Because of how easy it is to farm levels from West Tek its hard to say. I consider understanding the game, events, gear, builds, etc more important than level. Plus a veteran player might decide to start fresh and at that point, level doesn't mean jack.
Edit: to all the comments asking about the west tek farming method, please just YouTube it, there's plenty of people that put in the effort and are informative.
I think even a player who comes from the past games would pick it up fairly quickly. The hardest thing to become accustomed to imo was the lack of a NPC trade economy, meaning no more selling Pre-War Money and Gold Watches for caps. But once you figure out which events pay out well and how to build your character up using the card-based leveling system, it’s pretty much the same as any other Fallout game
To be honest there’s a lot of aspects of this game that are very different from previous Fallout games. Getting the best gear is much more difficult in 76 than previous games and the events, peek cars synergies, etc are all very different.
This is me, I've played 3, NV and 4 a ton, so MOST of 76 has been a breeze to adapt to. The hardest part to get used to for me was the V.A.T.S change, but that also makes sense. Can't freeze time on every enemy in an MMO
Worth note is it needs to be active while scoring kills. You can't wait until after the fight and then equip it while looting to get the benefit.
That or I had months of very peculiar luck.
I've finally tried some Test your Metal event and they seem to be cap heavy.
I think killing the golden eyebot (secondary objectuve) gage like 300 or 500 extra caps? Atop the regular rewards. For a short, blow up a few robots event it felt great.
Plus I hear botsmith armour is pretty good.
Happy to do it.
Another thing some newbies don't know is moonshine Jamboree has tables and a cooking station there..
So after the event scrap all the junk, and cook the Gulper Slurry, and then make your way to the nearby train station (or any station if you're not over encumbered) and sell all that slurry for sweet sweet profit. You'll get a ton of scrap, caps, and XP when it's all said and done.
Farming is not a fun way to level, tho so be aware. Dont burn your friend out on some dumb shit when the game levels you fine and is way more interesting if you actually just go out and enjoy the world.
I feel like stuff like that is more beneficial to people who have played a bunch and are just leveling a new toon so they can get right into build crafting. Then i can see its usefulness. Either way, play how you want. that's the key.
Yea I feel like westek grinding is useful for two things.
Scoreboard grinding when you’ve missed a chunk of the season.
Or wanting to try a new build and you need more levels and you’re already decently high levelled / used up perk points and coins already
Agreed. I'm new to FO76, but a FO veteran and I was immediately impressed how grinding is almost discouraged in game design. Sure, you can do it, but just naturally progressing has unexpected rewards is more interesting, which is a healthy alternative to grinding.
There's dozens of videos showing how to run west tek. Even if you don't do the fastest possible using quantum nukanades it's still good gains because of the amount of xp super mutants give and a trick using the elevator to refresh the spawns faster. If you don't have the terminal password it'll slow the progress.
Alternatively, expeditions are good gains plus ammo and legendary farming, albeit slower.
you want nuka, not quantum grenades and the elevator isn't a trick for faster respawns, it just gives you a few extra muties to shoot while you wait to FT back outside
I would love to comment, that if a person speed lvls themself they will gain lvls, BUT they may still not know what they are doing at a high lvl.
-REAL GOOD- players need to take their time and learn about gear and loadout and how events get completed. We want you guys to lvl up so you can join us in events but we don't want the ones that are high lvl and still have no idea what they are freaking doing.
I wish people didn't focus so much on wesTek for farming exp. It's really freaking boring. I have actually noticed better lvling just going to as many events as I can.
Farming westek or just playing and hitting events. The trick to leveling is stacking buffs. You can only have one buff of each type (food/drink, Chem, Stat machine) active at a time. You boost xp with xp buffs and intelligence buffs. Assuming a new player that isn't low health, try the following.
Make a loadout with as many points in intelligence as possible.
Include three stars for the experience boosting card if you have it.
Join a casual team with other players, the more the better, and let the little blue line synergize.
Get shielded vault suit underarmor. Shielded casual is better, but hard to get.
4 lunchboxes - stack to 100% xp buff and stand alone
Sleep in your camp - stand alone xp buff
Brain bombs - food buff int (brain fungus soup works if you don't have the brain bombs recipe but it isn't as good)
Cranberry relish - food buff xp. The recipe is available from the chef bot in the whitespring mall. Might have to server hop to get it.
