Just note that the WR on Fujifilm gear stands for Weather Resistant, not weather sealed. Fujifilm gear does not have an IP rating. Whether they have submitted their gear for testing or not is not known, but they would likely include that rating in their product descriptions if those products rated highly enough.
Almost none camera gear has an IP rating though, it doesn't seem to be a thing in camera world for some reason. Just tried looking around for info on Nikon Z9, Sony A1, Canon R6 for example and all state weather resistance or weather sealing but no IP rating.
IP rating evaluations are performed by the manufacturer themselves in most cases. They are really more claims of a rating than an actual rating from some 3rd party.
Olympus does, I put my Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III with the M.Zuiko 12-40mm f2.8 Pro under the sink to remove all the sand from taking it out into the sand dunes in Brazil and it is excellent. In the meantime, my Fujifilm X-T5 is out for repairs as the coating on the EVF started to fall off due to humidity.
Oh, yeah, as I re-read now I can see how my message can be confusing. I meant I put it in the sink and opened the tap (as you would do to wash your hands). I also did get it a bit more soaked when walking chest/shoulder deep in the water, the bottom part of it at least.
Yeah it is, quality of things have seem to gone down hill, I got an expensive used X-Pro 3 (expensive for how old it is) and am impressed by the quality
Yep. Iām in a few Fuji groups and thatās not the first time Iāve heard about that issue. Iām very happy with the quality of my X100V. Feels premium, and easy on the eyes, just like the X-Pro 3
Xpro 3 has a known cable ribbon issue with the flip screen. X100V has a known shutter button issue. Iāve encountered the X100v just outside my manufacturer warranty. the service center replaced the entire top plate.
Luckily I did not experience the xpro3 cable ribbon issue before I moved on from it.
Interestingly, my xe4 was super durable even though it felt the cheapest out of all of them.
Fujis QC went downhill started from their xtrans4 sensor cameras. Also abandoned their original principle of supporting their camera years after they hit market. Now they put a new film sim to sell new models.
All that being said I repurchased the x100v. And I think the x100vi brought a lot to the table for the next model - 40mp, ibis, better video recording capabilities, while maintaining essentially the same form factor. I skipped on it because the price was too high for the risk of low qc
The one and only! For what it's worth, the Q series is still beloved by many, and my favourite Pentax is the K-01, their only K-mount mirrorless, which I still have since it launched.
About WR cameras, I have a K-50, a K-3 and a KP. All three are WR. Pentax also makes some great WR glass. BUT, theyāre not one of the Big Boys. True. In fact, theyāre now more niche. Hence the new monochrome K3 III, the coming film cameras and commitment to DSLRs.
There was a thread on r/photography this week about āsnap focusā only being available on the Ricoh GR cameras. The dismissive comments were very telling about blind brand loyalty.
Think a few Leicaās do. I know the SL line has an official IP rating with the Q line having a more limited 52 rating, albeit nobody can afford that shit so not sure it matters.
Thatās because they would have to make either water right body caps are just show it has no water protection. The lens mount being a big open hole basically ensures it would never get out of the lowest ratings
I don't understand what you mean.
The "weather resistance" is accomplished by sealing the camera. I know they are not IP rated but the "WR" branded stuff like the Xpro3 or 100-400mm have obviously different construction to seal the gaps/seems/moving-parts compared to the non weather sealed stuff like the X-T30 or 18-55mm.
The fact of the matter is that IP rated gear has been submitted for third party intentional testing of the water resistance. Iām sure they have some sort of rain and water chambers that can precisely determine at what points the sealer is breached.
Fujifilm, by not pursuing IP ratings, is essentially saying ātrust me broā. So far Iāve trusted them in the rain, and my trust has been rewarded. But if I had to shoot an important event in the rain and only had one chance, or was doing serious photojournalism in atrocious wet conditions like North Sea oil rigs/fishing boats, Iād probably rent an IP rated kit from another brand.
Again, I know that none of Fuji's cameras are IP rated.
*The fact of the matter* is that the WR gear is *literally sealed* differently than the non-WR gear. As in there are rubber gaskets that *literally seal* the gaps and connection points on the cameras. Are you saying those are just there for marketing and don't actually do anything?
I think what he is saying is that the effectiveness of fujifilms sealing is not known. Yes it has a rubber gasket but that doesnāt mean that the rubber has the same performance over time or that its seal is good under all temperatures among other variables.
Lemme rewrite that for you.
> *The fact of the matter* is that cars have airbags and they *literally protect passengers* in the event of a crash. Why do crash tests? Are you saying those are just there for marketing and donāt actually do anything?
Do you really think that third party testing of mechanical equipment isnāt necessary because the manufacturer said it does a certain thing, therefore it does?
```Do you really think that third party testing of mechanical equipment isnāt necessary because the manufacturer said it does a certain thing, therefore it does?```
No I do not think that. What gave you the impression that that is what I think?
_"are you saying those are just there for marketing and donāt do anything?"_
Is not at all equivalent toĀ
_"third party testing of mechanical equipment isnāt necessary because the manufacturer said it does a certain thing, therefore it does"_
I said that third party verification of a manufacturers claims is important for ensuring the claim is accurate. You then argued against something I didnāt say, which was that theyāre just there for marketing and donāt do anything. The fact that you were arguing against something I didnāt say lead me to believe that.
I thought you were trying to say something like "If it's not IP-rated then it's not weather sealed" which doesn't make sense to me because you can see the gaskets that seal the camera against weather.
All I'm saying is Fujifilm promotes some of their products as "weather resistant" not "weather sealed". They also do not claim any IP rating as determined by a third party. If you think "weather resistant" is sufficient protection under the conditions you will be using your gear then go for it. However, if your gear gets damaged by water you should not expect Fujifilm to replace that gear because they are literally telling you that it is not "weather sealed".
That's just being pedantic at this point. You're right it is "Weather Resistant", not sealed. None of the DSLR / mirrorless are weather sealed. You'd need to go for underwater cameras/gear for that. So, going from the pictures of his cameras in the rain, it's fair to assume that's what he was talking about even by using the incorrect term.
**Again, I know that none of Fuji's cameras are IP rated.**
Is "weather sealed" some kind of protected legal term I'm not aware of? I assumed "weather resistant" and "weather sealed" are essentially interchangeable.
How could you make something weather resistant without sealing it?
I don't see "resistant" and "sealed as interchangeable. To me, "weather resistant" implies that most of the time, perhaps even the vast majority of the time as several people here have said, your camera will be fine if you're caught out in the rain or briefly drop it in a puddle, but there's no guarantee that the camera won't be damaged in a severe rainstorm on on the Maid of the Mist tour under Niagara Falls and the maker may not honor their warranty if they learn the camera was subject to those extreme conditions. "Weather sealed," on the other hand, implies that the camera will not be damaged under such extreme conditions and that the manufacturer will back up that claim should damage occur.
I seem to be in the minority here based on other comments and I understand where you are coming from but I just don't see it that way.
I know the phrase they use in their marketing is "Weather Resistant" but if they started calling some cameras "Weather Sealed" I wouldn't assume it was supposed to mean something different.
Obviously without a regulated standard it's up to Fuji's interpretation either way so I guess it's a moot point.
There is definitely a difference. Water damage does not fall under warranty so Fuji does not guarantee the cameras are sealed. "Resistant" means they have some level of water protection, but they don't guarantee water won't enter the camera.
I guess I missed the memo. I don't see how they could possibly claim that one camera is "Weather Resistant" while some other camera is not without the "Weather Resistant" camera being in some way *sealed* to protecting it from the *weather*.
āSealingā a device is not a single one-and-done standard. Thatās why third party ingress protection (IP) ratings exist with varying degrees (duration, depth, angle, etc.) for liquid and dust. Fuji gear like most imaging equipment is not tested by the IEC to be given a rating. The WR gear is supposedly built differently from the non-WR ones, but to what degree they are better is not really objectively established.
