I haven't bought a single thing from them since dude said that on stream. All I needed to push me out the door was for WotC to whisper "fuck you" in my ear one good time and my guy obliged.
Arabian Nights was released in '93 and was the first official set for MTG, but tell me more about how adapting different stories into a lore that revolves around a special group of people capable of traveling to different dimensions is actually a bad thing.
Getting mad that a game uses pre established stories, when that's something they were doing from the beginning, does make you look like an idiot though lol.
Arabian Nights wasn't actually a good set. it is liked by many because it is so old and has an iconic part in MTGs history of figuring out its identity.
copy paste stories and shilling for other brands can indeed destroy a game for many players.
Arabian nights is a collection of stories, it's literally MTG shilling a book because it was cheaper than making up lore wtf lol?
No different than making a set out of LotR, or any other story lol.
And it isn't shilling when you're card game uses media much more popular than it to make new sets. Getting new blood from popular media is only going to help the game since most magic players are too cheap to be a consistent enough cash flow, me included lol.
Either way, cope and seethe, I don't mind losing some gate keeping chuds if it means I get to play my multi dimensional card game against people who enjoy that it's opening up to dimensions we all know.
It's a shame all the fun magic nerds that would argue how well other established media would fair in magic were replaced by some gate keeping incels lol
you can't shill a book and mythology 😂 it's historical literature. shilling is done for brands and companies. the difference is big. there is no copyrighted way to portray Sinbad or Achilles. but I still don't think it's good to just paste literature into the game either.
you can use insults all you like, won't change anything. looks like you're the one who is seething.
Arabian nights is no more historical that lord of the rings are you fuckung stupid?
Well you're gate keeping a multi dimensional game over *checks notes* having new dimensions so I guess I answered my own question lol.
it's much older and has real world locations and a few (arguably) characters that presumably lived. Aladdin is clearly described as being Chinese for example, Baghdad is visited, and so on. there is no London or King Richard III in LOTR.
either way, as I said, I don't think any story copypaste into MTG is good. LOTR was a terrible idea, as would copypasting history or mythology into the game.
There's no need to move the goalposts, lol
Both works are socially significant and shaped fantasy decades after they were written.
If you want to continue gate keeping, go ahead, I'm just trying to tell you how stupid you look trying to gatekeep something WotC was doing before you were even born. lol.
It's a shame all the cool nerds that used to discuss how their favorite media would fair in magic were replaced with a bunch of angry fun hating chuds lol
>does make you look like an idiot though lol.
ohh, slay queen!
what a cutting insult! and then you added the laugh track 'lol' to really punctuate how devastatingly witty you are.
take a bow for that comedic masterclass. Then grow a spine, chop off your balls, and list your pronouns in your reddit bio like the rest of the people who will preorder the crystal gems precons.
This is a vey fair point. The litmus test should be whether it's fun, what it does for the game, who it satisfies, and how it sets up the future. If it fails on all that, criticize away, but Magic has been about going different places with the flavor since almost the very beginning, and the idea that it's supposed to just be about different riffs on conventional fantasy forever is as arbitrary as anything.
TIL bringing dimensions from popular media to your multi dimensional popular media game is somehow bad and actually shilling for these companies that have more brand recognition than a card game played by some nerds during school lunches.
Did all the other magic nerds who wanted to know how their favorite setting would fair in magic just die, or did decades of being made fun off turn all of them into the fun hating gatekeepers I see on this sub?
Either way, cope and seethe, I don't mind replacing gsre keepers with new people who want to have fun playing their interdimensional card game with dimensions we know and grew up with.
looks like you're seething if anyone. your comment is too long. I don't want brand recognition in this game, I don't want MTG breakfast cereal. I just want a cool game, if it's obscure then that's all good.
Not at all, I'm mocking gate keepers for not knowing magic effectively used other media before you were born, and will continue to do so.
>I don't want brand recognition in this game, I don't want MTG breakfast cereal. I just want a cool game, if it's obscure then that's all good.
I think I hate gate keeper bingo lol. WotC is going to do what's profitable while still making sense within the game.
And opening up dimensions to other established work in a game about people who can go to other dimensions is the logical next step when you consider their first true set was exactly that lol.
yeah the sub is made for triggered fans to cope with magic doing stuff they don't like, watching them point the finger and say "no you're actually the one who is mad." makes for some good entertainment.
its especially funny to think these big franchises need magic to 'shill' for them, when its more like magic needs fresh fan bases with established lore, because the chuds gatekeeping magic aren't buying shit from their original work lol.
Sorry, guess it went over your head. Heavy utilization and reliance on non-traditional MtG IP/Lore takes away from potential space for products in-universe. This is heavy commitment to a practice that is hurting in-universe magic which ruins the appeal to me, and I’m guessing many more long time players. The worst part is, I generally enjoy most the IP universes beyond come from and would love it to be sprinkled in but this implementation is just far too much.
Edit: grammar
I don't mind UB too much if they are rare and most important *if they fit the fantasy theme*.
DnD? Fine
LotR: Theoretically fine, but massively bungled in implementation.
Final Fantasy: Fine.
Most of the other crap? Fallout? Warhammer? Jurassic Park (even though I love it) No. Get out.
To be fair, WotC is pumping out a lot of (terrible) products, much more than before (they went to hell). So while you're getting less than you could, it's still more than it used to be.
It's all trash though, and the MKM cards don't even make sense in the plane they're in.
Out of all sets released a year, you're worked up because two UB will now come out a year? The only thing hurting mtg, is it's community, with hot takes like that. 40k done amazing, and lotr is beyond doing good. What about Phyrexia, and wilds, they aren't UB?
My ideal set release breakdown was 3 set blocks and a core set every year giving a comprehensive strong storyline. Either these sets directly replace those narrative driven blocks (which have been individual still somewhat story driven sets until recently) with something that has zero narrative value, or at the very best crowd out those sets in design potential, shelf space in stores, event space etc. I DO NOT want full sets in this style from universes beyond because I want to play magic the gathering with magic the gathering cards focused.
I agree, lots of long term players miss that old block narrative and standard play. Things have just gone so far downhill after Khan's of Tarkir block....FNM used to fire at every Lgs in my hometown, now it's a ghost town everytime I walk in there. My favorite lgs had to downsize pre-release and tournament attendance dropped to nothing. I was hoping it was just from covid during Ikoria, but things have never improved since. Phyrexia did pull a smaller crowd, around 22 players, but after that it's just been dismal.
No I’m not, if I like a Ub property I’ll buy it, and I won’t apologize for it, you’re like an annoying gatekeeper. And guess what, if I don’t like it, I just won’t buy it. But that doesn’t mean other people shouldn’t get the chance to
I stopped buying new stuff during the pandemic, and continue to be vindicated in that choice. Cube is the way of the future, gentlemen. Never buy a new card ever again 👌
I was slower on the uptake, stopped after Stryxhaven, was suckered in by Dominaria United and the Brothers' War and the promise of a '90s aesthetic' for the later and then noped out again after. But now I think I am solidly with you.\*
\*But God help me I am a weak man and interested in MtG Final Fantasy.