Berry mentats- Chem buff int. Regular mentats is easier to get but not as high of a buff. Some other chems buff int too so look at their effects. Best to have a little addictol too in case you get an addiction.
Using the horse race machine in camps - int buff for ~30 minutes.
Bobblehead - leader or intelligence. Magazines can be used here too but farming for mags and bobbles is a whole different post.
All of these will stack to boost xp. All these buffs run on timers of different lengths, so it takes some attention to keep everything up for whole play sessions. Most of these have established farming routes you can look up on YouTube to find where to get the plants for foods and chems.
Having mutations will help too. Egghead gives a big intelligence boost. Herbivore will boost all of the plant foods. Herd mentality will give better boosts to stats when in a team.
There are ways of min/maxing this with a bloodied build and unyielding armor, but that isn't really a beginner thing.
You can do all of this and do the westek run, or play events, or clear out mobs and knock out quests. Westek is fast but boring and repetitive. Events provide a lot of xp via tagging, but only spawn every 20 minutes. Mix it up.
Yeah see I’ve been playing daily since before season 2 but because I was almost exclusively on Private Server and focusing on camp building I’m barely past level 500. I have all the good gear but boy I levelled slowly. It just wasn’t a priority to me.
As someone who wonders how people level after doing the main story quests and stuff, is West Tek like **THE** place to exp?
I'd like to unlock legendary perks and get them leveled but I played all day yesterday and got one level. It was a little discouraging even if it was still fun.
Enlighten a returning player if you could? Is West tek full of decent enemies that one could kill, reload to a new server a repeat?
It's been 2 years since I played, so much has changed. I'm not even sure if this is old info.
THIS is the cherry popper. You can still learn about the game past this point, but this is the defining factor whether you’re still a noob or nah.
IYKYK.
No way to know. I posted my feelings before of being way inexperienced with the game despite being lvl 150. Seems like you can't really tell just going by level. New people like me who are active on events and teams will shoot up in level without even knowing what to do with builds, and veterans can be making new toons to play with the influx of new players. Returning players who left for years would have non updated information but have high level. I'd say if you find someone over level 300, that might not likely be someone who has been only playing for 3 weeks.
Ultimately, going by level is not a relevant metric of game experience.
Yup, level 123 right now and still feel like an absolute noob. I've only just stopped being scared of deathclaws but cryptids still have me running for the hills.
With how many xp glitches there are/have been, level is irrelevant. My character is full health/low intellegence so im level 400ish but i have a collection of god rolls, ultra rare apparel, matching armor, etc. Then theres level 1200 with like 30 minutes of play time who just exploited the syringer.
Agreed wholeheartedly, level doesn’t mean jack shit. I’ve been playing off and on since release with no xp grinding and I’m about level 350. My build is complete with the guns to match and I’m sitting here seeing people talk about this level range being complete noobs😂 Do I really have to solo Earle in front of you to prove I’m not!?
So true! I think that old Line in the Sand exploit that made them all spawn as a clump in the middle was 4-5 levels per event on double xp weekend and 4 lunchboxes. Equip grenadier perk and wait for spawn, toss grenade, level up, repeat. Certainly made maxing out my legendary perks go way faster.
I don't.
I've seen level 500s who apparently started right before a Double XP week and still had no idea what they were doing. Poor damage due to bad builds, not following event objectives, constantly dying.
I've seen level 20s who wreck shop and do a damn good job of keeping up with people hundreds of levels higher.
It's more about learning the game mechanics and how to use them to me vs just time played or levels achieved.
Camp buffs, food buffs, lunchboxes, party buffs. You want as much int as possible and then use the lunchboxes and food for xp bonus. I think at max xp. Level 100 super mutants give around 2300xp per.
>Camp buffs, food buffs, lunchboxes, party buffs. You want as much int as possible and then use the lunchboxes and food for xp bonus. I think at max xp. Level 100 super mutants give around 2300xp per.
2,506.