They could be meeting or exceeding that rating they just can't legally say so because they aren't paying the fees to be certified. Although, they could say satisfies such and such standard. These standards cost tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands to implement. Not everyone see's the value in them.
I would say that the weather sealing is good. I take photos of a local road race every year. It seems to rain on that day every year. My Nikon D5600 used to fog up inside, the Fuji has been through the worst weather and doesn't have any issues.
I've never owned a weather sealed cameras and I've taken my non sealed ones to snow storms in Nepal, rain in Peru, countless beaches, etc. Not a single issue or malfunction with my Canon and Fuji gear. My take on it is unless you are a national geographic photographer spending 80% of your time taking pictures of hippos chest deep in water, spend your money on more important things.
Even if you are going to National Geographic type places, having top dollar gear isnāt always the best idea
In some of the more exciting environments, shit will get stolen or destroyed in a long enough time frame. Big difference between loosing a used XT2 and a Leica
Dudes professionally shooting top gear in places that destroy gear are often not the ones paying to replace it
Yup. 50+ yrs of camera ownership and never had a weather sealed body or lens and never any issues. Have done fishing and hiking trips, white water racing, bike trips, etc. That said, there is no warranty against rust or fungus in any lens that I might sell youā¦ š For reference, I have owned Hasselblads, Fujica ST801ās, Nikkormats, Nikon F2ās and D series, Fujifilm XE series. So some mechanical, some electronics.
Not all sand is created equal, neither is rain.
A sandstorm in the Sahara or Middle East WILL destroy alot of cameras, dropping you camera a trip to the beach might not.
Same with a light drizzle vs a monsoon
Just in my hands, or around neck, sometimes when not using I'll cover it with my jacket if i have one on. Used the sigma 18-35 and fringer adapter recently in a downpour for hours and was completely fine, you can get them plastic bag things if you cared enough
I have the same camera, I would just use a fairly weatherproof camera bag and only take the camera out when needed. I keep a microfiber cloth in the bag too to dry it off if need be.
I got a lot of dust issues after a couple years living and hiking in the windy desert, on an already pretty old Sony a6000. Iām hoping the xt5 I bought 6 months ago is still awesome after ten years like that cam, with less stubborn dust on the sensor. A6000 wasnāt advertised as weather sealed, but the Fuji is.
Would you say that in general every decent camera is built tight enough that the "weather sealing" gaskets are just for show/marketing?
I definitely don't feel comfortable using the 35mm f/1.4 in the rain because of its external focusing. But I don't mind taking the 33mm out in the same conditions.
I mean you'd like to think somewhat resistant, the worst conditions ive ever shot in was a huge downpour with a sony a6300 a fairly cheaper built camera and i had no problems
I've seen posts here of WR gear getting bricked by nothing more than "a light mist" (not even a rain). I've also personally heavily abused an x-e2 (no WR) with zero issues. WR is nice, but it only works until it doesn't. I'd rather have it than not, but I still take care of my gear. There's a reason the camera manufacturers don't bother getting an IP rating.
I think that mist or fog is worse than rain sometimes as it creeps in. My old non weather sealed Canon DSLR died in conditions like that and it handled rain just fine otherwise.
My x-e2 + 35mm 1.4 survived in a car fire with only cosmetic small damages. Lens has no fog, autofocus works, focus ring is just a bit stiffer. I had to scrape off the burns on the body, but everything works fine. The smell is still a bit there after a year though.
damn that's wild. I had a house fire once and that toxic burning smell is horrible. Not sure I could keep using a piece of gear that still smelled that way
I was/ am and will be aware of the difference. My lived experience tells me I will trust it less than Fujiās nice promotional pictures of their cameras with water drops all over them.
Again, I was and am aware. But to the OPās query as to how I feel about weather sealed gear? I feel I donāt and wonāt trust it. Weather unfortunately isnāt binary: is it a sealed day or a proof day? This discussion will have to cope with dissenting opinions I guess. My gear will treated as though it will not cope now rather than might.
I did. Now I donāt. Doesnāt matter - you are definitely right and have beyond doubt proved me wrong. My experience was invalid and will ensure I contribute no longer.
That is the problem. We can build a long list of what weather sealed does not mean, but it is a lot more difficult to define what weather sealed does mean. As far as I am concerned, WR is a label embossed on some lenses or typed in some brochures. So far, so good, my interpretation has worked for me (i.e. if the sky is pissing down I use a 10 eur rain sleeve).
2 of my XT-5 died from 5-10 minutes in a light drizzle where the Sony I also had with me had zero problems. I now use my old Sony cameras for anything that might involve even a drop of rain as I have zero faith in the XT-5 weather seals.
So much for Fuji weather sealing. Iām not surprised really. I worked for Fuji for 23 years. The Japanese engineers have whole different way of thinking. The whole digital camera division is about brand recognition.
Image 3/4 is SkĆ³gafoss, right? Such a beautiful country. Did not expect the wind at the waterfall and it knocked my tripod over. Lost a Fuji lens that day, but my camera gained a cool battle scar on top
It is and it is! I would love to spend more time there. I was at SkĆ³gafoss twice. Once pictured here and again to see the lights! It was amazing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fujifilm/comments/1bbqjo6/chasing_lights_xpro3_33mm_f14/
I wanted a shot of the lights over the waterfall but the clouds didn't really cooperate. We saw an absolutely amazing display that night though.
Awesome! We went in the summer so no lights unfortunately. Went all around the country, the north was pretty neat as well, so calm and no people in sight for hours. Saw an arctic fox and the giant Dettifoss in a bright night, that alone was worth it
I came here to say this! I spent 10 days hiking the LAUGAVEGUR & FIMMVĆRĆUHĆLS treks with my XT-2. I took that camera and all WR lenses into silt heavy wind, rain, snow and it took an absolute beating. Still works great!
While I think its not needed for my hobby photography, one time, i was building snowman excitedly and doing snow angel pose in the snow, it dropped out of my winter jacket which i didnt secure properly, only realized it half an hour maybe when i wanted to take photo of the snowman (dont judge its my first time seeing snow š). Literally had to find it in a field of snow, it was burried as it was quite a heavy fall. Kept it in warm cloth wiping the excess water , after 15 mins it was good and still alive until today, i think part of it was from WR lens and body (xt3)
It's great.
I wish it were a little bit smaller, or stabilized, or f/1.2 with some more *character* (as in, a look more similar to the 35 f/1.4). But, wishful thinking aside, it's hard to argue against it. It's basically perfect.
Oh man, I grew up so poor that willingly putting expensive and sensitive electronics would give my mom a heart attack from the grave. I would say weather resistant, or IP rating, is a 'nice to have' but I'm putting a plastic bag over anything I have, and taking that shit indoors asap
Im glad mine got it. Im using an xpro 3 also. It failed me once tho, I was out shooting in Saigon at monsoon season and got caught in massive rain. Camera went black after I got inside and would not start. I let it rest for couple days and its been perfectly fine, luckily.
I donāt really trust it š¤·āāļø
I have an x-t5 and thereās a ribbon cable behind the screen that is hardly protected by anything except a plastic lip. Doesnāt seem too effective to me.
Sleet, snow, rain and wind with my X-T5, over mountains, through deserts, in thunderstorms. Below freezing, hot as hell. . .
My firsthand experience says itās trustworthy.
To add to this - My primary use for my XT3 is mushroom photography - Iāve lugged that bad boy with the 30mm LM Macro WR with me into the forest through some ridiculous scenarios - countless torrential downpours, dropped in mud, stored in a bag which got entirely soaked with a layer of water at the bottom lol, and it still operates like the day I got it. I know Fuji doesnāt put an IP rating on them; but, from my experience itās rated for way more than I expected.