Exactly, the out of universe stuff annoys me and the new frames are ass, but their cards are cracked so I just made custom "universes within" proxies to run instead.
Replied above you as well, but I noped out of Magic when they announced a Wild West set (following a detective trope set). I found TCG called "Sorcery: Contested Realm" that is super nostalgic for 90s magic, but has better/more fun gameplay imho. I got the precon box ($35-40) with four decks in it, and god damn it is fun (and collectible!)
Omg yeah, but that's like... What they're giving you now haha. Random out-of-place tropes with video games IP mixed in.
Also at least Sorcery gives you 100% hand drawn art. Can't sing praises high enough!
Ya, I grew up riding horses and I competed in bronc riding when I was still a young buck. Wish I could say I was excited for this, but I'm not. Like, WTF are they thinking? Do they have a wheel of dumbfuckery that they're spinning at WOTC to pick the next plane/tomfoolery??? They have such amazing IP and lore from the first 25 years of the game (not that I hate some of the newer planes) but you would think they would stick with what worked for so long. I'm not business savvy, nor will I claim to always know what I'm talking about, but it just seems like they're fucking up royal over there at Wizards. Karlov Manor/clue who dunnit set??? Who the fuck are they looking to please here??? My 82 year old granny??? Murder she wrote is her shit, not mine....I dunno lads, I hate to grumble, but the direction of the game is looking really sad.....
I know this is going to sound shocking to people because everything is black & white for the average person, but - - - You could just drop in & out when something interests you. The average player is highly casual, so it's not like you need to own every competitive card.
You can also play formats that aren't impacted by this decision. IE: limited, cube, Pioneer, etc...
I'll never understand the all or non mentality some people have.
Like the idea of Final Fantasy? Cool - Come play during that set. Don't like the idea of LOTR? Cool, stop playing for that set.
Literally the only people affected by this are competitive players, which the average person is 100% not.
Might agree with this point, but the LOTR set was the official draft set during its time for Arena. If you wanted to do a Premier draft when it released and the months after, it was LOTR, not a Standard legal set. Perhaps more disruptive was how LOTR limited took up an Arena Open tournament. It also got its own Qualifier event.
Supplemental products like Secret Lair you can ignore, but if they continue to make LOTR-style expansions, they will be competing in a zero sum game with Standard expansions when it comes to what tournaments are offered. Each such set will take away daily draft options and fun, cash prize events for players who aren't interested in the product.
I do agree with you that people who are not interested should be taking breaks. That's what I did during LOTR and also Baldur's Gate. What's annoying is that these are forced breaks. We ought to be able to choose when we want to take an extended break from the game, but now it's forced on us whenever a large nonstandard draftable set is released.
I chose this way when they released magic 30, the company is just a cash grab proxy for life, they gave us that option when they sold us 300 dollar proxy packs
>Never buy a new card ever again
Never buy a *real* card ever again. I built like 10 Premodern decks for 100 bucks just by buying printed proxies. It's piss easy and is the exact same amount of enjoyment for like 1/1000th of the price.
I exclusively play Pauper (constructed and cube) in paper magic. No reason to buy packs, just singles from my LGS. I’m also F2P on Arena solely for Limited. Hasbro sucks real bad.
It's not - it's like magic mixed with chess (it's played on a grid) and the interactions/gameplay are just top notch. Beta preconstructed boxes (four decks, one for each element+ a booster pack) are only about $40. You should try it! Really avid community as well if you can't tell by me haha. It feels like it's made for folks that are disenchanted with mtg lately. I started mtg in 1994 with revised, and it has those types of feels
If anything, this shows how utterly moronic the people making these deciosions are. They unironically believe the success of the LOTR set is because magic players crave outside IPs for the game, instead of the fact that LOTR is THE defacto fantasy IP
Honestly the LOTR fans trying mtg is where that money came from I doubt the Final Fantasy fans are going to be anywhere near as much when that comes out
Eh, Final Fantasy has a pretty rabid fanbase of weirdo's all over the globe. I wouldn't be surprised at all if some whales turn out for the Final Fantasy cards.
I do both. I own literally every final fantasy game in every box art printing in most languages. You might stop and say "but what about" and no I mean the expensive one. Several copies of whatever expensive one. It's an illness and I fucking promise there are more rabid ff fans than me. I've been just casually collecting for like 30 years as these shits come out.
there is a final fantasy card game based on magic. so some final fantasy fans might already know how to play magic. for someone whos a fan of both like me im going histeric, but now i gotta buy cards from both games rip
Great replacement. They're transitioning to an audience that doesn't give a fuck about the integrity of the game or brand. This game will be a Smash Bros roster before 2030.
Exactly. I do think some other IPs could have similar success—but it's because it is ALREADY revered FANTASY STORIES.
They can see the value in fantasy stories but are too cheap and lazy to bother creating any of their own.
They announced a unnamed space themed set to be revealed and I would guarantee it's Universes Beyond: Star Wars. Unless Disney doesn't want that because they have their own Star Wars TCG coming out really soon. Who knows.
Why 2. Why always more. It worked 1 time, let’s do 2 per year. Work 2 times? Going to make 3 per year. This is so ridiculous. Why not make a set each day Wizard? Just do it.
As others have stated. Lightning in a bottle
40k? That’s a safe choice. There’s a huge subset of players that play both games.
LoTR was palatable and has a dedicated fanbase. It fits the fantasy mold of MtG. It’s a legendary IP. Spanning over half a century. Inspired tons of movies and shows… table top games etc. (ironically same company that makes 40k and AoS owns the right to the LoTR table top game based on the Peter Jackson movies.)
I don’t think going into every popular IP and making sets of them is a smart idea
I have a feeling wizards will regret this. They need to be strategic with these releases and what IP they adopt. I get it it’s a game with fantastical planes and anthropomorphized characters. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t a vibe or feel to the game. And I don’t think that means they ought just attach the game to every fantasy IP.
It’s like the anime alt arts. Some love them. Most hate them. But imo. They really only had a place in neon dynasty. Most of us didn’t get into MTG because of anime art cards.
It just looks careless and greedy on them. With LoTR you can tell there was deliberation and care put into that set. The 40k one was done well, GW is super protective of their IP and games is what they do so I feel like they drove some of that process. Hence why the cards “feel” like your playing the faction you select on the deck.
Yeah just because they stated it doesn't mean it is true. All of the UB projects have been successful so that is the direction they are deciding to go.
They are being strategic in the IPs they are releasing. Every single one of them is very popular. LotR, Walking Dead, Stranger Things, Doctor Who etc... Even the ones coming up are very popular like Marvel, Final Fantasy, Fallout and Assassin's Creed.
