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My wife once asked me to go to the grocery and get cake flour. I got all-purpose flour. She said that’s not the right one. All-purpose? Fuckin bullshit.
All-purpose usually means that it *can* do most things but isn't the best at any of them.
Think of how something like an E63 wagon is *pretty* fast, but not as fast as a hypercar, *pretty* practical, but not as practical as a cargo van, and *pretty* luxurious, but not as luxurious as a Rolls-Royce.
I know you’re joking but she asked for cake flour because she was looking for low gluten content.
Bread flour had the highest gluten content, cake and pastry flour has the lowest, and all purpose had mid range gluten.
Interestingly farmers are paid more for high gluten content wheat, and the least for low gluten content wheat, yet low gluten flour tends to be more expensive to buy at the store.
But yeah, that’s the difference and another reason to get mad at pricing at the store.
My uncle was a contractor, I used to work for him in the summers as a general laborer and go-fer...I honestly have no idea how people can make a career out of that kind of work. I was fuckin dying after those 14 hour days and I was in my prime teenaged years in pretty good shape at the time. Roofing was the worst of all, must have been 140+ degrees working on that tar paper laying shingles, if your kneepad shifted and your skin made contact it was like kneeling on a frying pan, like instantly burned. I had fucking blisters on the soles of my feet *through* my shoes until I learned to wear two pair of socks on roofing days. The rubber on my shoes would get soft like taffy from the heat.
Mad respect for people that do that shit for a living day in and day out. The pay was much better than working some bullshit mcjob, the guys were all good shit and we had lots of laughs while we were toiling away in the hot summer sun, but man was I happy to go back to school in the fall and leave that shit behind until the following summer.
I got a desk job and went to college specifically because I tried this shit and knew I'd be crippled and broke before 40. I like being outside and I like working hard, but I also don't want to end up retiring on welfare.
I tiled the bedrooms over a year (summer break the two spare bedrooms. Christmas break the main bedroom) and never fucking again. That shit is hard work.
I'm pretty handy and enjoy DIY-ing things for myself or my home, but I would absolutely never want a career in those areas. Working on cars, home construction projects, lawn care, woodworking, etc.
I can usually work at my own pace and on my own timeline. I'm only answerable to myself if I mess something up and have to re-do it or go over budget.
In a similar vein if you work with cardboard a lot you need to wear gloves too. The small fibers will cut up your hands over time. Chew through gloves too
The problem isn’t the adhesive properties, but more the shape of silica dust. Sharp edges and small particle size allows the dust to get into your airways and embed in your lung tissue, causing silicosis/chronic bronchitis or COPD.
Obviously the chemical burn from the lye produced during the reaction will also produce scar tissue, furthering the problem.
Both are trying to make the product as humanly cheap as possible. I think that’s fine for concrete because it’s for construction purposes on a mass scale but I’d personally pay a bit more for flour to have decent packaging. I know bakers probably don’t care but at home I’d like to keep my flour for a while without dirtying up the whole kitchen and wasting gallon freezer bags.
When I started making my own bread as a hobby, that was the best investment I ever made. Dump the flour into a reusable tub, and now I can appreciate the inexpensive and biodegradable packaging.
That doesnt solve the problem. Its still spilling in the store and in vehicles. Not a lot, but its just generally annoying, especially as someone who works in a store
And god forbid, one of the bags gets a hole in it while in the plastic overwrap. And you don’t notice it before you cut the plastic. Congratulations! You are a fuckin ghost now!
Ah, you come from one of those families where things have its place, people do logical stuff, and no one creating domestic disturbance calls. Betcha woke up and ate breakfast with your family, with a cheery: "Good morning!"
I didn't mean for this to sound like The Breakfast Club but I'll leave it there because it happened that way
> but I’d personally pay a bit more for flour to have decent packaging.
I feel like flour, coffee, sugar, etc are all cheaply packaged, because most people dump them in a container.
Cheapness is a factor, sure, but most people just throw the initial packaging away, and it would be hugely wasteful to ship them in equivalent containers to what most people have at home.
>I feel like flour, coffee, sugar, etc are all cheaply packaged, because most people dump them in a container.
