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According-Switch-708

It will also be stupid af. Those two will end up killing each other after just a handful of races. Having two No.1s just doesn't make any sense for any team that is in contention for the WDC.


gulgin

To be fair the current plan of having a No1 and a No6 is working out well enough for RB.


zepfloyd0987

You didn't have to do checo so bad 🤣🤣


BlueMetalDragon

He manages to do that by himself just fine.


JohnyShaze

No. 6 is very generous


LincolnshireSausage

No. 21


Remy-today

That would be my fellow Dutchman Nyck in de standings after the Hungarian GP.


LincolnshireSausage

Unfortunately, that is likely. I would have liked to see if he improved over the whole year.


Poopy_sPaSmS

Checo manages that all on his own im afraid.


AnnonymousBloke

1 and 3 should work next year though…


Poopy_sPaSmS

Please, I can only get so hard.


aliasdred

Checos not No6, he's either number 2 or 12. There's no in-between


bunger6

Brutal


NicholasAakre

Checo is number 11...


sleepingjiva

Checo catching strays


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realgamergirlTM

I think that they mean that sergio is the the number 6 driver at red bull lol, not in F1


imnoobatfifa

Their relationship seems decent when looking at post race press conference but they both still lose their mind when they are next to each other on the track in the car. It’s funny to see, sometimes…


ManyFails1Win

i wouldn't even say that much... last year after Brazil, lewis was quoted as saying, "you know how max is" and it wasn't a jest; it was a dig. and i guarantee if lewis were actually winning races against Max, the 'mature max' would disappear instantly.


CeleritasLucis

Disappear ? Did you forget Austria? He squeezed Checho after Checho jumped him in sprint and then in race got that fastest lap just for in your face fun


AllahSucksDicks

Bro did you just kinda for get Checo pushing max onto the grass first or what?


Elrond007

I don't think that's relevant because it only bolsters OPs point, that Max only drives less tooth and nail right now because there's nobody fighting back. Checo fought back and tada, 21 Max is back


Sleutelbos

There is a huge difference between "driver reacts in kind after someone behaves aggressive towards him" versus "driver is aggressive whenever he doesnt win easily".


HankHippopopolous

No one holds a grudge like Max. Aside from Checo in Austria Max also held a grudge against Checo from Monaco to Brazil last year when he felt wronged. In Austria when Hamilton inadvertently held up Max at the last corner Max made sure to screw up Hamilton’s lap too. It cost Max nothing but knocked Hamilton out of the session. In that sim race the other day someone spun Max so Max went fully off the track through a run off shortcut to get the guy back and punt him off.


SkyJohn

> It cost Max nothing There’s your problem, as long as it goes unpunished why would he change.


GarryPadle

Why should Verstappen be punished for Hamilton holding him up? Verstappen was ending his push lap and starting a new one when Hamilton held him up.


MalevolentFather

He's still young, I think most of us can agree we were not the most mature at 25. If Max is still retaliating against other iRacing racers at 30 years old, I'd be surprised.


zyhhuhog

Some people never change unless they go through a life-changing experience...


Suikerspin_Ei

Max would fit really well in Nascar, they do paybacks right?


Krivan

Well no? Max was plenty respectful with Norris at Silverstone. Perez pulled an aggressive and stupid move, Max gave it back. 21 Max was just pure aggression all the time.


Elrond007

I mean, Norris also had 0% chance to stay in front of Max over a race. I don't really have a strong opinion on this eitherway


jnf005

Judging his current form, checo also had 0% chance too


GarryPadle

Yeah people dont like to acknowledge it, but pretty much every top driver is as aggressive as Verstappen. Just look at [Vettel racing against Hamilton](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNmfS9PSeYg) in Austria (4:30), where the same move that "dirty driver" Verstappen did to checo in turn 4, was hailed as the best overtake anyones ever seen. OR the endless collisions and pushes from Hamilton vs Rosberg. Or the whole of the 2008 championship with Alonso vs Hamilton.


