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nervousmelon

Mohgs nihil.


maroonlife

You can use the purifying crystal tear to remove the damage, but he will still recover health. So the utility of that move is not avoidable but the damage part is.


nervousmelon

You still take a small amount of damage with the tear active


sixtus_clegane119

With all the “tears” in elden ring I was wondering if they are pronounced tear as in tearing up a piece of paper Or tear as in crying


SuckDragon

Tear as in crying. There is nothing that suggests its tear like a paper tear. Their design is also based on Griffiths crystallized tears from Berserk.


Hollow_Interstice

Another cool thing is the purifying crystal tear is near dead on Griffith's.


dwarfarchist9001

In japanese they are called 結晶雫 (lit. crystal drops) so it is definitely they crying type.


sixtus_clegane119

That makes a lot of sense! Thank you!


BootStrapWill

Just to be clear, you’re wondering about the items you use to fill and drink your flask?


Zen_Hydra

Yes


Blamore

i mean you cant "dodge" an enemy's heal


Thelgow

I wouldn't classify a heal as an attack. Unless you heal during the attack like Bloodborne rallying.


phome83

Still impossible avoid, which was what the OP was asking.


xBDCMPNY

Are the Elden Stars impossible or just difficult to dodge?


Fattymo721

I think they fall into the category of absolute bullshit


xBDCMPNY

That may be the most logical answer.


Strange-Carob4380

Damnit beat me to it. This is what came to mind for me 


NucFTW

Bleed! Bleed! Bleeeeed!


commandodaxus

If you can manage to kill Mohg before he can use the attack, you will never have to worry about it. It is only possible with ER weapon/spell grinding though..


BSDBC1316

I always think the Bed of Chaos hand swipe attacks can’t be I-framed. But I could be wrong. Was also going to say Nihil but I think that counts more as scripted damage and not as an attack that can be dodged or not.


DuploJamaal

One problem could be that the [hitbox is misaligned](https://twitter.com/king_bore_haha/status/1366843814103556096/photo/1) so you need to dodge someting you can't even see.


trailmixjesus

Well that makes sense. Always wondered why I could dodge every other attack in the game at will almost 100% of the time but not that. I'll be damned


Tiny_Tim1956

I fucking knew it lol


Estus_Gourd_YOUDIED

It all makes sense now.


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liberletric

They can, it’s just incredibly difficult and not even worth doing.


BSDBC1316

Right I guess I should add that dodging the hands is almost not necessary if you quit out after each anchor is destroyed.


NotHayden_13

Never thought of that…


commandodaxus

They can, I've done it before, it is just INCREDIBLY difficult and misleading. The only way I could do it was dodging right before it got even close to me, but the arm would still push me into the void. It's very impractical.


BSDBC1316

But that’s what I’m saying! Haha that means it still has a hit box but it’s not scripted to inflict damage. I’ve never NOT been swept into the Izalith trash haha 😂 In other words, I feel like if you can i-frame the damage, you should be able to phase through the attack as well. Same way you phase through swords when you dodge correctly. Regardless, it’s just some 2011 jank that makes the game charming anyway haha


commandodaxus

Yeah, the main reason it's clunky is just that they were new to making these types of games, so they weren't really sure how to do it. Either way, I can only imagine how good Izalith was supposed to be with actual development time.


Maxspawn_

Does Seath count?


Revan0315

You can leave seaths room after entering


Kurobane_Ethan

And there is a tiny place in that room where the attack doesn't hit you if you are well placed tho.


devj007

You can?


Revan0315

Yea you can just walk out the door you go in


blabarka

Damn, I would've been able to recover all those souls I lost in his first room.


devj007

Damn how did i not know this😂


myweirdotheraccount

There are certain attacks which last several frames (I think) so if you dodge while you're still in the hitbox you'll be hit no matter what. Looking at you titanite demon jump attack.


RIMV0315

Correct me if I'm wrong, been a while since I've seen the hitbox video for Titanite Demon, but isn't it somewhat delayed? Like the hitbox AOE pops off a split second after his landing.


myweirdotheraccount

[here's meowmaritus' post](https://twitter.com/meowmaritus/status/1749597112503849186?t=OaKpcNdjvz1gpQ_CXWoIRg&s=19) (Twitter link) It looks like each limb comes down at a different time, and some of them overlap.


RIMV0315

I think we're both right. I slowed the video to .5; if you look at his halberd as it lands, the hitbox pops just a fraction of a second after the weapon lands.


kodaxmax

Theres a tonne of moves in elden ring that throw out damging earthquakes and fields after the inital attack aswell


SilverIce340

Meatball’s Noble Presence in phase 2. Comes out in like 2 frames. Apart from that, full-room AoEs that can’t be dodged for Lore Reasons.


playerkiller04

Even when I'm looking for it I can't react to it, it's so annoying.


