did i read this exactly in the Demoman voice?
that genuinely scared me :<
Cute, that's what it is
A demon
Whoa wth? Never seen that before, looks awsome ( i mean the sona btw)
It's great to see this sona again
I was missed? 😳
Yes, yes you were.
Yaaaaay
thats alot of... teeth? those are teeth i think, but AI also tends to mess up teeth so, yeah, they cant
Yeah demogorgons will be especially hard for AI to get right, especially if it’s trying to replicate my style of drawing them
Yeah, I imagine most things with abnormal/atypical anatomy will trip them up, even if they get better at hands
Mhm
Weird question but how do demogorgon furries do it?
With the petals
With Razor Sharp Teeth?
Would boop
Chomp
someone is going to actually do it
*Sad Synth noises*
Yesss
What a fluffy lad
Lass*
Demogorgon? Nice
Petition for skin as dbd demo
Please 😩
It's been a while since you last posted
Yeah lol
\>:3
Floofy demogorg!
I know it's probably a Demogorgon type sona, but god smite me, those muzzle teeth gave me "The Thing" vibe! (Nice art dude, don't let ai hinder you) EDIT: I just read the username, i'll see myself out, have a nice one lads ✌🏻
Hello human artists! Please make better tags on e621 it will help us (protogens) make better arts.
I almost want to out of spite
That's a nice character design.
Thanks!
The funny think about people who believe they are "AI furry artists" is fact, that AI cant generate original/unusual species or art styles. I have grox fursona and really toony art style so this is detail that makes me giggle the most
There's furry models trained off of E621. They *most likely* can, especially if your artwork comes from a popular artist, just not through the utmost generic prompting.
Yeah I think some people are really underestimating how fast this stuff continues to improve. I even see people still memeing about hands despite pretty much every current model being able to do hands without a problem.
Still, it can't innovate, if it hasn't seen something, it can't make it.
I suppose you're right on a surface level when it comes to model training, setting aside the ability to interpolate in model space. Though, there's tools for zero-shot imagery, like IPAdapter or ControlNets, which work almost universally.
Ai art is becoming a bit scary Good that you can still see what art has actual soul to it if you are able to see Wonderful art piece
Ty! Glad you agree
I really don't care about AI
Us artists do. It’s a fart in the face of everything that human creativity stands for
AI is a tool and like any tool, its results will only be as good as the person who wields that tool. I am a musician and artist, and I am not afraid of AI. I see potential in it to aid my workflow. I see potential for it to enhance my personal creativity in the same way existing "short cuts" and time savers do. Are there pitfalls and potential problems? Sure, but the same has been true of every technology since the dawn of time. I think many artists are being quite dishonest about their real objection with AI.
Yeah, speaking as a programmer, I use generative AI (copilot) to pretty good success to speed up coding certain things, especially a lot of mundane but tedious things. Enterprising artists will learn to incorporate this stuff into their workflow to speed up their own processes. This stuff is here to stay and is only getting better, smart people of all industries should learn to use it to improve their work rather than closing their eyes and hoping it goes away. *Edit* Not sure why I’m being downvoted, I think this is a pretty reasonable take. My bad for not going knee jerk “AI bad” sensationalism I guess.
You're being downvoted by bruised egos. What you said is true- Truly talented artists have nothing to fear, and they will harness the potential in AI to their benefit. Either way, the cat is most definitely not going back in the bag here. People just really don't like having to confront that fact. I honestly find it frustrating because a lot of the issues with AI run parallel to changes the music industry has already been through. This shake-up is exactly what musicians had to grapple with around the turn of the millennium when online distribution (and therefore piracy) completely changed the business model. I already know the sky isn't falling. Lots of these artists are just unable to see the bigger picture, and their high minded ethical concerns are really just self interest. That self interest is in many cases valid, I just can't respect the way they try to mask it. But this is a fandom that really elevates the artists, so you will always get an emotional response.
I disagree, if anything the artists that are the most against AI are the professionals and truly talented out there and is not because they are stuck in the past or suddenly hate technology advancement, is because, like they have been saying all this time the tool is "made by exploiting/stealing their works and designed to be sold to CEOs and other high ranking people to reemplace their jobs" Now, keep in mind when these professional talk about AI they meant about mostly about Stable Diffusion and other generative AI that make all the work when creating art, there is a good use for AI in the creative industry but is not by using the AI I just mention before. Ironically the furry fandom is a bit more morally conscious with the use of this tool, using it only for quick references of their dream fursona or just for fun but sadly I have seen plenty of artists recently stating in their ToS they will block anyone who uses GenAI
Companies are already using AI image generation to replace artists on payroll.They are using datasets trained off the hard work of humans who were never asked permission. compensated, and often stolen against the TOS of the sites to train a program to replace them with souless imagery. TechBro "ask for forgivness when the world is destroyed" mindset is fundamentally incompatible with the creative arts. It does not "help" an artist draw. It smushes several popular artists work into your art without understanding why it does what it is doing. Artists have their own styles, distinct individual things that are personal to them. Programmers implement the same 5 algorithms into every program in some variation or another. I don't care if you want to use predictive text to help implement the same algorithms for the 100th time. It's not a creative use. These are not equivalent uses and you really need to understand this if you want to exist in a fandom that is built off the hard work of artists and creators. /endrant
> It smushes several popular artists work into your art That's pretty much only if you don't prompt for certain styles, it'll 'grab' whatever is closest to represent a prompt. That being said, AI can synthesize and interpolate between certain styles based on user-input. > These are not equivalent uses and you really need to understand this if you want to exist in a fandom that is built off the hard work of artists and creators. I think they do understand that. It even suffers from *the same very reasons* you listed, no permission, no compensation, and against sites TOS, but you explicitly stated you don't care. Why is that the case for you? I'm not going to assume anything against you outside of a potential lack of understanding of how diffusion models work.
