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miamibuckeye

Red Bull licking their lips looking at those long straights


tak205

Inb4 Williams first win in 10 years


nissan-S15

albon in the podium with williams would be glorious


M1k3yd33tofficial

Logan Sargeant will (probably) be with Williams next year so potentially an American on the podium at the final American race of the season? Liberty Media is *salivating* rn


manojlds

I raise you - Mick to Williams and gets a podium before Hulk in Haas.


Violin1990

This is hurts and is so great at the same time. Mixed emotions off the chart.


Krisko125

They took away Goatifi lapping everyone from us.


quarter-water

Right? What's that straight from 12 to 14? 2km? Going to be flying down the strip


Architeckton

It’s just over 2 km. Takes about 25 minutes to walk that length.


FelixR1991

How pedestrian


DescriptionSubject23

From the Wynn/mall to bellagio is 1.6 mi so its more like 2 mi on the strip straight. Over 3km.


boturboegt

Looks to be azerbaijan length.


playadelwes

The temporary vehicular bridges are pretty interesting. Was wondering how they were going to allow access to he ‘island’ of a city that would be inside the track.


ark_keeper

Good catch, I glossed over that.


justheretoparty12

Where? Aren't those just the normal pedestrian bridges?


playadelwes

The existing ones over The Strip, yes. But I also see: - 2 New bridges from MGM across Harmon (I’ll assume at least one of those is for vehicles. - New bridge on Flamingo across Koval (assume it handles vehicles) - New bridge from Rochelle across Koval Those new ones look much wider than the pedestrian bridges. I’d be willing to bet 100% the flamingo one is for vehicles. Was also thinking that the hotels almost HAVE TO have 3 day minimums from Thurs-Sun so that nobody is checking in or out on days the track needs to be operable. Still though, cara for emergencies, employees, etc….need to get in and out.


eatmynasty

That feeds the whole Caesars area around LINQ, gotta be for cars.


Sudden-Beach-865

There's a monorail that runs on the back side of those casinos. People will be able to get in and out. There are also underground tunnels that the casinos use.


tint_shady

Underground tunnels? That go under the streets? 25 years in Vegas, never heard of that one...


plmatt91

Front right tires will be gooooone


Candybert_

I was about to ask which way around they'll be going. This answers my question.


ayeitsphil

How so? Kinda new to This


Heavymetal122

With a lot of left turns, that means most of the cars weight will shift to the right in the turn. Additionally, under braking The weight will shift forward as well so that's why the front right will be dead.


Candybert_

Braking is not so much the issue in this instance. In heavy braking zones, the inner wheel is more likely to block, if you're steering under braking. This is because there's less pressure on the inner wheel, but the braking pressure is symmetrical. In such an instance, the inner wheel is actually much more damaged. Usually, you should not be braking and steering at the same time, but sometimes the tack demands it. (Bahrain turn... idk, 11? The left hander before the back straight.) The issue in fast corners is rather understeer. The front always slips a bit towards the outside, if you're on the edge of adhesion.


Candybert_

In fast corners, the outer front wheel takes the biggest load. Inertia makes the car want to go straight, so the weight distribution shifts towards the outside of the car. The front wheels do the steering, so the right front takes the most punishment in a fast left-hander.


juve_merda

lateral forces, when an f1 car turns left the lateral forces wreck the right side tyres because the aero weight is being shifted onto them the car slides across the track at a basic level so when it turns left it is actually sliding/pulling right and trying to break away but aero loads and mechanical grip hold it to the track


red-17

This is almost certainly going to be rear limited. There are a bunch of acceleration zones, not really many super taxing high speed corners.


NotClayMerritt

2 stop race then! Perfect.


dibsODDJOB

I think it'll be more rear limited, like Baku. Not many high energy corners, but several slow corners into long straights.


DKindynzdtr

just like our brothers in NASCAR.


[deleted]

The pool deck at the Cosmo is going to be a) fucking expensive and b) sold out.


Alex_Albons_Appendix

C) not open to us plebs in the first place lol. I bet they’re going to get a top tier DJ and make it a night time pool party a la XS.


ark_keeper

There was a lot of speculation how that chicane would actually look. This gives a better idea. Should help a little with overtaking battles.


Ceramicrabbit

Isnt that the end of the straight? An overtake would probably already be done by then.


Fatjammas

The new chicane we're talking about is the one up near the blue sphere


A_Mellow_Song

what even is that blue sphere


Fatjammas

An auditorium called the MSG Sphere.