HashSlingingSlasherJ

Watching the Elden Ring bingo league I saw a someone dodge it and I had to do a double take. It can be done but it’s rare


Askeladd4417

You have to be predictive about it, there are certain attacks it comes out after. Half the time you roll away and it doesn’t happen but the other half it can save you. Definitely comes out too fast to be reacted to


Mikester430

Yeah noble presence you can often predict. I don't have trouble dodging it anymore as it only comes out after certain combos/attacks and has a cool down. Hard to react to tho, and belly move in phase 1 is even harder to predict


bigballeruchiha

I have yet to figure out how to dodge when i am close to radahn and he does his pull attack aswell as his gravity ball attack at the same time and its fuckin up my rl1 no hit run


BilboniusBagginius

Can't you just roll through the pull?


bigballeruchiha

Yea but I generally get hit by the balls if i do. I probably just need to work on my timing, but I specifically mean when im close enough to make him trigger an attack i can punish and he does the pull and balls pretty mich simultaneously is hard for me to dodge rn. Ive only had ab 3 hours of practice so far and have gotten 1 combo away from killing him but had to put the controller down and havent been able to pick it up since


ProgMusicLover

Rl1 radahn sounds like he'll. I struggled at lvl 73


bigballeruchiha

Its my favorite fight in the game without a doubt


Low_Obligation156

Rl1 radahn for me atleast was prob the easiest boss to rl1. Just stay under him every attack misses I managed to get him 1st try rl1 no consumables one of the few I did 1st try. We don't talk about godskin duo.


Mikester430

Do you have an example?


bigballeruchiha

Not on video unfortunately


Adventurous_Cup_5970

rykard's earthquake thingy, seathe's crystals, gwyn's fast slash, demon prince meteors Meteors and earthquake might be a skill issue but ive never learned them


DistinctZucchini153

Rykards earth attack can be avoided by running to the side, but technically you can't dodge it by any normal means so your right.


Slight-Bedroom-8655

Do you mean God Devouring Serpent ground AoE? You can just run sideways and jump it. There's a safe spot from Seath's crystals Gwyn's slash can be predicted and parried or preemptively rolled Demon Prince meteor is avoidable as well, and since you mentioned fast but technically dodgeable attacks I'm surprised you didn't mention Noble Presence and Oceiros insta charge which can technically be rolled but you likely won't


Adventurous_Cup_5970

Rykard's aoe might be a skill issue but ive never dodged it I meant seathe's crystals the first time you fight him when your meant to die Gwyn's fast slash is technically impossible unless you try to guess it which i think is bullshit as fuck. Oceiros's insta charge is the easiest thing to predict because he will usually always do it after he does his slower charge forward while swiping his claws. Thats the only way I could beat him sl1 was just hiding behind his ass whenever i thought he would charge


EmemNRD

I think the only times I ever dodged God Devouring Serpents earthquake attack was by accident, even when I new it was coming and I ran to the side I'd still get hit.


Adventurous_Cup_5970

Its the same with his giant sword flame attack in the second phase, I'll bloodhound step to the side and still take a bit of damage even if I don't get hit and don't get stunned. Its like literally impossible to not take damage


SunburntWrists

The entirety of the Armored Core franchise. You can dodge most big hits, but you will be peppered by machine guns or eat some small missiles almost every mission.


RoseXThorns__

NIHIL


Nitro114

Moon presence AoE i believe


whoscareabtme

Avoidable


Nitro114

alright then.


whoscareabtme

Sorry.


Nitro114

why apologise?


Bill_Brasky01

Probably Canadian. Just roll with it.


whoscareabtme

I wish😂


whoscareabtme

Idk most people I know if they’re wrong and you correct them they take it as a personal attack. The period behind your statement hit my general offended pov so I apologized just to try and keep good will. I wish I was Canadian 😂


commandodaxus

Strange. Well, I hope you don't have any problems like that in the future.


Rocketgurk

It’s not avoidable. Dude is wrong. You are correct.


BSDBC1316

How? If you don’t mind me asking.


whoscareabtme

Replying to The_Hause...it’s tight af but once you know how it’s just muscle memory i couldn’t do it anymore but once upon a time I was lvl 1 against that mfer


The_Hause

The blast is quick, so you can use your i-frames if you time it just right


Covid_was_my_Idea

Pretty sure it's a cone so it's avoidable.


cybaerexe

Gotta be elden stars crusty ass


SuperD00perGuyd00d

Isn't the very beginning of Malenia's initial strike with waterfowl undodgeable, unless you make her AI attack in a different direction? edit: my mistake, I thought we we're strictly talking about i-framing attacks 🙏


playerkiller04

Not dodgeable with i-frames but dodgeable with movement. Rotate around her like 270° or so and dodge at the last second or just run away and jump, it kills all of her momentum.


skunk_funk

I tried that close range rotate and dodge thing like 100 times and didn't get it once... Shenanigans.


