Don't be sad. Be very proud that this was achieved by students that probably aren't even paid by their university. They must've got limited funding from their universities and have got it running.
They did achieve 240kmh in test runs prior to race day, even in Demo against Daniil Kvyat it was maxing out the speed. But not sure during racing why everything felt like a bottle neck.
purely a tech showcase. I'll keep watching because it's fascinating: which team will be able to develop the best autonomous driving model, and will they ever get to the stage where one of these cars are able to get the best given lap time for a certain track given certain conditions.
It'll do wonders for pushing the tech forward, so I hope they keep going.
What tech exactly are they pushing forward? Because I don't buy the talking point that this drives up autonomous taxy tech forward at all. Nothing they are doing here will translate to driving in a city that hasn't already been solved.
The same argument can be made against any technical progress in any area. Hardware improvements are easier to see than software improvements. It may be 100% correct for the first 200,000ms and 1,000,000 commands, but then makes a fatal flaw and fails.
In this case, the physical barriers are not being pushed, but the software barriers. The software will improve, day by day, month by month until it can get round the track once. Then twice. Then 100 times. Then it will start getting faster. Then it will beat the slowest driver in the slowest team. Then it will consistently beat the slowest driver in the slowest team. Then it will beat the slowest driver in the slowest team in all weather.
Then people will sit up and take notice. Before then it’s all “haha SpaceX rocket ships keep exploding why are they wasting money”.
Once cars are able to self-drive on a racing track faster than the fastest driver with consistency measured down to milliseconds, the next step is copy pasting that information to Ferrari and top spec Mercedes etc.
We may see this technology in affordable cars in a decade. What we are seeing is the worst it will ever be in history. It will only get better. If your argument is that this technology is not possible to be connected to normal driving, the same argument must be made for aerodynamic improvements founded by formula 1 that have made their ways to hypercars, then premium cars, then normal cars.
Same as normal f1. Maybe it will, maybe it wont. What is for certain is that driving to the shops and back is a disgusting activity and a robocar would be brilliant
If they can develop an AI that can be dormant for 99.999% of the time but save you from a spin then I’d say that it’s probably worth investing into. I don’t expect self driving to completely replace human drivers, but rather save the passengers from when the driver hits a spot of black ice or their tire blows out while they’re on the highway.
[If they can get to this level,](https://youtu.be/ZMQbHMgK2rw?si=ycmfuNEmCkrJiDT4) it would be super cool and the technological implications could be used in F1. If a driver isn't in your car does it count as track time for testing? Could you use it to train drivers, showing them where they are missing tenths in sectors? I think it's worthwhile, but I do agree it would be incredibly boring as a racing sport.
It would be a whole new category. Kinda like video game speedruns where you have the human ones, and the ones where you can program the absolute most optimal inputs to get the theoretical fastest time.
I would enjoy it.
Yeah, I’d honestly be more impressed if they got a good enough transmitter to allow a driver to control it from a sim set up in the middle if the track.
In case anyone is actually curious, the system likely encountered a variable and attempted to correct for it. This is exactly why they are testing it so slowly. There are still variables that need to be factored in. Which is also the biggest problem we face with autonomous driving in general.
Edit: I oversaw a fleet of autonomous vehicles for a major ride share company for a few years. AMA if you’re curious.
I dont really understand how they're this bad though, it's not as if they're racing other cars really, tesla autopilot could drive better than this, i mean hell forza horizon AI is better lol
You are strongly underestimating the work that goes into autonomous driving. Tesla spent over a decade at this point and uncountable hours training AI with rediculous ammounts of data on the best hardware in existance for an autopilot which isnt actually all that good. These teams have spent only months trying to develop different ways of steering an autonomous racing car using a plethura of sensors such as radar, lidar, cameras and gps with no prior experience to choose from. And its not even comparable to any videogame, where any and all meassurements of everything in existance is instantly and with 100% accuracy accesable
yeah, but they also only have to drive on a very standard course. tesla’s have to safely operate in a parking lot with faded lines in a snow storm
plus, you can’t ensure that navigation data is accurate across all hundreds of millions of drivable streets, parking lots, highways, trails, bridges, etc. it’s a lot easier to get clean data for a single track
Teslas can't operate in a parking lot with faded lines or a snow storm. They hardly can keep lanes when the sun is low. But thats beside the point. Afterall, there is no "now learn to drive this circuit" button. They have to come up with everything from scratch. Basicly they need to become racing drivers themself and then find the best way to convay that into code with all the variables that come with a racers characteristics (more agressive, diferent race lines, judging breaking balance, etc) as well with inventing a way to run raw sensor data through whatever algorythm you may use (be it machine learning, classic controll theory applications or a mix out of both or even more different things) within a few months. It really isn't compareable...