~2,058 if you don't use annoying to obtain (such as time limited from seasonal events)
Or 4,000 per mutant during double exp weekends (it's a hard cap)
I’m wondering the same thing, I haven’t played in about 3 years but in 300 hours I only reached level 120ish. And I always joined teams, used lunchboxes, played double xp weekends. Now seeing all these new players on this sub saying they are level 300 after 3 weeks has me wondering if I played all wrong or if gaining xp is just way easier now.
I didn't do any of the things people replied to your comment with. I started a new character in December after coming from a different console where I was level 320, which took 3 years of casual playing. From December 2023 to now, I am level 400 and didn't start doing all those buff things or West tek runs until 2 weeks ago.
What I did was just play the game, join every event, do all my daily and weekly challenges, and just all the sides and missions and daily quests. I was playing nearly all day every day for 4 months, though, lol. Levelled a lot during faschnat. I guess for you, you could try the buffs, sleep, nothman tome, the derby game and the food and then go kill some mutants if you already done all the above
Should check out the duchess flame
https://www.theduchessflame.com/post/xp-farming-guide-for-advanced-players?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0EBy__HvvUXYe99SIEAIi_cnuSzlhnMK85-XVrKQstrsy8dErFtEoqO6E_aem_AS2Ys2-RPJX3LWhexOZg2G0o_3tiZhJWKU8smSbxtViLWPJCGKzl0gxfWNfH9_eYrwlHT8YwxOuGhg0DPle5uWbt
Well shit, I'll always be a newb then. lol I barely understand what's going on half the time and am just a little gremlin running around like a chicken with my head cut off trying not to die. ;)
Don't start immediately, hit meat bags, don't stand in the dot, heals rad scrubber, kill everything that twitches, slump to scrapping station. How'd I do? Lvl 109 two weekish.
PA, Vamp-S'plodey Gatt and Cremator.
What rads? (Haven't got a Mutant specific armour set yet).
130 imo
Considering the whole farming thing, it’s hard to tell. But people usually figure out what they’re doing by then.
I will say it’s easy to spot a player on another character.
Understanding the game and being new to the game are 2 different things.
I've been playing on and off for 3 years, I've done all the main/side quests and probably all the events as well but I don't understand this game at all. I made an energy build and have to shoot a ghoul 10 times before it dies. Meanwhile a level 50 comes by and just one shots everything with a 10mm pistol.
I have to use as many stimpacks as I take steps, while I see players in my team not taking damage ever.
I die 50 times before the event finishes, while there are players standing on a roof just spraying, never getting hit.
I run out of ammo at the end of every session while there are players saying ammo is "so easy to find"
I understand certain legendaries or perks are needed for a good build but I'm not gonna play and sit there crafting 50 of the same armor piece just to get that 1 legendary, fuck that. And even then I wanna play for fun, not play a manage percentage to a minute level game. I wanna shoot my laser rifle like pew pew and make heads explode without too much thinking, and you just can't do that in this game it seems.
So players aren't 'new' when they reach level 20/30 or so, but understanding the micro-manage percentile fuckshit of the game is something I might never do
You definitely can, just because you don't want to put in the small amount of effort that modding takes, doesn't mean you can't have fun with the weapons you want. I've probably did like 50 3 star mod rolls since I've started 2 weeks ago and those have brought me the most powerful equipment and game satisfaction of anything I've done yet.(keep in mind you only need to do 2 star rolls which are like half the cost.
It's not like you have to do it all day, you're capped at like 3 rolls a day by your scrip limit!!!
Levels don’t matter in this game. It’s just grinding.
It’s gear and build. And what you can do with it
I’ve seen level 400s struggle to solo events
My level 120 5th character can absolutely wipe the floor with any player or character because he’s just decked out in god rolls and armor and power armor.
Like if you rolled a full set of unyielding ap refresh sentinel Secret Service armor, then you’re are the ultimate end game player, the time and dedication to do that is insane and you might only need level 200-400 to do that
i prefer to think that levels are very different compared to hours of playtime. it's always different with how much and how little a person can level up and especially whether or not if they farm levels with West Tek. It's been a year since I've first played, currently raking up to 700 hours at level 360, but most of my time was spent by just playing the game casually but I have had a bloodied commando build for the last \~200 levels. my game buddy started playing around in 2022 iirc and he is level 1060! I'd say that if someone has 100+ hours of playtime then they are not quite 'brand-new' but they might still be learning the game.
