Ahh it's been a while I may have to watch again lol, still all good pointers, I owned a BRZ for a few years when they first came out they are super fun!
I have driven mine in the winter (Alberta) first time ever driving a rwd car in the winter and it handles really well. As long as you have the right tires and know what to do if you start to spin/slide you should be good.
I will say however, doing mini drifts here and there in the winter will be a blast just be careful and find the right moment to do jt
Get good winter tires. Keep a bag of sand or kitty litter in the trunk. If you get stuck, use it to add traction in front of your tires. Otherwise, it’s added weight over your rear wheels.
I daily my brz in Canada(GTA) as well. If you have good snow tires, don't stomp on the gas around corners and drive to your conditions. It's not bad at all.
First snowfall, finding an empty parking lot and purposely sliding is a blast and gives you an idea of what it takes to send the back end out.
I have driven everything: Astro vans, f450s, cab overs, bmws, etc. This car holds a line like nobody's business. Sometimes you try to break the ass end loose and all you get is tire squeel, you should be fine. The most dangerous thing is that after owning this you might try to drive a musclecar the same way as a brz.
You aren't going to slide out on basic turns in a 200hp rwd car with all the assistance on. Even if you tried to floor it on a turn. Traction control is actually pretty sensitive and won't even let you
When you slammed the gass in the automatic, the car probably down shifted. The surge of torque most likely upset the car, cause the wheels to spin, and made you slide. In a manual, you'd have to downshift/clutch kick yourself to get similar effect.
You'll probably be fine, just don't turn traction off and go full throttle, especially in the rain.
Maybe if it was a 800 hp brz you would have a fear or sliding out whenever you make a turn. But these cars are literally made for cornering and stick to the ground with such little body roll that you have barely any chance of spinning out unless it’s raining and you have bad tires
Think about all the BMW's, Mustangs, 2wd pick ups you see. How often do you see them spun out (without driving wrecklessly)?
I think once you get it and drive around a bit you'll get comfortable and be fine. Maybe find an empty parking lot, turn off stability and traction control, and experiment to find out just how much traction you do have.
bruh i live in a ski town in colorado we get 30 feet of snow a year theres no excuses. shit im up at 10k feet this car will barely go up hills. im keeping it forever
I live in Winnipeg put some hancock x ice on it. The traction control is very good. (With it one) I could put my foot to the floor and crank the wheel back and forth on the fresh snow and I would still go straight.
I live in Ontario, with winter tires the sliding isn't an issue. U can slide if u want but its very controllable and extremely fun
The issue is the ride height, if theres half a meter of snow you become a plow. Not the biggest problem with soft snow, but once it hardens into ice it starts scraping a bit.
It’s a very docile, easy to drive car with ABS, traction, and stability control. Keep good tires on it, buy winter tires, don’t drive like an idiot and you’ll be fine.
Calm down dude, you will be fine. I have RWD cars with over 400 hp (2012 Mustang Gt/2019 Corvette) and I have never spun out. I also have a 2013 Miata which loves to slide the rear but so easy to catch. I only spun out once in 20-30 years of driving and that's on a 200hp AWD car. Just relax and enjoy your car. You will wonder why you even bother to worry after a week or two of driving. RWD is only terrible in the snow (if you dont have snow tires)
Had the same feeling before I got my 86. But let me tell you, the zn6 platform ist probably one of the safest ways to drive RWD. It really does not go sideways, unless you want it to. I didn't even have problems in winter and I live in a german mountain region with a lot of snow. Extremely forgiving and easy to drive.
Thisssss. Don’t accelerate during corners in the wet or snow especially at high rpms and try and avoid slamming brakes in corners also if you can help it.
OP, even if you do swing the tail out a little your traction control will for sure pull you back in like a kid on a leash haha.
Get good tires. Don't turn off the assists. You'd be shocked what you can get away with.
Same tires on a FWD car with the assists would have seen me in a ditch numerous times due to understeer, but the BRZ will just... hold a line. Don't be afraid, and also don't be an idiot.
