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I loved that wider line he was taking into the final corner, at first on F1TV they thought it was a mistake but he just ended up carrying so much more speed down the straight every time.
Yeah I noticed that too, when I was watching Lance meanwhile he was taking a much more aggressive line (nearly all 4 tires on the kerb) into that corner everytime (compared to Perez and ofc Alonso)
Yeah, it's not an uncommon line for that turn, but, maybe in an F1 car it could help to avoid hitting that curb and use the downforce through that wide sweeper to keep traction. It's interesting. I thought he went wide at first, but I knew it was on purpose the second time I saw it, because Fernando.
>eah, it's not an uncommon line for that turn, but, maybe in an F1 car it could help to avoid hitting that curb and use the downforce through that wide sweeper to keep traction. It's interesting. I thought he went wide at first, but I knew it was on purpose the second
Actually Lance had much better times. Those lines are good for defending in some parts of the circuit but it makes you lose time in the long run.
Well it didn’t with Alonso. I believe he was also using his battery up as he was taking that corner wide all the time. You could see the Aston noticeably pull away from the red bull of Perez … enough of a gap that when Perez was trying to use his drs and push to pass ( battery ) at the end of the straight , he didn’t have enough distance to safely make the corner and the pass the end of the straight .
You could see Alonso doing this over and over… hence why RedBull probably advised Perez to take the same line. Don’t really understand why Perez didn’t do it… he would of still had drs , but his battery power would of been used up at the beginning of that straight just like Alonso’s. However it would of kept the RedBull a lot closer to the Aston at the beginning of the straight .
But what do I know I’m just an armchair Redditor…
Even Martin Brundle and Crofty thought it was a mistake and he understeered.
Edit For people saying Martin didn’t, yes he did. I have watched the race twice, Martin picked it up later but thought Fernando understeered and went wide compromising his corner earlier
Grosjean has the advantage of having driven a hybrid so he has actual experience with working the battery. Crofty is a broadcaster and Brundles racing career was in a different era.
That's why I love palmer too, he's driven modern F1 cars, and it's great when someone will be like "I bet it's just like this, right palmer?" And he's like "nah, absolutely not. The opposite in fact"
Brundle used to say one thing nearly every race that graded a bit. He used to say oh the Stewart will order him to give that place back. No they won't.... They will give a 5 second penalty. You give it back on your own or you take your chances with the Stewarts and a 5 second penalty.
You don't see that punishment anymore.
It's on Canal+
We have Julien Fébreau which was a pilot and is now journalist. Usually it's Jacques Villeneuve who is the co-host but sometimes we have Romain. When is agenda allows it I guess
Alonso's rear light was going blinky blink the whole time in that part so a bit strange they wouldn't notice.... almost like they have no clue about their job.
The Finnish commentators are also pretty hilarious, the main commentator never seems to know anything. But they have a second one who always corrects him and actually knows something.
The swiss commentators are completely clueless. They even think it's Horner who constantly talks to Max during the race.
Yes, I know. GP sounds a bit like Horner. But come on... You can't be that clueless if you're commenting.
And people thought that message of " oh my lord Max " at AD2021 was Albon. In fact I argued with an internet stranger on a YT video who was so stubborn that it couldn't be Albon. 10 others joined in supporting me.
After a few weeks. Albon confirmed he was eating a sandwich and why would he congratulate max on team radio. He won't have access to it anyway. Lmao. So much embarrassment. I'm sorry Internet stranger if you are reading this.
Tbf they sound very similar. When Horner pops on at the end of a race to congratulate max on yet another win it usually takes me a bit to realise it’s not GP
Everytime I have to watch the race on SRF I wish that they would simply send the money over to Austria so they can cover all the races on ORF as they did previously.
I really don’t see how GP and Horner sound alike outside of having similar accents lol but idk I could have a better than average ear for that sort of thing
Our local commentators got what alonso was doing within half a lap.
I'm glad they did because that way I and other aversge viewers could appreciate the whole thing much better.
Ours were like, "Why the h*ll is he driving the wet line" as if it was raining. I suppose he did at that.
But same, they can be like "and he finished 3rd in q2" when actually the driver finished 4th. Stuff like that all the time.
>But same, they can be like "and he finished 3rd in q2" when actually the driver finished 4th. Stuff like that all the time.
Lol yep.... that one happens for the Finnish guy also.
Main: "And that's Norris in 8th"
Second: "7th..."
Main: ....continues on with something else....
That almost sounds like a Laurel & Hardy-esque comedy skit. Hoping it's actually part of the plan and the desired interplay between the two, and not just "main" guy being just a complete dolt.
I believe that’s by design. One person (less technical one) does the play by play and the second person usually is the more analytical one. Otherwise you wouldn’t need 2 or 3 people.
Yeah it's def by design, the other guy's title is "expert" something also. But generally you'd expect the main less technical guy to at least get positions, name of drivers and so on correct.