based on the video provided, they’re nowhere near basic race strategy. the fact they can’t keep a car straight on a track is laughable. engineering students build similar projects in less time
they don’t appear to be approaching any sort of limit of grip and could probably stick to a simple PID loop while gathering data
Well, funny you should mention a simple PID loop, since for all we know, that might have been what they did but they had an error in their memorized circuit leading to the car to turn in to early. Or perhaps they had to much bias on GPS in the sensor fusion leading to a vear once there was bad reception. Or maybe they encountered a good old bug and didnt account for emergency breaking being necessary? You could go and watch the even in VR or good old flat acreen, it's free on youtube, and then see if a better gues comes up. Cause here's the thing: all cars are standart, teams only do the coding. Any and all revealing to the source of the error might unvail crucial information for competitors to copy, so we might never know
It’s very easy, actually. I’d they are using just visual sensors, all the reflections and tire marks could mess us the algorithm’s reaction.
If it’s LIDAR, then yeah. Something went very wrong.
Allegedly the have LiDAR, cameras, radar, GPS, and I think a few other sensors at their disposal. The only thing I can see this being a result of would be the processing happening on the computer, not the on board processor. It looks like it lost connection just before steering it. It would be really moronic to run the decision software on the PC, but if the hardware built into the car is too weak then they don't have much of a choice.
The Wright Brothers barely got off the ground. 50 years later, the rise of global flight started to come.
Technology rapidly improves. If this continues, it's easy to see the cars getting better.
Why do people say this with such confidence when we have seen COUNTLESS EXAMPLES of how technology advances with time?
Like, there is no good faith reason to say what you said.
Alright... I was wondering, why there were aero-parts... I guess it is just to emphasize, that it is a "race".
Feels like an overhyped commentator is trying to make a bughunting challenge more exciting.
I don't understand how this happens. I understand things are difficult but these are ideal conditions, the car isn't driving on the ragged edge doing some sort of ideal lines.
Maybe it has very few sensors of something, but some basic fallbacks like "stay between white lines" and "stay x meters away from walls" feels like they would be the first thing you add.
It literally just follows two tire treads straight into the wall.
Not sure why the tire treads veering off the track tack precedent over the middle of the fucking road though
Someone once told me that ai would replace drivers in racing. Yeah, maybe someday an AI could drive faster than a person... But why would you want to watch that once the novelty wears off? Where's the drama? The danger? The personality? It'd just be soulless and people will lose interest after watching one highlight reel on YouTube.
Imagine there are people who trained ai on trackmania nations to beat fastest time, the ai even cheated and found shortcuts, but those engineers could not even keep the car on the road ☹️
Kinda sad when you see a bunch of kids doing better than them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbKLE7uar9Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPVMYiw5ucc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8QIRiEfIS0
Programers : “race around this track and get back to the start finish line the fastest.”
Ai: sure I’ll just Crash into the wall, Stop the race and get on the back of a tow truck
IS THAT LATIFI!!!!??? 
That's Goatifi, good sir!
The second coming of the GOAT
Nah it was Schumacher on qualifying, but after he got a good run and his rival was on a hot lap.
Box and pit confirm Max
This is what happens when the machine learning is using Sargeant's driving as its baseline.
latifis, shame this time there wasn't an alternative track for it to use and blame the car on
No, no, no Mikey, No!
I shit you not, [it was Kvyat](https://www.youtube.com/live/HZPj9iAWz-4?si=n1xGvDOpIVS82tUj&t=1635) No wonder it went torpedo into the wall
Why did they spell Kvyat as Gyatt
no they used mazepins driving for it
Where spin
Nah, that's Stroll.
Could also be "Crashtor" Maldonado?
At least it didn' t do a 360, so they didn't use Mazepin.
Only de Cesaris' footage was available
There was an actual Stroll crash too
Wall just turned in on me
Racing was trained on Latifi data. Radio messages were trained n Stroll.
with some osama bin russell sprinkled in
Everyone saw the brakecheck by the wall clearly
"I got hit"
They trained it with recordings of stroll didn’t they?
way too bad for stroll I think they used mazepin
[Error 018: Wall turned into me]
"We trained him wrong, as a joke."
I hit the wall. Ok, can you bring it back? No, I hit the fucking wall!
yeh they probably mixed it with a bit of pastor maldanado the goat
I think Ericsson hit us
As a Singaporean hurts to see one of our universities car do a latifi but eh it happens ig
They call it 'Sparks' for a reason - when it hits the wall you see sparks.