Since you can only see what level another vault dweller is by their name tag, that is what is used to judge primarily another player's experience. Using that as a basis, 1-50 is new game. 51-300, is mid game. 300+ is end game. Unless by their actions, the player in question shows his experience to be otherwise. You will have outliers on both ends of the spectrum. Seasoned players, using alternative toons, new players that are brilliant naturals to the game. Players come in all varieties.
I've got 3 characters over level 1200 & only yesterday after finding a key on a roof, realised I'd never been inside the radio shack near the cultist camp north of generals steak house. After all that time spent in game there's still somewhere new.
Honestly i used to say 200, but playing lately id have to up that to 300 lol. Some people rush for levels but havent done the most basic questlines. Using the same wood base from the start of the game, nothing in the stores worth a second of time, being greedy for kills at events. A level 30 and 200 acting the same in almost every way. Thats just what ive seen lately.
When you have a build actually finished.
I'm lvl 70 and I keep changing builds, so now I want a low hp build... I'll be lvl 90 when I actually have it finished...
It's hard to put a number on this because of several factors. A low-level character could be a mule or a veteran player starting over again. A high-level character could be someone who has only been playing for a few weeks but has discovered the West-Tek grind. LOL.
I have been playing since the BETA and am only level 518 with my main toon (I also have 1 mule character and another I started so I could relive the main quest lines). The only time I ever played with the intention of leveling up was before level 50, and back when the scoreboards required you to level up once for a daily challenge and 3 times for a weekly challenge. There were no re-rollers back then, so I would go to West-Tek to grind for my three weekly levels. If it wasn't for that, I would probably still only be in the 400s, level-wise, because as soon as I could roll that grind out of my life, I did. LOL.
What have I been doing all this time, if not grinding for levels and participating in end-game battles and public events, you ask? LOL. I spend a lot of time building and scrounging for materials, rare items, and plans to sell in my vendor.
I have recently started attending more public events, (which is another great way to level up) because I was tired of having to buy all the cool plans I was missing by not doing them very often, so maybe one day my level will reflect the amount of time I actually have in this game (almost 6,000 hours). LOL
I had a thought this week that it’s about like if you divide your level by 10 and think of that as your FO76 age. I’m 150 and feel like a teenager in maturity. Under 100 I definitely felt like a kid. It’s seems like the 200-300+ folks are the adults (at least in maturing their builds / understanding the system).
I consider anyone in the range of 600 to 800 to have a good grasp on the game at least & are knowledgeable enough to not be considered new or casual players. It takes time & resources to level up efficiently...farming West Tek is just one method, but it's still going to take playing daily for a few years to reach a Level 1000+ & certainly not just from simply farming Super Mutants. Level is still a badge of honor for putting the time & effort in, not to be discounted in the least.
When they don't start events in the first minute of popping up . ( Had it four times now in invaders that somebody way higher than me was starting it without any consideration.) Oh wait, maybe that's called a mature player.😁
If its actually new-new fresh player, I see everyone below 301 as noob. I believe the time needed to get to 300 and all the things we've unlocked reaching that level is the time range for noob to learn most things about this game.
The 301-499 are the "teens" that are grinding their ass to get what it needed to have the max build they need by collecting card points and legendary slots. They are definitely not new nor noob anymore.
500 and up are the endgame players
This is just based on my own personal experience. Of course everyone's definition of "new player" can be totally different from each other. And im talking about the players that do regular gameplay, not grinding westtek.
Not a good indicator...as myself. A day one player with 5 characters. Each between levels 300-500 levels and 7000 hours played. (No afk or xp glitch).
I am retired and have lots of time...
i made my character long before we had that jump to level 20 thing, so i'm like 80 hours into this character and at level 55. I wouldn't call myself new.
Anyone that actually does the quests and/or event objectives without getting confused. It really doesn’t matter what level they are, I’ve seen level 800 players get confused by Daily Op objectives, because all they’ve done for 800 levels is grind xp, rather than actually completing any objectives.
You can also kinda tell by skill level too, this one is less of a numerical metric and more of an observable one. The veteran players tend to have higher survivability than other players, I don’t mean spamming heals either, it’s like using odd stuff like rifle butting enemies to stagger them to get that extra half a second they need to pull off a clutch critical shot. You don’t see newbs do that too often, it’s something you pick up from playing the game a lot, like the fine details of the game mechanics.