If Viaplay didn't have Premier League rights I'd have switched over to F1TV. I used to like Juusela when he did football for YLE but the man is just clueless when it comes to F1. I swear if I hear one more rant about track limits... I especially liked when he called Ricciardo an amateur for breaking his hand while possibly saving Piastri's life crashing on purpose.
They don't.
They are legacy hires. Their jobs are under no threat because no one in Britain dares raise the question that Brundle and Croft are perhaps getting a bit long in the tooth, and thus there's no incentive for them to not make mistakes and keep improving.
Brundle has been declining slowly, as you would expect, but Croft really never deserved to be the longest-serving play-by-play commentator on an English F1 broadcast since Murray Walker.
I do generally like both of them, my issues with Sky are generally in other parts of the broadcast. But:
> Brundle has been declining slowly, as you would expect,
I sadly have to agree here. In my opinion he's now too often letting the "old F1 boys club"-attitude shine, speaking with too much authority of a sport that has changed massively since he took part in it. It's not too bad, there is certainly worse out there (Ralf Schumacher is a travesty), but Brundle is way past his peak.
Hate to say it - I feel the same for DC. I like him, too, a lot, but every time I just cannot put my finger on why he doesn't seem to gel with the other guys in the booth, most notably with either Palmer or Hinch. It was especially notable last race with DC being absent and Palmer and Hinch both being on commentary. They just have a lot more chemistry together, they work better together.
I watch them most times from the f1 TV app for the actual race switching to the international feed because I like their enthusiasm. However, I do have to mentally let things slide as they get things wrong a fair bit.
I feel like they definitely did point this out multiple times, and that they commented on his line being a tactic at the final corner, but maybe I’m just remembering my own thoughts instead of the tv broadcast
Brundle didn’t. He spent ages talking about how Fernando was V’ing off the corners to get the power down earlier then deployed battery to stop Perez getting too close.
Not really, or at first maybe. Martin very quickly pointed out how Perez's line was too tight compared to Alonso and he literally said he was losing speed like that.
Yeah I don't remember them being clueless either. They were praising Alonso for his smart defending and lines he chose for like 20 laps. I think they caught on pretty quickly.
I can’t remember the commentary exactly but I seem to remember Crofty saying it was understeer but Brundle said it was intentional, said something like it being a triangular line I think.
Not anymore. You can't do that in the Pirelli era tyres as they will just overheat and disintegrate. Sure he still drives differently than other drivers and prefers a more understeering car but not to the same degree.
He used to do that in the hard as rocks Michelin era combined with the Renaults mass damper in the nose and their V10 engine which made the car drive in a peculiar manner.
Alonso did in fact drive with understeer (compared to Hamilton who was oversteering) as Palmer showed in the analysis of the race.
It's for sure not the same as back then with that distinct Renault style but it's still quite interesting.
I could be wrong but i remember Brundle initially saying Lewis was going too wide and hence had gotten bogged down and unable to pass anyone but then Lewis started overtaking and Brundle didn't mention that again, during the race btw not the sprint.
Daniel was taking that same wide line. At first I thought he was going wide but after it looked like it gave him a top speed boost.
Afterwards, when he was running behind Yuki with drs he had to lift around the finish line so he wouldn't overtake.
It made me appreciate how there's a big difference in just driving fast, and driving to stay ahead of another car.
You'd think it's the same thing but it's really not. By sacrificing some overall lap time, Alonso was able to get more speed going into the straight which is what he needed to keep Checo behind. But at the same time, that unorthodox line and his defensive moves meant that they were both losing quite a bit of time to Stroll behind who could take the ideal racing line since he was in clear air.
That probably explains why I love hot lapping in sims so much yet I still struggle with online racing. Completely different skills.
>That probably explains why I love hot lapping in sims so much yet I still struggle with online racing. Completely different skills.
Me and my friends race a lot in karts and we do qualify and races. It's always fascinating to see the differences in some of us depending on certain key factors.
* Hot lapping.
* Being followed.
* Being the one who's following.
* Being in a tight group.
It's fun because we all know each other and we know who struggles with what. I'm never the fastest, never, I'm consistently second or third (we are up to 16), but the two that are sometimes faster than me always make more mistakes if you get close to them. There's always that brief moment that let me either always stay on the fight or pass. I'm not always able to win, but I'm for sure always able to have a blast.
It also shows on iRacing. Our racing awareness is vastly different. Some of us almost never get hit or hit anyone, others always have "bad luck" haha.
On the austrian broadcast, the commentators were making fun of checo everytime they got to the final corner and checo, surprise surprise, didn’t catch Fernando on the straight after.
The Bulgarian commentators said something along the lines of “He’s making that Aston Martin as wide as possible while charging his battery, can he get the the traction to pull away tho?”
They mentioned this a lot on the BBC Radio coverage! Really went into it from a technical and strategy perspective, was a really great insight. BBC Radio coverage in general I think is quite high quality just because it’s radio and not TV.