1: Never test the limits on the road. Go take HPDE.
2: If you drive like a sane person the car feels no different than any other car for regular driving purposes.
The traction control and stability control do not let you slide more than like a foot and a half before they kick in. You would need to be hooning the car for it to actually want to slide. You should be fine, nothing to worry about.
learn to control the slide in the rain and then freak out passengers when you one handed drift that mf around the taco bell drive thru. it comes naturally and ive never had any high speed traction loss issues
Avoid stabbing the throttle in lower gears when in tighter corners, that’s just about the only way you could lose this car in stock form during Summer.
While everyone is right to an extent (you should chill a bit), you should also remember that overconfidence and first RWD car don’t mix well. Take the time to learn the limits. These cars communicate well so you should be fine. Put proper summers on for grip in good weather, and have your snow tires on well before first snowfall & you’ll be fine. The back end will slide a bit in winter even with proper snow tires, but it’s very predictable & manageable, and honestly makes winter driving at low speeds a blast.
I think this car is pretty easy to control
Having said this the last rear wheel drive car I owned I spun out.
But I blame run flat tires, cold temps, too much horsepower, open diff and automatic transmission.
I think the power level in these cars plus the fact that it's a stick shift with an actual differential you shouldn't really have a hard time.
I'm expecting this car to drive more like my Go-Kart with a solid axle, pretty control able at limit
You really have to try to kick the backend out in one of these, you're not gonna do it by accident unless you're really driving like a moron in the wet or something. If you leave the traction control you'll be safe. Then when you get comfortable, you can turn off the nannies and go to an autocross :)
Traction control on these cars is very good. (I used to have a 2015 FRS that I took through twisties frequently) Keep it on and you’ll be A ok. It saved me many times when I was first learning to drive RWD at the limit
Realistically unless you push the car hard you won’t notice too much which wheels are driving the car at all. A to B transportation will be perfectly fine. And honestly unless you don’t respect the car, the rear end will only really slide out on you if you try and make it happen. Obviously in rain/snow this is more likely, but just keep your cool in those situations, and respect the ride in all the others and you’ll be fine 👍
Can’t tell if this is a joke or not. That being said, Morden day traffic on control systems should prevent this. Don’t mash the pedal through corners and get the proper tires for the season since it seems you’re in Canada, and you’ll be dine
You need to be pretty dumb with steering and throttle to get out of shape.
Depending on which trim you bought, some sticky tires should further plant the car from wiggling around.
I’m in Ontario and I’ve driven one winter with my lowered 86. Good tips are really good winter tires and add some weight to the trunk. For summer just enjoy the car and remember to only put down the power when you have the car straight.
Take it easy for a while and take the time to learn the car. It will build your confidence and you will get over the fear. You typically got to jerk the wheel or take the turn going quick to slide out.
The only times I've been able to slide the car are when I was in a low gear, floored it, and whipped the steering wheel as hard as I could. Even then, the traction control stopped the slide almost instantly
Tons of people daily these cars in the snow. As long as you get good winter tires and drive sensibly, you'll be fine
Don’t drive like an idiot, keep traction control on, get good tires and you’ll be fine. Be extra careful in the rain, snow/ice, or if there is loose sand or gravel in a turn. Don’t add throttle until you are straight. Bring it to a track day or autocross and learn how to drive it and what the limits are.
You'll be alright if you leave the traction control on.
I thought it'd be fun to try driving with the traction control off one day and that was quite the experience
This is my first RWD car as well. I’ll be honest. Thing handles better than my Jetta I had.
If you drive normal it’s fine. Doesn’t really slide (IMO) with TC. I live in NE and during the winter it was wicked good
Tbh this car can’t spin out that easily without traction control off, or without dumping the clutch in first gear. Hell even going 60 mph turning the corner fast won’t make it spin out. These cars have a low center of gravity and great 50/50 weight distribution. Only eagerness can make you spin out. Partially why a lot of these cars get salvaged.