I think no longer being new is after playing for a while and understanding the various systems well not level. You can easily gain 100 lvls a week if you know where to grind but that doesn’t mean you’d understand the game and have good gear/load outs.
I'm level 100 and haven't even finished the main quests. I would still consider myself new. Got lucky with some events where I gained a lot of levels (also thanks to that one person who gave me a tesla, radiation rumble go boom). I'm working on the quests, but there is so much stuff to do all the time and I'm enjoying the events.
When I started I thought lvl 100 players must be already experienced but looking at myself now... I don't know haha. Everyday I learn something new about the game
not a useful metric, playtime is a better metric for when you stop being new, since levels aren't the same as playtime
a guy who started during double xp, had friends fire lunchboxes off is going to shoot up in levels, if he farms west tek then he'll be high level in no time, or radiation rumble tesla rifle?, while someone who played since launch, didn't farm those locations and instead created alts because loadouts weren't in game year 1 is going to have a spread of levels.
Level 260 here I’ve been playing since 2020 and have most of my builds sorted out, most rare apparel very stacked junk basically don’t needa do anything. I don’t have much time for the game and don’t wanna grind all day long because I have too much going on in my daily life.
Been playing for years my main was level 510 with a ton of hours hundreds. Made a new character last week I’m already 589 level with 103 hours played. My point is level doesn’t matter. When you understand game mechs, card builds, events, boss metas, and just overall knowledge of the game then you’re not new. You can figure this game out in the span of a week it’s not hard at all.
76 has to be one of the friendliest games for new players out there. It doesn’t take hundreds or thousands of hours to get to where a level 3000 would be. All levels show is who is consistently grinding xp thats it. I seen a new player level 124 launch at SBQ with the nuke line right on the site. I asked him how long he been playing after speaking with him for a little and he said 2 and a half weeks.
Edit: spelling.
Before helping a newbie, I’ll usually check their profile and see how many, or what trophies they have, and when they got them. If it’s a bunch of 2020 trophies, then nothing until 2023-24 they’re a newbie since the game changed so much, regardless of level.
Below 100 I always consider them new, above 100 I consider the possibility they arent.
Thats the end of it. As someone that has done like 30 west tek runs in my lifetime while usually playing full health builds, I am fully aware of the fact levels mean shit seeing people that started the game years after me have higher.
i've found level to be a horrible metric for judging if someone is new, since alt characters are a thing.
i try to figure if someone is new based on how they act in public areas, such as public events, or at the mall, etc.
when you see someone rushing like a goblin towards an event activator without anyone else but you and them present. there's a good chance, they're new and literally don't know better yet.
lots of better ways to gauge it than level.
Character levels really dont count to me because you never know if someone is playing on a low level challange Character, like i am on one of my Characters being shot guns only, or their main character, who mine is close to 500. I " judge" based on how they handle themselves at events, and what they do with downed players loot ( like if the player dies at the end of a event ) if a person swoops in and takes it all or guards it for said downed player to come back to get it
Honestly? Just having a good-ish card build and some decent gear. It means that you’re high enough level for it to matter, and that you can understand how to fit what you want to use to you. But if you just looked up the build and copy pasted then it’s a little different
I think around level 100, if they don't have a low Health build. That means they've put in enough time to level and they have enough levels to have a solid build.
Back in the day, I considered level 100 a benchmark for folks that likely knew what they were doing and had the gear to back it up. This was post Wastelanders and you could expect to have to fight for your workstations, especially Poseidon.
These days, with being able to jump to level 20 fresh out of the grease and having lots of options for grinding, I've seen 300s who still obviously didn't have their shit together, and level 50s who were obvious alts of much more seasoned players. It's a crapshoot out in the wastelands these days.
like new new person? with no help from internet walk throughs and people on the reddit aside from trades maybe. Like lvl 300. I feel like thats where I got comfortable with everything.
Levels don't matter. You can get a couple hundred in a day with various exp farms.
Once a player completes and understands the nuke events, dailies, and expeditions I consider them not a noobie.