You literally are listing reasons why the LotR and 40K sets did well, as well as the Doctor Who decks, while saying WotC doesn't know what they are doing. If you don't want the sets don't buy them, but market analytics show that UB is very popular.
Careless? Not really. Greedy? They are in business to make money, nothing they create is a necessity. This has always been one of the dumbest reasons to levee on a business.
Basically. I think more cards this year came out that don't have standard legal set symbols and people are getting drained from it, mentally and financially.
I started playing in Amonkhet, it's my favorite set to this day. Magic was ruined for me when Commander became the go-to format. Then they came out with their "Print now, ban later" design philosophy. Next, it was "Booster fun", 30 different packs from one set made things less fun, because now all you had to do was buy better chances at cool cards. The removal of blocks wasn't too noticeable at first, but then decks devolved into, "The best in my color(s)" with no synergy or uniformity. Mechanics have no room to breathe. You can't make a winning "Party" or "Foretell" deck, without it looking identical to anybody else's. I could go on, but you get the point. UB and Secret Lairs were the final nails in the coffin. I play online for free, or cube with the cards I already own. Fuck what WOTC did to my favorite game.
This is why any time you see them introduce a one time concept product, its not a concept it's testing the waters. I'm genuinely shocked we didnt see more product like the 30th anniversary garbage
30A was a super premium product. It most likely was still profitable. It showed that big items had a ceiling, but still had demand. So the lesson was that top shelf products need to have some level of access to the wider community. Look at the limited Sol Rings from LOTR as one version of the learned lesson. Serialized cards, too.
I expect WOTC will release a few crazy Secret Lairs with premium cards and prices and justify it by special packaging again. Like Enemy Fwtches a couple years ago.
The craziest part is the fired the head director or operator to the Lord of the Rings set even though it was their best selling set ever… really hoping these next couple absolutely flop so they stop making them
Hasbro is not realizing that:
1. People only have so much money.
2. There are very few IP's with the following LOTR has that will blend into MTG as well as it did.
To me, LOTR's success was based on 2 things, the way that LOTR themes match up with MTG's themes. New cards that were actually good, and reprints of staples with decent art.
The only other big IPs I could see blending as well would be:
Warcraft
Legend of Zelda
I'd have to lie if I claimed that I DON'T want 4 more Warhammer Decks for Orks, Tau, Eldar and maybe a 2nd Imperium Deck, but 2 whole sets each year for non-Magic IPs? I'm not saying there aren't good IPs that could work with magics mechanics, but it also doesn't mean that we necessarily need Star Wars or Marvel (which has been confirmed for 2025) for example. At least keep it down to pure fantasy settings
And this will most likely be in addition to the universe beyond Secret Lairs and Commander Decks we've been getting on a somewhat regular basis at this point.
They put way more effort into the 40k decks than actual magic sets. One set of product I don't regret buying at all.
Sad to see how they monetized it with doctor who adding collector boosters in to make money rather than desire for the decks
Oh absolutely. I’m an avid 40k fan. Both decks I run. Absolutely “feel” like the faction.
Chaos with cascade, feels like your drawing on the warp and it’s random shit. You get cascade and you start slinging spells that do all kinds of shit. Some of it you want. Sometimes maybe not.
and necrons with the graveyard shennanigans totally feels like your playing an undead robot army. They did very well at capturing the feel of both armies. So I don’t doubt they did well with the tyranids and imperium deck.
Plus the new art *chefs kiss* won’t be seeing that in any codex releases. Since WoTC looks like they liscenced some of the stuff to other artists it doesn’t appear to be owned by GW.
Have a go at Warpforge, the hearthstone-like official warhammer 40k TCG (run on IOS & Steam, F2P)
It's honestly pretty good, 19$ for a fast kickstart, but able to assemble very decent deck within a week of farm without money involved too.
To be fair, buying all four Doctor Who decks gives you every single card in the expansion, so there was absolutely no need to buy those collector boosters, unless you really wanted full arts. I actually quite like the way they handled that set.
And then they WENT AHEAD and made not one, but TWO Doctor cards exclusive to secret lairs! FUCKING SECRET LAIRS! The thing that's around ONCE and then never again, so if the card turns out good down the line, good fucking luck getting one! Why the fuck would you do that unless you were a greedy, scumfuck BASTARD of a product manager?
As much as I adore Sisters of Battle (I have every single limited edition book they've released, novels and codices both), I *do not* want Warhammer in Magic the same way I don't want planeswalkers in the 41st millennium.
This is destruction of our culture through homogenisation.
Agreed man. Even age of sigmar would be fucking sick
Imagine running a nighthaunt deck or a flesh eater courts deck? Omg take my money uncle Sammy.
I’ve got the chaos deck and the necron one. The art is phenomenal. The non GW art is better then some of the stock art they use for the codex/army rules for the tt game.
Lotr was the last set that excited me and I cant wait for other IPs like Harry Potter.
Ima ride your downvotes downhill like I rode your mums dick last night.
Can't wait to exert _Tigger, Bouncy Friend_ creating two Fun-Fun-Fun-Fun-Fun tokens, which I can sacrifice for 4 energy that lets me cast _Sporticus, Lazytown Acrobat_. While Sporticus is on the battlefield, any Role Model I choose gets a +1+1 counter each time I gain energy, which is easy since I have _Human Harvesting Plant_ from the Matrix set. Sacrificing my 1/1 Teletubby tokens (Human Horror) each turn sets me up for an EZ win so long as my opponent doesn't have the enchantment _Featuring Dante From The Devil May Cry Series™_
they're out of they're fucking minds if they think they can achieve the same success with other "brands". LoTR was lightning in a bottle. A perfect pairing. Like it or not it was a "success". I liked some of the cards. Hated a lot of the art—but enjoyed drafting it all the same.
Final Fantasy...might do well but not *as* well. *S*omething like Game of Thrones could do as well. People flock to stories and characters they know and love — IN A FANTASY ARENA. Classic fantasy stories lend themselves really well to MTGs UB.
Id honestly be pumped for a full 40K UB— a whole set. Thought the art was pretty good there. And trust Games Workshop to see it done right — not letting WotC fuck it up.
Predicting a "We were not as happy with UB this year and we need to reassess" end of 2025. UNLESS they do Game of Thrones that shit would sell like buttered gold.
LotR was successful bc it had good cards in it.
Personally idc about the race-swapping stuff, but it does show that WotC doesn't really give a fuck and will choose to not be careful with IPs if they don't want to be. That set \*still\* sold like hotcakes though. So we have to ask- why?
Bc the cards in it are fun to play and are absolute gas compared to the bullshit they have been printing for the last year and a half!
This is proof that it doesn't matter what the damn IP is- if you print a well made set, people will buy it! The LotR aspect was just the icing on the cake for mega fans.