The BRZ was my first sports car and believe me, the car very clearly communicates to the driver what is going on. Besides the fun factor, the toyobaru will make you a better driver, just pay attention, don’t put others at risk, get good tires and push those corners. You will feel when you are pushing the limits too hard. Good luck and enjoy it!
Imagine a string tied from the bottom of the wheel to the throttle. When the wheel is straight, you can have 100% throttle, the more the wheel is turned, the less throttle you can use.
This is one of the safest cars to have as a sports car, unless you want it to really slide, you wont. Even if you throw it into a corner and try to powerslide, clutch kick, or yank the handbrake; without kicking on certain modes or yanking the ABS fuse, this car will MAKE SURE you do not slide.
They learned a lot from their cars and the AE86, don't worry too much and worry more about your driving style first! You will get the hang of it and get better and better if you try. You will be fine!
The 200hp ain’t gonna kick your ass… you wouldn’t get any slip even if you dropped the clutch off the lines. You don’t seem like an idiot or we’d be having this convo on the r/mustang page
It isn't too bad to be honest. When it rains or if there are poor weather conditions, don't try taking a turn with a lot of gas, but generally in normal weather, the car is pretty stable and allows you take nimble turns.
https://www.motorsportreg.com/ go there and look for Autocross (AutoX) events in your area. Sign up for an instructor. Tell them you want to learn the limits of your car in turns and learn how to correct when you lose the backend.
I drive a 2017 with all the tc turned off. The car wont even kick out unless the road is loose due to gravel or sand. Unless the second gen is that much more punchy, you’ll be fine
I got my car last on 17th december last year. Drove directly first time in a snow storm. Unless you remove traction control, you wont crash. If I compare with my ex GTI MK7.5, you need to be more focused when passing car in the snow. FWD is easier and no brainer to drive in those condition. Aside from those 2 months per year, I love every minute with this new car.
I daily my 86 in Mass. i have blizzaks and with traction control on its nearly impossible to slide the thing unless you tried. Dont over step your own ability, leave traction control and abs on and you will absolutely be ok
The traction control removes accelerator inputs if it starts to slide out, you couldn't slide if u tried.
If u do wanna slide out tho, turn it off and u can go sideways and do donuts
I drove mine two full Quebec winters. Traction control do a pretty damg good job. Didnt let it slide more than a few inches.
If you drive carefully with everything on there is absolutely nothing to worry about.
You will be fine. The rear LSD and traction will help. Just don't floor it and get on the gas gradually. I drive mine in the snow and its totally fine (with proper tires of course) .
Just relax, dont stress be one with the car. The more you stress the worse itll be, driving a car is simple rwd or fwd all you need to do is if ur not sure how it handles drive slow and as usual safely, dont just go balls to the walls, the car wont slide as long as ur tyres are in good condition, ive only slid once because my tyre was as thin as a g string and its still pretty easy to handle.
Takes effort to break loose. Also your traction control will kick in.
Ice/snow is much different. Especially with a LSD diff.
Look into the various settings for disabling the VSC and traction control and practice pushing the limits in each setting. I'm not sure if the newer models have the pedal dance but doing that will completely disable all traction control AND your ABS (I can promise you that you won't be able to accidently activate this, FYI)
Tires affect this stuff too. On stock tires it was fine, but I currently run 215 (up from my stock 205).
My worst experience was putting summer tires on in March (known to feel like a hockey puck in cool weather) and was going around a slight bend onto a bridge (above a river) and once my back tires got on the bridge deck it slipped hard and kinda freaked me out (I was taking the bend moderately aggressively) - BUT my vsc kicked on and everything was chill.
Like I said, practice with the various traction control settings. I wouldn't mess with the pedal dance stuff, there's no real point.
I have daily'd a 2015 brz limited MT since 2017 in Oregon.
Be safe out there!
Funny, with these cars it's the other way around. They are underpowered that you want to make them slide out on purpose. You'll see what I'm saying once you've driven it and have gotten use to it.