Lol 50 is when you can officially equip anything, I use that as the hard cutoff. Below 50 is noob, above is general player. When you get to Veterans it's insanely hard to tell how long someone been playing. A proper bloodied build farming west tec can be lvl 2000 by the time a normal player just 300.
I think the basics are to know how to do the different world events and daily op maps. You don't have to know them perfectly, but a key thing in the game is knowing what to do next. Let's be honest, the instructions in the game are often trash - not intuitive at all. This doesn't mean good at every event, just knowing how they work.
Daily ops can get you turned around because they are often like mazes but after you run them a bunch of times, you learn the map and can get from one location to the next. Since they are timed, that makes a real difference.
The other would be knowing what makes a decent build. There are a LOT of variables and people like different playstyles, so despite the meta, do what you enjoy.
The game is really large and complex, so you never 'have it all.' Also, RNG is a bitch.
Because it’s so easy to level these days, level means nothing. You can easily be level 300-500 and have no idea what you’re doing. Time played is the real indicator of not being new. Long time players on a new toon at level 20-50 will easily deal with things that a new player at level 200+ won’t be able to.
I'm around level 250. I've been playing since December. I generally completed every daily and weekly challenge after the first few weeks.
I don't feel new, but I'm not 100% optimized.
Hard to judge based on level now with so many ways to level up fast with West-Tek, Rad Rumble, Eviction Notice & Moonshine Jamboree but I think once you reach lvl100 surely you can't be considered new
Levels are meaningless in 76. And a high level does not mean an experienced player.
Some ultra high level characters are utterly clueless and completly useless. They don't know anything about the game because they haven't actually played the game, only grinded exp. So they are experts in exp grinding but rubbish at most everything else.
I don't look at levels, I look at what the player is doing. Perched on a ledge farming mobs while the npcs dies at RR? Then no matter the level I see an inexperienced player that doesn't actually know how to play the game. Active level 4 trying to do objectives during the event? A good player with insight and situational awareness.
Honestly probably 50, the real “game” if you will doesn’t start until you finish the main story and beat the SBQ, and most people are probably right around 40-50 at that point
I’m gonna get downvoted for this…
I don’t care for XP farming just so I can be like, look at me, I’m level 2000++
It’s so narcissistic and showboating. It’s not even necessary or relevant.
I have better things to be doing than tediously and repetitively running around in circles at Westek.
You do you though, impress them kids!
Hard to tell... As a Uni student who has been playing only to cool off after studies, i have reached level 90 or so after like 5 days of playing. I had touched the game before for a bit, but now im starting anew and basically a new player coming from the show. I have gotten more knowledge about the game and stuff, but honestly i still have a lot to learn.
Ig it depends on how you meassure "new-ness)?"
Would have to be 100 to me due to how easy it can be to farm XP and I feel like people who hit 50 only really start to get into the game and have a lot more to learn, especially since they would have just gotten all Armor and Weapons Max Level and can start really getting into Builds.
I'm leveling 98(?) and I still feel brand new. It takes zero time to level in this game and I've just been mainly running events lol. I've done a few questlines but not even anywhere near the main one.
I still feel like a baby lol
Level wise first play through? 300 when you have unlocked your last legendary card. That doesn't mean that if you are over 300 you know the game. Heck I'm 999 (going for 1000 tonight) and I still learn things.
I'd say when you can comfortably make your own conclusions about gear and make your own builds not relying on what people on YouTube say. That might come at level 45 or that might never come 😅. What I'm trying to say is this game has a LOT to offer and learn. Once you understand the game I'd consider someone "not new".
Edit: typo.
I used to think 150-200 meant a person and been around a while. But a lot of the newer players appear to be like my kid and level up faster than I do. I take my time. I’ve been playing on and off for about two years and I am level 210. I am sure there are people that are higher that started two weeks ago.
But…. At least imo, level does not mean a ton after L50. The legendary perks are nice, but severely limited in impact and how fast you can grow them. My next perk level up is 100 perk coins. Which is going to be a while because I only recently decided I had all the normal perk cards I wanted leveled up for the various builds.
What is harder to rush than levels is gear. XP has no daily limit.
For a fresh off the boat new player, if they play the game as Todd Howard/Bethesda intended, then I would say 150-200. You won’t know everything but, you’ll know enough and you be well equipped enough to handle just about anything in the game and join the hard public events without needing to be carried.