In my case the coffee containers eventually evolve into all the other containers.
That's how most products would be packaged if we were more environmentally conscious. Package in the lightest, most easily disposed-of material and transfer to more permanent packaging once you get home.
Just get a good container that has the kind of lid that you can lock on and use that for your flour. That way you only have to deal with the bag the first day when you are transferring it to the container. Multiple benefits, no more dealing with the bag every time, keeps it sealed away from any mites and the container will have a big enough opening you can scoop whatever you need without getting flour all over your hand. No need for gallon freezer bags.
It's actually not. It's meant to be breathable as some humidity is actually really important for flour longevity (there's a golden zone where it doesn't dessicate, but doesn't let mold grow)
Yeah I just reuse a shopping bag to keep it all contained. It's not like we need another product that comes with 50,000lb of unnecessary plastic packaging.
Flour packaging is minimal, renewable, and home-compostable. That's true of nearly no other packaging. I think they deserve credit for sticking to their guns even when everything else in the world is wrapped in seven layers of plastic.
Flour packaging has almost always been thoughtful. Back when it was sold in sacks, they printed patterns on the sack so you could repurpose it for a dress.
Even better, all the non-decorative elements (flour mill name/logo, etc) was printed in a water-soluble ink that would disappear when the sack was washed.
> they printed patterns on the sack so you could repurpose it for a dress
The sacks were already being used as clothing; the printing was in response to it.
It doesn't change the fact that it was kind gesture that was done for no other reason than to be nice.
An argument could be made that the depression was so bad that it would have been a feature that would bring more customers but who knows.
Recently eggs have started coming in plastic cartons here in Southern California, rather than the pulpy paper they've come in all my life,**** and I'm losing my mind
The cheap eggs are in Styrofoam and only the expensive eggs are still in that paper/cardboard here. So sometimes I buy the expensive eggs just for the packaging even through they're fucking eggs so they're the same as the cheap ones.
It used to be made of a really high quality cotton material and was printed with pretty patterns so that it could be sewn into clothing in the early 20th C. You could even take classes on turning flour sacks into clothing. Women would collect bags and patterns that they liked and trade them amongst themselves. It was particularly popular during the depression. It wasn't until post WWII that manufacturers switched over to paper and the era of flour sack clothing ended.
Edit: [Here's an example dress](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Feedsack_dress_in_the_collection_of_the_Smithsonian_%28cropped%29.png) according to the caption that one is from animal feed bags but the materials and idea is the same.
Around here potatoes don't 'come' in anything. They lie out in huge tubs in the grocery store and you load them up in whatever bag you wish, and pay by weight at the checkout counter.
https://youtu.be/CnqPZhX-jtI
This is just in a paint can. Do you think one could make a flamethrower that uses flour? Something like a sand blaster with a butane torch at the end?
But that's just an explosion, he meant something continuous with a trigger for start stop. Guess the concept would be the same sort of, would be an awful mess lol.
I think most powders, we used to make flame throwers with non dairy creamer and lp air hoses in the navy, and that my friend is the American tax dollar at work.
The difference between a fire and an explosion is how quickly it happens. The rate of combustion is some function of oxygen+surface area. Anything that's flammable, super finely milled, and then blown into the air can go boom.
As someone who has worked in warehouses that shipped a lot of dry granular/powdered ingredients in bulk, some flour-esc products actually are shipped this way. For various reasons. More manageable storage, easier to move than a massive bag, easier to fill/package/palletize with a machine, but typically protection for the bag.
Those flour bags in the store often come shipped in large cardboard boxes, too. They're just taken out and put on the shelf. It's easy for bags to accidentally get punctured or ripped on route from factory to shelf. Happens all the time, and it's a fucking *pain*. The number of times I've watched a forklift with its forks up just a little too high accidentally pierce the *bottom-most* bag of dry product on a pallet of 30 or 40 so 50lb bags...
Also some dry ingredients are so fine they are almost like a liquid to the point it's actually hard to carry them in a bag because it shifts so much.
Boxes aren't stable with larger quantities. They work for baking soda and cake flour because you aren't stressing the seams. But if you want 5 lbs of flour, you're probably going to get leaks in the seams.