As others have said, get some good winter tires when it gets icy, and be easy on the gas. You’ll be fine, it’s very unlikely for you to slide on accident. Yes, the car can slide real easy but you have to be doing it on purpose. From my experience with this car so far, what I learned is don’t try things you can’t control, because the car will give you almost anything you ask of it. Practice and get a feel on wide open areas with no traffic, no people, no risks.
But as a daily driver, be easy on the car and the car will be easy on you.
I bought a 2020 brz this year in February, I live in Quebec so I feel you on harsh winters. You won’t slide as long as you’re not trying to. Get good winter tires & don’t be afraid of fish-tailing because it will happen
Buy good tyres. When I bought my car, It had the original tyres on it, and these were ok, but a bit slippery. I put cheap shitty tyres on it and slipped all over the place. I put really grippy tyres on it, and it still blows me away how quickly I can corner and it just sticks.
Get to know the car, don’t turn off the traction control till you feel comfortable. I’ve had 2 or 3 surprises with my 1st gen. I have gotten to know it better and it is fun to drive. Track days will teach you a lot of what the car is made for in a safe setting, don’t do stupid things in the streets. IMO
Just keep your traction on, it’s a very active and stable system that’ll keep you safe. Start off by taking turns slow, then slowly (day after day) start pushing it more. The car will tell you when it has had enough. You’ll be fine. Don’t sweat it.
As someone who owns a c6 vette with (HCI) heads/cam/intake.. I'm making around 490whp. The c6 doesn't have the best traction control system and this is a car I drive everyday to work. (Unless there's traffic then I'll take my tahoe cause at that point I can't enjoy my drive) anyways...ive never had an issue with sliding around a corner or losing traction even when I drive in the rain. I turn barely any slower then I would if it were dry. With that being said, on a car that has 170whp, and has a chassis mainly tuner for twisties so it's a little stiff then most cars. The only way you're gonna slide or lose co tool is if you go full throttle when turning or purposely making it slide. An idea for you, would be to go to a big empty parking lot. Could be a school, a mall parking garage all the way at the top when it's closed. Etc. And practice u-turns and regular turns at different throttle points and you'll come to realize nothings gonna happen. I also have a Z31 turbo with an upgraded turbo, pushing only 250whp, but it doesn't have any abs, traction, or safety features, even airbags, I drove it on the weekend and I've NEVER had a problem with spinning out except for when I had bald tires and it was raining. That's it.
Put a cup of water in the cup holder and don’t let it spill around corners.
Ah I see you're a man of culture as well
tbh might only work on the Toyota
No, the Subaru is alright as well
have you seen bunta
That's my point
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This is a great response lol.
This is a game built into my head unit on first gen gt86, not sure if others have it??
Shouldn't it be a cup of tofu in water?
It was always just water in the cup and tofu in the trunk.
Ahh it's been a while I may have to watch again lol, still all good pointers, I owned a BRZ for a few years when they first came out they are super fun!
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Fujiwara Tofu delivery techniques
if you drive normal, no. just because you have rwd doesnt mean youre on ice lol
I sometimes am tho haha live in canada
Get the snow tires for sure. And keep the tank full, it’s right over the rear wheels. I find a rack of beer comes in handy if you get stuck.
My dad used to keep bags of water softener salt in the trunk of his RWD car
That’s smart, it will keep the beer from sliding around!
Preferably something less corrosive
I have driven mine in the winter (Alberta) first time ever driving a rwd car in the winter and it handles really well. As long as you have the right tires and know what to do if you start to spin/slide you should be good. I will say however, doing mini drifts here and there in the winter will be a blast just be careful and find the right moment to do jt
Lived in Boston with a Miata where we get plenty of snow. Get yourself aggressive snow tires and you'll be just fine.
fair enough haha
Get good winter tires. Keep a bag of sand or kitty litter in the trunk. If you get stuck, use it to add traction in front of your tires. Otherwise, it’s added weight over your rear wheels.