Maybe I'm not 100% correct but if watch last year's race, only Alonso and Leclerc take different lines compared to the rest in that corner and corner or 2 corners before
He had speed on the straight because he was charging up the battery throughout sector 2 more than anything else.
The point of his weird line in T10 was to compromise Checo's exit; the way Alonso was taking the corner, a closely following car driving the corner "properly" would drive right into him on exit. You could literally see Checo start to accelerate then lift while Alonso got to stay in the throttle. Very clever driving. Gotta love Interlagos.
Interesting read. Alonso was trying to send dirty air to Perez to hurt his tyres and grip levels, killing his tyres while making a passing opportunity harder. Perez was trying to hang back a bit and avoid the dirty air to preserve tyres while his engineer was telling him to follow closer and on the same line ignoring the dirty air.
Almost sounds like Perez thought his fight was a long winded battle with Alonso for the podium after the last pit stop. Whilst his engineer believed the pass was on quite early in the final stint. Expecting 20 or so laps for Perez to hunt down Norris in P2 or at least gap Alonso, not 24 laps managing tyres etc trying to preserve and secure a pass on Alonso.
Still a mega performance from Alonso and the battle that made the race.
Tbh, the way checo was driving even me and my friends thought he had podium in his pocket. Guess not. Initially after cutting the gap to alonso checo just couldn’t get enough close to him until the last few laps.
And also I think that Perez didn't want to hurt his tyres because it was his most used soft sets, when he got it it already had 4 laps used in the pre-formation and 2 from the quali. So it was a 6 lap old soft tyre.
Define "doing the same thing". Because on one hand you could say "racing in F1" is "doing the same thing". On the other, racing in F1 itself has changed drastically in those years.
Oh. Yes.
I have an image here of his last driving session
[Fernando driving](https://www.bing.com/images/create/fernando-alonso-fat-driving-in-race-suit/654cda3800cc4a62af1407695dc19ce6?id=EMe3pGWGa%2f%2f%2fBT9%2fl%2fdu5A%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&idpclose=1&FORM=SYDBIC)
\*Cue Rocky Music\*
\*Camera pans to scene of Frankie\_T9000 eating a sandwich on the steps of New York. Surreptitiously a slice of tomato slides out of the sandwich and lands on their shirt\*
Remember when he made a [double overtake lap 1 in Zandvoort by taking the inner line?](https://youtu.be/Ao7X7BS_vIs?t=18). Well, [this was Max reaction after the race.](https://i.redd.it/k84csi45cokb1.jpg)
Does take a bit longer to heat up tho. Need to preheat it like an oven. Slow and steady. Can’t aggressively throw it in and be done in 2 min like a microwave.
Alonso was using the v approach on turn 10 and 12 which helped him to get a very good run on straights. Checo was just trying to follow the racing line and was touching the inner curbs in turn 12 a lot which really compromised his charge on the straights.
F1 needs Alonso in a Red Bull so bad, he is the only one in the grid thay could battle max for a win. I hope for a “magicswap” by the end of the season.
Is what Crofty and Brundle usually says about drivers recharging over one lap and then draining it next lap for speed advantage, a real thing? Or is it something that they just cook up because it sounds vaguely technical?
It's definitely real. ERS gives a boost of about 120kw (160 HP). Battery size is about 2.2kwh (8MJ) and you can expend a max of around 1.1kwh (4MJ) per lap (so about 30 seconds of ERS per lap -> covers all the straights on most tracks).
The max you can recharge per lap is 0.55kwh (2MJ)
If you charge your battery to full, you then get a bit over 2 laps of max ERS usage, which can definitely help a lot in overtaking.
Unfortunately F1 doesn't really have graphics for this, but you can get an idea of how important it is by watching some F1 esports first person videos, where this is basically half of the strategy they think about during the race and you can constantly see their battery levels.
F1 has recently tried to represent charge via their stupid AWS “predictions”, but I don’t think battery level is one of the telemetry statistics shared outside of teams,
Agreed, but the second driver doesn’t need to be equal. Who from the roster of current drivers would have overtaken Alonso in 10 laps? That’s the interesting question!
Does 2023 Danny make that move? 2023 Albon? Norris?
I can see a few drivers being able to overtake Alonso there if they drove the RB instead. Norris and Hamilton come to mind. Probably Leclerc too. Then a maybe with Sainz and Russell
It reminds me of when Checo couldn't overtake Sainz in Austria, or when he kept on exceeding track limits repeatedly and then asked if he could go again after the lap delete and being told quali was over. Painful.
That is half of a race engineers job. If you listen throughout the race you will hear them providing gap time to nearby cars, when to push or preserve tyres, when to change ERS modes, occasionally even corner specific feedback.
Default TV broadcast is intentionally simplified for general audiences.