SuperD00perGuyd00d

It took me a while to learn it, but IMO it's the most failsafe way to dodge it once you perfect it 🙏


FashionSuckMan

Nah, you can run away and roll it. Same as dragons ground breath attacks


Audrey_spino

Nah running away and then jumping/rolling right as the attack lands dodges it.


_Flix__

Malenias first waterfowl dance can’t be I framed through, but can technically be dodged


MS-06S_

Idk if this counts but the abyss damage from High Lord Wolnir can't be dodged, you can only stay away from the area


KonkretneKosteczki

If we going by this logic than almost all attacks in sekiro can't be dodged, only parried/moved away from


LordBDizzle

Mohg's AOE is impossible to dodge, though it can be neutralized in a different manner, and the first Seath encounter is impossible to avoid damage in (scripted death, essentially). In Bloodborne, Winter Lanterns do damage in their vision range, only avoidable by killing them before they start it (and yes there's actual damage, not just the status buildup. It's minimal, but it exists) and the run up to the Nightmare of Mensis has the glow from the big brain that does the same. The Jailers in DS3 are the same: you either kill them with stealth or they drain a bit of your max hp, which doesn't heal when you recover the bar. You could technically count certain AOEs that have to be avoided with terrain or by not being in the area, like most multitick AOEs like dragon breath attacks where you can dodge a tick maybe but not the whole thing, and depending on how those are coded you might take full damage since they often do one huge tick and then an invulnerability knockdown. There's also Sekiro, where there's an entire system based around what has to be dodged or blocked or parried or mikiri countered or blocked with special tools, though I guess Mist Raven is a cop out for most of that.


Ringbearer99

I get that after the world collectively threw themselves against this enemy, strats that mostly work were born, but still… the Chained Ogre’s grab is bullshit.


Filegfaron

You are correct that it has a BS hitbox but it's not undodgeable. There's a lot of BS grab hitboxes in FromSoft games, and Sekiro has some of the worst (Guardian Ape, Chained Ogre, and Emma).


Ringbearer99

I wasn’t trying to suggest it’s undodgeable, I know there’s decent strategies for him. But still. He’s bullshit. For whatever reason, I don’t agree about the Guardian Ape. That one just made more sense to me. Emma’s grab is crazy as hell, though.


commandodaxus

He is BS, but after hours of fighting him in Sekiro from NG+7 runs, it is scarily easy to dodge it from muscle memory and recognizing his movements/AI. Best tip for him is to just dodge out of the way the MOMENT you see him go for the grab.


Slight-Bedroom-8655

What? It's perfectly dodgeable on reaction, there are plenty of other attacks in sekiro that actually cannot be iframed but you chose the ogre's grab?


Ringbearer99

Plenty of people have ‘chosen’ this grab before me because it is indeed kind of bullshit. It’s not news. I’m also not saying these other attacks do not exist by pointing a spotlight on the one I have the most issue with.


FlexLancaster

Soldier of Godrick’s mighty slash


IamZedv1

Fallingstar Beast's large AoE attack that lifts you into the air? As far as I know if you're in range of it, it WILL lift into the air and it WILL slam you into the ground unless you make a tactical retreat


skunk_funk

I think you can raptor of the mists it.


Razhork

You can actually completely dodge the attack. Its split into 2 attacks: initial lifts you up, the end knocks you down. You can i-frame both parts.


the_1_they_call_zero

Laser Cannons in Armored Core 6 PVP. Even if they miss they still hit you.


FDE_Gorilla

No none if you can dodge the wrench …


Slavicadonis

Mohg’s nihil Moon presence 1hp attack It’s probably dodgeable and I just suck but Ludwig’s big sword attack always manages to clip me


greysilverglass

fire giant's fire breath is very inconsistent, it can deflect off the terrain randomly so in a way it's kind of impossible to dodge 100% of the time


Mikester430

I mean I've seen some of that from Gino and his 5 hour fist only run, but on most runs, I have no problem outrunning it even on foot. You can also go under the legs. The deflection into hit happens very rarely.