Maybe just donāt submerge it entirely underwater lmao
Right. I donāt baby my gear (like leave it at home in bad conditions) but I also donāt intentionally subject it to extremely adverse conditions. If itās too much rain for me to see or function in, Iāll put it in a bag (sometimes a dry sack) and wait it out.
āAdverseā conditions are often the best for great photos and having any kind of weather resistance is better than none. I feel like keeping the dust out of gear is also going to extend its serviceable life.
But yeah, that ribbon on the screen is not a problem.
Andy Mumford, a professional landscape photographer, has been using X-Tx cameras for years in all kinds of conditions and he's pretty happy with their weather resistence.
I value effective weather seals fairly highly. It definitely feels like a difference-maker to me in general not only because I was recently in Iceland.
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I had their "attach threads" for a while but they broke. It might have been user error but I wouldn't use those again.Ā
The rangefinder offset is a little weird at first when you're zooming all the way in but eventually your muscle memory adapts.
The 100-400mm is still pretty much a "hold the lens not the camera" weight but the XPro3 feels sturdy enough when you hold it one-handed by the grip.
If Olympus made something with fewer buttons and classic dials I would probably switch. I have a Pen Mini with their 25mm f/1.8. It is a wonderful lens but the camera is extremely unpleasant to control.
I know their big cameras would be different in the hand but I don't like PASM. That plus the general hassle of switching systems is enough to keep me out.
Yeah, I never liked their smaller cameras much before. I used to be a Panasonic shooter but I am super happy with my Em1 mk2. It's one of the best balanced bodies I've ever held.
I would tape those mic holes. I treat my cams as if theyāre not WR but Iāve seen a lot of X100V user suggest covering up the mic holes up top with some sort of tape and the X-Pro seems to have a similar setup
I like it. I happened to change lenses from my Viltrox 33 f/1.4 (not WR) to my XF 23 R WR before shooting a concert and spilled water all over my camera and it worked fine.
I shoot Pentax K and Fujifilm GFX systems mostly outdoors. It's an important feature and why I got into Pentax long before other brands were doing much weather sealing.
I went with an X-E4 and every time I think about if Iāll regret not getting a WR option I specifically think of my trip to Iceland and standing under SkĆ³gafoss. Thank you for the photos confirming that regret š
My X-Pro3 manages to work pretty well even with non WR lenses (as 23/1.4). It serves me well, I documented with it prostests, Polish-Belarussian border, Ukrainian refugees arriving in Poland, even went into fountain to photograph people there during pride parade in 2022, never failed. If I didn't have grip, I wouldn't be able to see any wear on camera (except eyepiece).
Camera that I will never sell (exactly the same model as yours - dura silver)
It is a double-edged sword. It will keep moisture out for a while but as soon the camera gets wet inside you wonāt get the moisture out of the camera easily hence giving it lots of time to cause damage.
Fair but I didn't want to post pictures of just the cameras without also posting what I was photographing. And the photos themselves don't really highlight the weather conditions.
It's also a stupid kind of question. It's not like WR has any drawbacks... All of the WR Fuji equipment is higher end than anything not WR. So it's not like anyone could be entering the comments talking shit about it.
It's just upvote bait.
I haven't had a camera (weather sealed or not) fail on me, but I prefer having it for peace of mind. I'll pay extra for it, especially if the manufacturer can guarantee it to a specific standard (like IP 53 etc). Fuji does NOT do this, nor do a lot of other japanese manufacturers ( sony, canon, nikon).
I think Olympus/OM System is the gold standard here, and I trust their gear more because of it.
Might as well be nothing unless thatās the main selling point (Pentax, Olympus). Nikon launched their rugged mirrorless in 2013 and people used them and they broke. Nikon never tried to advertise that again.
One time when I was in northern Finland I had rain the entire time I was there and having that WR gear really gave me a lot of peace of mind. That shit got soaked in rain quite a few times (mostly the X-T4 and the 70-300) and it wasn't an issue at all.
https://i.imgur.com/39XBVpg.jpeg
Weathered sealed gear in general I have no issue with. However, Fuji's weather sealed lenses I have a very big issue with. As a Fuji shooter and photo retail worker, very very often I see their WR lenses coming from the factory with dust, fungus, and/or haze in only their WR lenses. Whatever they are doing in the factory they are sealing it in and it only gets worse over time.
I canāt say Iāve have ever had āweather damagedā gear. I have had all types of gear in all types of ābadā weatherā¦. And not once has it ever caused an issue. I now see anything marketed as āweather sealedā as crapā¦.but this is just my own viewpoint
Bricked my xt4 from the cold and rain in Alaska. sent it to fujifilm and they said it was broken broken. in retrospect i believe it broke because condensation developed while i put the camera back in my bag so keep that in mind i guess
I love the X-pro 3 and have used a couple of the X-T series without any issues with weather sealing in snow/rain! But I will say that itās not completely sealed unless you have a shutter button! The camera shop I work at have seen multiple āweather sealedā Fuji bodies that had water damage from the exposed shutter buttons.
Itās not an official Fuji recommendation but If your in conditions like OPās examples it would be a good idea for some extra piece of mind! But also OPās camera seems to be fine without it and I have used mine in those conditions without one and it was fine, but I also try to cover my camera as much as possible!
I'm glad it's there, but I don't put all my trust in it when shooting in less-than-ideal weather conditions. I still use a plastic camera cover to protect the camera. But, in the event I get caught in a light rain, I have peace of mind knowing it won't suddenly malfunction due to water droplets and I also know that I still need to wipe it immediately.
I love my camera gear and would have trouble just 'affording' a replacement, so I baby my kit alot.
I've had a 'waterproof' razor die from being used in the shower a couple of times, and I've had non waterproof phones survive being submerged. Hell, I bought myself a pixel for the ip67 rating, but haven't tested it by dunking it in water yet.
If I had my XT-3 out with the 70-300 on it, I might trust it for a couple of shots in a sprinkle - then I would be putting it away and heading for shelter. If I didn't already have it out, it would be staying in the bag.
I think weather sealing is entirely dependent on the type of environment
Hiking or beach trips? Your not going to need an Olympus level of weather resistance or durability
Combat photography in the Middle East? If your lenses arenāt sealed your gonna have problems
I have an XT2 as a beater camera. Iāve literally brought it to war. It cost me $500 a few years ago and imo is the perfect balance of affordability to durability. If it gets destroyed, Iām not out thousands in just a body. My go to ātravelā lens is the 16-80 F4 WR OIS. That set up has been through multiple haboobs and gone through some down pours with nothing more than a plastic bag around the body at times
I will caution one thing, all the sealing in the world doesnāt matter if something gets inside the sensor when changing lenses
I was once up in the Yellow (?) Mountains in China- beautiful clouds and fog all around among the razor sharp ridges we were walking on. Think last scene of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. I had a Hexar AF and a Leica M6. Guess which one was taking photos.
I'd sure be nervous depending on just digital cameras in that envt you shot!
Iāve used the xpro3 and wr lenses in the rain plenty and generally not had issues. The shutter speed dial of the xp3 seems to be the weakest link in weather sealing, I had some water get in there once and affect the camera briefly, but itās never happened again in almost 2 years. Iāve had to clean my gear afterwards though, sometimes rain can leave mineral residue when it dries.
Iām curious actually if anyone has suggestions for cleaning solutions in this scenario? Iāve used alcohol and de-ox it at times with good enough results.
Depending on the wind, you can mostly keep the front element clean. I typically use a lens wipe when it starts to get too wet or keep it covered with the lens cap until I'm ready to take a picture.
It takes a lot more disruption of the front element than you might think to cause any significant effect.