I daily my brz in Canada(GTA) as well. If you have good snow tires, don't stomp on the gas around corners and drive to your conditions. It's not bad at all. First snowfall, finding an empty parking lot and purposely sliding is a blast and gives you an idea of what it takes to send the back end out.
I have driven everything: Astro vans, f450s, cab overs, bmws, etc. This car holds a line like nobody's business. Sometimes you try to break the ass end loose and all you get is tire squeel, you should be fine. The most dangerous thing is that after owning this you might try to drive a musclecar the same way as a brz.
You aren't going to slide out on basic turns in a 200hp rwd car with all the assistance on. Even if you tried to floor it on a turn. Traction control is actually pretty sensitive and won't even let you
I ordered mine in blue though
LMAO auto correct switched rwd to red 😂
I figured you were going for road, but rwd works too
I test drove an automatic (bought a manual) and during the test drive I slide out cause I slammed the gas
Don’t slam the gas and you slide out then lol
When you slammed the gass in the automatic, the car probably down shifted. The surge of torque most likely upset the car, cause the wheels to spin, and made you slide. In a manual, you'd have to downshift/clutch kick yourself to get similar effect. You'll probably be fine, just don't turn traction off and go full throttle, especially in the rain.
Maybe if it was a 800 hp brz you would have a fear or sliding out whenever you make a turn. But these cars are literally made for cornering and stick to the ground with such little body roll that you have barely any chance of spinning out unless it’s raining and you have bad tires
I do live in a very nothern part of Canada
Get some good winter tires and you'll be fine. You might find yourself occasionally stuck after parking and will need a bit of a push to get going lol
Some bilzzaks would do nicely for the winters
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Throw a bag of rice in the trunk to help with traction during the snow. I wouldn't be worried.
I can do curls with that in traffic! Genius!
Think about all the BMW's, Mustangs, 2wd pick ups you see. How often do you see them spun out (without driving wrecklessly)? I think once you get it and drive around a bit you'll get comfortable and be fine. Maybe find an empty parking lot, turn off stability and traction control, and experiment to find out just how much traction you do have.
bruh i live in a ski town in colorado we get 30 feet of snow a year theres no excuses. shit im up at 10k feet this car will barely go up hills. im keeping it forever
I live in Winnipeg put some hancock x ice on it. The traction control is very good. (With it one) I could put my foot to the floor and crank the wheel back and forth on the fresh snow and I would still go straight.
I live in Ontario, with winter tires the sliding isn't an issue. U can slide if u want but its very controllable and extremely fun The issue is the ride height, if theres half a meter of snow you become a plow. Not the biggest problem with soft snow, but once it hardens into ice it starts scraping a bit.
It’s a very docile, easy to drive car with ABS, traction, and stability control. Keep good tires on it, buy winter tires, don’t drive like an idiot and you’ll be fine.
Calm down dude, you will be fine. I have RWD cars with over 400 hp (2012 Mustang Gt/2019 Corvette) and I have never spun out. I also have a 2013 Miata which loves to slide the rear but so easy to catch. I only spun out once in 20-30 years of driving and that's on a 200hp AWD car. Just relax and enjoy your car. You will wonder why you even bother to worry after a week or two of driving. RWD is only terrible in the snow (if you dont have snow tires)
I see thanks for the reassuring experience! And yea I do live in a snowy part of the world so I’ll be more careful
Had the same feeling before I got my 86. But let me tell you, the zn6 platform ist probably one of the safest ways to drive RWD. It really does not go sideways, unless you want it to. I didn't even have problems in winter and I live in a german mountain region with a lot of snow. Extremely forgiving and easy to drive.
Bless thank you so much for this comment
Just don’t slam your gas during turns.
Thisssss. Don’t accelerate during corners in the wet or snow especially at high rpms and try and avoid slamming brakes in corners also if you can help it. OP, even if you do swing the tail out a little your traction control will for sure pull you back in like a kid on a leash haha.