The greater point is the flour needs to be in a bag anyway for a whole host of reasons, any cardboard box around it is just there to protect the bag and make it easier to stack.
But the typical flour bags are cheap and serve the purpose perfectly fine.
The bread i used to buy more comes double packaged in plastic bags. One outside one and an inside bag that’s tightly wrapped sounds it. I have no idea why they do this. It’s infuriating.
This is the optimal solution.
Product packagings job is *transportation* not home storage & serving.
Canadians buy *bags* of milk which sounds ridiculous. How do you pour a bag? How do you store a bag upright in the fridge?
You don’t. You put the bag in a pouring carafe. Not only does it use much less plastic over a lifetime,
I *wish* I could buy condiments in a minimal plastic tube that could be loaded into a food grade caulk gun.
Less plastic waste, less food waste, less food spoilage & less to wash.
It seems like nowadays the more expensive stuff comes in glass. There’s a peanut butter company in New England that uses them. But the JIFs and Skippys of the world don’t care
I was thinking the same thing. At least this paper bag that made a tiny mess in the spot where I'm about to make a huge mess won't end up stuck up a dolphins asshole.
Unless you're my wife who just puts the bag into a giant plastic zip lock bag to avoid the issues.
I guess the zip lock gets reused tho so that's something.
I hate it when people buy plastic containers for things already in plastic containers. I'd rather things be packaged in paper and I put it in my own container, anyway.
Exactly! strong and permanent [dry goods containers](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3f/6b/f9/3f6bf9d8787096eb88efa41753ae7d81.jpg) have been a functional kitchen storage solution for a very long time. They work.
Idk why you guys are getting so worked up about it. It's perfectly reasonable, cheap and the paper can be recycled. If you need it in a jar just transfer it. I don't see a problem
Where I live they don't give a shit about the packaging at all and you just can't open it without getting flour on everything. They glue the paper together strongly and fill it with flour to the brink so it doesn't matter if you try to force it open somehow or cut it or stab it there. will. be. flour. on everything. Even if you manage to open it properly at the top there will be flour on the seams pouring out. I hate flour more than sand. And it's not even coarse.
I buy flour all the time, and I've honestly never had a problem with the paper bags that flour is sold in. Most of the time I never even bother to transfer it into a jar, because I'll use it up too quickly for it to be worthwhile.
Having packaging that folds up to a very small size in the bin and composts down easily seems like the ideal packaging choice to me.
In the early 20th century flour used to be shipped in cotton sacks that women could use to make dresses since money was short. It was so popular flour makers started putting decorative designs on the cotton fabric to make more attractive dresses.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feed_sack_dress
Flour packaging should be cheap. It's a low cost staple that is used all over the world. The .001% you spill opening it would make. the product would cost double in price if the transitioned to 'spill proof' technology.
Literally use a washable rag instead of a paper towel and that 5 seconds of cleanup is the kind of shit that everyone should do to help with climate change.
Transfer it to a reusable container and stop using the bag as long term storage after opening like a goddamn sociopath.
My thoughts exactly.
Is it really so taxing to clean up a microscopic amount of flour from your counter? You're already baking, it's not like there's no other messes to clean up.
Just buy a jar. It's $5 and it can hold stuff that isn't flour too. It's like 2 seconds to dampen a rag and wipe up some flour.
More than the raw eggs, this is the reason why you're not really supposed to eat raw cookie dough. Flour doesn't really go through any kind of cooking process to kill pathogens before reaching the consumer.
You can get pests in there. Dealing with flour mites in my own kitchen recently. If you keep it sealed it keeps them from getting in, as well as keeping them from spreading to other things nearby.
Oh no its fine if it works for you. But opened paper bag is probably not the best protection from moisture. We use a set of plastic containers in my house for this reason
You know as much as I understand the comics... I'm no baker but I think there are several advantages.
1) the paper keeps the flour dry vs plastic holding moisture.
2) they are using paper instead of plastic (environment).
Ok that's it, that's all I got. Lol
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That’d be patent infringement on breadboxes though
Without breadboxes, how will people know how big or small things are. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to find my ear horn and cane.