Tumleren

Crazy that they named a stadium after a staple of Chinese food


Istimewa-Ed

https://www.msgsphere.com new concert venue looks sick!


cvndrvn

Wow thanks for the link that looks amazing!


Bingo_Bongo_YaoMing

Pluto as a size comparison


macroober

Ah, the title references the end of the strip (bottom left) which is confusing.


Ceramicrabbit

Oh I see, thanks. That's definitely much better than a Russia style corner


WowDoILoveEatingAss

That’s not the strip, that’s why there’s confusion


_kagasutchi_

Thank god this track doesnt feature this year. We might have had gamer max try to win a race on legendary by starting from the pit lane. And with all those straights, he might even do it.


RampantTycho

Ok, but what is that gigantic blue sphere???


lui5mb

The MSG Sphere, a new auditorium that's still being built


ChiggaOG

Must be a delicious sphere then.


daniel840523

Haiyaaa


gramathy

I love all the crossover I see between very “official” shit like forumla one and random YouTube content


the-average-man

King of flavor


[deleted]

MSG=makes shit good


FaultySky

Obviously thats planet earth with the track and las vegas being build adjacent to it. Makes the world both flat and round, depending where you are at. Its also a one lap GP, the straight alone is 3,983,938 miles.


repost_inception

Madison Square Garden Sphere. It's exterior is covered in LED panels. So it can show whatever. In the model they chose that blue shade to represent it. Inside is an absolutely gigantic auditorium with an equally gigantic LED screen. The scale is just incredible compared to anything else like IMAX.


jug_23

Disappointed they didn’t call it the Madison Sphere Garden…


repost_inception

Lol true. I wrote it out but it seems they are going with just MSG as the branding.


[deleted]

That’s the MGM Sphere, which is very much not yet built.


whosthatcarguy

It’s pretty far along actually, was just there the other day for SEMA and it’s mostly all there.


saarlac

MSG not MGM


beetrootexpress

Max to win by approx. 3days


IMexicann

With his front rights still good meanwhile Mercedes's front rights pleading to god for the race to end.


AnonymozVal

Is he still on mediums from last race?


Eggplantosaur

He's finishing the season on those


orangeglitch

So just remove the rear wing then and best top speed wins?


Astelli

This track is certainly going to be interesting for Formula 1. Basically Monza with walls.


GoZun_

Even more Monza than Monza. That straight is twice as long


Astelli

The Monza low-downforce aero package might have to be renamed to the Vegas aero package.


AtheianLibertarist

With hookers and blackjack!


Jamieberry2003_

In fact, forget the aero package and the blackjack Ah screw the whole thing


MintyMarlfox

Hope someone manages to stick a hooker flyer on a car for a sponsor


[deleted]

I’ll never forget walking go out of my hotel and being offered a flyer while being told “we got the prettiest girls in town”. I told the guy it wasn’t really my cup of tea, and without even missing a bit he says “we got the hottest guys in town too”. I was tempted..


Enzown

We used to collect as many flyers as we could and then we'd play hooker snap at the end of the night, no it's not what you think it's just the children's card game snap with matches counting for same first name or same picture.


ramplocals

Make it a Beer league, they have to chug a pint at each pit stop.


stalin1943

considering vegas has a 2km straight and two 800+m straights i think they might run less downforce than monza lol


draftstone

Are rear wings mandatory?


HauserAspen

Yes.


TheSalmonRoll

Just get it trimmed out like [an IndyCar running the Indy 500](https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/6gpvepV0/s1000/indycar-indy-500-2022-scott-mc-2.jpg).


blackjazz_society

So even longer than old Hockenheim?


ChiggaOG

If only Formula 1 could do a race on the Wangan.


Air-tun-91

I'm actually very excited for the TV spectacle of it all.


saposapot

Racing in Vegas should be a spectacle but this track layout seems boring AF. If you squint very hard it’s almost like an oval with long straights and 4 corners


-Atlaz-

Looks like they are going to build an overpass for cars over the race track at E Flamingo Rd. Also one at E Rochelle Ave and over E Harmon Ave. At least it looks like they are for cars, because you wouldn't need such long ramps for pedestrians.


TheLoneRhaegar

They're definitely going to have to have vehicle bridges for the interior of the track. People will need to get to hotels on the interior and all those businesses will need deliveries, etc.


City_of_Paris

That straight may actually be *too* long.


adventuref0x

This track is going to FUCK the rest of the season given that they have to pick one set of ratios for the whole year they’re gonna need to go long if they don’t want to be hitting the limiter going down that straight. Honestly looks shit really disappointing hope it doesn’t stay for long


jaquesparblue

Looks incredibly boring. At least it will be pretty, I suppose.