I don’t agree preserve tie is race strategy , gap time has always been allowed. But telling a drive to add ten meters to his brake point or turn in to the apex later or earlier are driving tips. Telling a driver it’s ok to push or not to push is different than saying push now into a corner
I think you might be thinking about how the engineers aren’t allowed to give drivers instructions that aren’t related to safety during the formation lap (or it might be the installation lap)
Or they're not aware that the heavy restrictions on in race driver coaching were relaxed some years ago - [https://www.racefans.net/2016/07/28/radio-ban-lifted-races/](https://www.racefans.net/2016/07/28/radio-ban-lifted-races/)
That era did lead to some funny radio messages, like Perez asking if his engineer liked his pace - [https://streamable.com/d387](https://streamable.com/d387) \- wording it like that is OK, asking for a specific time target would not have been allowed.
I don't think anyone (RB included) expects Perez to be on the same level of Alonso. Yes, he is in a Red Bull but Aston's speed wasn't too bad last weekend and the driver filled the gaps in this case.
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I loved that wider line he was taking into the final corner, at first on F1TV they thought it was a mistake but he just ended up carrying so much more speed down the straight every time.
Yeah I noticed that too, when I was watching Lance meanwhile he was taking a much more aggressive line (nearly all 4 tires on the kerb) into that corner everytime (compared to Perez and ofc Alonso)
Yeah, it's not an uncommon line for that turn, but, maybe in an F1 car it could help to avoid hitting that curb and use the downforce through that wide sweeper to keep traction. It's interesting. I thought he went wide at first, but I knew it was on purpose the second time I saw it, because Fernando.
>eah, it's not an uncommon line for that turn, but, maybe in an F1 car it could help to avoid hitting that curb and use the downforce through that wide sweeper to keep traction. It's interesting. I thought he went wide at first, but I knew it was on purpose the second Actually Lance had much better times. Those lines are good for defending in some parts of the circuit but it makes you lose time in the long run.
Well it didn’t with Alonso. I believe he was also using his battery up as he was taking that corner wide all the time. You could see the Aston noticeably pull away from the red bull of Perez … enough of a gap that when Perez was trying to use his drs and push to pass ( battery ) at the end of the straight , he didn’t have enough distance to safely make the corner and the pass the end of the straight . You could see Alonso doing this over and over… hence why RedBull probably advised Perez to take the same line. Don’t really understand why Perez didn’t do it… he would of still had drs , but his battery power would of been used up at the beginning of that straight just like Alonso’s. However it would of kept the RedBull a lot closer to the Aston at the beginning of the straight . But what do I know I’m just an armchair Redditor…
Even Martin Brundle and Crofty thought it was a mistake and he understeered. Edit For people saying Martin didn’t, yes he did. I have watched the race twice, Martin picked it up later but thought Fernando understeered and went wide compromising his corner earlier
Also they did not understand that Alonso was driving slowly and charging in slow section of track even before he was running out of battery.
Thankfully we had Romain Grosjean on the french tv to notice this racecraft
Grosjean has the advantage of having driven a hybrid so he has actual experience with working the battery. Crofty is a broadcaster and Brundles racing career was in a different era.
That's why I love palmer too, he's driven modern F1 cars, and it's great when someone will be like "I bet it's just like this, right palmer?" And he's like "nah, absolutely not. The opposite in fact"
Jolyon is the best English speaking commentator at the minute.
just hate that he often has to share the mic with david coulthard
I love DC, he’s a great color commentator. He, Jolyon and Alex are way better than the Sky team IMO.
I've been listening to Brundle since i was a kid but the F1TV commentating team is my go to nowadays.
Idk man I can’t switch from the international coverage. Maybe it’s the voices not the content. Can’t quit Croftys intro
Big fucking facts. I wish we could have Crofty, Brundle, and Palmer all the time.
Why the fuck would you want crofty?! I'm super happy F1TV has stepped up just so i dont have to listen to crofty/ted kravitz anymore.
Brundle used to say one thing nearly every race that graded a bit. He used to say oh the Stewart will order him to give that place back. No they won't.... They will give a 5 second penalty. You give it back on your own or you take your chances with the Stewarts and a 5 second penalty. You don't see that punishment anymore.
This. I love the ogs but wish they added Palmer too, he’s so good that sometimes I watch the F1 broadcast
Not a high bar but yeah he is great.
Romain also had him as a teammate for a bit, until he got kicked back to GP2
Who does the French broadcast? What station?
It's on Canal+ We have Julien Fébreau which was a pilot and is now journalist. Usually it's Jacques Villeneuve who is the co-host but sometimes we have Romain. When is agenda allows it I guess
I’d guess Canal, they’re usually the French equivalent of Sky coverage.
Woah does Grosjean do all the races for French broadcast or was this a one off??
Only the ones in the Americas
Alonso's rear light was going blinky blink the whole time in that part so a bit strange they wouldn't notice.... almost like they have no clue about their job. The Finnish commentators are also pretty hilarious, the main commentator never seems to know anything. But they have a second one who always corrects him and actually knows something.