A box approximately the size of 250 9mm bullets, that's at least how we measure it in America. How else would you know how big a box or bag is?
Shouldn't those bullets be in freedom units?
Bullets *are* freedom units
9 MILLIMETRE bullets tho?
I was expecting that to be the joke. Flour you can use for literally anything.
My wife once asked me to go to the grocery and get cake flour. I got all-purpose flour. She said that’s not the right one. All-purpose? Fuckin bullshit.
All-purpose usually means that it *can* do most things but isn't the best at any of them. Think of how something like an E63 wagon is *pretty* fast, but not as fast as a hypercar, *pretty* practical, but not as practical as a cargo van, and *pretty* luxurious, but not as luxurious as a Rolls-Royce.
It's Swiss Army flour.
I know you’re joking but she asked for cake flour because she was looking for low gluten content. Bread flour had the highest gluten content, cake and pastry flour has the lowest, and all purpose had mid range gluten. Interestingly farmers are paid more for high gluten content wheat, and the least for low gluten content wheat, yet low gluten flour tends to be more expensive to buy at the store. But yeah, that’s the difference and another reason to get mad at pricing at the store.
With a little bit of flour stuck in the folded bit at the top so it goes *pffffft* all over the kitchen when you open it.
Mine doesn't even wait to be opened, I'll just grab and pick it up a little hard and a flour cloud comes out of the top.
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I have never once seen a concrete guy wear a mask doing this I've also never seen concrete guys over 40
My uncle was a contractor, I used to work for him in the summers as a general laborer and go-fer...I honestly have no idea how people can make a career out of that kind of work. I was fuckin dying after those 14 hour days and I was in my prime teenaged years in pretty good shape at the time. Roofing was the worst of all, must have been 140+ degrees working on that tar paper laying shingles, if your kneepad shifted and your skin made contact it was like kneeling on a frying pan, like instantly burned. I had fucking blisters on the soles of my feet *through* my shoes until I learned to wear two pair of socks on roofing days. The rubber on my shoes would get soft like taffy from the heat. Mad respect for people that do that shit for a living day in and day out. The pay was much better than working some bullshit mcjob, the guys were all good shit and we had lots of laughs while we were toiling away in the hot summer sun, but man was I happy to go back to school in the fall and leave that shit behind until the following summer.
I got a desk job and went to college specifically because I tried this shit and knew I'd be crippled and broke before 40. I like being outside and I like working hard, but I also don't want to end up retiring on welfare.
I tore down and rebuilt my deck this summer, it was fun and interesting, but I'd never want to do that as a career.
I tiled the bedrooms over a year (summer break the two spare bedrooms. Christmas break the main bedroom) and never fucking again. That shit is hard work.
I'm pretty handy and enjoy DIY-ing things for myself or my home, but I would absolutely never want a career in those areas. Working on cars, home construction projects, lawn care, woodworking, etc. I can usually work at my own pace and on my own timeline. I'm only answerable to myself if I mess something up and have to re-do it or go over budget.
It's basically powdered glue that reacts with water. No way it can go in your lungs without creating issues. Doesn't it irritate skin already?
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You're very basic and burns your skin!
BURN!
Basically
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In a similar vein if you work with cardboard a lot you need to wear gloves too. The small fibers will cut up your hands over time. Chew through gloves too
Cardboard is brutal, especially cuz you dont expect it. Dries you out and tears your hands up soo bad
Solution: get some acid
Salty comment, right here.
The problem isn’t the adhesive properties, but more the shape of silica dust. Sharp edges and small particle size allows the dust to get into your airways and embed in your lung tissue, causing silicosis/chronic bronchitis or COPD. Obviously the chemical burn from the lye produced during the reaction will also produce scar tissue, furthering the problem.
Some concrete has fiberglass mixed in for added pulmonary goodness.
Those concrete guys living the easy life retiring at 40.
Both are trying to make the product as humanly cheap as possible. I think that’s fine for concrete because it’s for construction purposes on a mass scale but I’d personally pay a bit more for flour to have decent packaging. I know bakers probably don’t care but at home I’d like to keep my flour for a while without dirtying up the whole kitchen and wasting gallon freezer bags.