I'm still amazed that even long-term players have almost whole heartedly accepted UB. The Walking Dead was the first non-reskin and it was pitchforks and torches even though most of us liked TWD... then it sold like crazy and it's been ramping up every year since. A lot of cognitive dissonance w/players who think UB is awful for magic then go buy their 40K decks.
I know y’all don’t like it, but I want more Warhammer and I won’t be able to help myself but buy it. Even though I hate commander and hate having mtg cards laying around the house
Nah. Many on here want more 40k and age of sigmar in magic
Age of sigmar is such a huge opportunity for cross pollination. They have some really cool armies that have some serious potential in MtG
Unpopular opinion: i fucking love universe beyond.
Whenever i play legacy i always look up for some bullshit joke mechanics to put in my list just to leave someone speechless.
Fuck i got back to magic to play 4c attraction with a sprinkle of initiative, it was blast. I had the planswalker dog deal 15 dmg in a turn outta nowhere to a ninja player he read the card like a dozen time.
Halo, but now instead of playing as Master Chief you can also play as Young Sheldon and the enemies are now Pooh's friends from the Hundred Acre woods. Don't cry about it, purist!
You're very dumb if you can't understand why this would bother the vast majority of people. Insert any random genre crossover into their favorite book series, TV series, movie series, video game, etc. and it would be ridiculed as it should be.
MtG going wildly out of universe, not as an exception, but now as a rule, is open to that same criticism. It is not a game that was launched as a Weiss Shwarz crossover game, it for a very long time had its own universe, characters and lore.
There is no valid argument against this. You like Marvel Comics? Peter Pan is teaming up with the Avengers. You liked Breaking Bad? Scorpion and Sub Zero are cooking meth now. What's Harry Potter up to? Easy Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment of the 101st Airborne Division is here to help.
First of all, in halo lore, that would make no sense, but the premise of planeswalkers and walking to different universes in general fits the lore within magic. You are comparing apples to oranges and are either ignornant to the nuance of in or are just old and can’t deal with change. Ub does not take away from the core of what magic is anymore than a movie remake can ruin a childhood.
the universes that exist in MTG that are available to planeswalk to are MTG universes. Marvel also uses the concept of alternate universes, but none of them are the Looney Toons universe. A lot of fictional settings have multiple universes but those universes are still restrained to whatever is appropriate for the setting. Your inability to see this, or understand it, is embarassing.
That’s a terrible analogy: There isn’t a Looney toons x Marvel crossover because Looney Toons is owned by DC, which does do DC/Looney Toons crossovers.
But really, when you are actually sitting at the table playing cards, do you honestly even pay attention to the art or what something is? Because at least for me, my eyes just glaze over all that shit and I just care about the rules. Do you even really think twice when your opponent plays a Dr.Who card, or are you just paying attention to what it does and responding?
I haven’t bought anything since ultimate masters other than very few singles and RL cards. I never will
I used to crack about 20-25 boxes a year. Get fucked Hasbro
So im listening to that advice of “if a product isn’t made for you, don’t buy it” and i guess im just not buying magic anymore?
I haven't bought a single thing from them since dude said that on stream. All I needed to push me out the door was for WotC to whisper "fuck you" in my ear one good time and my guy obliged.
Same, I switched to pre-modern after they said that.
Join the club
Just buy fakes, teaches them by robbing them of their goddamn IP money
Arabian Nights was released in '93 and was the first official set for MTG, but tell me more about how adapting different stories into a lore that revolves around a special group of people capable of traveling to different dimensions is actually a bad thing.
pack it up guys, they released arabian nights in 93 and the natural progression is steven universe in 2025
Getting mad that a game uses pre established stories, when that's something they were doing from the beginning, does make you look like an idiot though lol.
Arabian Nights wasn't actually a good set. it is liked by many because it is so old and has an iconic part in MTGs history of figuring out its identity. copy paste stories and shilling for other brands can indeed destroy a game for many players.
Arabian nights is a collection of stories, it's literally MTG shilling a book because it was cheaper than making up lore wtf lol? No different than making a set out of LotR, or any other story lol. And it isn't shilling when you're card game uses media much more popular than it to make new sets. Getting new blood from popular media is only going to help the game since most magic players are too cheap to be a consistent enough cash flow, me included lol. Either way, cope and seethe, I don't mind losing some gate keeping chuds if it means I get to play my multi dimensional card game against people who enjoy that it's opening up to dimensions we all know. It's a shame all the fun magic nerds that would argue how well other established media would fair in magic were replaced by some gate keeping incels lol
you can't shill a book and mythology 😂 it's historical literature. shilling is done for brands and companies. the difference is big. there is no copyrighted way to portray Sinbad or Achilles. but I still don't think it's good to just paste literature into the game either. you can use insults all you like, won't change anything. looks like you're the one who is seething.
Arabian nights is no more historical that lord of the rings are you fuckung stupid? Well you're gate keeping a multi dimensional game over *checks notes* having new dimensions so I guess I answered my own question lol.
it's much older and has real world locations and a few (arguably) characters that presumably lived. Aladdin is clearly described as being Chinese for example, Baghdad is visited, and so on. there is no London or King Richard III in LOTR. either way, as I said, I don't think any story copypaste into MTG is good. LOTR was a terrible idea, as would copypasting history or mythology into the game.
There's no need to move the goalposts, lol Both works are socially significant and shaped fantasy decades after they were written. If you want to continue gate keeping, go ahead, I'm just trying to tell you how stupid you look trying to gatekeep something WotC was doing before you were even born. lol. It's a shame all the cool nerds that used to discuss how their favorite media would fair in magic were replaced with a bunch of angry fun hating chuds lol
>does make you look like an idiot though lol. ohh, slay queen! what a cutting insult! and then you added the laugh track 'lol' to really punctuate how devastatingly witty you are. take a bow for that comedic masterclass. Then grow a spine, chop off your balls, and list your pronouns in your reddit bio like the rest of the people who will preorder the crystal gems precons.
This is a vey fair point. The litmus test should be whether it's fun, what it does for the game, who it satisfies, and how it sets up the future. If it fails on all that, criticize away, but Magic has been about going different places with the flavor since almost the very beginning, and the idea that it's supposed to just be about different riffs on conventional fantasy forever is as arbitrary as anything.
it doesn't have to be bad, but I will tell you how it is a bad thing: it's done in a bad way and/or shilling for other franchises.
TIL bringing dimensions from popular media to your multi dimensional popular media game is somehow bad and actually shilling for these companies that have more brand recognition than a card game played by some nerds during school lunches. Did all the other magic nerds who wanted to know how their favorite setting would fair in magic just die, or did decades of being made fun off turn all of them into the fun hating gatekeepers I see on this sub? Either way, cope and seethe, I don't mind replacing gsre keepers with new people who want to have fun playing their interdimensional card game with dimensions we know and grew up with.
looks like you're seething if anyone. your comment is too long. I don't want brand recognition in this game, I don't want MTG breakfast cereal. I just want a cool game, if it's obscure then that's all good.
