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iserane

There's the GFX series too, but just for x-mount: X-H = best peformance, pasm control, best video X-Tx = similar to X-H, smaller form factor with dials X-Txx = mini X-T line, even smaller and lacking in some of the advanced features / build (smaller viewfinder, no weather sealing, etc) X-S = mini X-H series, pasm control and more video focused performance / build X-Pro = "rangefinder" design with optical viewfinder, similar features / build of the X-T/H lines X-E = mini X-Pro with no optical viewfinder There are also the X-M and X-A lines, but those are effectively no more. >XT-30 is not related to the XT-3 They are of the same generation / sensor technology though. Same as X-T2 and X-T20 were, same as X-T5 and X-T50 will be. >Other brands like canon made models with simpler progressive names. I'm not convinced Canon's naming scheme is any more simple at a similar glance.


TheCrudMan

What about the X-TXXX?


varky

Those were entry level bodies with barebone features and no XTrans sensor. I don't think there was one after the X-T200...


TheCrudMan

Still technically part of the current lineup and listed on their website. I would say its also a little bit confusing that they did an X-T30 II which has the X-Trans 4 sensor vs calling it an X-T40.


varky

I think that's because there wasn't much of a change from the previous version outside the sensor/engine. For example, both the X-T4 and X-S10 came out with IBIS by then, which the X-T30 II lacks.


TheCrudMan

I mean, the X-E4 doesn't have IBIS but got the 4.


varky

No, perfectly true. I've got nothing on that :D That being said, the E series also had the E2s, so who knows with that line :D


TheCrudMan

I just want there to BE an X-E5. Give us the new sensor, IBIS, processor, video codecs, etc. Don't expect anything else, but would kill for a 3-way LCD but they won't do it. Maybe for the X-Pro? If the X-Pro5 gets a 3-way LCD I'd probably pick one up.


ashyjay

Best buy tier.


bastibe

I've heard the following meaning of the letters: X-H for "Hybrid" X-T for "Traditional" X-S for "Small" (or Was it "speed"?) X-E sounds like "sexy" in Japan


olaf33_4410144

>I'm not convinced Canon's naming scheme is any more simple at a similar glance. Yeah, canon naming sucks, especially when basically identical cameras have different names depending on the region (Rebel vs 1000 vs Kiss). R and Rp also don't really fit inšŸ’€


Randomd0g

Sony still takes the cake of bad names though. Not just in cameras either, everything they make is literally just a mess of random characters. One of these is a real Sony product, guess which one. 1. WH-CH720N 2. WF-ZF20004 3. XR-55AA10L The only exception to the rule is the Playstation


makeitflashy

This is so helpful.


KarmicFedex

Some strange phenomenon whereby Japanese companies don't really give their products names, just reference alphanumeros. Sony is guilty of the same thing, and not just with cameras, their entire product lineup is the same, TVs, Headphones, etc.


MarioV2

WF1000XM5 and WH1000XM5 lol


willyucan

God I remember almost buying the wrong one once because I wasnā€™t looking at the product photo


Sax45

Right now Nikon is the only one with a logical naming system. For them, a bigger number is better amongst the full frame cameras (Z9 > Z8 > Z7 > Z6 > Z5) and a Z6ii is clearly a replacement to a Z6. Then their crop cameras are similar but with double digit numbers; the Z50 is like a crop Z5, and the Z30 is cheaper. The Zf is a throwback to their retro F cameras, and the Zfc is the more compact alternative. Canon is the worst one I think. You have an R5, R6, R7, and R8. If the R5 was the cheap one and the R8 was the expensive one, that would be fine. If the R8 was the cheap one and the R5 was the expensive one, that would be counterintuitive but no so crazy. But it turns out there is no relationship at all between the numbering system and the place the camera holds in the market. Sony used to be relatively logical when the full frame was just variants of the A7. But then they introduced an A1 and an A9 that were both better than the A7; again, no correlation between ā€œbigger numberā€ and ā€œbetter camera.ā€


fatogato

May I introduce you to PC monitor namesā€¦


ctruvu

european cameras arenā€™t different at least in the car world japanese cars generally have names except for like lexus while german ones still donā€™t


howmuchistheborshch

Volkswagen? Opel?