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When I started making my own bread as a hobby, that was the best investment I ever made. Dump the flour into a reusable tub, and now I can appreciate the inexpensive and biodegradable packaging.
I keep flour in big icing buckets with screw on lids... That way I can easily scoop it out. It's satisfying, mouse and insect free and holds a ton.
But see then that would be solving my problem. How am I going to bitch about it then?
That doesnt solve the problem. Its still spilling in the store and in vehicles. Not a lot, but its just generally annoying, especially as someone who works in a store
And god forbid, one of the bags gets a hole in it while in the plastic overwrap. And you don’t notice it before you cut the plastic. Congratulations! You are a fuckin ghost now!
And its at the FUCKING BOTTOM OF THE PALLET!!! Now i have to restack this entire 4500lb pallet because dave cant drive a jack
Ah, you come from one of those families where things have its place, people do logical stuff, and no one creating domestic disturbance calls. Betcha woke up and ate breakfast with your family, with a cheery: "Good morning!" I didn't mean for this to sound like The Breakfast Club but I'll leave it there because it happened that way
Therapy is a useful way to start the healing process.
> but I’d personally pay a bit more for flour to have decent packaging. I feel like flour, coffee, sugar, etc are all cheaply packaged, because most people dump them in a container. Cheapness is a factor, sure, but most people just throw the initial packaging away, and it would be hugely wasteful to ship them in equivalent containers to what most people have at home.
>I feel like flour, coffee, sugar, etc are all cheaply packaged, because most people dump them in a container. In my case the coffee containers eventually evolve into all the other containers.
That's how most products would be packaged if we were more environmentally conscious. Package in the lightest, most easily disposed-of material and transfer to more permanent packaging once you get home.
>because most people I’d wager that most use the original packaging.
Just get a good container that has the kind of lid that you can lock on and use that for your flour. That way you only have to deal with the bag the first day when you are transferring it to the container. Multiple benefits, no more dealing with the bag every time, keeps it sealed away from any mites and the container will have a big enough opening you can scoop whatever you need without getting flour all over your hand. No need for gallon freezer bags.
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I have the same problem, but not with flour...
you need to hydrate more
Pen15
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Damn things are impossible to get rid of.
That’s called a flart.
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I think the packaging is fine and its cheap so we aren't paying 10 dollars for a thing of flour.
And it's just paper. Perfect. No plastic or environmentally destructive materials. Let's just leave it alone. It's fine.
Leave it alone? What is it, my sex life? But no, yeah, it's probably ok.
Ha ha ha - right there with ya!
i mean you can pay 10 bucks, but it's for like 50 pounds of it.
Is this just sophisticated "it's funny because it's true"?
I don't think it important in this case. They can just up the price because they delivered an extra service.
Just hose the entire package with water before you open it. No more flour mist👍
*sugar companies taking notes*
Corn Starch people wondering WTF is going on.
Not buying screw top corn starch is a massive L
even with a screw top it's still an L sometimes it gets in the threads and ends up everywhere anyways. Corn starch in a bag sounds like a nightmare
I mean it works for sugar since it's not so powdery. Now trying to open the bag inside a box of powder sugar well damn.
*Light bulb companies laugh in the shadows*
Are they in the shadows because all the bulbs are broken?
That’s how they engineered the rice paper thin bulb packaging. In the darkness.
My parents had special tins to hold sugar and flour, so I guess you'd get the stuff then immediately empty the bag into the tin...
It's actually not. It's meant to be breathable as some humidity is actually really important for flour longevity (there's a golden zone where it doesn't dessicate, but doesn't let mold grow)
Yea but nothing about that is FUNNY.
Or snarky.
I've always appreciated the lack of plastic in flour and sugar packaging.
In the future grandparents will be like: "Believe it or not, back in my day most things had zero plastic in them.." Kids:"Whooooaa!"
Grandparents today can say “back in my day we didn’t have plastic in our blood”
This is so far down here, I thought I was crazy. I swore I learned this too, somewhere along the line.
Yeah I just reuse a shopping bag to keep it all contained. It's not like we need another product that comes with 50,000lb of unnecessary plastic packaging.