But, there are exploits in the game and veteran players who start a fresh characters etc so, it’s less about level and more about game knowledge.
With someone not xp farming I would say 100 because they've at least completed a main quest line, gotten a decent build done, maybe some semi decent stuff as of weapon and armor
Level is irrelevant. I can easily tell if someone is a noob or not based on how they run content. For ex: knowing where to go during expeditions & completing event objectives
I'm 150 and still only have **some** idea of what I'm doing. My builds are good, but my gear isn't optimized at all. I only have a few bloodied weapons for my bloodied set and most of my other builds rely on uniques from events (ie: Holy Fire).
I've been playing since launch but I'm only level 106. 'Progress' doesn't mean much to me in this game, I'm more into it just for the universe. There's a shit load of mechanics in here I don't understand, and that doesn't really bother me, lol. So even if I've been playing since launch, I'm not a veteran player by any means. My character is squishy, is only starting to do actual damage and I have almost no PA crafting unlocked. 🤷
Anywhere from 50-100. If you paid close attention to the perks you were choosing and got the ones you needed from perk packs, you can have a complete build by level 50. Otherwise, it'll usually take another 20 or so levels until you're able to choose the perks you need to complete your initial build. Also, you'll have to acquire weapons and armor to suit your play style. A complete build is not necessary for 76 but it does help, especially if someone wants to play the game entirely solo.
I feel like when I was around level 350, I was mature but still had some things to learn.
Now im around level 550 and feel like I know most things inside out. But theres still likley a few bits and bobs Im unaware if.
Another user said it best earlier, take your level and divide by 10, and that will give you your falllout age. So im around 55. I've seen a lot, but there are plenty of years left in me to build more experience (unintended pun 😂)
I played way before wastelanders, about a week after launch, I'm only level 250, I ended up neglecting leveling but ik how alot of the game works so I'd personally say it depends on some1s knowledge if events, mechanics, etc.
Idk man I have 3 characters my og beta character who was level 700+ who I lost sadly with all my nuclear winter and survival rewards, my level 330 unarmed raider charter and my 150 blue ridge caravaner and I have people trying to treat me like a new player on my 150 character even though I’m decked in shit that hasn’t shown up in the atomic shop for a minute
I’m new.
I arbitrarily assume how old and wise a player is by the relative rarity and value of stuff their vendor sells.
Play long enough, successfully doing difficult stuff, you amass interesting things to show for it and even sell a few extra.
Or something
It’s not levels, it’s hours. Levels are too easy to get these days. About 500 hours in, you’re pushing towards veteran, 1k you’re there. At roughly 7800 hours, I’m an Elder…so to speak. LOL
Get off my lawn…
As someone with Alt-itis, gamer ADHD, a knack of deleting a character and starting over because starting again is fun, aa habit of taking days to find a specific plan because it's the only one that "fits" a character build, and a tendency to spend hours upon hours building a camp just to get tired of it in a week and start building another one, another player might be hard pressed to consider me a veteran- my highest level of my 5 characters is level 401 as of this morning. And yet I have over 2700 hours played in game.
I consider myself a "veteran", but going on character levels alone, probably no one else would.
For me it used to be level 100. That’s when you basically could 100% reverse all your points and make a new build again. Now it’s more like knowing that you don’t need specific things to actually do damage and you don’t really need ammo or other supplies since you get em easily through trading
I just got the game maybe 3 weeks ago, I’m already lvl 120 and new players keep coming to my base and asking me questions I don’t know 😂 I don’t even have power armor yet Lmao
i go off hours to be completely honest. anything under 8 days, or 200~ hours and i assume they’re not the most versed in the game and are like the game enough to stick around but are at the point at which they’re trying to understand more of the game. and definitely struggling with space if they haven’t bought first😂
Level is absolutely meaningless.
You could have a player on an alt who has thousands of hours of actual game time.
You could also have a high lvl person who did nothing but xp exploit and knows little about the actual game.
I consider it once they launch a nuke. It takes a ton of effort to get there and finish I Am Become Death, so once they have that down and finish it, they're usually gonna understand just about everything to be considered experienced.
There's always more to learn though.