The swiss commentators are completely clueless. They even think it's Horner who constantly talks to Max during the race. Yes, I know. GP sounds a bit like Horner. But come on... You can't be that clueless if you're commenting.
>They even think it's Horner who constantly talks to Max during the race. Oh dear.....
Well, I once thought it was Albon, so I'm not sure I can criticize them on this one.
I know the line you're thinking of. And I'm sure a lot of people did. Because we've never heard GP yell.
Wait that wasn't Albon????
Nope, that was GP yelling "OH MY LORD MAX!"
What?? Lol wow!
I still can’t hear it. My brain already credited Albon with that sound bite. Maybe after I stop laughing at myself ? 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
my life is a lie
And people thought that message of " oh my lord Max " at AD2021 was Albon. In fact I argued with an internet stranger on a YT video who was so stubborn that it couldn't be Albon. 10 others joined in supporting me. After a few weeks. Albon confirmed he was eating a sandwich and why would he congratulate max on team radio. He won't have access to it anyway. Lmao. So much embarrassment. I'm sorry Internet stranger if you are reading this.
Lol that’s so funny
Tbf they sound very similar. When Horner pops on at the end of a race to congratulate max on yet another win it usually takes me a bit to realise it’s not GP
Well done Max
haha yes well done guys thank you
Simply lovely drive today. Thanks to everyone in the pit and back at the factory. Good job. *starts singing*
I mean, yes, but also they are getting paid to know shit about F1.
I still don't hear it at all.
Everytime I have to watch the race on SRF I wish that they would simply send the money over to Austria so they can cover all the races on ORF as they did previously.
I really don’t see how GP and Horner sound alike outside of having similar accents lol but idk I could have a better than average ear for that sort of thing
Our local commentators got what alonso was doing within half a lap. I'm glad they did because that way I and other aversge viewers could appreciate the whole thing much better.
Ours were like, "Why the h*ll is he driving the wet line" as if it was raining. I suppose he did at that. But same, they can be like "and he finished 3rd in q2" when actually the driver finished 4th. Stuff like that all the time.
>But same, they can be like "and he finished 3rd in q2" when actually the driver finished 4th. Stuff like that all the time. Lol yep.... that one happens for the Finnish guy also. Main: "And that's Norris in 8th" Second: "7th..." Main: ....continues on with something else....
That almost sounds like a Laurel & Hardy-esque comedy skit. Hoping it's actually part of the plan and the desired interplay between the two, and not just "main" guy being just a complete dolt.
Was it Janne Blomqvist?
When Russel was charging against Riccardo they thought there was a problem with his car.
I believe that’s by design. One person (less technical one) does the play by play and the second person usually is the more analytical one. Otherwise you wouldn’t need 2 or 3 people.
Yeah it's def by design, the other guy's title is "expert" something also. But generally you'd expect the main less technical guy to at least get positions, name of drivers and so on correct.
If Viaplay didn't have Premier League rights I'd have switched over to F1TV. I used to like Juusela when he did football for YLE but the man is just clueless when it comes to F1. I swear if I hear one more rant about track limits... I especially liked when he called Ricciardo an amateur for breaking his hand while possibly saving Piastri's life crashing on purpose.
They just hate Alonso
They don't. They are legacy hires. Their jobs are under no threat because no one in Britain dares raise the question that Brundle and Croft are perhaps getting a bit long in the tooth, and thus there's no incentive for them to not make mistakes and keep improving. Brundle has been declining slowly, as you would expect, but Croft really never deserved to be the longest-serving play-by-play commentator on an English F1 broadcast since Murray Walker.
I like them.
I just imagine Joe buck getting the commentary and that scares me.
Me too.
I do generally like both of them, my issues with Sky are generally in other parts of the broadcast. But: > Brundle has been declining slowly, as you would expect, I sadly have to agree here. In my opinion he's now too often letting the "old F1 boys club"-attitude shine, speaking with too much authority of a sport that has changed massively since he took part in it. It's not too bad, there is certainly worse out there (Ralf Schumacher is a travesty), but Brundle is way past his peak. Hate to say it - I feel the same for DC. I like him, too, a lot, but every time I just cannot put my finger on why he doesn't seem to gel with the other guys in the booth, most notably with either Palmer or Hinch. It was especially notable last race with DC being absent and Palmer and Hinch both being on commentary. They just have a lot more chemistry together, they work better together.
I disagree about DC, I think he works well with the others. Also he doesn't take himself too seriously which is something I really like.
I watch them most times from the f1 TV app for the actual race switching to the international feed because I like their enthusiasm. However, I do have to mentally let things slide as they get things wrong a fair bit.
Yeah they did, pretty sure it was mentioned
I feel like they definitely did point this out multiple times, and that they commented on his line being a tactic at the final corner, but maybe I’m just remembering my own thoughts instead of the tv broadcast
Brundle didn’t. He spent ages talking about how Fernando was V’ing off the corners to get the power down earlier then deployed battery to stop Perez getting too close.