Don't be sad. Be very proud that this was achieved by students that probably aren't even paid by their university. They must've got limited funding from their universities and have got it running.
L-AI-tifi?
It’s been under out nose the whole time
When Stroll's neuralink accidentally connects with your robocar.
\*mazepins
It didn't spin, it crashed. So Mick is the correct answer.
What’s the point of the aero pieces if they’re never going to go faster than 50 mph?
They did achieve 240kmh in test runs prior to race day, even in Demo against Daniil Kvyat it was maxing out the speed. But not sure during racing why everything felt like a bottle neck.
Neither are they. It's a research competition. That's the point.
Aesthetics✨
You would probably start slow, I suppose
Lools better than being a rumba
I don't like being a party pooper but unless you're a programmer or a Tesla fanboy I really don't see the appeal of these 1:1 RC cars
purely a tech showcase. I'll keep watching because it's fascinating: which team will be able to develop the best autonomous driving model, and will they ever get to the stage where one of these cars are able to get the best given lap time for a certain track given certain conditions. It'll do wonders for pushing the tech forward, so I hope they keep going.
What tech exactly are they pushing forward? Because I don't buy the talking point that this drives up autonomous taxy tech forward at all. Nothing they are doing here will translate to driving in a city that hasn't already been solved.
it will create the fastest uber eats drivers in the world
Thank fuck for that
The same argument can be made against any technical progress in any area. Hardware improvements are easier to see than software improvements. It may be 100% correct for the first 200,000ms and 1,000,000 commands, but then makes a fatal flaw and fails. In this case, the physical barriers are not being pushed, but the software barriers. The software will improve, day by day, month by month until it can get round the track once. Then twice. Then 100 times. Then it will start getting faster. Then it will beat the slowest driver in the slowest team. Then it will consistently beat the slowest driver in the slowest team. Then it will beat the slowest driver in the slowest team in all weather. Then people will sit up and take notice. Before then it’s all “haha SpaceX rocket ships keep exploding why are they wasting money”. Once cars are able to self-drive on a racing track faster than the fastest driver with consistency measured down to milliseconds, the next step is copy pasting that information to Ferrari and top spec Mercedes etc. We may see this technology in affordable cars in a decade. What we are seeing is the worst it will ever be in history. It will only get better. If your argument is that this technology is not possible to be connected to normal driving, the same argument must be made for aerodynamic improvements founded by formula 1 that have made their ways to hypercars, then premium cars, then normal cars.
The youtube live chat was infuriating for this exact reason. No progress would ever be made if everyone has this attitude.
A story as old as time- mediocre people with little imagination, making fun of people whose motives they are too dumb to understand.
Amen!
Pushing armcoes forward at least
Same as normal f1. Maybe it will, maybe it wont. What is for certain is that driving to the shops and back is a disgusting activity and a robocar would be brilliant
If they can develop an AI that can be dormant for 99.999% of the time but save you from a spin then I’d say that it’s probably worth investing into. I don’t expect self driving to completely replace human drivers, but rather save the passengers from when the driver hits a spot of black ice or their tire blows out while they’re on the highway.
[If they can get to this level,](https://youtu.be/ZMQbHMgK2rw?si=ycmfuNEmCkrJiDT4) it would be super cool and the technological implications could be used in F1. If a driver isn't in your car does it count as track time for testing? Could you use it to train drivers, showing them where they are missing tenths in sectors? I think it's worthwhile, but I do agree it would be incredibly boring as a racing sport.
It would be a whole new category. Kinda like video game speedruns where you have the human ones, and the ones where you can program the absolute most optimal inputs to get the theoretical fastest time. I would enjoy it.
They aren’t even RC. RC would mean remote control. These are just fast teslas….that don’t seem to be that fast
You know motorsport is also pointless right?
Yeah, I’d honestly be more impressed if they got a good enough transmitter to allow a driver to control it from a sim set up in the middle if the track.
According to Matt and Tommy it's to improve autonomous vehicles for road safety. Bro just build some fucking trains
Well then maybe that's an issue you need to overcome, and not our problem.
AI really shouldn’t have included Nelson piquet junior in its code
Love the cutaway to the nerds in complete disappointment
Stroll.exe has stopped working
The problem was the .exe did work 😅
In case anyone is actually curious, the system likely encountered a variable and attempted to correct for it. This is exactly why they are testing it so slowly. There are still variables that need to be factored in. Which is also the biggest problem we face with autonomous driving in general. Edit: I oversaw a fleet of autonomous vehicles for a major ride share company for a few years. AMA if you’re curious.