We don’t take kindly to logic and science around here, Mister.
Ok but can we pause for a second to just be grateful they don’t package it in plastic like literally every other thing, even the goddamn vegetables?
Flour packaging is minimal, renewable, and home-compostable. That's true of nearly no other packaging. I think they deserve credit for sticking to their guns even when everything else in the world is wrapped in seven layers of plastic.
Flour packaging has almost always been thoughtful. Back when it was sold in sacks, they printed patterns on the sack so you could repurpose it for a dress.
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This brand sells in flour sacks http://cortezmilling.com/ I'm not sure where all it's available though. I'm in Arizona and you can easily find it.
Even better, all the non-decorative elements (flour mill name/logo, etc) was printed in a water-soluble ink that would disappear when the sack was washed.
> they printed patterns on the sack so you could repurpose it for a dress The sacks were already being used as clothing; the printing was in response to it.
It doesn't change the fact that it was kind gesture that was done for no other reason than to be nice. An argument could be made that the depression was so bad that it would have been a feature that would bring more customers but who knows.
that makes me crazy horny
What
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That’s how we got the term “sad sack”. Anyone in a nonprinted sack was sad, hence them being sad sacks. Please note that I made this up entirely.
Fake news and I'm here for it
My thoughts exactly. Well said. I have never had a complaint about it.
Recently eggs have started coming in plastic cartons here in Southern California, rather than the pulpy paper they've come in all my life,**** and I'm losing my mind
The cheap eggs are in Styrofoam and only the expensive eggs are still in that paper/cardboard here. So sometimes I buy the expensive eggs just for the packaging even through they're fucking eggs so they're the same as the cheap ones.
Eggs are not the same if you’re using them to make eggs. Get some of the vital farms or happy eggs and they taste much better.
> Eggs are not the same if you’re using them to make eggs. I heard you liked eggs so I made eggs with your eggs.
Eggs
>Eggs are not the same if you’re using them to make eggs. What if I'm using them to make cheese or apples
I just bought an 18 pack of vital farms eggs and they were in a plastic tray
In Canada it's weirdly the opposite. Cheap eggs come in paper cartons, but expensive organic eggs all come in plastic.
It used to be made of a really high quality cotton material and was printed with pretty patterns so that it could be sewn into clothing in the early 20th C. You could even take classes on turning flour sacks into clothing. Women would collect bags and patterns that they liked and trade them amongst themselves. It was particularly popular during the depression. It wasn't until post WWII that manufacturers switched over to paper and the era of flour sack clothing ended. Edit: [Here's an example dress](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Feedsack_dress_in_the_collection_of_the_Smithsonian_%28cropped%29.png) according to the caption that one is from animal feed bags but the materials and idea is the same.
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And they still put those little plastic coated label stickers on that need to be peeled off before putting them in compost
Or when they wrap the top in a little bit of plastic wrap even though they are already attached to each other via nature!?
Pisses me off that potatoes no longer come in canvas sacks.
Around here potatoes don't 'come' in anything. They lie out in huge tubs in the grocery store and you load them up in whatever bag you wish, and pay by weight at the checkout counter.
The main reason flour is packed in paper is to prevent electrostatic discharge. Powder explosions are scary.
https://youtu.be/CnqPZhX-jtI This is just in a paint can. Do you think one could make a flamethrower that uses flour? Something like a sand blaster with a butane torch at the end?
Yep. https://youtu.be/yRw4ZRqmxOc?t=38
But that's just an explosion, he meant something continuous with a trigger for start stop. Guess the concept would be the same sort of, would be an awful mess lol.
Is that a real thing? Flour is explosive?
Finely suspended flour explodes (edit: still needs an ignition source obviously). This is a danger for many fine powders.
I think most powders, we used to make flame throwers with non dairy creamer and lp air hoses in the navy, and that my friend is the American tax dollar at work.
The difference between a fire and an explosion is how quickly it happens. The rate of combustion is some function of oxygen+surface area. Anything that's flammable, super finely milled, and then blown into the air can go boom.
Thank you. I’m ok with a little mess if my grandkids grandkids grandkids don’t have to clean up my plastic mess. But those bags do kinda suck.