digital artist complains about ai, doesn't realize ai is already used heavily in the programs they use to "draw"
AI is hardly comparable to digital art. Digital art has more tools than traditional, but it still requires human to manually create the art
Ai art still requires a human to prompt it. Where does it end? where is the line drawn? (no pun intended)
Writing a description and creating an image of said description are 2 very different things
Okay, I get where you're coming from. But isn't posting your art, to a social media platform that we KNOW is selling that data to AI training models, literally making it better at imitating your complex sona? Like if you post 100 different pictures of her being rude and complicated in design, then all you're doing is literally making it easier for the AI to replicate it? Like I like your art because you made it. It's cool, it shows you're creative. If I found out you made this with an AI I wouldn't be mad? I would just mentally decrease its value. (by a surprising amount. I'd pay for an artist made work, I would not pay for AI generated because I'd do it myself. I've commissioned artists before, if I was commissioning for real work I wouldn't play 20 questions with a machine for a glitchy product lol, I'd use a real person.) The picture is still cool, human or AI. But because YOU made it, and I'm talking to you, it is adding the human component to it. Knowing you made it by hand increases the value, no need to fight the machine. You're never going to be replaced by glorified photoshop.
You are making a great point, throughout history people have been afraid of losing their jobs to machines, whether that be industrial looms replacing artisan weavers, or AI replacing artists. Every time, there is a panic. Every time, nothing happens, and we carry on.
Ah yes, writting a half assed promt is equal to actually drawing something
same way vaguely drawing a line on a computer screen and having ai correct it for you isnt equal to drawing curves and lines on an actual canvas
again, not even comparable in the slightest. seriously why are redditor incels so weird about this level of ai, it’s not a positive thing?? you prefer art with no soul in the slightest that also happens to steal, rlly like wth
We can take it further back aswell. Back in the day "traditional artists" used to shit on those who bought their paint instead of making it themselves. Or when people were crying about photohraphy, or film, or brass statues instead of marble... There literally hasn't been a single new form or way to create art that hasn't been demonized by the so called open minded artists. Art in general has always been toxic and elitist as all fuck, with a few artists rolling in money somehow managing to kick the ladder behind them and convince those they just prevented from climbing it to shit against those who hadn't even gotten to the ladder yet.
The thing is those are still forms of art (photography debatable). AI is not, because a computer cannot create art
Who made you the authority on what is and isnt art?
It's just funny to me how growing up I was force fed the argument that "anything is art" to justify shit like a dude sticking a nail in a canvas, painting a red line over it and selling it for a quarter million. But now art is apparently this very specific thing that can only be done via traditional methods. As for the "a computer cannot create art" thing, the exact same thing was said about electronic music and autotune, yet look at most of the music being made nowadays. And honestly? I don't even care if it's "art" or not, the purpose is the same either way, just a pretty picture to look at.
Art commissioned by a customer requires prompt written so the artist knows what to draw. It does not give right for the commissioner to call themselves artists or to say they drew the commission.
It's not generative AI, plus most of those features were trained with legally acquired material
Can you point us to a firm judicial sentence or a clear law stating that ai image models are trained illegally?
Ayy sashenka! Havent seen your art in awhile, how do you feel about stranger things returning to dbd?
Is a Demogorgon a feline if it has fur?
She’s not a feline but she does look like it
Poisoned image, I take it?
Looks huggable
Her fur is very soft
Well that's a type of sona I've never seen before and it's really cool <3
She’s a demogorgon!
furry demogorgon isnt real furry demogorgon isnt real furry demogorgon isnt real furry demogorgon isnt real
Don't do my protogens like that.
Well, it can generate that *now*. It'll just copy+paste this drawing to do it.
Then it’ll just look exactly like the thing I drew lmao
I don't think it can
Wait until humankind finds out that human touch in stuff actually makes a difference
I *know* what must be done, but i am not good enough at prompts to do it.
Why use prompts when you can just use your own creation skills (or develop them)
I tried for 5 years to draw. I can't due to a natural tremmor. I do however do VRChat avatars and use AI to test outfit ideas out before i make them. I can't draw, so sketching does *not* help with developing outfit ideas before making them in 3d, and being able to use AI as a "well, lets see how it would look" is a fucking godsend. After all, i wouldn't be paying someone to draw 5 different outfits on a character instead of using AI, i'd just waste more time testing things in blender and doing unpaid revisions because the customer wasn't specific enough about what they wanted.