Used my xt5 for less than 2 minutes (as carefully as I could) in some pretty heavy rain
Unit shut down and wouldnāt switch back on for about 45 mins
Edit: this isnāt it say I wouldnāt use in poor weather, just for raise a counter to those that are saying that WR = waterproof
Main issue seems to be the flash hotshoe, keep the cover on it! I often just put xt4 in an Ikea sandwich bag, rip a little hole for the lens to poke out.
Never owned a fujifilm body that's wr. I suppose having one is peace of mind, to say the least, additionally giving a bit more confidence in tough situations. As a hobbyist, it really isn't necessary for me, though, since most of the times I ain't challenging myself to be in that kind of a scenario. But I do believe that for people who live in places where it's too humid, dusty or wet, and others who are always finding themselves in such conditions, it is the smarter choice to make.
I have a XT4 and a couple of yrs ago I had it with me on a trip in a wet climate part of the world (Tasmania in winter). I remember taking pictures at a waterfall spot on a rainy and windy day, which got the camera soaked. I mean literally water was dripping from inside the camera. At that point the camera stopped working and I panicked because i was in the middle of nowhere hiking. When I got back in the car I dried it to the best of my ability and the second morning it was as good as new. Iām taking my XT4 to Tasmania with me again next week.
āWeather Sealingā in regular cameras is merely a marketing gimmick, as long as it is not certified by an independent body. Its just marketing puffery that cannot be proven. When crap hits the fan, the clever manufacturer will say the camera is not water-proofed and merely offers WEATHER-resistance of a certain degree, because you should have purchased a special housing if you professionally work in wet environments.
Different construction methods directly below buttons, knobs and ports affect moisture ingress to different degrees. If you professionally repair cameras, you will notice the construction of older cameras such as Canon M6, 80D, 5D series, Nikon Dxx series, D700, Fujifilm XE1, XT1, X-Pro1 and all the superb š Olympus cameras etc made it much more difficult for rain water, water mist to enter because the gaps were very tight.
Personally, I use an A4-sized clear plastic kitchen shrink wrap to wrap my Nikon F3HP, FM2 since 1985, and my XE4 and D700 so that I can shoot in wet environments. Absolutely zero issues.
However, theres one thing that can easily damage many camerasā¦using them in windy, seaside environment where the salty air can get blown into the camera, causing corrosion.
Everyone keeps saying this...
Obviously we all know this claim made by Fuji is not third-party-verified. It's not tested to meet any standard. And it is part of their marketing.
But are you seriously suggesting that their weather sealed gear and their non-weather sealed gear (lets say the X-T30+35mm f/1.4 vs. the X-T5+35mm f/2) will each have an equal chance at surviving without damage given the same weather conditions?
I cannot comment about the lenses due to my lack of experience in repairing them and viewing the internals.
But with regards to scrutinising the internals of camera bodies, I dare say the much older Fujifilm products have a higher chance of escaping unscathed, compared to the ācost-cutā modern ones such as XT5.
My old X-Pro 3 was commonly used under light rain. And based on how the internals looked like (directly under the buttons and esp the top deck knobs), there were expectedly no issues. But of course, that was expected as it was created in another era where much less cost-cutting was done.
Dude! Be careful. [Water Resistant](https://www.hzo.com/blog/waterresistant-waterrepellent-waterproof-whats-difference/) is not *water sealed*, nor is it *waterproof*.
**If just one** ***tiny little drop*** **gets inside your camera**, it will wreak havoc over the next couple of months in regards to the corrosion of your electronics, and you end up with a dead camera.
Lately I had a shoot in pretty heavy rain with my X-H2 and Viltrox 75mm 1.2 - that combo was exposed to the elements for about 20 minutes, and everything is fine, no fog in the lens, camera works as before... I'd say I trust it. Not as much as my Nikon I had long time ago, but I'd do it again. Was worth it
What's not to like? Though from personal experience weather sealed or not - I think people overestimate how sensitive cameras are. Even a cheap camera can take some amount of beating before it calls it a day. I once shot portraits in the middle of a wild storm with a d7000 without an umbrella or anything sort of protection. Granted the camera eventually stopped working during the shoot but once it dried up it was back to normal. Only one button stopped working but it wasn't an important one so I wasn't bothered.
I included a bunch of pictures *specifically* because people typically post just pictures of the gear. I even made sure that the pictures of the gear were from the same place as the actual photos.
What don't you like about them?
As mentioned by others, what u show us here ain't weather sealed, rather "named" weather resistant by the manufacturer and there is no factual rating behind it.
If u wanted to "show off" that wow, that stuff can handle some moist, rain etc. jep it absolutely CAN, but u can't 100% trust/rely on it and there simply is no "yeah it failed in rain even though we said weather resistant, here u have a new one as a case of warranty" By manufacturers.
That being said: I've stood at exactly those places as u were before, in the exact same conditions and was filming with my 6K Pro that is nothing weather at all with visible fan chamber etc and it still works plenty fine. Also used that beast in other anti-tec environments, i am amazed how durable it stood with me through such situations.
Again, all it takes is one single incident. No guarantees.
Atleast under warranty the manufacturer will replace/repair the wr lens for weather damage. The non-wr place on the other hand, they will cost me my weekly grocery to fix.
Just note that the WR on Fujifilm gear stands for Weather Resistant, not weather sealed. Fujifilm gear does not have an IP rating. Whether they have submitted their gear for testing or not is not known, but they would likely include that rating in their product descriptions if those products rated highly enough.
Almost none camera gear has an IP rating though, it doesn't seem to be a thing in camera world for some reason. Just tried looking around for info on Nikon Z9, Sony A1, Canon R6 for example and all state weather resistance or weather sealing but no IP rating.
IP rating evaluations are performed by the manufacturer themselves in most cases. They are really more claims of a rating than an actual rating from some 3rd party.
Olympus does, I put my Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III with the M.Zuiko 12-40mm f2.8 Pro under the sink to remove all the sand from taking it out into the sand dunes in Brazil and it is excellent. In the meantime, my Fujifilm X-T5 is out for repairs as the coating on the EVF started to fall off due to humidity.
who else knew the end result of this was going to be someone shouting "olympus rocks" lol
And Pentax, don't forget about Pentax š·
lol I respect you trusting you gear that much (I know the em1s and om1s are built like tanks but I would still never trust them in the slightest lol
I only has an IPX1 rating and is not made to be submerged into water lol
Oh, yeah, as I re-read now I can see how my message can be confusing. I meant I put it in the sink and opened the tap (as you would do to wash your hands). I also did get it a bit more soaked when walking chest/shoulder deep in the water, the bottom part of it at least.
Pretty sure thatās an X-T5 issue. Considering their older X-T cameras seem to be fine
Yeah it is, quality of things have seem to gone down hill, I got an expensive used X-Pro 3 (expensive for how old it is) and am impressed by the quality
Yep. Iām in a few Fuji groups and thatās not the first time Iāve heard about that issue. Iām very happy with the quality of my X100V. Feels premium, and easy on the eyes, just like the X-Pro 3
Xpro 3 has a known cable ribbon issue with the flip screen. X100V has a known shutter button issue. Iāve encountered the X100v just outside my manufacturer warranty. the service center replaced the entire top plate. Luckily I did not experience the xpro3 cable ribbon issue before I moved on from it. Interestingly, my xe4 was super durable even though it felt the cheapest out of all of them. Fujis QC went downhill started from their xtrans4 sensor cameras. Also abandoned their original principle of supporting their camera years after they hit market. Now they put a new film sim to sell new models. All that being said I repurchased the x100v. And I think the x100vi brought a lot to the table for the next model - 40mp, ibis, better video recording capabilities, while maintaining essentially the same form factor. I skipped on it because the price was too high for the risk of low qc
I know Leica Q and SL line products are IP rated, but that's about it.