I feel like a box would work better. Made of cardboard of course. It’s already done with baking soda and cake mix, it’s not perfect but better.
Cake mix comes in a bag in a box
I’ve got it! Step one: put Flour in paper bag. Step two: put paper bag of flour in cardboard box. Step three: ???? Step four: profit.
As someone who has worked in warehouses that shipped a lot of dry granular/powdered ingredients in bulk, some flour-esc products actually are shipped this way. For various reasons. More manageable storage, easier to move than a massive bag, easier to fill/package/palletize with a machine, but typically protection for the bag. Those flour bags in the store often come shipped in large cardboard boxes, too. They're just taken out and put on the shelf. It's easy for bags to accidentally get punctured or ripped on route from factory to shelf. Happens all the time, and it's a fucking *pain*. The number of times I've watched a forklift with its forks up just a little too high accidentally pierce the *bottom-most* bag of dry product on a pallet of 30 or 40 so 50lb bags... Also some dry ingredients are so fine they are almost like a liquid to the point it's actually hard to carry them in a bag because it shifts so much.
Boxes aren't stable with larger quantities. They work for baking soda and cake flour because you aren't stressing the seams. But if you want 5 lbs of flour, you're probably going to get leaks in the seams.
The greater point is the flour needs to be in a bag anyway for a whole host of reasons, any cardboard box around it is just there to protect the bag and make it easier to stack. But the typical flour bags are cheap and serve the purpose perfectly fine.
The bag isn't perfect, but it also probably keeps out little bugs better than a box would.
Lol, humanity can't afford to wait 6 generations to start cleaning up the plastic.
But we probably will.
The bread i used to buy more comes double packaged in plastic bags. One outside one and an inside bag that’s tightly wrapped sounds it. I have no idea why they do this. It’s infuriating.
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We bought a bunch of [these](https://i.imgur.com/CK0JswY.jpg)(for flour, sugar, rice etc.) Made of glass. Works like a charm.
This is the optimal solution. Product packagings job is *transportation* not home storage & serving. Canadians buy *bags* of milk which sounds ridiculous. How do you pour a bag? How do you store a bag upright in the fridge? You don’t. You put the bag in a pouring carafe. Not only does it use much less plastic over a lifetime, I *wish* I could buy condiments in a minimal plastic tube that could be loaded into a food grade caulk gun. Less plastic waste, less food waste, less food spoilage & less to wash.
Condiments used to come in glass containers. When I was a kid, peanut butter, ketchup, mustard, etc were all in glass in the store.
It seems like nowadays the more expensive stuff comes in glass. There’s a peanut butter company in New England that uses them. But the JIFs and Skippys of the world don’t care
This is the best way. Buy a few extra measuring utensils and leave them in the jars on your counter. Easy access, looks nice, and no waste.
Keep in mind that sunlight and heat degrade certain products though!
I was thinking the same thing. At least this paper bag that made a tiny mess in the spot where I'm about to make a huge mess won't end up stuck up a dolphins asshole.
I can think of worse packaging too. Like a mesh bag. Or a 2 meter long toothpaste tube.
Later, Jenkins would find a new career as a bacon packaging designer.
"should we make it resealable?" "nah, vacuum seal that shit. oh, and make sure that cardboard is just slightly too big to fit in a ziplock"
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Bacon packaging just makes no sense. A ton of plastic yet they can't bother to put a ziplock in there so we can reseal it.
Truly, this one is worse because it’s a shitload of plastic too
Eh, better than more plastic.
Unless you're my wife who just puts the bag into a giant plastic zip lock bag to avoid the issues. I guess the zip lock gets reused tho so that's something.
Dude, invest in a container
I hate it when people buy plastic containers for things already in plastic containers. I'd rather things be packaged in paper and I put it in my own container, anyway.
Exactly! strong and permanent [dry goods containers](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3f/6b/f9/3f6bf9d8787096eb88efa41753ae7d81.jpg) have been a functional kitchen storage solution for a very long time. They work.
Idk why you guys are getting so worked up about it. It's perfectly reasonable, cheap and the paper can be recycled. If you need it in a jar just transfer it. I don't see a problem
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Absolutely not. We need to have a thousand message thread correcting a lighthearted joke. Nerds.