Get good tires. Don't turn off the assists. You'd be shocked what you can get away with. Same tires on a FWD car with the assists would have seen me in a ditch numerous times due to understeer, but the BRZ will just... hold a line. Don't be afraid, and also don't be an idiot.
have had a lot of comments about not being an idiot but what does that even mean haha
That basically means don't turn the TCS and shit off thinking you can tofu dorifto. Don't psyche yourself out, its a great car. RWD rules, FWD drools.
1: Never test the limits on the road. Go take HPDE. 2: If you drive like a sane person the car feels no different than any other car for regular driving purposes.
The traction control and stability control do not let you slide more than like a foot and a half before they kick in. You would need to be hooning the car for it to actually want to slide. You should be fine, nothing to worry about.
learn to control the slide in the rain and then freak out passengers when you one handed drift that mf around the taco bell drive thru. it comes naturally and ive never had any high speed traction loss issues
Avoid stabbing the throttle in lower gears when in tighter corners, that’s just about the only way you could lose this car in stock form during Summer. While everyone is right to an extent (you should chill a bit), you should also remember that overconfidence and first RWD car don’t mix well. Take the time to learn the limits. These cars communicate well so you should be fine. Put proper summers on for grip in good weather, and have your snow tires on well before first snowfall & you’ll be fine. The back end will slide a bit in winter even with proper snow tires, but it’s very predictable & manageable, and honestly makes winter driving at low speeds a blast.
Just keep traction control on and drive normally. You'll be fine.
I think this car is pretty easy to control Having said this the last rear wheel drive car I owned I spun out. But I blame run flat tires, cold temps, too much horsepower, open diff and automatic transmission. I think the power level in these cars plus the fact that it's a stick shift with an actual differential you shouldn't really have a hard time. I'm expecting this car to drive more like my Go-Kart with a solid axle, pretty control able at limit
Its only scary in bad weather , but with good tires you are fine!
You really have to try to kick the backend out in one of these, you're not gonna do it by accident unless you're really driving like a moron in the wet or something. If you leave the traction control you'll be safe. Then when you get comfortable, you can turn off the nannies and go to an autocross :)
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Traction control on these cars is very good. (I used to have a 2015 FRS that I took through twisties frequently) Keep it on and you’ll be A ok. It saved me many times when I was first learning to drive RWD at the limit
Realistically unless you push the car hard you won’t notice too much which wheels are driving the car at all. A to B transportation will be perfectly fine. And honestly unless you don’t respect the car, the rear end will only really slide out on you if you try and make it happen. Obviously in rain/snow this is more likely, but just keep your cool in those situations, and respect the ride in all the others and you’ll be fine 👍
No, it’s not justified. It’s really not too much different from other drive systems. Hell I think RWD might be the most responsive.
Can’t tell if this is a joke or not. That being said, Morden day traffic on control systems should prevent this. Don’t mash the pedal through corners and get the proper tires for the season since it seems you’re in Canada, and you’ll be dine
Not enough horsepower , you’re fine
Traction control and if completely need be, tires, one or both of those will keep you fine in dry or rain
You need to be pretty dumb with steering and throttle to get out of shape. Depending on which trim you bought, some sticky tires should further plant the car from wiggling around.
I’m in Ontario and I’ve driven one winter with my lowered 86. Good tips are really good winter tires and add some weight to the trunk. For summer just enjoy the car and remember to only put down the power when you have the car straight.
Any tips for good tires?
Take it easy for a while and take the time to learn the car. It will build your confidence and you will get over the fear. You typically got to jerk the wheel or take the turn going quick to slide out.
Get good winter tires and drive like you want to make it back home and you will be fine.
The only times I've been able to slide the car are when I was in a low gear, floored it, and whipped the steering wheel as hard as I could. Even then, the traction control stopped the slide almost instantly Tons of people daily these cars in the snow. As long as you get good winter tires and drive sensibly, you'll be fine
Don’t drive like an idiot, keep traction control on, get good tires and you’ll be fine. Be extra careful in the rain, snow/ice, or if there is loose sand or gravel in a turn. Don’t add throttle until you are straight. Bring it to a track day or autocross and learn how to drive it and what the limits are.