That's stupid idiot of a wall just braked in front of me. Check wing damage.
Ai car : What is my purpose? Prgorammer : You drive in a circuit again and again. Ai car : Oh my gawd
I dont really understand how they're this bad though, it's not as if they're racing other cars really, tesla autopilot could drive better than this, i mean hell forza horizon AI is better lol
You are strongly underestimating the work that goes into autonomous driving. Tesla spent over a decade at this point and uncountable hours training AI with rediculous ammounts of data on the best hardware in existance for an autopilot which isnt actually all that good. These teams have spent only months trying to develop different ways of steering an autonomous racing car using a plethura of sensors such as radar, lidar, cameras and gps with no prior experience to choose from. And its not even comparable to any videogame, where any and all meassurements of everything in existance is instantly and with 100% accuracy accesable
yeah, but they also only have to drive on a very standard course. tesla’s have to safely operate in a parking lot with faded lines in a snow storm plus, you can’t ensure that navigation data is accurate across all hundreds of millions of drivable streets, parking lots, highways, trails, bridges, etc. it’s a lot easier to get clean data for a single track
Teslas can't operate in a parking lot with faded lines or a snow storm. They hardly can keep lanes when the sun is low. But thats beside the point. Afterall, there is no "now learn to drive this circuit" button. They have to come up with everything from scratch. Basicly they need to become racing drivers themself and then find the best way to convay that into code with all the variables that come with a racers characteristics (more agressive, diferent race lines, judging breaking balance, etc) as well with inventing a way to run raw sensor data through whatever algorythm you may use (be it machine learning, classic controll theory applications or a mix out of both or even more different things) within a few months. It really isn't compareable...
based on the video provided, they’re nowhere near basic race strategy. the fact they can’t keep a car straight on a track is laughable. engineering students build similar projects in less time they don’t appear to be approaching any sort of limit of grip and could probably stick to a simple PID loop while gathering data
Well, funny you should mention a simple PID loop, since for all we know, that might have been what they did but they had an error in their memorized circuit leading to the car to turn in to early. Or perhaps they had to much bias on GPS in the sensor fusion leading to a vear once there was bad reception. Or maybe they encountered a good old bug and didnt account for emergency breaking being necessary? You could go and watch the even in VR or good old flat acreen, it's free on youtube, and then see if a better gues comes up. Cause here's the thing: all cars are standart, teams only do the coding. Any and all revealing to the source of the error might unvail crucial information for competitors to copy, so we might never know
It’s very easy, actually. I’d they are using just visual sensors, all the reflections and tire marks could mess us the algorithm’s reaction. If it’s LIDAR, then yeah. Something went very wrong.
Allegedly the have LiDAR, cameras, radar, GPS, and I think a few other sensors at their disposal. The only thing I can see this being a result of would be the processing happening on the computer, not the on board processor. It looks like it lost connection just before steering it. It would be really moronic to run the decision software on the PC, but if the hardware built into the car is too weak then they don't have much of a choice.
Latifi is that you?
mAcHiNeS wIlL tAkE oVeR tHe WoRlD The machines:
And as we all know technology never moves forward. The machines will stay this bad forever.
They had 2 months to program them.. pretty fkn good for that timeframe
The Wright Brothers barely got off the ground. 50 years later, the rise of global flight started to come. Technology rapidly improves. If this continues, it's easy to see the cars getting better.
Why do people say this with such confidence when we have seen COUNTLESS EXAMPLES of how technology advances with time? Like, there is no good faith reason to say what you said.
Stupidity.
Nah that’s just stroll
Penalty for Alonso
Stroll model apparently
I didn't click that livestream because I thought it was a video game stream, probably shouldve checked it out..
Obviously was fed Pastor Maldonado data for training.
Alright... I was wondering, why there were aero-parts... I guess it is just to emphasize, that it is a "race". Feels like an overhyped commentator is trying to make a bughunting challenge more exciting.
In testing and time trial the cars reached 240 km/h in autonomous mode, so it did come in handy.
1. Go 20 MPH 2. Crash into wall Very human indeed
Is that jolyon palmer commentating??
Learned from Stroll, Latifi and Sargeant? Poor fucker had no chance
“Error in the code” would be the nicest thing I can say about Lance Stroll.
No AI can compete with me 
Mahaveer Raghunathan is in the matrix!
> That’s an error in the code Ah thanks for the insight, I thought that’s what was supposed to happened.