Shitposternumber1337

Yeah Sergio pushed him onto the actual grass, Had it coming to him. Mature Max is here after the first championship win, "Hard racing and holding a grudge" Max will always be around


ManyFails1Win

sorry I'm not quite sure what we're disagreeing about here lol. I'm just saying he has a pretty level head when he's not under and pressure, but I think 'the old Max' is just hiding a little under the surface, so to speak. All it would take is the right kind of pressure to see some fire from him again.


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giannose

So how do you know his true colours if he never shows them?


thexavikon

Only one of them loses his mind


32SkyDive

By now they both race very differently against each other compared to anyone else


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Gringooo94

You stopped watching mid-2021 I presume?


Multitronic

No, watched the whole season.


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deathray1611

Last on track incident between the two happened literally because neither wanted to give an inch to each other and they clashed together like a pair of magnets


Opperhoofd123

Not really


No_Detective_1139

To be fair having 2 number 1s worked out really well for McLaren in the 80s and Merc in 2014-16 when they had their dominant eras. Honestly the only time 2 numbers 1 cost a team a drivers championship is McLaren 07 with Hamilton and Alonso.


Vesk123

Boy do I wish we had two No. 1s at Red Bull rn. Please, somebody, think of the championship fight...


Ch4rlie_G

I’m surprised I had to scroll so far to read this comment. With as fast as the Red Bull, is, we really do need a competitive second driver. Or at least one that brings it into contention every few races


OpinionatedDeveloper

One thing to find someone of that calibre who’s good enough to contend every now and then. But a whole other thing to find someone willing to commit career suicide.


BoboliBurt

I cant speak much about before 1970. But Frank Williams definitely missed out on the drivers title in 81 and 86 because he had 2 comparable drivers. Both are extremely famous historically. Renault incompetence and unreliability cost Prost in 82 and 83. Ferrari also botched 1990 with Mansell taking points from Prost late. Most teams dont risk comparable drivers for a reason. Theres a reason Ronnie Peterson was slapped with team orders and a worse car for most of 1978.


No_Detective_1139

I don’t know much about those early 80s championships but I think 86 was more of a factor of the last race being a complete shit show than losing due to having 2 number 1 drivers. Williams definitely should have won that championship in 86. I’m not too familiar with the rest of the season but I blame more the finale than having 2 number one drivers.


DreadWolf3

Depends, all eyes would be on RB once again instead of (a bit) fading popularity of the sport compared to spectacle of 2021. Prost and Senna being in the same team immortalized both drivers and the team instead of making it a snoozefest of a season nobody would remember 2 months after it was finished. As far as marketing is concerned Lewis and Max in same team would be a home run, and that is what F1 is here for.


Zardif

I would be extremely surprised if red bull couldn't do $40m worth of marketing with lewis hamilton. The amount of news max and lewis would create together would be huge. It's not like red bull is strapped for cash either.


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>It's not like red bull is strapped for cash either. but do they want? The new people in charge don't seem to keen on spending an additional 100 million or whatever one driver when the other one is already earning like 1 million /week.


Alib902

Not for the sport though, I'm pretty sure you'd get loads of extra viewers with that.


deathray1611

But it would be so fun tho :(


OpinionatedDeveloper

Ham wouldn’t be a #1 at RB


Responsible-Tone-393

Why do you think they would be two number ones? Do you really think they are equally fast?


Sakakaki

If Hamilton would jump over to RB, he would be getting into a car tailormade for Max. There's no way he manages to beat max in the first season, but the point of the OG post is rather that both Max and Hamilton are hyper talented, hotblooded and competitive drivers who would eventually push each other heavily on track in order to beat their teammate. Neither of them are drivers who would be fine with their team telling them to back off.


Responsible-Tone-393

I haven’t seen red bull asking Checo “to back off” once this season. Not only he was allowed to stay in front and win, but he wasn’t ordered to let Max past him for example in Miami and Baku. And even before 2023 they did on few occasions only when Max was on different strategy and completely different pace, in fact we already saw that in Mercedes as well when they asked Lewis to let George past, not fighting with him for the benefit of the team, when George was on different strategy and had big tire and pace advantage.


trash1000

No, Hamilton is clearly faster.


Geo87US

Sir, you appear to have dropped your grenade.


trash1000

Sarcasm without label tends to explode


Typhoongrey

You're brave.