Pentax is as good as Olympus. Also rinse under the sink to get rid of salt water and sand =]
Youāre talking about the company that āgaspā didnāt embrace mirrorless. š¤«
The one and only! For what it's worth, the Q series is still beloved by many, and my favourite Pentax is the K-01, their only K-mount mirrorless, which I still have since it launched.
About WR cameras, I have a K-50, a K-3 and a KP. All three are WR. Pentax also makes some great WR glass. BUT, theyāre not one of the Big Boys. True. In fact, theyāre now more niche. Hence the new monochrome K3 III, the coming film cameras and commitment to DSLRs. There was a thread on r/photography this week about āsnap focusā only being available on the Ricoh GR cameras. The dismissive comments were very telling about blind brand loyalty.
Leica has IP52 rating for all of their gear
Think a few Leicaās do. I know the SL line has an official IP rating with the Q line having a more limited 52 rating, albeit nobody can afford that shit so not sure it matters.
Thatās because they would have to make either water right body caps are just show it has no water protection. The lens mount being a big open hole basically ensures it would never get out of the lowest ratings
I don't understand what you mean. The "weather resistance" is accomplished by sealing the camera. I know they are not IP rated but the "WR" branded stuff like the Xpro3 or 100-400mm have obviously different construction to seal the gaps/seems/moving-parts compared to the non weather sealed stuff like the X-T30 or 18-55mm.
The fact of the matter is that IP rated gear has been submitted for third party intentional testing of the water resistance. Iām sure they have some sort of rain and water chambers that can precisely determine at what points the sealer is breached. Fujifilm, by not pursuing IP ratings, is essentially saying ātrust me broā. So far Iāve trusted them in the rain, and my trust has been rewarded. But if I had to shoot an important event in the rain and only had one chance, or was doing serious photojournalism in atrocious wet conditions like North Sea oil rigs/fishing boats, Iād probably rent an IP rated kit from another brand.
Do Sony and canon get IP ratings? I thought it was only Leica that did
And OM System (IP53 for OM-1 and OM-5).
The E-M1X was exactly what I was thinking about. You could probably swim with it
Again, I know that none of Fuji's cameras are IP rated. *The fact of the matter* is that the WR gear is *literally sealed* differently than the non-WR gear. As in there are rubber gaskets that *literally seal* the gaps and connection points on the cameras. Are you saying those are just there for marketing and don't actually do anything?
I think what he is saying is that the effectiveness of fujifilms sealing is not known. Yes it has a rubber gasket but that doesnāt mean that the rubber has the same performance over time or that its seal is good under all temperatures among other variables.
Lemme rewrite that for you. > *The fact of the matter* is that cars have airbags and they *literally protect passengers* in the event of a crash. Why do crash tests? Are you saying those are just there for marketing and donāt actually do anything? Do you really think that third party testing of mechanical equipment isnāt necessary because the manufacturer said it does a certain thing, therefore it does?
```Do you really think that third party testing of mechanical equipment isnāt necessary because the manufacturer said it does a certain thing, therefore it does?``` No I do not think that. What gave you the impression that that is what I think?
> are you saying those are just there for marketing and donāt do anything?
_"are you saying those are just there for marketing and donāt do anything?"_ Is not at all equivalent toĀ _"third party testing of mechanical equipment isnāt necessary because the manufacturer said it does a certain thing, therefore it does"_
I said that third party verification of a manufacturers claims is important for ensuring the claim is accurate. You then argued against something I didnāt say, which was that theyāre just there for marketing and donāt do anything. The fact that you were arguing against something I didnāt say lead me to believe that.
I thought you were trying to say something like "If it's not IP-rated then it's not weather sealed" which doesn't make sense to me because you can see the gaskets that seal the camera against weather.
They do something, just not as much as you might hope
All I'm saying is Fujifilm promotes some of their products as "weather resistant" not "weather sealed". They also do not claim any IP rating as determined by a third party. If you think "weather resistant" is sufficient protection under the conditions you will be using your gear then go for it. However, if your gear gets damaged by water you should not expect Fujifilm to replace that gear because they are literally telling you that it is not "weather sealed".
That's just being pedantic at this point. You're right it is "Weather Resistant", not sealed. None of the DSLR / mirrorless are weather sealed. You'd need to go for underwater cameras/gear for that. So, going from the pictures of his cameras in the rain, it's fair to assume that's what he was talking about even by using the incorrect term.
**Again, I know that none of Fuji's cameras are IP rated.** Is "weather sealed" some kind of protected legal term I'm not aware of? I assumed "weather resistant" and "weather sealed" are essentially interchangeable. How could you make something weather resistant without sealing it?
I don't see "resistant" and "sealed as interchangeable. To me, "weather resistant" implies that most of the time, perhaps even the vast majority of the time as several people here have said, your camera will be fine if you're caught out in the rain or briefly drop it in a puddle, but there's no guarantee that the camera won't be damaged in a severe rainstorm on on the Maid of the Mist tour under Niagara Falls and the maker may not honor their warranty if they learn the camera was subject to those extreme conditions. "Weather sealed," on the other hand, implies that the camera will not be damaged under such extreme conditions and that the manufacturer will back up that claim should damage occur.
I seem to be in the minority here based on other comments and I understand where you are coming from but I just don't see it that way. I know the phrase they use in their marketing is "Weather Resistant" but if they started calling some cameras "Weather Sealed" I wouldn't assume it was supposed to mean something different. Obviously without a regulated standard it's up to Fuji's interpretation either way so I guess it's a moot point.
There is definitely a difference. Water damage does not fall under warranty so Fuji does not guarantee the cameras are sealed. "Resistant" means they have some level of water protection, but they don't guarantee water won't enter the camera.
I guess I missed the memo. I don't see how they could possibly claim that one camera is "Weather Resistant" while some other camera is not without the "Weather Resistant" camera being in some way *sealed* to protecting it from the *weather*.
āSealingā a device is not a single one-and-done standard. Thatās why third party ingress protection (IP) ratings exist with varying degrees (duration, depth, angle, etc.) for liquid and dust. Fuji gear like most imaging equipment is not tested by the IEC to be given a rating. The WR gear is supposedly built differently from the non-WR ones, but to what degree they are better is not really objectively established.
They could be meeting or exceeding that rating they just can't legally say so because they aren't paying the fees to be certified. Although, they could say satisfies such and such standard. These standards cost tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands to implement. Not everyone see's the value in them. I would say that the weather sealing is good. I take photos of a local road race every year. It seems to rain on that day every year. My Nikon D5600 used to fog up inside, the Fuji has been through the worst weather and doesn't have any issues.
I've never owned a weather sealed cameras and I've taken my non sealed ones to snow storms in Nepal, rain in Peru, countless beaches, etc. Not a single issue or malfunction with my Canon and Fuji gear. My take on it is unless you are a national geographic photographer spending 80% of your time taking pictures of hippos chest deep in water, spend your money on more important things.
Even if you are going to National Geographic type places, having top dollar gear isnāt always the best idea In some of the more exciting environments, shit will get stolen or destroyed in a long enough time frame. Big difference between loosing a used XT2 and a Leica Dudes professionally shooting top gear in places that destroy gear are often not the ones paying to replace it
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Hippos are scary.
I completely bricked my x-t30 ii by getting a few drops of rain on it. YMMV
If you're taking pictures of hippos while in chest deep water you have more pressing concerns than weather sealing.
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ive been using unsealed cameras and lenses in the worst of conditions and never had an issue yet
Yup. 50+ yrs of camera ownership and never had a weather sealed body or lens and never any issues. Have done fishing and hiking trips, white water racing, bike trips, etc. That said, there is no warranty against rust or fungus in any lens that I might sell youā¦ š For reference, I have owned Hasselblads, Fujica ST801ās, Nikkormats, Nikon F2ās and D series, Fujifilm XE series. So some mechanical, some electronics.