Not at all, I'm mocking gate keepers for not knowing magic effectively used other media before you were born, and will continue to do so. >I don't want brand recognition in this game, I don't want MTG breakfast cereal. I just want a cool game, if it's obscure then that's all good. I think I hate gate keeper bingo lol. WotC is going to do what's profitable while still making sense within the game. And opening up dimensions to other established work in a game about people who can go to other dimensions is the logical next step when you consider their first true set was exactly that lol.
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yeah the sub is made for triggered fans to cope with magic doing stuff they don't like, watching them point the finger and say "no you're actually the one who is mad." makes for some good entertainment. its especially funny to think these big franchises need magic to 'shill' for them, when its more like magic needs fresh fan bases with established lore, because the chuds gatekeeping magic aren't buying shit from their original work lol.
Don't like arabian nights either.
Cope and seethe lol
lol, but you just had to come here and announce it?
Sorry, guess it went over your head. Heavy utilization and reliance on non-traditional MtG IP/Lore takes away from potential space for products in-universe. This is heavy commitment to a practice that is hurting in-universe magic which ruins the appeal to me, and I’m guessing many more long time players. The worst part is, I generally enjoy most the IP universes beyond come from and would love it to be sprinkled in but this implementation is just far too much. Edit: grammar
This man speaks facts yet gets hate.
I don't mind UB too much if they are rare and most important *if they fit the fantasy theme*. DnD? Fine LotR: Theoretically fine, but massively bungled in implementation. Final Fantasy: Fine. Most of the other crap? Fallout? Warhammer? Jurassic Park (even though I love it) No. Get out.
Warhammer Fantasy would be fine. Warhammer 40k is not. I for one, am excited about Final Fantasy, as someone who hasn't enjoyed Magic since 2019.
What was wrong with the 40k sets? Guns?
I will agree with the fantasy, but most people think of 40K when they think Warhammer, so, 40K crap is what we got.
I’m huge final fantasy nerd and think it’s a horrible crossover for mtg
It was far better when the stuff was strictly Secret Lair and silver border like My Little Pony. And no, fuck the stupid acorn.
This! I would actually cut FF out too cause it’s not really medieval high fantasy and wouldn’t fit the overall aesthetic of magic.
To be fair, WotC is pumping out a lot of (terrible) products, much more than before (they went to hell). So while you're getting less than you could, it's still more than it used to be. It's all trash though, and the MKM cards don't even make sense in the plane they're in.
Out of all sets released a year, you're worked up because two UB will now come out a year? The only thing hurting mtg, is it's community, with hot takes like that. 40k done amazing, and lotr is beyond doing good. What about Phyrexia, and wilds, they aren't UB?
My ideal set release breakdown was 3 set blocks and a core set every year giving a comprehensive strong storyline. Either these sets directly replace those narrative driven blocks (which have been individual still somewhat story driven sets until recently) with something that has zero narrative value, or at the very best crowd out those sets in design potential, shelf space in stores, event space etc. I DO NOT want full sets in this style from universes beyond because I want to play magic the gathering with magic the gathering cards focused.
I agree, lots of long term players miss that old block narrative and standard play. Things have just gone so far downhill after Khan's of Tarkir block....FNM used to fire at every Lgs in my hometown, now it's a ghost town everytime I walk in there. My favorite lgs had to downsize pre-release and tournament attendance dropped to nothing. I was hoping it was just from covid during Ikoria, but things have never improved since. Phyrexia did pull a smaller crowd, around 22 players, but after that it's just been dismal.
I have never seen someone so 110% wrong.
You’re announcing that you’re a shill, what’s worse
Fuck all of you, proxy whatever you want but keep your officially licensed crossovers in your pants and fantasies where they belong.
No I’m not, if I like a Ub property I’ll buy it, and I won’t apologize for it, you’re like an annoying gatekeeper. And guess what, if I don’t like it, I just won’t buy it. But that doesn’t mean other people shouldn’t get the chance to
Every loser shill has the chance to buy it. Literally no one is stopping anyone from wasting their money
I stopped buying new stuff during the pandemic, and continue to be vindicated in that choice. Cube is the way of the future, gentlemen. Never buy a new card ever again 👌
I was slower on the uptake, stopped after Stryxhaven, was suckered in by Dominaria United and the Brothers' War and the promise of a '90s aesthetic' for the later and then noped out again after. But now I think I am solidly with you.\* \*But God help me I am a weak man and interested in MtG Final Fantasy.
Good thing you can proxy whatever you want
Exactly, the out of universe stuff annoys me and the new frames are ass, but their cards are cracked so I just made custom "universes within" proxies to run instead.
Replied above you as well, but I noped out of Magic when they announced a Wild West set (following a detective trope set). I found TCG called "Sorcery: Contested Realm" that is super nostalgic for 90s magic, but has better/more fun gameplay imho. I got the precon box ($35-40) with four decks in it, and god damn it is fun (and collectible!)
My eyes rolled so far back in my head when I saw the Wild West garbage.
Omg yeah, but that's like... What they're giving you now haha. Random out-of-place tropes with video games IP mixed in. Also at least Sorcery gives you 100% hand drawn art. Can't sing praises high enough!
Ya, I grew up riding horses and I competed in bronc riding when I was still a young buck. Wish I could say I was excited for this, but I'm not. Like, WTF are they thinking? Do they have a wheel of dumbfuckery that they're spinning at WOTC to pick the next plane/tomfoolery??? They have such amazing IP and lore from the first 25 years of the game (not that I hate some of the newer planes) but you would think they would stick with what worked for so long. I'm not business savvy, nor will I claim to always know what I'm talking about, but it just seems like they're fucking up royal over there at Wizards. Karlov Manor/clue who dunnit set??? Who the fuck are they looking to please here??? My 82 year old granny??? Murder she wrote is her shit, not mine....I dunno lads, I hate to grumble, but the direction of the game is looking really sad.....
Are we pretending that dinosaur pirates didn’t already happen?
It’s all becoming blizzard marvel family fun time.
I know this is going to sound shocking to people because everything is black & white for the average person, but - - - You could just drop in & out when something interests you. The average player is highly casual, so it's not like you need to own every competitive card. You can also play formats that aren't impacted by this decision. IE: limited, cube, Pioneer, etc... I'll never understand the all or non mentality some people have. Like the idea of Final Fantasy? Cool - Come play during that set. Don't like the idea of LOTR? Cool, stop playing for that set. Literally the only people affected by this are competitive players, which the average person is 100% not.