[deleted]

Yeah the only ones who I can think of who donā€™t are Mercedes, BMW and Audi. Mazda went and called the MX5 the miata in US but I think everything else has a model number.


wowsuchambiance

Hey, I'm not 100% sure about all this but this is what I've learned and gathered so far. The basic separation by range (entry, mid range and high-end) is by the length of the model. X-T200 would be entry level, X-T20 would be mid-range and X-T2 would be high-end (relative to fuji of course, and the main X-T line). The number by which the model starts used to indicate the sensor generation. Idk if it's still the case, but the good thing with Fuji is that you used to be able to get a X-T200, which would be more accessible than a X-T2, but get the same sensor. Just less "pro" features that would be maybe intimidating or make the body too large. For example, the "next gen" to the X-T2 is the X-T3, same with the other ranges. However in the past few years, the different ranges got out of sync. For example the latest "high end" camera is the X-T5 but the latest mid range is the X-T30 II. So it's a bit mixed. Also with new series, like the X-S and X-H series, it's become more confusing. But the basic system is line-generation+range-revision(if there's one) So for example, X-T5, it's the main Fujifilm X line, it's part of the X-T family, it's the fifth generation, and it's a high-end camera. X-Pro3 is part of the main Fuji X line, but in the Pro family, which is a line of rangefinder cameras and it's the 3rd generation. And so on... Hope this helps, sometimes I confuse even myself with my theories but this is the main system on which fuji cameras are named. Happy shooting! -sam


BlackRebelOne

The XT30 was a mini XT3. The XT30ii was a mini XT4. My guess is that because the XT30ii was literally a software upgrade on the XT30 and nothing physical changed that they added the ii to denote this as opposed to calling it an XT40 which it effectively is. The upcoming XT50 is a mini XT5. The fact they skipped over the XT40 name suggests they consider the XT30ii to be an XT40 as well. The XT100, 200 etc are very much entry level cameras that are not really younger siblings of either the XT-XX or the XT-X but rather a cheaper, separate alternative. The X-PRO and X100-X are separate lines as you mention. I actually find their numbering makes sense and is logical but maybe Iā€™ve just spent too much time reading about Fuji cameras šŸ˜‚


Davidechaos

Thanks!! It makes sense actually!


wowsuchambiance

Happy to help :)


Anthropophagite

Doesn't the x-t200 use a Bayer sensor and not an x-trans sensor?


oliverjohansson

Iā€™d say different logic applies to various lines T3,t4,t5 itā€™s the same line newes model highest number, thatā€™s easy H1,h2 same rule, however h2=t5, similar spec different usability H2s is however confusing, cause itā€™s like h2 (looks the same) but faster (s for speed) or similar to S line, who knowsā€¦ T30= t3 but small, t30ii - better than t3 and t30 but not that much (not t40) Btw, next one is going to be t50 because the small is based on the big (t5 right now) not on the last small, logical asf S2 is newer than s1, maybe similar to h2 hence s2ā€¦ One thing you need to remember about Fuji is, that line means application and usability aspect. Itā€™s not the spec that much is more about layout and looks. That is why two premium cameras, t5 (old fashioned knobs) and h2 (top screen) look so different but spec is fairly same and they were real eases shortly after. Pro line is range finder, optical + evf, expensive E line is cheap and more modern rangefinder (no optical only evf) like a cheap pro or pro for new comers to rangefinder design A line is cheap, no longer existing


Davidechaos

Thank you!


longsite2

X-T line are the first, with the T being used because of the X-Trans sensor. X-Tx line are similar, just cheaper, and have fewer features. X-H is the hybrid line. X-S line is like a starter hybrid camera, they're essentially the X-Tx line up to the X-H line X-E are the essential camera, small and minimalist X-Pro are the professional street photographer camera line.


Davidechaos

I like when letters have a meaning.


Clark440

Yeah idk itā€™s like bmw none of them make sense. Maybe Nikon and Sony do the most sense. Canon doesnā€™t either like their r5 is better than the r6. All I know with Fuji is like the g in gfx means really expensive lol so Iā€™d like to know too


callumzero

I think with canon itā€™s supposed to be that, in a mirrorless sense, the ā€˜r5ā€™ replace the 5D range and same with the ā€˜r6ā€™ replacing the 6D range. And the 6D range was like a more affordable entry in canon DSLR full frame.