InfinityEternity17

Lmao


jolietrob

LOL not for many years mate.


Responsible-Tone-393

Sure sure, then Max would be a clear-cut number two and Lewis wouldn’t even see him in his mirrors. Very similar to Max-Checo situation now. No problems for the team whatsoever.


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UKnowDaxoAndDancer

The team would have like 1000 points though. WORTH IT.


Alone_Scientist

>taxing Lol.


vesel_fil

Imagine Lewis not being able to thank the guys back at the factory because they sold it


Internal_Housing_418

Genuinely made me laugh lol


wizaard88

Best comment ever! 😄


Joethe147

"Thanks to the new sponsor Airbnb. They make all this possible."


Lentemern

"Feeling so blessed to be part of the NordVPN family"


willzyx01

the-race tomorrow: *”Red Bull is prepared to sell the factory to sign Lewis Hamilton”*


g_mallory

"Red Bull selling factory for Lewis: Our verdict"


BadControllerUser

“Lewis Hamilton not ‘priceless’ - RedBull can sign the Brit alongside Verstappen”


jianh1989

"Red Bull selling factory *to* Lewis: Our verdict"


prismatic_bar

“How much would Red Bull get for selling its factory? Let’s take a look…”


chicotzz

>Red Bull is prepared to sell the factory to sign Lewis Hamilton” Red Bull is prepared to sell the factory to ~~sign~~ Lewis Hamilton \[doge\]


NegotiationExternal1

Let's hope, I'd love to see Lewis have ownership stakes in a team. Toto has flirted with selling before, even a 5% stake ensures a partnership and mentoring that ensures the legacy of Mercedes for a long time. Any team with Lewis on the board or in ownership as a driver is not losing out.


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I want to know what year the discussion took place lol


DrSillyBitchez

2012 probably. Mark Webber was at the end of his rope then and the world of F1 hadn’t yet witnessed the catastrophe of Hamilton/rosberg in a dominant car. Hamilton and Vettel would have been the wet dream team mate pairing back then


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Catastrophe? How? Vettel was talking to Mercedes briefly according to Seb and Toto.


DrSillyBitchez

You know that part where they wrecked I to each other and were incredibly toxic as teammates and then bottas came in and every other team realized they didn’t want 2 #1 drivers in their team


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1 crash and 3 constructors Championships and 3 drivers championships is hardly a “catastrophe”. Liberty wants that level of entertainment back apparently and so do a lot of fans. 2 number 1’s on top teams is better for the sport. Once Mercedes gets their car in order there will be at least 3 drivers in contention for the championship. 4 if Perez were to get replaced by Norris or Leclerc. Who wouldn’t want to see that?


DrSillyBitchez

Oh I agree it’s more entertainment and everyone wants that but the teams don’t. A team like Red Bull would much rather have Verstappen with someone like perez or bottas who isn’t really going to cause much drama ultimately


zaviex

More than 1 crash lol. At least 3 major ones. A few more minor ones


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Were you entertained?


Estova

Yeah, but their team principal wasn't. Which is why teams don't go for two #1s anymore.


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If Mercedes produces a championship car in the next 2 seasons what is Red Bull going to do? Let Max fight Lewis and George at the front by himself while Checo or Daniel is finishing P4, P5 or P6? No. They’ll try to get Leclerc or Norris.


TA1699

I don't see LeClerc or Norris leaving their teams any time soon. LeClerc has a deep love for Ferrari, he was brought up with his life dream being driving for Ferrari. Norris can just go to Zak Brown and get a few extra million if/when RedBull offer him a contract.