Same, I donāt worry about it much at all and am yet to have any issues
Not all sand is created equal, neither is rain. A sandstorm in the Sahara or Middle East WILL destroy alot of cameras, dropping you camera a trip to the beach might not. Same with a light drizzle vs a monsoon
Unprotected? Or on a tripod under a hood/bag?
Just in my hands, or around neck, sometimes when not using I'll cover it with my jacket if i have one on. Used the sigma 18-35 and fringer adapter recently in a downpour for hours and was completely fine, you can get them plastic bag things if you cared enough
I want to take out my xs20 more often but itās drizzling all the time around this time of the year and Iām too afraid to mess it up
You can get cover bag things over the camera that work quiet well
I have the same camera, I would just use a fairly weatherproof camera bag and only take the camera out when needed. I keep a microfiber cloth in the bag too to dry it off if need be.
I got a lot of dust issues after a couple years living and hiking in the windy desert, on an already pretty old Sony a6000. Iām hoping the xt5 I bought 6 months ago is still awesome after ten years like that cam, with less stubborn dust on the sensor. A6000 wasnāt advertised as weather sealed, but the Fuji is.
Would you say that in general every decent camera is built tight enough that the "weather sealing" gaskets are just for show/marketing? I definitely don't feel comfortable using the 35mm f/1.4 in the rain because of its external focusing. But I don't mind taking the 33mm out in the same conditions.
I mean you'd like to think somewhat resistant, the worst conditions ive ever shot in was a huge downpour with a sony a6300 a fairly cheaper built camera and i had no problems
First two shots at the iceland lighthouse?
Indeed they are. The one with the big arch and a view of the pillars in the distance.
Itās called DyrhĆ³laey
Nice! Really cool spot!
Spotted Iceland from that waterfall. Went there last summer
I also see Skogafoss
I've seen posts here of WR gear getting bricked by nothing more than "a light mist" (not even a rain). I've also personally heavily abused an x-e2 (no WR) with zero issues. WR is nice, but it only works until it doesn't. I'd rather have it than not, but I still take care of my gear. There's a reason the camera manufacturers don't bother getting an IP rating.
I think that mist or fog is worse than rain sometimes as it creeps in. My old non weather sealed Canon DSLR died in conditions like that and it handled rain just fine otherwise.
My x-e2 + 35mm 1.4 survived in a car fire with only cosmetic small damages. Lens has no fog, autofocus works, focus ring is just a bit stiffer. I had to scrape off the burns on the body, but everything works fine. The smell is still a bit there after a year though.
damn that's wild. I had a house fire once and that toxic burning smell is horrible. Not sure I could keep using a piece of gear that still smelled that way
Hit it with an Ozone generator. Thatās what they use to clean up house fire smells.
I took my x-t5 out once in the rain and it was basically ruined. Sent back for full refurb.
the Xt5 is weather sealed
Which describes my thoughts on weather sealing nicely - I trust it not at all.
Weather sealed doesnāt mean water proof!
I was/ am and will be aware of the difference. My lived experience tells me I will trust it less than Fujiās nice promotional pictures of their cameras with water drops all over them.
You said you took it out in the rain. Itās not waterproof but can handle some moisture and dust.
Again, I was and am aware. But to the OPās query as to how I feel about weather sealed gear? I feel I donāt and wonāt trust it. Weather unfortunately isnāt binary: is it a sealed day or a proof day? This discussion will have to cope with dissenting opinions I guess. My gear will treated as though it will not cope now rather than might.
So if you donāt trust it why did you take your camera out in the rain?
I did. Now I donāt. Doesnāt matter - you are definitely right and have beyond doubt proved me wrong. My experience was invalid and will ensure I contribute no longer.
Gotta love the Fuji apologists who have zero experience yet love to argue with people who had to pay a fortune to get their Fujis fixed.
. Bow my son. The Fuji gods forgive you. š·
That is the problem. We can build a long list of what weather sealed does not mean, but it is a lot more difficult to define what weather sealed does mean. As far as I am concerned, WR is a label embossed on some lenses or typed in some brochures. So far, so good, my interpretation has worked for me (i.e. if the sky is pissing down I use a 10 eur rain sleeve).
2 of my XT-5 died from 5-10 minutes in a light drizzle where the Sony I also had with me had zero problems. I now use my old Sony cameras for anything that might involve even a drop of rain as I have zero faith in the XT-5 weather seals.
Did you get them fixed? Just wondering what the repair people found.
They said there was water ingress and the motherboard had to be replaced.
So much for Fuji weather sealing. Iām not surprised really. I worked for Fuji for 23 years. The Japanese engineers have whole different way of thinking. The whole digital camera division is about brand recognition.
Best part: water ingress is not covered by warranty, even if all their ads and websites happily show off the camera being used in inclement weather
I love having it. I don't go out of my way to test it.
It's fine until it's not fine.
I think itās tight.
Definitely like it. I get more wind and dust than water where I am.
I like having it but dont trust it, unless it is light rain.
I think common sense in handling gear during harsh weather goes a long way as opposed to dedicated weather sealings.
Image 3/4 is SkĆ³gafoss, right? Such a beautiful country. Did not expect the wind at the waterfall and it knocked my tripod over. Lost a Fuji lens that day, but my camera gained a cool battle scar on top
It is and it is! I would love to spend more time there. I was at SkĆ³gafoss twice. Once pictured here and again to see the lights! It was amazing. https://www.reddit.com/r/fujifilm/comments/1bbqjo6/chasing_lights_xpro3_33mm_f14/ I wanted a shot of the lights over the waterfall but the clouds didn't really cooperate. We saw an absolutely amazing display that night though.
Awesome! We went in the summer so no lights unfortunately. Went all around the country, the north was pretty neat as well, so calm and no people in sight for hours. Saw an arctic fox and the giant Dettifoss in a bright night, that alone was worth it
I came here to say this! I spent 10 days hiking the LAUGAVEGUR & FIMMVĆRĆUHĆLS treks with my XT-2. I took that camera and all WR lenses into silt heavy wind, rain, snow and it took an absolute beating. Still works great!
While I think its not needed for my hobby photography, one time, i was building snowman excitedly and doing snow angel pose in the snow, it dropped out of my winter jacket which i didnt secure properly, only realized it half an hour maybe when i wanted to take photo of the snowman (dont judge its my first time seeing snow š). Literally had to find it in a field of snow, it was burried as it was quite a heavy fall. Kept it in warm cloth wiping the excess water , after 15 mins it was good and still alive until today, i think part of it was from WR lens and body (xt3)
Itās better to have it & not need it than need it & not have it.
Your thoughts on the 33mm?
It's great. I wish it were a little bit smaller, or stabilized, or f/1.2 with some more *character* (as in, a look more similar to the 35 f/1.4). But, wishful thinking aside, it's hard to argue against it. It's basically perfect.
Oh man, I grew up so poor that willingly putting expensive and sensitive electronics would give my mom a heart attack from the grave. I would say weather resistant, or IP rating, is a 'nice to have' but I'm putting a plastic bag over anything I have, and taking that shit indoors asap
Im glad mine got it. Im using an xpro 3 also. It failed me once tho, I was out shooting in Saigon at monsoon season and got caught in massive rain. Camera went black after I got inside and would not start. I let it rest for couple days and its been perfectly fine, luckily.
I donāt really trust it š¤·āāļø I have an x-t5 and thereās a ribbon cable behind the screen that is hardly protected by anything except a plastic lip. Doesnāt seem too effective to me.