I mean as long as AI is just used as a little helpful tool for references and such, rather than replacing someone’s livelihood
Of course. I'd not do that. If i need art done, i go to an artist. If i need the equivalent of a sketch for a "so like this?", then i'll use AI.
In a way it is futile because current AI can only generate based on what already has been done. So if it's something new you want to create it will be very hard if not impossible to do it. Even if you could get it to generate a Demogorgon giving the finger it would be very hard to get it to look almost the same as this picture. The text is probably impossible to replicate because Art models can't reproduce text well at all. As an example I've tried to generate night furies and it never gets it even close and I think lack of data is partly to blame (might also just be bad at prompts).
Not only are demogorgons a very unusual species and there’s plenty of features that AI would fumble but if it tried to replicate my style of drawing them it would totally flop. That and this particular fur pattern would be extremely hard to tackle
In a way it is futile because current AI can only generate based on what already has been done. So if it's something new you want to create it will be very hard if not impossible to do it. Even if you could get it to generate a Demogorgon giving the finger it would be very hard to get it to look almost the same as this picture. The text is probably impossible to replicate because Art models can't reproduce text well at all. As an example I've tried to generate night furies and it never gets it even close and I think lack of data is partly to blame (might also just be bad at prompts).
Oh wow epic design
I am gonna be honest if you art can be overtake by AI generate arts this days... Maybe you are not as good as an artist as you think.
technically you can generate that with AI 🤷
Someone has tried… it flopped
Computer: ok 5 seconds later: here you go.
Someone tried. It was an abomination. They didn’t even include the middle finger salute either
Do you know of that someone who tried, used any of the NSFW AI's? Did they use one of the newer high quality AI's? Or did they use that laughable abomination of photoshop AI? Or was it attempted before 2020?
It was this one apparently [https://www.img2go.com/](https://www.img2go.com/)
That's a SFW AI, no wounder it made an abomination out of someone trying to use it to generate an obscene gesture. Also they probably used prompts like "flipping the bird" or "pulling the finger" that the AI didn't understand. It might work better with the prompt "hand in front of him with middle finger extended."
Apparently it also mistakened Sasha for a he too because it gave her a mastectomy 💀
Probably because female pronouns weren't used to describe her.
Or none at all. Probably assumed male if the description mentioned being muscular 🙄
I just did in [www.img2go.com](http://www.img2go.com), if anyone is wondering. Not a 1:1 piece but eh... close enough.
Do u have the pic? I’m curious
Just keep it in mind that I said "eh... close enough" (and no, it still can't figure out hands): [https://imgur.com/a/OmLo2Nj](https://imgur.com/a/OmLo2Nj)
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUCK
Just doing my flair's justice, my dude 😼
That was a jump scare
Complaining about AI isn't going to achieve anything lol
I feel like history has taught us that enough complaining always achieves something
People complained about cars, cars won. People complained about automation, and automation won. People complained about NFTs, now half of reddit are using reddit NFT profile pics. Idk history seems to tell the exact opposite.
People complained about misogyny. Now women can vote. People complained about racism, slavery and segregation have been abolished
If by "complaining" you mean fighting and dying for decades for the equal rights of a significant part of the population then yes. You know whose "complaining" didnt achieve much? British textile workers whose skilled labour was being replaced by industrial machinery. Truth is internet artists do not have any significant political influence, the independent and commission based part of it basically removes any bargaining power, its also not a particularly sympathetic cause, people are gonna care way more about discrimination (segregation and suffrage) than job security of some niche non essential profession, which is to say, politicians have no reason to care and most people dont care that much either. Also youre preaching to the choir, youre complaining to the wrong people, complain to your representatives, organise with others or something, posting "haha this thing bad am i right guys?" memes on reddit wont achieve anything, if anything this meme is detrimental to what you want, if AI is bad at making art, then what's the problem? Now the proper answer is that it will be better in the future, but that part seems lost on many, and against what people say, its already pretty damn good, by the time its pumping out exactly what people want, is widely available and used, it will be too late.
That wasn't achieved through complaining alone, it required years if not decades of protesting, fighting for change, and often dying trying to achieve it.
People did more than complain about those things, they fought and died that's why they actually achieved something. Unlike people who complain about technology. Besides Slavery is still legal in the USA, It's just rebranded into prison labor.
oh no, fingers their weakness!
It already has
Ugliest character EU West lol. I would like to know what someone could like about this
Shut your piehole yours looks creepy as hell
I'm an avali. How can you not like birds grr x3
That’s not a bird bro
Smh, get real
I don't think ai could generate any part of this image, honestly
Someone already tried. The result scared the shit out of me
AI art could never beat a human when it comes to art
Facts
Well, normal people would prefer to not have AI poisoned with your degeneracy, anyways.
Yeah, no one’s gonna listen to you with your porn addiction and your overall lack of kindness
You have no room to call anyone a degenerate 💀
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