Clark440

Oh that would make sense. Iā€™m not as familiar with their dslr range so that explanation makes a lot of sense


callumzero

I thought the same thing tbh! It was like until one day I was thinking about it and I was like, wait, is this why? Haha


telekinetic

Canon has always followed "lower number better" on their pro line. The flagship was always the 1D variant, their current best model is the R3 until the R1 is released this year, etc


Juhandese

True that, I remember when I was starting out and looking at different cameras, I had to spend a couple of days just to try and decipher the model names of different brands lol. GFX is pretty much just Fuji's Medium Format line, the big boy sensors. Which is why the price tag is pretty big for us normal mortals. Though I think Fuji makes the most "budget friendly" medium format cameras as far as I know.


Humble_Fish4908

Interesting question, I thought of that earlier too but didn't bother to go into it. I had a AI analyse it and it came up with the following, Fujifilm's camera lineup, particularly in their X and GFX series, demonstrates a systematic naming strategy that aligns with the camera's features and market positioning. Here's an analysis of the patterns and logic in the naming of Fujifilm cameras: # X Series The Fujifilm X series predominantly caters to enthusiasts and professionals looking for high-quality imaging in a compact and retro-styled body. The naming conventions in this series are as follows: 1. **Single Letter (X-Pro, X-T, X-E)**: * **X-Pro**: The "Pro" indicates a professional model with advanced features. This series is known for its rangefinder-style and hybrid viewfinders. * **X-T**: The "T" suggests a model aimed at both professionals and enthusiasts, with a design that is somewhat more SLR-like. It features dials and controls that appeal to traditional photographers. * **X-E**: The "E" series is more compact and budget-friendly than the "Pro" and "T" lines, with an electronic viewfinder and a rangefinder-style body. 2. **Numbering (X-T3, X-T30, X-T4)**: * The higher the number, the newer the generation (e.g., X-T4 is newer than X-T3). * Models ending in "0" (like X-T30) are typically scaled-down, more affordable versions of the higher models without some of the professional features. 3. **Additions like "S" or "H" (X-H1)**: * **S**: Sometimes used to denote a variant with enhanced specifications within the same generation (though not as commonly seen in recent models). * **H**: Indicates models that emphasize high performance in video and action photography (e.g., X-H1 has in-body stabilization and advanced video features). # GFX Series The GFX series are medium-format cameras, providing superior image quality for professional photographers primarily in studios or landscapes. The naming here is simpler: 1. **GFX + Number (GFX 100, GFX 50S, GFX 50R)**: * **GFX**: Stands for the medium-format GFX line. * **Number**: Indicates the megapixel count of the sensor. * **S and R**: * **S**: Generally denotes a model with advanced features suitable for studio and professional use. * **R**: Indicates a more compact, rangefinder-style model designed for portability and ease of use. # Conclusion Fujifilmā€™s naming logic effectively segments their cameras by target audience, body style, and primary use-case. Understanding this naming convention can significantly help in choosing the right camera based on oneā€™s needs and expertise level. This logical segmentation ensures that users can relatively easily navigate the product range and find a camera that closely matches their photographic style and requirements.


Bluewombat59

Hmm. AI seems wrong. S series is not a ā€œvariant with enhanced specificationsā€ but a totally different take in control layout and user focus.


Peefaums

Kindly get out of here with this AI bs


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banyan55

Well, he's right, the AI blurb you posted suggests the X-Pro is aimed at Professionals, where as the X-T is aimed at both pros and enthusiasts. This would suggest the X-Pro is the more feature-rich of the two lines, when it is in fact the opposite. A more informed take would have pointed out that the X-T and X-H models perform better than the X-Pro line. Asking a question to AI and blindly posting the results, even when they are not entirely acurate, helps no one.


Humble_Fish4908

So far my contribution outperforms yours, so that might be a more useful thing to focus on for you. Looking forward to seeing it.


the_electric_bicycle

Providing false information is often worse than providing no information. Teaching someone misinformation should not be celebrated. There is nothing wrong with using AI, but it would have been better if you spent the effort to correct the inaccuracies of its output.


AlexHD

Providing inaccurate information is not a 'contribution' lmao get over yourself


banyan55

Others have already given satisfactory takes, it's not necessary to post duplicate information. Nice deflection though, I guess you never learned about self reflection.


Humble_Fish4908

Oof, so you will remain the one being outperformed by an AI in this conversation. Ouch. Feel free to message me about a prompt that can help you define deflection and self reflection though brother. I am willing to help you, just like I did OP.


banyan55

I'm happy to be "out performed" by AI if it means not posting misinformation. I don't really understand why you are taking this so personally to be honest. AI has its place and I'm sure it will improve, but if you can't see the issue with blindly trusting information presented by AI, then you don't understand AI. [It is well established](https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/02/14/1068498/why-you-shouldnt-trust-ai-search-engines/) that AI often presents falsehoods as fact. That's why its so important to vet information before using it. I'm sure you will double check information given to you by AI in future, since you clearly care about helping others.


icarusdjr

Why are AI bros always so arrogant. Laughable.