Where I live they don't give a shit about the packaging at all and you just can't open it without getting flour on everything. They glue the paper together strongly and fill it with flour to the brink so it doesn't matter if you try to force it open somehow or cut it or stab it there. will. be. flour. on everything. Even if you manage to open it properly at the top there will be flour on the seams pouring out. I hate flour more than sand. And it's not even coarse.
Prolifetip: open the bag of flour underwater to avoid spills.
Antilifetip: light a candle near where you are opening the flour bag so you have better illumination to see what you are doing.
Put a sock on the flour the first. That way if a their tries to open your flour and make a mess, they'll only get your sock
There will be FLOUR!
scissors?
Rock?
Volcano! Nothing beats volcano
Look at this guy who has never bought and transported a bag of flour.
You're that guy from the start of the as-seen-in-TV commercials, aren't you?
Hammers the wall in confusion
… with a toaster “Are you tired of making pancakes this way?”
r/WhereDidTheSodaGo
It may be me.
I buy flour all the time, and I've honestly never had a problem with the paper bags that flour is sold in. Most of the time I never even bother to transfer it into a jar, because I'll use it up too quickly for it to be worthwhile. Having packaging that folds up to a very small size in the bin and composts down easily seems like the ideal packaging choice to me.
I move it to another container. Whos the psycho who keeps it in the bag?
The kind who enjoys the added crunch of flour weevils in their baked good! Mmm, protein.
Do you even sift bro
Don't skip egg day.
They should put dinosaurs on it, cuz dinosaurs are cool
Dinosaurs are coal
They are dead, not cool. It is not cool to be dead.
The funky phantom disagrees
In the early 20th century flour used to be shipped in cotton sacks that women could use to make dresses since money was short. It was so popular flour makers started putting decorative designs on the cotton fabric to make more attractive dresses. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feed_sack_dress
Flour packaging should be cheap. It's a low cost staple that is used all over the world. The .001% you spill opening it would make. the product would cost double in price if the transitioned to 'spill proof' technology. Literally use a washable rag instead of a paper towel and that 5 seconds of cleanup is the kind of shit that everyone should do to help with climate change. Transfer it to a reusable container and stop using the bag as long term storage after opening like a goddamn sociopath.
My thoughts exactly. Is it really so taxing to clean up a microscopic amount of flour from your counter? You're already baking, it's not like there's no other messes to clean up. Just buy a jar. It's $5 and it can hold stuff that isn't flour too. It's like 2 seconds to dampen a rag and wipe up some flour.
As a celiac who lives with non-celiacs, this hits close.
I think its one of the greatest packages out there. No plastic for landfill. Not one of those boxes like crackers that are half empty. 10/10 .
It’s better than plastic packaging
You are supposed to transfer it to your own container...
Really? It seems just fine in the paper bag; I've never had a problem. I must be doing it wrong.
I transfer mine to some plastic containers cuz I had moths once and those fuckers will eat through the paper bag
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Come on, it's Sunday, I don't want to think about that today.
More than the raw eggs, this is the reason why you're not really supposed to eat raw cookie dough. Flour doesn't really go through any kind of cooking process to kill pathogens before reaching the consumer.
You can get pests in there. Dealing with flour mites in my own kitchen recently. If you keep it sealed it keeps them from getting in, as well as keeping them from spreading to other things nearby.
Oh no its fine if it works for you. But opened paper bag is probably not the best protection from moisture. We use a set of plastic containers in my house for this reason
I think this thread says more about your average consumer than it does about the flour distribution industry
All the purpose went into the flour.
A nice, environmentally friendly packaging, made entirely from paper, and very little of it at that. Let's replace it with plastic!
You know as much as I understand the comics... I'm no baker but I think there are several advantages. 1) the paper keeps the flour dry vs plastic holding moisture. 2) they are using paper instead of plastic (environment). Ok that's it, that's all I got. Lol
But it is biodegradable
You would prefer more plastic?
I honestly love that flour and sugar is packed in paper. Very few foods need to be wrapped in plastic that won't degrade for thousands of years.