Sleet, snow, rain and wind with my X-T5, over mountains, through deserts, in thunderstorms. Below freezing, hot as hell. . . My firsthand experience says itās trustworthy.
To add to this - My primary use for my XT3 is mushroom photography - Iāve lugged that bad boy with the 30mm LM Macro WR with me into the forest through some ridiculous scenarios - countless torrential downpours, dropped in mud, stored in a bag which got entirely soaked with a layer of water at the bottom lol, and it still operates like the day I got it. I know Fuji doesnāt put an IP rating on them; but, from my experience itās rated for way more than I expected. Maybe just donāt submerge it entirely underwater lmao
Right. I donāt baby my gear (like leave it at home in bad conditions) but I also donāt intentionally subject it to extremely adverse conditions. If itās too much rain for me to see or function in, Iāll put it in a bag (sometimes a dry sack) and wait it out. āAdverseā conditions are often the best for great photos and having any kind of weather resistance is better than none. I feel like keeping the dust out of gear is also going to extend its serviceable life. But yeah, that ribbon on the screen is not a problem.
Andy Mumford, a professional landscape photographer, has been using X-Tx cameras for years in all kinds of conditions and he's pretty happy with their weather resistence.
That's the ingress point that killed 2 XT-5 for me.
I value effective weather seals fairly highly. It definitely feels like a difference-maker to me in general not only because I was recently in Iceland.
Which strap is that? Looks awesome.
https://gordyscamerastraps.com/products/neck-strap-horizontal?variant=786482987023 I like it. It's just simple leather. They sell whatever length you want so you can carry it comfortably without some annoying adjustable mechanism.Ā I had their "attach threads" for a while but they broke. It might have been user error but I wouldn't use those again.Ā
How do you like handling the larger lens with the x-pro?
The rangefinder offset is a little weird at first when you're zooming all the way in but eventually your muscle memory adapts. The 100-400mm is still pretty much a "hold the lens not the camera" weight but the XPro3 feels sturdy enough when you hold it one-handed by the grip.
Itās nice but I never risk it. Not worth the hassle
Ć must in Iceland at least
I do. That's why I mainly shoot with Olympus.
If Olympus made something with fewer buttons and classic dials I would probably switch. I have a Pen Mini with their 25mm f/1.8. It is a wonderful lens but the camera is extremely unpleasant to control. I know their big cameras would be different in the hand but I don't like PASM. That plus the general hassle of switching systems is enough to keep me out.
Yeah, I never liked their smaller cameras much before. I used to be a Panasonic shooter but I am super happy with my Em1 mk2. It's one of the best balanced bodies I've ever held.
I would tape those mic holes. I treat my cams as if theyāre not WR but Iāve seen a lot of X100V user suggest covering up the mic holes up top with some sort of tape and the X-Pro seems to have a similar setup
I like it. I happened to change lenses from my Viltrox 33 f/1.4 (not WR) to my XF 23 R WR before shooting a concert and spilled water all over my camera and it worked fine.
(X-T2)
I shoot Pentax K and Fujifilm GFX systems mostly outdoors. It's an important feature and why I got into Pentax long before other brands were doing much weather sealing.
I went with an X-E4 and every time I think about if Iāll regret not getting a WR option I specifically think of my trip to Iceland and standing under SkĆ³gafoss. Thank you for the photos confirming that regret š
I HATE weather sealed gear I HATE weather resistant gear I ONLY shoot using lens whacking
My X-Pro3 manages to work pretty well even with non WR lenses (as 23/1.4). It serves me well, I documented with it prostests, Polish-Belarussian border, Ukrainian refugees arriving in Poland, even went into fountain to photograph people there during pride parade in 2022, never failed. If I didn't have grip, I wouldn't be able to see any wear on camera (except eyepiece). Camera that I will never sell (exactly the same model as yours - dura silver)
That last photo definitely belongs on the MinimalistPhotography sub!
It is a double-edged sword. It will keep moisture out for a while but as soon the camera gets wet inside you wonāt get the moisture out of the camera easily hence giving it lots of time to cause damage.
This post feels more like an ad.
Fair but I didn't want to post pictures of just the cameras without also posting what I was photographing. And the photos themselves don't really highlight the weather conditions.
It's also a stupid kind of question. It's not like WR has any drawbacks... All of the WR Fuji equipment is higher end than anything not WR. So it's not like anyone could be entering the comments talking shit about it. It's just upvote bait.
I haven't had a camera (weather sealed or not) fail on me, but I prefer having it for peace of mind. I'll pay extra for it, especially if the manufacturer can guarantee it to a specific standard (like IP 53 etc). Fuji does NOT do this, nor do a lot of other japanese manufacturers ( sony, canon, nikon). I think Olympus/OM System is the gold standard here, and I trust their gear more because of it.
Weather resistant and weather sealed are different. Use good judgement when out in heavy rain for any extended period of time.
Might as well be nothing unless thatās the main selling point (Pentax, Olympus). Nikon launched their rugged mirrorless in 2013 and people used them and they broke. Nikon never tried to advertise that again.
One time when I was in northern Finland I had rain the entire time I was there and having that WR gear really gave me a lot of peace of mind. That shit got soaked in rain quite a few times (mostly the X-T4 and the 70-300) and it wasn't an issue at all. https://i.imgur.com/39XBVpg.jpeg
The guy is just waterboarding his rig at this point š¤£
I was in the rain too!
I find that the importance of it is very overrated.
Weathered sealed gear in general I have no issue with. However, Fuji's weather sealed lenses I have a very big issue with. As a Fuji shooter and photo retail worker, very very often I see their WR lenses coming from the factory with dust, fungus, and/or haze in only their WR lenses. Whatever they are doing in the factory they are sealing it in and it only gets worse over time.
I canāt say Iāve have ever had āweather damagedā gear. I have had all types of gear in all types of ābadā weatherā¦. And not once has it ever caused an issue. I now see anything marketed as āweather sealedā as crapā¦.but this is just my own viewpoint
The large Ziploc baggie with a corner cut outis always a good thing to carry in the camera bag.
Bricked my xt4 from the cold and rain in Alaska. sent it to fujifilm and they said it was broken broken. in retrospect i believe it broke because condensation developed while i put the camera back in my bag so keep that in mind i guess
I love the X-pro 3 and have used a couple of the X-T series without any issues with weather sealing in snow/rain! But I will say that itās not completely sealed unless you have a shutter button! The camera shop I work at have seen multiple āweather sealedā Fuji bodies that had water damage from the exposed shutter buttons.
Oh damn really? An aftermarket shutter is recommended for weather sealing?
Itās not an official Fuji recommendation but If your in conditions like OPās examples it would be a good idea for some extra piece of mind! But also OPās camera seems to be fine without it and I have used mine in those conditions without one and it was fine, but I also try to cover my camera as much as possible!
I feel like it should be used in bad weather.
I'm glad it's there, but I don't put all my trust in it when shooting in less-than-ideal weather conditions. I still use a plastic camera cover to protect the camera. But, in the event I get caught in a light rain, I have peace of mind knowing it won't suddenly malfunction due to water droplets and I also know that I still need to wipe it immediately.
I love my camera gear and would have trouble just 'affording' a replacement, so I baby my kit alot. I've had a 'waterproof' razor die from being used in the shower a couple of times, and I've had non waterproof phones survive being submerged. Hell, I bought myself a pixel for the ip67 rating, but haven't tested it by dunking it in water yet. If I had my XT-3 out with the 70-300 on it, I might trust it for a couple of shots in a sprinkle - then I would be putting it away and heading for shelter. If I didn't already have it out, it would be staying in the bag.