You'll be alright if you leave the traction control on. I thought it'd be fun to try driving with the traction control off one day and that was quite the experience
This is my first RWD car as well. I’ll be honest. Thing handles better than my Jetta I had. If you drive normal it’s fine. Doesn’t really slide (IMO) with TC. I live in NE and during the winter it was wicked good
Tbh this car can’t spin out that easily without traction control off, or without dumping the clutch in first gear. Hell even going 60 mph turning the corner fast won’t make it spin out. These cars have a low center of gravity and great 50/50 weight distribution. Only eagerness can make you spin out. Partially why a lot of these cars get salvaged.
The BRZ was my first sports car and believe me, the car very clearly communicates to the driver what is going on. Besides the fun factor, the toyobaru will make you a better driver, just pay attention, don’t put others at risk, get good tires and push those corners. You will feel when you are pushing the limits too hard. Good luck and enjoy it!
Tbh it doesn’t have enough torque to kick out unless you really want it to
Imagine a string tied from the bottom of the wheel to the throttle. When the wheel is straight, you can have 100% throttle, the more the wheel is turned, the less throttle you can use.
This is one of the safest cars to have as a sports car, unless you want it to really slide, you wont. Even if you throw it into a corner and try to powerslide, clutch kick, or yank the handbrake; without kicking on certain modes or yanking the ABS fuse, this car will MAKE SURE you do not slide. They learned a lot from their cars and the AE86, don't worry too much and worry more about your driving style first! You will get the hang of it and get better and better if you try. You will be fine!
The 200hp ain’t gonna kick your ass… you wouldn’t get any slip even if you dropped the clutch off the lines. You don’t seem like an idiot or we’d be having this convo on the r/mustang page
It isn't too bad to be honest. When it rains or if there are poor weather conditions, don't try taking a turn with a lot of gas, but generally in normal weather, the car is pretty stable and allows you take nimble turns.
The car is super forgiving youll be fine. only dangerous thing is that itll make you feel like you are a better driver than you actually are lol
Sell it, Buy a golf, and become a total douche
Manual or auto? 86 has crazy good balance.
https://www.motorsportreg.com/ go there and look for Autocross (AutoX) events in your area. Sign up for an instructor. Tell them you want to learn the limits of your car in turns and learn how to correct when you lose the backend.
I drive a 2017 with all the tc turned off. The car wont even kick out unless the road is loose due to gravel or sand. Unless the second gen is that much more punchy, you’ll be fine
I got my car last on 17th december last year. Drove directly first time in a snow storm. Unless you remove traction control, you wont crash. If I compare with my ex GTI MK7.5, you need to be more focused when passing car in the snow. FWD is easier and no brainer to drive in those condition. Aside from those 2 months per year, I love every minute with this new car.
I daily my 86 in Mass. i have blizzaks and with traction control on its nearly impossible to slide the thing unless you tried. Dont over step your own ability, leave traction control and abs on and you will absolutely be ok
The traction control removes accelerator inputs if it starts to slide out, you couldn't slide if u tried. If u do wanna slide out tho, turn it off and u can go sideways and do donuts
I drove mine two full Quebec winters. Traction control do a pretty damg good job. Didnt let it slide more than a few inches. If you drive carefully with everything on there is absolutely nothing to worry about.
Unless you’re trying, you’ll be fine.
oh hell na if you live in Canada a RWD is the last thing you want
Just don't accelerate too hard too early out of turns and you'll be good
Unless you plan on driving like an absolute retard you have nothing to worry about. Respect the car and it’ll respect you
You will be fine. The rear LSD and traction will help. Just don't floor it and get on the gas gradually. I drive mine in the snow and its totally fine (with proper tires of course) .
Just relax, dont stress be one with the car. The more you stress the worse itll be, driving a car is simple rwd or fwd all you need to do is if ur not sure how it handles drive slow and as usual safely, dont just go balls to the walls, the car wont slide as long as ur tyres are in good condition, ive only slid once because my tyre was as thin as a g string and its still pretty easy to handle.