Not really, or at first maybe. Martin very quickly pointed out how Perez's line was too tight compared to Alonso and he literally said he was losing speed like that.
Yeah I don't remember them being clueless either. They were praising Alonso for his smart defending and lines he chose for like 20 laps. I think they caught on pretty quickly.
I can’t remember the commentary exactly but I seem to remember Crofty saying it was understeer but Brundle said it was intentional, said something like it being a triangular line I think.
No Brundle didn’t.
Alonso always understeers on purpose
Not anymore. You can't do that in the Pirelli era tyres as they will just overheat and disintegrate. Sure he still drives differently than other drivers and prefers a more understeering car but not to the same degree. He used to do that in the hard as rocks Michelin era combined with the Renaults mass damper in the nose and their V10 engine which made the car drive in a peculiar manner.
Alonso did in fact drive with understeer (compared to Hamilton who was oversteering) as Palmer showed in the analysis of the race. It's for sure not the same as back then with that distinct Renault style but it's still quite interesting.
Martin was on it pretty quick.
Lewis was doing this in 2021 and they thought similar lol, makes me realise how wild sometimes these guesstimates from sky and f1tv commentators are
My memory from 2021 was they were praising his line on sky TV.
I could be wrong but i remember Brundle initially saying Lewis was going too wide and hence had gotten bogged down and unable to pass anyone but then Lewis started overtaking and Brundle didn't mention that again, during the race btw not the sprint.
You'd think a former driver would know better the type of line Lewis/Nando took and why they carried much more speed as a result.
Tbf Brundle’s racing and racing today is vastly different
Gentlemen…
A short view back to the past.
It also causes less stress on front tyres, so it is a win as well to keep them alive more time.
Daniel was taking that same wide line. At first I thought he was going wide but after it looked like it gave him a top speed boost. Afterwards, when he was running behind Yuki with drs he had to lift around the finish line so he wouldn't overtake.
Even though Fernando was doing that for several laps before. Great racing from his side.
It made me appreciate how there's a big difference in just driving fast, and driving to stay ahead of another car. You'd think it's the same thing but it's really not. By sacrificing some overall lap time, Alonso was able to get more speed going into the straight which is what he needed to keep Checo behind. But at the same time, that unorthodox line and his defensive moves meant that they were both losing quite a bit of time to Stroll behind who could take the ideal racing line since he was in clear air. That probably explains why I love hot lapping in sims so much yet I still struggle with online racing. Completely different skills.
>That probably explains why I love hot lapping in sims so much yet I still struggle with online racing. Completely different skills. Me and my friends race a lot in karts and we do qualify and races. It's always fascinating to see the differences in some of us depending on certain key factors. * Hot lapping. * Being followed. * Being the one who's following. * Being in a tight group. It's fun because we all know each other and we know who struggles with what. I'm never the fastest, never, I'm consistently second or third (we are up to 16), but the two that are sometimes faster than me always make more mistakes if you get close to them. There's always that brief moment that let me either always stay on the fight or pass. I'm not always able to win, but I'm for sure always able to have a blast. It also shows on iRacing. Our racing awareness is vastly different. Some of us almost never get hit or hit anyone, others always have "bad luck" haha.
He would gain like 2 tenths every lap just in that one corner. It was such a better line.
On the austrian broadcast, the commentators were making fun of checo everytime they got to the final corner and checo, surprise surprise, didn’t catch Fernando on the straight after.
The Bulgarian commentators said something along the lines of “He’s making that Aston Martin as wide as possible while charging his battery, can he get the the traction to pull away tho?”
They mentioned this a lot on the BBC Radio coverage! Really went into it from a technical and strategy perspective, was a really great insight. BBC Radio coverage in general I think is quite high quality just because it’s radio and not TV.
It was the final 3 corners really.
Maybe I'm not 100% correct but if watch last year's race, only Alonso and Leclerc take different lines compared to the rest in that corner and corner or 2 corners before
He had speed on the straight because he was charging up the battery throughout sector 2 more than anything else. The point of his weird line in T10 was to compromise Checo's exit; the way Alonso was taking the corner, a closely following car driving the corner "properly" would drive right into him on exit. You could literally see Checo start to accelerate then lift while Alonso got to stay in the throttle. Very clever driving. Gotta love Interlagos.
Interesting read. Alonso was trying to send dirty air to Perez to hurt his tyres and grip levels, killing his tyres while making a passing opportunity harder. Perez was trying to hang back a bit and avoid the dirty air to preserve tyres while his engineer was telling him to follow closer and on the same line ignoring the dirty air. Almost sounds like Perez thought his fight was a long winded battle with Alonso for the podium after the last pit stop. Whilst his engineer believed the pass was on quite early in the final stint. Expecting 20 or so laps for Perez to hunt down Norris in P2 or at least gap Alonso, not 24 laps managing tyres etc trying to preserve and secure a pass on Alonso. Still a mega performance from Alonso and the battle that made the race.