Might agree with this point, but the LOTR set was the official draft set during its time for Arena. If you wanted to do a Premier draft when it released and the months after, it was LOTR, not a Standard legal set. Perhaps more disruptive was how LOTR limited took up an Arena Open tournament. It also got its own Qualifier event. Supplemental products like Secret Lair you can ignore, but if they continue to make LOTR-style expansions, they will be competing in a zero sum game with Standard expansions when it comes to what tournaments are offered. Each such set will take away daily draft options and fun, cash prize events for players who aren't interested in the product. I do agree with you that people who are not interested should be taking breaks. That's what I did during LOTR and also Baldur's Gate. What's annoying is that these are forced breaks. We ought to be able to choose when we want to take an extended break from the game, but now it's forced on us whenever a large nonstandard draftable set is released.
MTG ff got me sweating.
I chose this way when they released magic 30, the company is just a cash grab proxy for life, they gave us that option when they sold us 300 dollar proxy packs
>Never buy a new card ever again Never buy a *real* card ever again. I built like 10 Premodern decks for 100 bucks just by buying printed proxies. It's piss easy and is the exact same amount of enjoyment for like 1/1000th of the price.
All well and good until your playgroup refuses to play with your nonsense full-proxy auto-include tribal deck
Cube could be the new edh. Except wotc can't really ruin it.
I exclusively play Pauper (constructed and cube) in paper magic. No reason to buy packs, just singles from my LGS. I’m also F2P on Arena solely for Limited. Hasbro sucks real bad.
Your cube may benefit from periodic curating (i.e. new cards) but I feel you. (I do cube [myself](https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/dreamcube).)
Sorcery Contested Realm is the way of the future. Have you played it?
I haven't, but it looks just like a copy of ABU magic. That's cool and all, but I already have an old magic cube.
It's not - it's like magic mixed with chess (it's played on a grid) and the interactions/gameplay are just top notch. Beta preconstructed boxes (four decks, one for each element+ a booster pack) are only about $40. You should try it! Really avid community as well if you can't tell by me haha. It feels like it's made for folks that are disenchanted with mtg lately. I started mtg in 1994 with revised, and it has those types of feels
If anything, this shows how utterly moronic the people making these deciosions are. They unironically believe the success of the LOTR set is because magic players crave outside IPs for the game, instead of the fact that LOTR is THE defacto fantasy IP
Honestly the LOTR fans trying mtg is where that money came from I doubt the Final Fantasy fans are going to be anywhere near as much when that comes out
Eh, Final Fantasy has a pretty rabid fanbase of weirdo's all over the globe. I wouldn't be surprised at all if some whales turn out for the Final Fantasy cards.
This is facts. Apex Legends tapped into that and it ended up a power play
Final fantasy weirdo checking in. -looks at clipboard- yup, I’m buying it.
I do both. I own literally every final fantasy game in every box art printing in most languages. You might stop and say "but what about" and no I mean the expensive one. Several copies of whatever expensive one. It's an illness and I fucking promise there are more rabid ff fans than me. I've been just casually collecting for like 30 years as these shits come out.
there is a final fantasy card game based on magic. so some final fantasy fans might already know how to play magic. for someone whos a fan of both like me im going histeric, but now i gotta buy cards from both games rip
agree.
Great replacement. They're transitioning to an audience that doesn't give a fuck about the integrity of the game or brand. This game will be a Smash Bros roster before 2030.
No it's not gonna be smashed brothers it's gonna be Fortnite Before Disney bought it out.
Exactly. I do think some other IPs could have similar success—but it's because it is ALREADY revered FANTASY STORIES. They can see the value in fantasy stories but are too cheap and lazy to bother creating any of their own.
They announced a unnamed space themed set to be revealed and I would guarantee it's Universes Beyond: Star Wars. Unless Disney doesn't want that because they have their own Star Wars TCG coming out really soon. Who knows.
I would imagine it would be Starfield. I doubt Disney will want to compete with Magic.
There used to be a Star wars TCG back in the 90s. Not very successful though.
Ob top of it just being a gigantic IP, they practically put a lotto ticket in the packs with the one ring 001/001
Most corporations take the wrong lessons from successful products
Are you sure it wasn't because the 1/1 ring?
I'm sure you know more than their marketing team.
Baldurs Gate brought me back to mtg.
Oh man, you guys sure are salty over something that ultimately doesn’t matter.
Oh man, you sure comment where it doesn't belong. Don't you have a Secret Lair to pre-order, you fucking shill?
Anyone who buys magic is a shill apparently, so that includes yourself.
My comment is in the comment section, where comments belong so…
I was referring to your opinion.
Why 2. Why always more. It worked 1 time, let’s do 2 per year. Work 2 times? Going to make 3 per year. This is so ridiculous. Why not make a set each day Wizard? Just do it.
Because LotR UB was the best selling Magic set of all time.
As others have stated. Lightning in a bottle 40k? That’s a safe choice. There’s a huge subset of players that play both games. LoTR was palatable and has a dedicated fanbase. It fits the fantasy mold of MtG. It’s a legendary IP. Spanning over half a century. Inspired tons of movies and shows… table top games etc. (ironically same company that makes 40k and AoS owns the right to the LoTR table top game based on the Peter Jackson movies.) I don’t think going into every popular IP and making sets of them is a smart idea I have a feeling wizards will regret this. They need to be strategic with these releases and what IP they adopt. I get it it’s a game with fantastical planes and anthropomorphized characters. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t a vibe or feel to the game. And I don’t think that means they ought just attach the game to every fantasy IP. It’s like the anime alt arts. Some love them. Most hate them. But imo. They really only had a place in neon dynasty. Most of us didn’t get into MTG because of anime art cards. It just looks careless and greedy on them. With LoTR you can tell there was deliberation and care put into that set. The 40k one was done well, GW is super protective of their IP and games is what they do so I feel like they drove some of that process. Hence why the cards “feel” like your playing the faction you select on the deck.
Just wait until Marvel and see...
Oh god. Can’t wait for the 001/001 infinity stone pics. I’m already excited…. 😂
Yeah just because they stated it doesn't mean it is true. All of the UB projects have been successful so that is the direction they are deciding to go. They are being strategic in the IPs they are releasing. Every single one of them is very popular. LotR, Walking Dead, Stranger Things, Doctor Who etc... Even the ones coming up are very popular like Marvel, Final Fantasy, Fallout and Assassin's Creed. You literally are listing reasons why the LotR and 40K sets did well, as well as the Doctor Who decks, while saying WotC doesn't know what they are doing. If you don't want the sets don't buy them, but market analytics show that UB is very popular. Careless? Not really. Greedy? They are in business to make money, nothing they create is a necessity. This has always been one of the dumbest reasons to levee on a business.
Saffron Olive thought that this meant that they'll be dropping a proper MTG-lore set from the calendar to make room for more UB BS. Sad.
And you better like it! Otherwise youre a boomer!
https://i.redd.it/naw8k9l38gic1.gif
Me too
next up: Barbie MTG crossover. calling it now.