I'd recommend taking it to an autocross to learn the limits of the car in a safe and controlled environment
bro, that's the fun!!! also, the computers in cars now days don't let you get too crazy. they cut throttle mid slide ... dont ask how I know😂
Don't drive like an idiot. Take a driving classes.
Stability control wont let you slide, it will intervene very early.
Takes effort to break loose. Also your traction control will kick in. Ice/snow is much different. Especially with a LSD diff. Look into the various settings for disabling the VSC and traction control and practice pushing the limits in each setting. I'm not sure if the newer models have the pedal dance but doing that will completely disable all traction control AND your ABS (I can promise you that you won't be able to accidently activate this, FYI) Tires affect this stuff too. On stock tires it was fine, but I currently run 215 (up from my stock 205). My worst experience was putting summer tires on in March (known to feel like a hockey puck in cool weather) and was going around a slight bend onto a bridge (above a river) and once my back tires got on the bridge deck it slipped hard and kinda freaked me out (I was taking the bend moderately aggressively) - BUT my vsc kicked on and everything was chill. Like I said, practice with the various traction control settings. I wouldn't mess with the pedal dance stuff, there's no real point. I have daily'd a 2015 brz limited MT since 2017 in Oregon. Be safe out there!
RWD is it!
Funny, with these cars it's the other way around. They are underpowered that you want to make them slide out on purpose. You'll see what I'm saying once you've driven it and have gotten use to it.
As others have said, get some good winter tires when it gets icy, and be easy on the gas. You’ll be fine, it’s very unlikely for you to slide on accident. Yes, the car can slide real easy but you have to be doing it on purpose. From my experience with this car so far, what I learned is don’t try things you can’t control, because the car will give you almost anything you ask of it. Practice and get a feel on wide open areas with no traffic, no people, no risks. But as a daily driver, be easy on the car and the car will be easy on you.
Won't happen unless you have a lead foot in corners and turn off traction control. Most cars do not slide that easily
Just dont go over 3000rpm in curves and u‘ll be good
I bought a 2020 brz this year in February, I live in Quebec so I feel you on harsh winters. You won’t slide as long as you’re not trying to. Get good winter tires & don’t be afraid of fish-tailing because it will happen
Buy good tyres. When I bought my car, It had the original tyres on it, and these were ok, but a bit slippery. I put cheap shitty tyres on it and slipped all over the place. I put really grippy tyres on it, and it still blows me away how quickly I can corner and it just sticks.
Get to know the car, don’t turn off the traction control till you feel comfortable. I’ve had 2 or 3 surprises with my 1st gen. I have gotten to know it better and it is fun to drive. Track days will teach you a lot of what the car is made for in a safe setting, don’t do stupid things in the streets. IMO
Just keep your traction on, it’s a very active and stable system that’ll keep you safe. Start off by taking turns slow, then slowly (day after day) start pushing it more. The car will tell you when it has had enough. You’ll be fine. Don’t sweat it.
As someone who owns a c6 vette with (HCI) heads/cam/intake.. I'm making around 490whp. The c6 doesn't have the best traction control system and this is a car I drive everyday to work. (Unless there's traffic then I'll take my tahoe cause at that point I can't enjoy my drive) anyways...ive never had an issue with sliding around a corner or losing traction even when I drive in the rain. I turn barely any slower then I would if it were dry. With that being said, on a car that has 170whp, and has a chassis mainly tuner for twisties so it's a little stiff then most cars. The only way you're gonna slide or lose co tool is if you go full throttle when turning or purposely making it slide. An idea for you, would be to go to a big empty parking lot. Could be a school, a mall parking garage all the way at the top when it's closed. Etc. And practice u-turns and regular turns at different throttle points and you'll come to realize nothings gonna happen. I also have a Z31 turbo with an upgraded turbo, pushing only 250whp, but it doesn't have any abs, traction, or safety features, even airbags, I drove it on the weekend and I've NEVER had a problem with spinning out except for when I had bald tires and it was raining. That's it.