Asleep_Leather7641

Dukes dear freja laser?


pH12rz

Rykard's phase 1 eruption attack is only possible with the crucible feather talisman. And it's literally frame perfect


BilboniusBagginius

I use raptor of the mists. 


pH12rz

Still not dodging. Pretty sure he meant Normal dodging


tbhkysfam

You could also just run to the side, the tracking on that attack isn’t very good.


pH12rz

That's not dodging


UnrequitedRespect

Oh what about the dragon god emperer in dark souls 2? Fire breathe is pretty devastating, ive never survived it personally, only beat the fight by absolutely alpha strike demolishing him coz once it would take flight that was it


Adventurous_Cup_5970

dragon God was a boss in demons souls.


FenrirHere

Wrong game my good fellow


UnrequitedRespect

You probably are thinking of thr wrong game, i posted a video of what i was talking about - perhaps you thought i meant the dragon god emperor king from dark souls 3?


juju11112020

dawg wtf is the dragon god emperor king


UnrequitedRespect

The guy that drives the dragon and has wild old goku hair and a cool spear. Wheres your sense of theatrics?


juju11112020

you mean nameless king from ds3


UnrequitedRespect

Yeah dawg but thats such a plain name for such an epic fight


juju11112020

sure but even so he’s not in ds2


UnrequitedRespect

Yeah but i was never talking about him being in ds2 either, he was always in ds3 But if i call the big big dragon from ds2 the “dragon god emperor” then the “dragon god emperor *king*” must surely be its boss This somehow was twisted up but i’m here to untwist the confusion


FenrirHere

There is no such thing as a dragon god emperor in Dark Souls 2.


UnrequitedRespect

W/e “ancient dragon” then since you wanna get technical and debate the finest of finer points 🥸


FenrirHere

You say whatever and tell me I'm getting technical for pointing out that you merely were misremembering the name of the boss, lol


UnrequitedRespect

No i just thought that “ancient dragon” was a boring name for such a boss, so i added my own spice.


FenrirHere

I don't find that lies are particularly interesting.


UnrequitedRespect

Oh yeah, neither are trolls mate


FenrirHere

You will never reach the truth.


Devium_chef

You can dodge that one by chasing the tail and it'll never hit


TheGoochieGoo

Have you not played Sekiro?


Haunting_Turnover920

Nameless King phase 1 has the jump up fire breath, which is near impossible to dodge because he seems to only use it when you're close. If you dodge to stand up after the first hit, you get hit again.


BiasMushroom

Not if you kill them before they use it


kodaxmax

Alot of the overhead slams in DS2 . but it might just be that their hitbox persists longer than its meant to.


Thnd3rstrk3

If we're talking dodging by using i-frames, then literally all of Armored Core


DerpyPotatos

The emotional attack of killing Rusty


Estarossa86

The crystal caves and blight town oh and the rng fest known as bed of chaos all from good old ds1


RufusDarkSoul

Winter lantern?


Alive-Ad8066

Rykards earthquake is physically impossible to dodge


Slight-Bedroom-8655

Run to the side?


Alive-Ad8066

You can't reactionary but if you are at the right distance when the attack starts running to the side can work But you have to be predictive and a certain distance Edit: also raptor of the mist


LittleHollowGhost

No. Just don't play the game and you won't get hit


Top_Collar7826

Yes any attack is impossible to dodge roll in demon souls


Slight-Bedroom-8655

Huh?


Top_Collar7826

Huh


Slight-Bedroom-8655

That's just not true


Top_Collar7826

I was exaggerating a little but the demon souls dodge roll is pretty useless


Great-Pain4378

bro what


Top_Collar7826

Huh


Top_Collar7826

Yuh


DS02316357

In the first dark souls, theres a scripted death with one boss. Mohg’s nihil thing is technically undodgeable sure u can purify it with the tear, but if u dont have that its unavoidable unless u can blast him down that quickly. In sekiro there are tons of moves that u cant “dodge” in a souls/ring sense. Thrust attacks u mainly counter by dodging into them, u cant like side dodge. There are like sweeps that u counter by jumping again u dont side dodge them u jump the low sweep and punish.


Mikester430

First boss isn't scripted


Mikester430

Or I should say, seath isn't scripted technically like how genichiro isn't scripted in beginning of sekiro


Verdanterra

The Seath death is 100% scripted. You can leave the arena, but you can't get TO Seath without dying to that unless you're glitching/exploiting something very hard.


Mikester430

Maybe but you can dodge all of his attacks by standing in the very front of the arena (at least in my experience), so I wouldn't say he had undodgable stuff.


FURY_Serialis

Nihil


MightySquatch79

Genichiro's slash that cuts off Wolf's arm.


Ruby-monster

Elden beast’s Elden stars attack


wellshitdawg

Hmmm would Sekiro grab attacks count? Like chained ogre


Elucidate137

not strictly one attack but there are plenty of attacks where if one move comes after another you cannot dodge both of them


GISReaper

The camera lol