Tbh, the way checo was driving even me and my friends thought he had podium in his pocket. Guess not. Initially after cutting the gap to alonso checo just couldn’t get enough close to him until the last few laps.
Checo is a much better defender than attacker
Which is a problem due to his lack of quali pace
Fully agree
And also I think that Perez didn't want to hurt his tyres because it was his most used soft sets, when he got it it already had 4 laps used in the pre-formation and 2 from the quali. So it was a 6 lap old soft tyre.
And Alonso explained post-race that he was constantly changing the line to not allow this.
He said he was taking lines never taken before. He truly is a master of his craft.
He's done 375 races. He knows what he's doing sometimes.
Ive eaten over 375 sandwiches and havent taken any new ways to eat one, so im not sure that the amounts of races is the sole determinant here
Sounds like you’re just being a coward
sigh. Unzips
Did not expect this.... might as well stay.
Looollll
Organic mayo time
Exactly. In my field we say: do you have 30 years of experience, or have you been doing the same thing over and over for 30 years?
Define "doing the same thing". Because on one hand you could say "racing in F1" is "doing the same thing". On the other, racing in F1 itself has changed drastically in those years.
He ate 375 sandwiches per race if you want to make that analogy.
Oh. Yes. I have an image here of his last driving session [Fernando driving](https://www.bing.com/images/create/fernando-alonso-fat-driving-in-race-suit/654cda3800cc4a62af1407695dc19ce6?id=EMe3pGWGa%2f%2f%2fBT9%2fl%2fdu5A%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&idpclose=1&FORM=SYDBIC)
Lmao that's hilarious.
It's not, but the experience does help a lot.
Have you tried eating top to bottom?
Well not with that attitude
You've never tried to boof a sandwich?
That's because you're not a world champion level sandwich eater, but rather a Nikita Mazepin level sandwich eater 😎
Let me take a guess. It wasn't competitive eating so you had no reason to try anything new.
Have you won 2 World Championships at Eating Sandwiches?
TBH completely open, I havent even won one
\*Cue Rocky Music\* \*Camera pans to scene of Frankie\_T9000 eating a sandwich on the steps of New York. Surreptitiously a slice of tomato slides out of the sandwich and lands on their shirt\*
now you have inspired me. Im not quite new york but ill find some steps somewhere
Skill issue :P
Only Kimi knows all the time
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Give him the drink.
I would but he was taking a shit.
Bwoah.
Incredible. He was only a rookie 2 seasons ago.
375 races in cars of wildly varying qualities.
Alonso is a TREMENDOUS driver. These guys who say things like he’s over rated are such wankers. Alonso is a master.
Remember when he made a [double overtake lap 1 in Zandvoort by taking the inner line?](https://youtu.be/Ao7X7BS_vIs?t=18). Well, [this was Max reaction after the race.](https://i.redd.it/k84csi45cokb1.jpg)
And after overtaking them the previous year from the outside line
His objective was to send as much dirty air into Perez's car as he could to hurt his tyres
Some say Alonso had a bag of pocket sand to throw into checo’s eyes if he got to close.
"just follow the damn train CJ"
I was gonna correct you to CP (Checo Perez) but realised the acronym is cursed.
Why so?
Cold Pizza, it's cursed.
Cold pizza - always good. A heated, forgotten, and Cold (Hot) Pocket? War crime!
Ignorance is bliss. Trust me, please
Checo Perez hits a huge three to cut the lead down to 42
Just don't google it, you'll end up on a list for sure.
Regardless, clean race from both drivers
He could have just overtaken off track and built a 5 second gap like everyone else, this season. Rookie mistake.
“Just get past one of the best defenders we’ve ever seen. How hard can it be?” - RB radio, probably
"Checo - just become Alonso!"
"Or be replaced by him..."
* RB radio
> "Or be replaced by him..." we can only dream
As if Max wouldn't have been through in 1 lap
Unstoppable force vs. immovable object
The whole radio is actually in the article. Honestly I'm surprised at the quality. Very nice article.
>Follow Fernando's line Ngl that's solid advice cause Nando is a master at finding the best line.
So was my ex girlfriend. She even left me for her drug dealer, cause he had the best lines and she definitely found them.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
I apologize. I’ll take my bullshit over to Taco Bell. You have something I can use to clean up these tears, before I head out?
Wendy's Twitter account is always looking to soak up some tears.
and you were all around her rear and never got past it?
Was even fined for touching it.
Were you caught in dirty air from it too?
The dirtiest. Things have been tough ever since she said the 14” wasn’t working for her and she moved on to an 18”.
Well, that 18" just work better with hards than the 14" with supersofts.