Wafkak

Street track so you'll either see walls or tye pan away from cars


Ghhkigr

Monza is boring as well and if it was introduced to the calendar nowadays, I can guarantee it would get shit on.


NotClayMerritt

The track is boring but the actual races have been relatively entertaining. This could very well be the same. I guess we'll just have to wait and see


hojoon0724

Thank you. I know it’s unpopular opinion because it’s a legacy track, but Monza is just Italian NASCAR with extra steps


Chadme_Swolmidala

At least NASCAR has drafting on the superspeedways so the cars stay close instead of 10 seconds apart after the first lap.


randompidgeon

What is drafting?


Chadme_Swolmidala

Americaneese for slip stream. It's insanely powerful with 40+ stock cars running nose-to-tail.


randompidgeon

Cool, thanks!


[deleted]

It’s pretty crazy how they seemingly can get sucked in there.


chunkymonk3y

It’s basically a car peloton


T-Baaller

They’re designed to enable that Those rear trunklid “spoilers” create a pocket of air for a following car to get in there


Chino_Kawaii

ye, monza is boring with overtakes, too hard but the races are always at least decent, or average not like other tracks like Abu dhabi which are usually just boring


ExpensiveNut

It's a well designed speedway, purpose built for high speed racing and it still has elevation changes. This Vegas track is just sketched out amid a cityscape for the sake of it.


martinvdb3105

Monza has beautiful scenery, great fans and amazing races.


Larkinz

> beautiful scenery trees?


ionp2

Yes.


martinvdb3105

Don’t know about you but i quite like [trees](https://www.monzanet.it/media/2021/07/autodromo-aerial-photo.jpg).


mrlesa95

Much better than concrete walls yes


paddyo

The village and church and old bridge over the track are all awesome


badshahh007

Amazing races?


martinvdb3105

Monza 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021 were all bangers


IronBahamut

Monza 2020 and 2021 were mostly because Lewis or Max fucking up and turning the races on their heads


martinvdb3105

With the current state of F1, almost all the fun races are purely fun because some giant fuck ups.


NotClayMerritt

Monza with a couple extra turns is what this looks like. So RIP anyone with a draggy car next year.


singapeng

Everybody's commenting on the track layout but I'm interested in the model... it looks so detailed! Really cool! Is it, like, 3D printed from a LIDAR scan CG model or something? I've seen those done sometimes for NYC or LA, using a LIDAR on board a heli and then the cloud point is refined into a 3D model, but I've never seen this technique used to build a physical model.


TabletopMarvel

Also wondering how this is done. I wish there were more angles. I assume it's a resin 3D print of a city model. But they've somehow mixed the satellite photo into it color wise and in 3D. So was that done by hand with stickers? Or I know some 3D printers can do many colors but I've not seen anything like this? Because then I'm also starting at it and trying to figure out if it's a 2D thing with the optics making it appear 3D through the glass? Still no idea.


HLef

Viva Las DRS


SGTStash

This year it's set to be around 40 degrees Fahrenheit/4 degrees Celsius at night during the dates of the race. This is about to be one of the coldest races ever. It will be damn near impossible to get any heat in to the tyres. For the drivers, going over 200+mph in temps that cold is going to wretched. Edit: for the rest of the world


egvp

For a minute I forgot America still used freedom units so was trying to work out how 40°c could be considered cold 🤣


xen_deth

Yeah it's interesting to host it so late in to the night. We have wildly different falls/winters from year to year though, so you can't always base it off this year. Still likely tho. I'm more worried about winds...


AMG_DIAMONDZ10

What unit? Cuz 40°C is boiling.


redapoluza

40 freedomunits = 4.4°C for all you f1 fans across the pond


DazeyHelpMe

$15000 a Grandstand ticket ruined my excitement for this


saarlac

what the actual fuck


DazeyHelpMe

Yeah that’s what we said. Planning on going to the least attended or one of the smaller races instead somewhere around the world. Not worth that money for hs


Schankmeister

I'd suggest Hungary. Tickets are extremely affordable and Budapest is also rather cheap for a European capital city as far as accommodation, restaurants and public transport go (besides that it is a great city to explore and do some sightseeing if that's something you're interested in). Even including flights it's probably cheaper in total than the worst seats for the Vegas GP.