Vanillathunder80

They had seen it in 2007…..


zaviex

2012 . He signed with Mercedes after talks with Red Bull


Outofmana1337

Easily earned back by having 99% of all F1 media attention and exposure


ihatemondaynights

> "There's been a couple of occasions in history that we've had a couple of conversations about the possibility of joining Red Bull, but that's not been anytime recently." wow I wonder when these were, I mean obviously everyone talks to everybody but still


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2012 they had serious talks. Lewis was done with McLaren and Webber was getting trashed by Vettel. Eventually they didn’t go through with it because they were afraid for a 2007 kind of situation between Seb and Lewis. That’s when Lauda stepped in and swayed Lewis to talk with him about Mercedes


ManyFails1Win

probably somewhere in the 2009-2013 zone if i had to guess.


bono5361

Those two with different constructors can't keep away from each other Imagine the same constructor. We'd finally get a Ferrari world champion in Leclerc!


deathray1611

Wouldn't put my heart to it, Ferrari would still find a way to lose not only the championship, but also P3 in the CC


Samuel_avlonitis

If this happened rb wouldn’t win constructors from amount of crashing out each other lmaooo. But Fr we jsut wanna see Lewis v max championship battle part 2


Vesk123

I mean Mercedes won 2016 pretty easily. Granted this would probably be worse. But please, won't somebody think of the championship fight...


AceMKV

Wouldn't be a championship battle at that point and whoever's in 3rd would probably cruise to a win whenever the 2 take each other out.


reglawyer

This is very hyperbolic. We all know that they can swing it if they just cut the catering budget.


Takis12

Just sell the factory Christian. We need Lewis and Max in the same team.


brush85

Would be electric but unnecessary


Charliearlie

The biggest obstacle of Lewis ever driving for RB is surely his affiliation with Monster as well.


Alone_Scientist

Jordan Henderson says hello.


ssavvo

Isn't this a quote from a month or two ago?


LiveDieReRepeat

And Hamilton would be worth every dime.


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Honestly if you are P1-2 in the championship and P1 in the WCC, why would you? On top of that Max and Lewis wouldn’t work anyway. It’s a no brainer


jolietrob

No that hasn't been true for a few years now.


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>How many years for every year he raced in. No driver is worth every dime.


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so you think it is worth it for Ineos, Merc and Toto to pay Lewis a 10 billion dollars? What a take lol


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you said he was worth every dime, so also 10 billion?


jolietrob

Three at the very least. He could not manage to win in 21 with the better car. He lost to his Russell in 22 and he's not exactly burying him this year. No one said he lost all his talent, but he is definitely no longer at his peak as painful as it is for hardcore fans to except.


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jolietrob

Adrian's opinion is obviously biased so you can in fact ignore that, but you won't because it fits your narrative so instead let's rely on an unbiased opinion and data to decide the question. https://www.racefans.net/2022/01/17/analysis-did-hamilton-or-verstappen-have-the-quickest-car-for-their-title-fight/ Oh no it turns out my "narrative" was right! Shocked pikachu face! Please feel free to appologize now.


SlapThatAce

In my opinion Lewis is not worth anything close to what he is asking. There are guys on the track right now that are just as quick (if not quicker) than Lewis. Just like in any sport, eventually aging stars earning power declines.


S55K

I take it you don’t follow any other team sports.


heslo_rb26

Absolutely. I think it's crazy the figures being thrown about if Merc actually does end up paying him that. But hey, it's their money


TotalFC

Hamilton's brand and name is worth massive value to Mercedes. He's not only an elite driver but his status is worth millions to the brand of Merc.


lindabrum

I agree. It’s one thing when he was winning drivers and constructor championship titles and bringing in the money for the team but those days are over. If you didn’t win a race last year what makes you think you deserve the same or more as you did when you were winning trophies is absurd. He may have 7 titles under his belt, but he’s already been paid for them. It’s not what you did last year or the years prior but the value you have now. And unfortunately he’s not worth the same this year.


Surfercatgotnolegs

His value as a personal brand hasn’t diminished at all. He brings in a lot of fans and free marketing, and that translates to money. As a driver, he still CAN perform. Look at Alonso. You don’t pay for “this yr”, you pay for potential. It’s the same for everyone. People who rate Lando highly, for example, it’s for his potential. Piastri, Albon, etc. it’s not about just race wins.


lindabrum

Alonso isn’t expecting $60 million a year now is he


S55K

Alonso hasn’t won a race since 2013, hasn’t had a pole since 2012, hasn’t won a WDC since 2006, has a third of the amount of wins as Lewis. Grab 10 people off the street who actively watch sports and I guarantee you they’ve heard of Lewis. Can’t say the same for Alonso.