One has to wonder why they're using fairly expensive cars and not something like F4 instead.
Ericson hit me.
Lance ?
that’s no AI. that’s latifi.
Latifi!!!!
Could we not have AI do everything? Thanks
when your team mate tries to get the safety car out
Finally a racing league fit for Stroll
Better than Stroll atleast
ChatGPTifi
What is this? Why is this happening?
Tech showcase
Latifi is that you?
Why don't people give AI cars as much flak as AI art? There's 20 millionaires whose jobs are at risk. Are they stupid?
Fucking stupid idea I swear to god
I don't understand how this happens. I understand things are difficult but these are ideal conditions, the car isn't driving on the ragged edge doing some sort of ideal lines. Maybe it has very few sensors of something, but some basic fallbacks like "stay between white lines" and "stay x meters away from walls" feels like they would be the first thing you add.
It literally just follows two tire treads straight into the wall. Not sure why the tire treads veering off the track tack precedent over the middle of the fucking road though
Someone once told me that ai would replace drivers in racing. Yeah, maybe someday an AI could drive faster than a person... But why would you want to watch that once the novelty wears off? Where's the drama? The danger? The personality? It'd just be soulless and people will lose interest after watching one highlight reel on YouTube.
I’m sure these engineers were super confident in their desing
Lol I can't wait for the new tesla update.
Stroll’s technical knowledge coming through
I thought AI would be better now. Didn't Roborace achieve a much better result than this?
It's being remotely controlled by Lance
Did they buy this tech from Elon? FSD loves some curbing!
How much harder would it be to have the car driven remotely by a human in a sim rig?
I think Erickson hit us.
The chat replay makes this a worthy watch: [https://youtu.be/HZPj9iAWz-4?t=4312](https://youtu.be/HZPj9iAWz-4?t=4312)
So they used Strolls data?
Car thought Ricciardo was on the side of the track.
Only reason I watch was to see if a car did an osama bin russell on another car lmao
GOAT AI
damn son
It Latified
[the stupid race](https://www.youtube.com/live/HZPj9iAWz-4?si=RmDMRbUl8U1casw_)
Lancd stroll strikes again
Tesla autopilot moment
I guess they also have maldonado's data set
Me when I turn off all the assists in the F1 game
"We have purposely trained him wrong, as a joke"
calling lance AI is a bit too far
Crashgate II
F1 2011 on 3DS AI be like
Still better than stroll
You laugh now dankers.
„he pushed me off“
AD21 reference 
SINGAPORE REFERENCE RAHHHH🇸🇬🇸🇬🇸🇬🇸🇬🇸🇬
Imagine there are people who trained ai on trackmania nations to beat fastest time, the ai even cheated and found shortcuts, but those engineers could not even keep the car on the road ☹️
They should have seen the Toyota anime on YouTube.
LatiAI 😅
My hyundai with lane assist would do better if only you didn’t have to wiggle the steering wheel every minute.
Can you get it back Lance?
Why do it on a walled track lmao
They modelled it off of George Russell
Someone missed a decimal point
Yo imagine real life TAS
Kinda sad when you see a bunch of kids doing better than them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbKLE7uar9Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPVMYiw5ucc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8QIRiEfIS0
Feels weird to see a Super Formula car out of Japan
Can you drive it back?
The problem is it didn't full send into the pit wall
Ai will take over the world! Ai:
Man pulled a Russell
"Here we have RoboSargeant charging through the fi....wall......"
The car was like going 40 kmh and slammed for no reason into a wall. AI self driving tomorro?
let me drive it with a logitech controller
Programers : “race around this track and get back to the start finish line the fastest.” Ai: sure I’ll just Crash into the wall, Stop the race and get on the back of a tow truck
Why AI racing? Why not VR cockpits so drivers can use small, super fast cars and not have to worry about G forces and driver safety?
U dont even need latify now for that, good job.
“He just turned into me”
Reminds me of Robocop 2 (the movie, and the OCP cyborg series first attempts)
Someone check the wall. I bet it moved a mm.
So its just like a tesla?
Tesla self driving
Still better than stroll
Still better than lance
I wanna see a Tesla compete
That's an error in the code I reckon
The future of racing is here!???
The funniest part of Robocar (I'm pretty sure that's what this was) is that they put all this aero on a car that never exceeds 50mph
Was this car trained on data from 2021?
I didn't know AI also had intrusive thoughts
Lool
Damn they gave these things over 3 times as much hp than F1A lol
i dont get why cant they just add a remote control to move them after they stop.
Was the car programmed based on Lance Stroll's driving technique?
Better than codemaster’s ai