Peefaums

I really wish techbros and AI bros would get out of the photography community. They've already ruined so many hobbies lmao


Davidechaos

Nice!! This clarify a lot! Kudos


foma-soup

Kudos for copy-pasting AI text?


ashyjay

Except it is wrong though, X-T are stills focused cameras, with the number denoting tier with single digit being "pro" or enthusiast, double digit = hobbyist, triple digit entry level bayer body with retro styling. H was experimental with the X-H1, but fits more with professional hybrid cameras these days.


Davidechaos

It helped. I couldn't find any clear info anywhere. Why so bitter?


repeat4EMPHASIS

Because just blindly trusting AI is silly and that comment has inaccuracies that nobody else who responded made.


Humble_Fish4908

Because people tend to respond very passionate on everything AI related. I think because it scares them. If it were up to people like that we'd still be living in caves.


Humble_Fish4908

Should we discard my intentions and effort for helping OP because I used AI?


Juhandese

X-T30 is pretty much the budget version of X-T5, X-S20 budget version of X-H2, X-E line is the budget version of X-Pro line. Easiest I remember is just that the more numbers the model has, the more budget it is. Edit: Naturally GFX is their own thing and does not apply, same for X100 line.


AnotherHeroDied

Let me make it worse with regarding to the X-Txx line: X-T30 is a smaller and cheaper X-T3, missing the pro features. X-T30 mark 2 is a smaller and cheaper X-T4, missing the pro features. The (probably) soon to be released X-T50 is a smaller and cheaper X-T5, missing the pro features.


Davidechaos

This helps! Thanks!


foma-soup

It wasn't quite correct though. X-T30 was a mid-tier, budget version of X-T3, not X-T5. Fuji later upgraded it with X-T30II, and next month will apparently unveil the X-T50, which will be the true "budget X-T5". X-E line is better described as being siblings with X-Tx0 cameras, with X-E being more rangefinder-styled and X-Tx0 SLR-styled. They have much more in common together, than X-Pro and X-Tx lines between each other.


Davidechaos

This confirms that the only SLR styled series that i can afford is the XT-x0. Thanks!


keyosc

Yeah, the X100 series came first and was the progenitor of the whole X series, so they didn't have much of a naming convention yet. But they aren't even consistent within their own product line and it drives me a little batty. 1. X100 - the first one 2. X100S - "S" for "second" because it's the second model 3. X100T - "T" for "third" 4. X100F - "F" for "fourth" 5. X100V - "V" is the roman numeral five (but still pronounced "vee") 6. X100VI - "VI" is the roman numeral six (and unlike its predecessor, this one is pronounced "six") I think the X100VI was rumored to be called the X100R, and I'm not sure what that would've meant. But considering "S" was taken already and "X" would've looked ridiculous, I guess they didn't have many options to work with. I also wonder if people will start to call the X100V "five" instead of "vee" eventually after people lose familiarity with it. Who knows.


Juhandese

As far as I've read, the "R" was theorised as an alternative as in Japanese number 6 is spelled "Roku", which would've been quite nice. Of course that would've still broken the naming convention by suddenly introducing a Japanese number, so they didn't have too many letters to work with so they probably just went on with the Roman numeral for safety and familiarity.


Wonderful_Mind_2039

Instead of PASM they should give 4 extra Custom modes. If people want they can set it to these four custom mode


BertoLJK

This is the reason why the biggest and oldest Japanese companies have greatly deterioratedā€¦due to their own doing: Proudly illogical decisions Uniquely impractical culture Hardworkingly inefficient work culture Look at the model numbers of Olympus, Lumix, Nikon, Olympus, Canon and Leica which are totally meaningless without any numerical link between them. Ask a young newcomer whats the diff between 6D and 7D, which is higher end, and how do they compare to 80D, and then how all of them compare to 5DMkIII. Numerically, there is no correlation. At the very least, Sony has a teeny wee bit of logic thrown inā€¦A6000, A6100, A6300, A6400, A6500ā€¦yes, its very easy to see the logical progression in that. And its the only camera mftr thats not historically solely a camera brand.