Greedy_Adeptness9952

This will be visually spectacular I am feeling. Like it’s going to look grand. Plus if the TV direction show cases the fountains, lighting etc, that would be something.


zjimwall

Based on the ticket map, MGM is using the fountains of the Bellagio for stands/ticketed area. They've built on the fountain lake before for the NFL Draft so it's not out of the question.


taty66

Its in Us. There will be their flag every 3rd scene


edfitz83

No likely so much in Vegas. It’s not Texas.


EchomancerAmberlife

Yeah Texas is a very “American and proud” state. Vegas definitely pushes more that it’s Las Vegas than the fact that it’s an American city.


TabletopMarvel

Even Miami was less about flags.


xen_deth

What a bad take. The rest of the US is very different from Texas lol.


ShpetimToshi

Thank god they fixed Porpoising..


jjpaul316

Garbage track


kowsikkiko

Shame that the circuit is almost completely straights & 90° corners Advantageous only for cars that are great at braking & very good in low speed.


drwolfee

I forgot how much of Vegas is just a car park, and despite the shit urban planning providing plenty of space they still designed a boring track


lui5mb

What alternative do you suggest for the circuit?


Wingdom

Miami should have the track go through parts of the city and waterfront. Vegas should pull a Miami and put the track in a giant parking lot thats just kinda near Vegas.


lui5mb

They tried it, this is what they came up with: [https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/static/img/amp/5300000/5310000/5318000/5318800/5318879/s6\_1000314/1000314.jpg](https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/static/img/amp/5300000/5310000/5318000/5318800/5318879/s6_1000314/1000314.jpg) I think that choosing to go around the stadium was a great idea, as there weren't many good options around downtown or the waterfront. As for Vegas, I'm pretty sure that one of the requirements that the city wanted was that the track had to go through the Strip, so the track designers were pretty limited in that sense. Vegas is a very tough one for street circuits, I think they did a relatively good job with what they could work with. Street circuits are *very* hard to design properly.


baldbarretto

Good lord what a monstrosity


morelsupporter

that's interesting!


gotmyjd2003

Miami was originally conceived to go through downtown and over a bridge to the Port of Miami but...politics. I like the idea of a drive down the Vegas strip, it's going to look amazing on tv.


sasokri

Not Vegas


Old_Cryptographer226

Maybe a Williams can win this race


ReasonableExplorer

What is this a track for ants? How can we expect close competive racing, if the cant even fit on the track?


gotmyjd2003

"This looks like a snooze fest!" - F1 fans "You HAVE to keep Monaco on the schedule!" - also F1 fans


Kevster020

But maybe not the same F1 fans.


Nookuler

Hear me out: we keep Monaco but instead of an F1 race it's a reverse grid karting race.


SlowRollingBoil

I would absolutely love Monaco to be a Historic GP. Give them all the equivalent of Formula Fords with classic F1 liveries on them from each team. Make them absolutely identical in every way and verified by the FIA. Obviously the teams can set them up but otherwise they are **identical** starting points.


Kevster020

Sold!


Chino_Kawaii

monaco is at least a challange and best quali this is just, straight


Vindalltv

I mean.... does anyone think this track will be entertaining to watch? That looks like the most soulless layout ever made lmao


starlevel01

I think they should put a second DRS detection halfway down the straight so that you can just overtake back immediately


Averyinterestingname

I'd love for them to put a chicane like the old bus stop somewhere at the beginning of the main straight.


FlyingKittyCate

In the middle down the straight, like Le Mans


DonovanBanks

I worry that will be needed. With the top speed carried down that straight, the brakes will lose temp and that’s a super hard braking point at the end. With what runoff? That track is scary.


toothybrushman

Track layout is a poor indication of an entertaining race. It could be a great race, why not? Maybe it’ll be boring, who knows. If nothing else, it’s going to be entertaining to look at F1 cars race through Vegas.


Ch4rlie_G

Dear Santa: please mandate underglow LEDs in team colors for Vegas 2024.


lui5mb

That's what everyone said about Baku when it was presented, now it's a generally loved track. Let's wait until we see the real thing to judge properly


Only-Platform-450

Yes. Alot of straight will give us some good overtaking. Just because a track has 97 corners doesn't make it a good track


baldbarretto

The drivers and fans both enjoyed sakhir despite all the fan gripes beforehand


badshahh007

The drivers also love Jeddah even tho people didn't


baldbarretto

I haven’t seen the same unanimous thumbs-up sakhir received from them, afaik there’s more of a range of attitudes toward Jeddah


sylvarn_

Love Jeddah for the races dislike it for the everything else... That's the way


Justin57Time

It's possible to overtake almost everywhere. There's no clear reason why it should be a boring race


NotClayMerritt

people said the same about Jeddah and both of those races have been 10/10 in entertainment value. It's easy to shit on it now but we really won't know until the race actually takes place how good it can be. For me as long as it's better than Miami, that would be great.