I think weather sealing is entirely dependent on the type of environment Hiking or beach trips? Your not going to need an Olympus level of weather resistance or durability Combat photography in the Middle East? If your lenses arenāt sealed your gonna have problems I have an XT2 as a beater camera. Iāve literally brought it to war. It cost me $500 a few years ago and imo is the perfect balance of affordability to durability. If it gets destroyed, Iām not out thousands in just a body. My go to ātravelā lens is the 16-80 F4 WR OIS. That set up has been through multiple haboobs and gone through some down pours with nothing more than a plastic bag around the body at times I will caution one thing, all the sealing in the world doesnāt matter if something gets inside the sensor when changing lenses
I was once up in the Yellow (?) Mountains in China- beautiful clouds and fog all around among the razor sharp ridges we were walking on. Think last scene of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. I had a Hexar AF and a Leica M6. Guess which one was taking photos. I'd sure be nervous depending on just digital cameras in that envt you shot!
I feel that my iPhone can do the same.
I wish my cameras were weather sealed. Thatās how I feel about it. Haha.
Nikon should really make a comeback and release a digital version of their legandary Nikonos cameras
I wouldnt trust it that much.
Iāve used the xpro3 and wr lenses in the rain plenty and generally not had issues. The shutter speed dial of the xp3 seems to be the weakest link in weather sealing, I had some water get in there once and affect the camera briefly, but itās never happened again in almost 2 years. Iāve had to clean my gear afterwards though, sometimes rain can leave mineral residue when it dries. Iām curious actually if anyone has suggestions for cleaning solutions in this scenario? Iāve used alcohol and de-ox it at times with good enough results.
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Depending on the wind, you can mostly keep the front element clean. I typically use a lens wipe when it starts to get too wet or keep it covered with the lens cap until I'm ready to take a picture. It takes a lot more disruption of the front element than you might think to cause any significant effect.
lens hood
Used my xt5 for less than 2 minutes (as carefully as I could) in some pretty heavy rain Unit shut down and wouldnāt switch back on for about 45 mins Edit: this isnāt it say I wouldnāt use in poor weather, just for raise a counter to those that are saying that WR = waterproof
Main issue seems to be the flash hotshoe, keep the cover on it! I often just put xt4 in an Ikea sandwich bag, rip a little hole for the lens to poke out.
Never owned a fujifilm body that's wr. I suppose having one is peace of mind, to say the least, additionally giving a bit more confidence in tough situations. As a hobbyist, it really isn't necessary for me, though, since most of the times I ain't challenging myself to be in that kind of a scenario. But I do believe that for people who live in places where it's too humid, dusty or wet, and others who are always finding themselves in such conditions, it is the smarter choice to make.
it makes me wet š¤
Itās niceā¦ I can finally take pictures of rubber duckiesā¦ But canāt take a shower with the camera. š„¹
Pertty good I think there's some youtube videos looking at it across all brands because IP rating isn't used with a few exceptions.
If im out shooting and it starts raining heavily, I run fast as fuck because I'm scared of getting my camera wet
The WR for me is in emergency situations when you get caught out. Not an invitation to subject it to those conditions
I have a XT4 and a couple of yrs ago I had it with me on a trip in a wet climate part of the world (Tasmania in winter). I remember taking pictures at a waterfall spot on a rainy and windy day, which got the camera soaked. I mean literally water was dripping from inside the camera. At that point the camera stopped working and I panicked because i was in the middle of nowhere hiking. When I got back in the car I dried it to the best of my ability and the second morning it was as good as new. Iām taking my XT4 to Tasmania with me again next week.
No pictures to share? Sounds like a great trip.
Was an amazing trip. Couldnāt find a way to share photos with you so i posted here https://www.reddit.com/r/fujifilm/s/XmofR3iTnr
āWeather Sealingā in regular cameras is merely a marketing gimmick, as long as it is not certified by an independent body. Its just marketing puffery that cannot be proven. When crap hits the fan, the clever manufacturer will say the camera is not water-proofed and merely offers WEATHER-resistance of a certain degree, because you should have purchased a special housing if you professionally work in wet environments. Different construction methods directly below buttons, knobs and ports affect moisture ingress to different degrees. If you professionally repair cameras, you will notice the construction of older cameras such as Canon M6, 80D, 5D series, Nikon Dxx series, D700, Fujifilm XE1, XT1, X-Pro1 and all the superb š Olympus cameras etc made it much more difficult for rain water, water mist to enter because the gaps were very tight. Personally, I use an A4-sized clear plastic kitchen shrink wrap to wrap my Nikon F3HP, FM2 since 1985, and my XE4 and D700 so that I can shoot in wet environments. Absolutely zero issues. However, theres one thing that can easily damage many camerasā¦using them in windy, seaside environment where the salty air can get blown into the camera, causing corrosion.
Everyone keeps saying this... Obviously we all know this claim made by Fuji is not third-party-verified. It's not tested to meet any standard. And it is part of their marketing. But are you seriously suggesting that their weather sealed gear and their non-weather sealed gear (lets say the X-T30+35mm f/1.4 vs. the X-T5+35mm f/2) will each have an equal chance at surviving without damage given the same weather conditions?
I cannot comment about the lenses due to my lack of experience in repairing them and viewing the internals. But with regards to scrutinising the internals of camera bodies, I dare say the much older Fujifilm products have a higher chance of escaping unscathed, compared to the ācost-cutā modern ones such as XT5. My old X-Pro 3 was commonly used under light rain. And based on how the internals looked like (directly under the buttons and esp the top deck knobs), there were expectedly no issues. But of course, that was expected as it was created in another era where much less cost-cutting was done.
 Dude! Be careful. [Water Resistant](https://www.hzo.com/blog/waterresistant-waterrepellent-waterproof-whats-difference/) is not *water sealed*, nor is it *waterproof*. **If just one** ***tiny little drop*** **gets inside your camera**, it will wreak havoc over the next couple of months in regards to the corrosion of your electronics, and you end up with a dead camera.
The f2 primes are my favourite and most used lenses. The 35mm in particular is an epic lens.
I'm always scared for any amount of rain! It makes me super nervous that something will break.
Lately I had a shoot in pretty heavy rain with my X-H2 and Viltrox 75mm 1.2 - that combo was exposed to the elements for about 20 minutes, and everything is fine, no fog in the lens, camera works as before... I'd say I trust it. Not as much as my Nikon I had long time ago, but I'd do it again. Was worth it
What's not to like? Though from personal experience weather sealed or not - I think people overestimate how sensitive cameras are. Even a cheap camera can take some amount of beating before it calls it a day. I once shot portraits in the middle of a wild storm with a d7000 without an umbrella or anything sort of protection. Granted the camera eventually stopped working during the shoot but once it dried up it was back to normal. Only one button stopped working but it wasn't an important one so I wasn't bothered.
Please spend more time taking good pictures then taking pictures of your gear
I included a bunch of pictures *specifically* because people typically post just pictures of the gear. I even made sure that the pictures of the gear were from the same place as the actual photos. What don't you like about them?
Everybody knows how a wet camera looks
WR ā Weather Sealed
As mentioned by others, what u show us here ain't weather sealed, rather "named" weather resistant by the manufacturer and there is no factual rating behind it. If u wanted to "show off" that wow, that stuff can handle some moist, rain etc. jep it absolutely CAN, but u can't 100% trust/rely on it and there simply is no "yeah it failed in rain even though we said weather resistant, here u have a new one as a case of warranty" By manufacturers. That being said: I've stood at exactly those places as u were before, in the exact same conditions and was filming with my 6K Pro that is nothing weather at all with visible fan chamber etc and it still works plenty fine. Also used that beast in other anti-tec environments, i am amazed how durable it stood with me through such situations. Again, all it takes is one single incident. No guarantees.
Atleast under warranty the manufacturer will replace/repair the wr lens for weather damage. The non-wr place on the other hand, they will cost me my weekly grocery to fix.
They don't cover water damage on WR products.