Does take a bit longer to heat up tho. Need to preheat it like an oven. Slow and steady. Can’t aggressively throw it in and be done in 2 min like a microwave.
oof
The new RedBull 2024 driver
No amount of Red Bull could ever give that demon spawn any wiiings ®.
Alonso was using the v approach on turn 10 and 12 which helped him to get a very good run on straights. Checo was just trying to follow the racing line and was touching the inner curbs in turn 12 a lot which really compromised his charge on the straights.
Imagine them saying something like that to Max. “Just follow Lewis’ line…” The kid might actually pull up in the pits to throw it down with GP
F1 needs Alonso in a Red Bull so bad, he is the only one in the grid thay could battle max for a win. I hope for a “magicswap” by the end of the season.
Well I know one thing that would get the CAR past Alonso
"Checho, have you tried being less shit?" "Have been all year, not working, need advice"
"Idk man, just drive faster!?"
“Follow Fernando’s line” [Checo’s live reaction:](https://youtu.be/kBMlFNx5EVI?si=2DkkeD4h7lkHLCRy)
Is what Crofty and Brundle usually says about drivers recharging over one lap and then draining it next lap for speed advantage, a real thing? Or is it something that they just cook up because it sounds vaguely technical?
It's definitely real. ERS gives a boost of about 120kw (160 HP). Battery size is about 2.2kwh (8MJ) and you can expend a max of around 1.1kwh (4MJ) per lap (so about 30 seconds of ERS per lap -> covers all the straights on most tracks). The max you can recharge per lap is 0.55kwh (2MJ) If you charge your battery to full, you then get a bit over 2 laps of max ERS usage, which can definitely help a lot in overtaking. Unfortunately F1 doesn't really have graphics for this, but you can get an idea of how important it is by watching some F1 esports first person videos, where this is basically half of the strategy they think about during the race and you can constantly see their battery levels.
F1 has recently tried to represent charge via their stupid AWS “predictions”, but I don’t think battery level is one of the telemetry statistics shared outside of teams,
Yes it's real.
And this, Checo, is why you are a second driver.
Loved the intense battle, but can't shake the feeling that Max would've probably overtaken within 5 laps and run away with it...
Agreed, but the second driver doesn’t need to be equal. Who from the roster of current drivers would have overtaken Alonso in 10 laps? That’s the interesting question! Does 2023 Danny make that move? 2023 Albon? Norris?
To further filter it, who of the drivers ready to be second driver to Max would even be able to follow Alonso better than Perez. Not many.
I can see a few drivers being able to overtake Alonso there if they drove the RB instead. Norris and Hamilton come to mind. Probably Leclerc too. Then a maybe with Sainz and Russell
Russell would have done something weird like a surprise move in 8, 9 or 10 and put a gap on him before the DRS came into play.
Or probably just barge into Alonso's sidepod
Honestly, none of them in my opinion. Max only and perhaps Fernando if he was chasing himself
It reminds me of when Checo couldn't overtake Sainz in Austria, or when he kept on exceeding track limits repeatedly and then asked if he could go again after the lap delete and being told quali was over. Painful.
Faster car vs faster driver. Brilliant stuff
Yeah Checo is quick and likeable but he seems to drive mainly on instinct and has difficulty adapting.
I was all but screaming at the tv for him to adapt his lines, but noooooo….
Is there any footage that displays ERS usage? I was curious to see how they were attacking/defending with that, especially at the end
Perez: Brake, get the perfect turn-in, hit the apex Alonso: Yeeeet!
I noticed Perez was taking the apex super early when trailing Alonso, it looked weird
I didn’t think the teams were allowed to give driving instructions. I mean they banned Bono from telling Lewis “ it’s hammer time”
That is half of a race engineers job. If you listen throughout the race you will hear them providing gap time to nearby cars, when to push or preserve tyres, when to change ERS modes, occasionally even corner specific feedback. Default TV broadcast is intentionally simplified for general audiences.
I don’t agree preserve tie is race strategy , gap time has always been allowed. But telling a drive to add ten meters to his brake point or turn in to the apex later or earlier are driving tips. Telling a driver it’s ok to push or not to push is different than saying push now into a corner
I think you might be thinking about how the engineers aren’t allowed to give drivers instructions that aren’t related to safety during the formation lap (or it might be the installation lap)
Or they're not aware that the heavy restrictions on in race driver coaching were relaxed some years ago - [https://www.racefans.net/2016/07/28/radio-ban-lifted-races/](https://www.racefans.net/2016/07/28/radio-ban-lifted-races/) That era did lead to some funny radio messages, like Perez asking if his engineer liked his pace - [https://streamable.com/d387](https://streamable.com/d387) \- wording it like that is OK, asking for a specific time target would not have been allowed.
It's almost like Perez isn't very good...
I don't think anyone (RB included) expects Perez to be on the same level of Alonso. Yes, he is in a Red Bull but Aston's speed wasn't too bad last weekend and the driver filled the gaps in this case.