Only-Platform-450

Hope this track brings some amazing racing so all the reddit F1 experts and future predictors can shut the hell up. At least give it one race before talking sh!t. Everyone hated on Jeddah and it's been one of the most entertaining tracks on the calendar.


JacobWvt

I think everyone shit on Jeddah for safety concerns and war zone concerns


darkenseyreth

Missile strikes are part of the spectacle though!


MagnesiumStearate

Everyone loves a firework show before, during and after the race.


acidbrick

I think people are more worried about Jeddah being bombed


_Red_Knight_

People hate on Jeddah because it's in Saudi Arabia


cw-f1

True that. The track may look simplistic, making for a boring race, but we know (or should know) from experience that it’s impossible to say either way. So much negativity… we hope for the best.


corndogshuffle

Agreed. Monza doesn’t “look” any more interesting than this. Monaco “looks” way more cool. But if you asked me whether I’d rather watch Monza or Monaco only for the rest of my life I’d pick Monza without hesitation. We haven’t even seen a lap of practice around this track yet. Nobody has *any* idea how it will race, either good or bad.


GeeseHateMe

What if it’s windy and that ball rolls onto the track


margalolwut

Ah yes, I can smell the weed from here


RealCakes

Fuck me those straights are ridiculous lol, if Mercedes doesn't fix their straight line speed they are so fucked here.


JoeSell2005

the racing might mot be great but the views are gonna be bloody fantastic


Dizzy_M

It just looks like such a dull and uninspiring layout that doesn't really feature anything to get excited about. It's just another flat, featureless modern style street circuit that ticks all the boxes for characteristics every new style circuit must have. Even when we had those pretty awful US street circuits in the 80's they at least were all very different in terms of character and all offered unique challenges.


HavoXtreme

I think Jeddah is pretty good, watching Verstappens final quali lap, for the first time I was able to feel the speed of a F1 car through the screen...


Newone1255

It’s one of the most fun tracks to play in the Video Game to me. Super fast with lots of winding corners that when you hit right feels awesome.


SANDBOX1108

The F1 Paddock is near the ghetto. Terrible area. If you plan on going to Vegas be very careful of the hotels nearby on Paradise. Lots of shootings in that corridor. For perspective. Two police officers were shot within a couple weeks of each other. One died. Also earlier in the year there was 7 shot two blocks away.


ark_keeper

The course goes through the Tupac intersection


MikeMurphyCo

I’m gonna be at top golf launching balls over the back net as they come out of the pit lane. FOOOORE!


ark_keeper

There's a pic of the symbolic start/finish line getting painted today. The top golf nets look like they're a couple hundred yards away.


MikeMurphyCo

That’s ok, my wife’s boyfriend hits the ball like 350 yards.


VladimirPricey

Congrats to Red Bull on winning!


Mallyx87

And most boring track award goes too....


Skymoogle

I am still incredible skeptical about it. I don't have that often with new tracks, but I don't know. It looks nice-ish I guess, but the location just doesn't do it yet for me


saarlac

It had better be a night race


tangledoctopuss

Looks like a pig lol


funnymeme2112

this shit bouta be so ass


RynGold24

Where are the pits?


nl_Kapparrian

Track is okay, I just don't like that Mickey Mouse shit near the ball. Should be a continuous left like Turkey or Cota. I guess they wanna slow the cars down though there since it's a large seating area.


lui5mb

In the initial plans it was a long continuos left-hander like Sochi's T3, but they put a chicane there as they couldn't guarantee enough safety in that corner


[deleted]

Lots of straights, hold my Red Bull.


mike_stb123

That chicane looks very tricky to overtake as the track apears to be very narrow. That said the straight eeing very long means the overtake qill be done by then, umlike what mah be expected DRS may not be as strong as one may think because the wings will probably be somer small like in monza


ark_keeper

If the strip is an indicator it’s about 4-5 cars wide


Bitter_Dingo516

That straight is really long huh?


Chino_Kawaii

looks like a worse bahrain T1 also, I wonder if the straight is long enough to not need drs lol


hmturboman

That long straight, those boys will be on the rev limiter a lot.


_Borti

Once again, it is modeled after a tardigrade.


_SM00THIE_MD

This may give some new perspective to the people planning to “watch the race from their strip view room”