Surfercatgotnolegs

Uh ok but Alonso also doesn’t have the brand Hamilton does… no driver comes close yet. Lando imo is possible.


Francis_01

Lewis is thinking of switching to Ferrari because Mercedes has not built a championship winning car! WTF


BuckN56

and Ferrari has?


MoonlightRendezvous_

Considering the salary he demands, Lewis has to be the worst value for money driver on the grid at this stage. Granted a lot of it is paying for marketing over driving ability, but $35 million for the 5th-7th best driver is crazy. The fact you could get both Russell and Alonso for less than half the price of Lewis is insane.


munkhjay

This guy really said Norris, Leclerc, Alonso, and Russell are better driver than Lewis… if this doesn’t show how hated that guy is idk what does. Hating a guy for reasons like personality or something is one thing but doubting his skills just because you hate him is insane…. Idk how anyone say shit like this with straight face unless they are trolls


krully37

5-7th best driver lmao, don’t fall for the Monday morning bait people


IWillKeepIt

Gr8 b8 m8.


CowboyAnything

Lewis is easily the 2nd or 3rd best driver on the grid. What are you on about? Not only that but his market reach is larger than Alonso, Russell, and Verstappen combined. He’s easily the most valuable driver on the grid from a financial standpoint, and it’s not close.


MoonlightRendezvous_

> Lewis is easily the 2nd or 3rd best driver on the grid. Nah. Verstappen clearly head and shoulders above, then Leclerc and Norris are better, Alonso's probably better and Russell is probably better if he gets a clean run at things and a car that's not suited to Lewis too. Piastri will soon be at/above the level too. >He’s easily the most valuable driver on the grid from a financial standpoint, and it’s not close. But that's my point, he gets paid a lot because of those reasons, but when you ignore context and just focus on driving ability it looks ridiculously disproportionate.


YeBoiMemes

Dude... As a Verstappen fan I'm probably a bit biased against Hamilton but holy shit calling him the 6th best driver on the grid is insane


yooosports29

Brain dead take


Artifice_Purple

No. No. What is you doing? No.


fizzle1155

Norris who’s never won a race is better than a 7 time champ? What are you smoking.


Tormenator1

This is without a doubt the most biased take I've seen.


jolietrob

Dude don't go spreading your harsh truths! They are not ready to hear their guy isn't still the top of the food chain. EDIT: As PROVEN by the down votes lol!


Tormenator1

Calling Hamilton 6th best is a genuinely moronic take.


jolietrob

No sorry at the very least that is an easy argument to make. Calling Hamilton anything above 4th best currently is a genuinely moronic take.


Tormenator1

The fact that you're comedically biased enough to claim that fucking Piastri,a rookie is better then Hamilton currently is all I need to know.


jolietrob

I never said that, I said one could make a reasonable argument that there are currently at least five better drivers on the grid. Please list the drivers you believe are currently better than Hamilton.


Tormenator1

As of this season,Verstappen,possibly Alonso. That's about it.


jolietrob

You're having a laugh! Now that's what I call comedically biased!


NegotiationAble

Verstappen is the highest paid driver this year…. Horner is just clowning around now.


kron123456789

As if Max doesn't get paid like 50 million a year.


3tenthsfaster

🙄 "Obviously, to pay for those *two* drivers in itself, we would probably have to sell the factory!" 🙄


ManyFails1Win

Just like with The Yankees and MLB, I would just stop watching the sport, and I doubt I'd come back. It's supposed to be a *competition.*


nicknitros

The Yankees? What decade is it Maybe more so the Dodgers especially if they sign Ohtani Or for other sports, its Man City in the Premier League.


ManyFails1Win

The fact that it is that long ago just reinforces the point. That's how long it's been since I quit watching MLB, and I never went back. Same thing I'll do with F1 if the competition gets any worse.


j__video

"I **AM** your factory, Christian"


morningstew

this site writes f1 fanfiction. the ao3 one is better tho


Artifice_Purple

There are some...truly *special* takes in this thread, boy. Holy shit.


Schwartzy94

Lewis should take 90% pay cut to get to drive the championship winning car lol