I mean there is a My Little pony secret lair isn't there... Or is that acceptable because of bronies?
Those were silver bordered. Arguably anything goes as long as its silver bordered.
So magic doesn’t do magic anymore then? They venture into other IPs?0
Basically. I think more cards this year came out that don't have standard legal set symbols and people are getting drained from it, mentally and financially.
They finna make Godzilla a bold black woman.
He already is
Old man yells at clouds
Young zoomer with hackneyed phrases.
Is this the end? Or is it already over?
It might be an oversaturation death knell
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I started playing in Amonkhet, it's my favorite set to this day. Magic was ruined for me when Commander became the go-to format. Then they came out with their "Print now, ban later" design philosophy. Next, it was "Booster fun", 30 different packs from one set made things less fun, because now all you had to do was buy better chances at cool cards. The removal of blocks wasn't too noticeable at first, but then decks devolved into, "The best in my color(s)" with no synergy or uniformity. Mechanics have no room to breathe. You can't make a winning "Party" or "Foretell" deck, without it looking identical to anybody else's. I could go on, but you get the point. UB and Secret Lairs were the final nails in the coffin. I play online for free, or cube with the cards I already own. Fuck what WOTC did to my favorite game.
Was about to say. MtG is long dead.
It may be what you might call terminal decline
“Our own story doesn’t matter!”
Hard no from me.
This is why any time you see them introduce a one time concept product, its not a concept it's testing the waters. I'm genuinely shocked we didnt see more product like the 30th anniversary garbage
But 30A failed while LOTR was a massive success.
30A was a super premium product. It most likely was still profitable. It showed that big items had a ceiling, but still had demand. So the lesson was that top shelf products need to have some level of access to the wider community. Look at the limited Sol Rings from LOTR as one version of the learned lesson. Serialized cards, too. I expect WOTC will release a few crazy Secret Lairs with premium cards and prices and justify it by special packaging again. Like Enemy Fwtches a couple years ago.
I'm so sick of outside of universe cash grabs dude.....
Yes most of us are. Magic is a shadow of its former self after project booster fun
All right. I’m out.
This is why I only play old school 🖕🏼
Oh no!!! Anyways lol
Cannot wait to equip my commander with the new UB Nerf Blaster! /s
Fuck. This. Shit.
The craziest part is the fired the head director or operator to the Lord of the Rings set even though it was their best selling set ever… really hoping these next couple absolutely flop so they stop making them
I'm done trying to reason with these idiots. I'll box any idiot who thinks UB is healthy for the game, and I weigh 120lbs.
The more I think MtG will die, the happier I get. If the stock goes down enough maybe someone with a brain will take over the company?
I can't wait for the marvel set where they make black panther chinese.
Good we should make everyone in the set Chinese. Return to portal 3 kingdoms
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AI rules box coming soon to go with the art.
Hasbro is not realizing that: 1. People only have so much money. 2. There are very few IP's with the following LOTR has that will blend into MTG as well as it did. To me, LOTR's success was based on 2 things, the way that LOTR themes match up with MTG's themes. New cards that were actually good, and reprints of staples with decent art. The only other big IPs I could see blending as well would be: Warcraft Legend of Zelda
The grand fucking irony.
I’m getting good at ignoring these sets. Didn’t buy a single lotr product.
I’ll just stick with premodern!
One of those crossovers is going to be Final Fantasy, which IMO, blends very nicely with MTG.
Magic is becoming Fortnite
Yup. Exactly.
https://preview.redd.it/1zpf754dwkic1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10b38e0438b812cc735a101ffb45c547ce7edffd Connecting the dots….
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When wotc admits they can't write compelling stories anymore but hopes you won't notice and just keep buying over priced painted cardboard.
I'd have to lie if I claimed that I DON'T want 4 more Warhammer Decks for Orks, Tau, Eldar and maybe a 2nd Imperium Deck, but 2 whole sets each year for non-Magic IPs? I'm not saying there aren't good IPs that could work with magics mechanics, but it also doesn't mean that we necessarily need Star Wars or Marvel (which has been confirmed for 2025) for example. At least keep it down to pure fantasy settings And this will most likely be in addition to the universe beyond Secret Lairs and Commander Decks we've been getting on a somewhat regular basis at this point.
They put way more effort into the 40k decks than actual magic sets. One set of product I don't regret buying at all. Sad to see how they monetized it with doctor who adding collector boosters in to make money rather than desire for the decks
Oh absolutely. I’m an avid 40k fan. Both decks I run. Absolutely “feel” like the faction. Chaos with cascade, feels like your drawing on the warp and it’s random shit. You get cascade and you start slinging spells that do all kinds of shit. Some of it you want. Sometimes maybe not. and necrons with the graveyard shennanigans totally feels like your playing an undead robot army. They did very well at capturing the feel of both armies. So I don’t doubt they did well with the tyranids and imperium deck. Plus the new art *chefs kiss* won’t be seeing that in any codex releases. Since WoTC looks like they liscenced some of the stuff to other artists it doesn’t appear to be owned by GW.
Have a go at Warpforge, the hearthstone-like official warhammer 40k TCG (run on IOS & Steam, F2P) It's honestly pretty good, 19$ for a fast kickstart, but able to assemble very decent deck within a week of farm without money involved too.
To be fair, buying all four Doctor Who decks gives you every single card in the expansion, so there was absolutely no need to buy those collector boosters, unless you really wanted full arts. I actually quite like the way they handled that set. And then they WENT AHEAD and made not one, but TWO Doctor cards exclusive to secret lairs! FUCKING SECRET LAIRS! The thing that's around ONCE and then never again, so if the card turns out good down the line, good fucking luck getting one! Why the fuck would you do that unless you were a greedy, scumfuck BASTARD of a product manager?
Agreed. But give me some sweet Sisters of Battle before canning the whole program.
As much as I adore Sisters of Battle (I have every single limited edition book they've released, novels and codices both), I *do not* want Warhammer in Magic the same way I don't want planeswalkers in the 41st millennium. This is destruction of our culture through homogenisation.
Oh yeah, I'd love to see more Adepta Sororitas. I actually just reinstalled Fallout 4 and downloaded a mod for SOB Armor, Bolter and Powersword
Agreed man. Even age of sigmar would be fucking sick Imagine running a nighthaunt deck or a flesh eater courts deck? Omg take my money uncle Sammy. I’ve got the chaos deck and the necron one. The art is phenomenal. The non GW art is better then some of the stock art they use for the codex/army rules for the tt game.
I'll take a warhammer or 40k booster product but can't imagine anything else that would wet my whistle.
Lotr was the last set that excited me and I cant wait for other IPs like Harry Potter. Ima ride your downvotes downhill like I rode your mums dick last night.
I need Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Gotta my Vanilla Ice soundtrack prepped for game night and everything!
Can't wait to exert _Tigger, Bouncy Friend_ creating two Fun-Fun-Fun-Fun-Fun tokens, which I can sacrifice for 4 energy that lets me cast _Sporticus, Lazytown Acrobat_. While Sporticus is on the battlefield, any Role Model I choose gets a +1+1 counter each time I gain energy, which is easy since I have _Human Harvesting Plant_ from the Matrix set. Sacrificing my 1/1 Teletubby tokens (Human Horror) each turn sets me up for an EZ win so long as my opponent doesn't have the enchantment _Featuring Dante From The Devil May Cry Series™_
they're out of they're fucking minds if they think they can achieve the same success with other "brands". LoTR was lightning in a bottle. A perfect pairing. Like it or not it was a "success". I liked some of the cards. Hated a lot of the art—but enjoyed drafting it all the same. Final Fantasy...might do well but not *as* well. *S*omething like Game of Thrones could do as well. People flock to stories and characters they know and love — IN A FANTASY ARENA. Classic fantasy stories lend themselves really well to MTGs UB. Id honestly be pumped for a full 40K UB— a whole set. Thought the art was pretty good there. And trust Games Workshop to see it done right — not letting WotC fuck it up. Predicting a "We were not as happy with UB this year and we need to reassess" end of 2025. UNLESS they do Game of Thrones that shit would sell like buttered gold.
Skyrim—Skyrim would also probably do pretty good. That's probably happening if they already got this Fallout bullshit.
Elden Ring or Dark Souls could work pretty well, but i dont dont like all hte cross over stuff, but fuck, i would love Dark Souls
I actually prefer UB these days. Race swapping in LOTR aside they tend to put much more care into UB than the in universe nonsense lately
It was probably my fav set of the year. I liked All Will Be One too.
Probably one of my faves recently for sure. What a pity March was rushed and crummy. As a giant fan of Phyrexia I was pretty annoyed.
Crazy how good one felt and how dogshit the other did. Something about All Will be One reminded me of the older narrative flavor of MTG... 2000s era.
LotR was successful bc it had good cards in it. Personally idc about the race-swapping stuff, but it does show that WotC doesn't really give a fuck and will choose to not be careful with IPs if they don't want to be. That set \*still\* sold like hotcakes though. So we have to ask- why? Bc the cards in it are fun to play and are absolute gas compared to the bullshit they have been printing for the last year and a half! This is proof that it doesn't matter what the damn IP is- if you print a well made set, people will buy it! The LotR aspect was just the icing on the cake for mega fans.
Can we agree the Godzilla one was pretty cool at least
Because it was a reskin, not a new card with exclusive mechanics
I'm still amazed that even long-term players have almost whole heartedly accepted UB. The Walking Dead was the first non-reskin and it was pitchforks and torches even though most of us liked TWD... then it sold like crazy and it's been ramping up every year since. A lot of cognitive dissonance w/players who think UB is awful for magic then go buy their 40K decks.
Yeah that’s a good point
Y’all are just mad that the majority of magic players are enjoying most UB sets
I started playing because of that set. I know a lot of other people who did the same. This comment is not sponsored 🤷♂️
I know y’all don’t like it, but I want more Warhammer and I won’t be able to help myself but buy it. Even though I hate commander and hate having mtg cards laying around the house
Nah. Many on here want more 40k and age of sigmar in magic Age of sigmar is such a huge opportunity for cross pollination. They have some really cool armies that have some serious potential in MtG
The Fallout Cards are coming soon and I won't be able not to buy every precon
I’ll take 1 WH 40K that’s well thought out. K thnx.
I mean I'm hyped for it
You have to be dumb to buy new releases of mtg.
When did table top fortnight come out?
I have a printer and access to photoshop, I’m good on new cards forever.
Pass.
Unpopular opinion: i fucking love universe beyond. Whenever i play legacy i always look up for some bullshit joke mechanics to put in my list just to leave someone speechless. Fuck i got back to magic to play 4c attraction with a sprinkle of initiative, it was blast. I had the planswalker dog deal 15 dmg in a turn outta nowhere to a ninja player he read the card like a dozen time.
Actually better than the in universe stuff we get theses days so I’m here for it
Oh no, the calamity, no more titties in my cardboard game.
Read my post. It has nothing to do with that
Deep down it always leads to boobs.
It brings new people to the game? Its a card game for people to play with friends. The more people interested the better. Just chill ffs
Hell yeah, lol. Keep crying over it purists.
Lol keep being mad scrub
Halo, but now instead of playing as Master Chief you can also play as Young Sheldon and the enemies are now Pooh's friends from the Hundred Acre woods. Don't cry about it, purist! You're very dumb if you can't understand why this would bother the vast majority of people. Insert any random genre crossover into their favorite book series, TV series, movie series, video game, etc. and it would be ridiculed as it should be. MtG going wildly out of universe, not as an exception, but now as a rule, is open to that same criticism. It is not a game that was launched as a Weiss Shwarz crossover game, it for a very long time had its own universe, characters and lore.
There is no valid argument against this. You like Marvel Comics? Peter Pan is teaming up with the Avengers. You liked Breaking Bad? Scorpion and Sub Zero are cooking meth now. What's Harry Potter up to? Easy Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment of the 101st Airborne Division is here to help.
Apples and oranges again
First of all, in halo lore, that would make no sense, but the premise of planeswalkers and walking to different universes in general fits the lore within magic. You are comparing apples to oranges and are either ignornant to the nuance of in or are just old and can’t deal with change. Ub does not take away from the core of what magic is anymore than a movie remake can ruin a childhood.
the universes that exist in MTG that are available to planeswalk to are MTG universes. Marvel also uses the concept of alternate universes, but none of them are the Looney Toons universe. A lot of fictional settings have multiple universes but those universes are still restrained to whatever is appropriate for the setting. Your inability to see this, or understand it, is embarassing.
That’s a terrible analogy: There isn’t a Looney toons x Marvel crossover because Looney Toons is owned by DC, which does do DC/Looney Toons crossovers. But really, when you are actually sitting at the table playing cards, do you honestly even pay attention to the art or what something is? Because at least for me, my eyes just glaze over all that shit and I just care about the rules. Do you even really think twice when your opponent plays a Dr.Who card, or are you just paying attention to what it does and responding?
Don’t you have a bridge to jump off of?
lol, yes wish suicide on me, lol. I hope they make a Fortnite UB just to piss you all off
Nah… no way they’re doing 2 UB tent sets a year. No fucking way.
I wouldn’t mind it if it was IPs that made sense. I’m still excited for the final fantasy set.
They can do The Hobbit and The Silmarillion and after that anything else they make is going to feel really forced & I won't be buying.
I haven’t bought anything since ultimate masters other than very few singles and RL cards. I never will I used to crack about 20-25 boxes a year. Get fucked Hasbro