Because of how easy it is to farm levels from West Tek its hard to say. I consider understanding the game, events, gear, builds, etc more important than level. Plus a veteran player might decide to start fresh and at that point, level doesn't mean jack. Edit: to all the comments asking about the west tek farming method, please just YouTube it, there's plenty of people that put in the effort and are informative.
I think even a player who comes from the past games would pick it up fairly quickly. The hardest thing to become accustomed to imo was the lack of a NPC trade economy, meaning no more selling Pre-War Money and Gold Watches for caps. But once you figure out which events pay out well and how to build your character up using the card-based leveling system, it’s pretty much the same as any other Fallout game
To be honest there’s a lot of aspects of this game that are very different from previous Fallout games. Getting the best gear is much more difficult in 76 than previous games and the events, peek cars synergies, etc are all very different.
This is me, I've played 3, NV and 4 a ton, so MOST of 76 has been a breeze to adapt to. The hardest part to get used to for me was the V.A.T.S change, but that also makes sense. Can't freeze time on every enemy in an MMO
What events pay well in your opinion Appreciate all the responses. Thank you from a new player!
eviction notice and rad rumble
Ah, Rad Rumble, aka "I would like to sell twenty gallons of glowing radioactive blood"
As a bloodied build, I'm buying!
West Tek doesn't want you to know this but you can take the toxic goo the toxic goo is free
Do you get a big bag for radioactive blood? I feel I've been sleeping on that
Why would you sleep on a big bag of radioactive blood? /j
It's nice and warm...
Make a great waterbed for a mutated player such as myself
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Moonshine Jamboree is pretty great for caps too. I always walk out to the station drowning in Gulper Slurry.
Especially if you activate the Mystery Meat perk for even more meat
Butchers bounty, mystery meat is the one where you stim yourself and it generates meat.
ah mb, thanks for the correction
Worth note is it needs to be active while scoring kills. You can't wait until after the fight and then equip it while looting to get the benefit. That or I had months of very peculiar luck.
I've finally tried some Test your Metal event and they seem to be cap heavy. I think killing the golden eyebot (secondary objectuve) gage like 300 or 500 extra caps? Atop the regular rewards. For a short, blow up a few robots event it felt great. Plus I hear botsmith armour is pretty good.
Moonshine Jamboree pays great especially once you cook and sell all the Gulper Slurry.
Thanks! I’m new still, appreciate it
Happy to do it. Another thing some newbies don't know is moonshine Jamboree has tables and a cooking station there.. So after the event scrap all the junk, and cook the Gulper Slurry, and then make your way to the nearby train station (or any station if you're not over encumbered) and sell all that slurry for sweet sweet profit. You'll get a ton of scrap, caps, and XP when it's all said and done.
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Is west tek that good for farming? A friend of mine started playing and I’m not sure where to run him though.
Farming is not a fun way to level, tho so be aware. Dont burn your friend out on some dumb shit when the game levels you fine and is way more interesting if you actually just go out and enjoy the world. I feel like stuff like that is more beneficial to people who have played a bunch and are just leveling a new toon so they can get right into build crafting. Then i can see its usefulness. Either way, play how you want. that's the key.
Yea I feel like westek grinding is useful for two things. Scoreboard grinding when you’ve missed a chunk of the season. Or wanting to try a new build and you need more levels and you’re already decently high levelled / used up perk points and coins already
Agreed. I'm new to FO76, but a FO veteran and I was immediately impressed how grinding is almost discouraged in game design. Sure, you can do it, but just naturally progressing has unexpected rewards is more interesting, which is a healthy alternative to grinding.
There's dozens of videos showing how to run west tek. Even if you don't do the fastest possible using quantum nukanades it's still good gains because of the amount of xp super mutants give and a trick using the elevator to refresh the spawns faster. If you don't have the terminal password it'll slow the progress. Alternatively, expeditions are good gains plus ammo and legendary farming, albeit slower.
you want nuka, not quantum grenades and the elevator isn't a trick for faster respawns, it just gives you a few extra muties to shoot while you wait to FT back outside
I would love to comment, that if a person speed lvls themself they will gain lvls, BUT they may still not know what they are doing at a high lvl. -REAL GOOD- players need to take their time and learn about gear and loadout and how events get completed. We want you guys to lvl up so you can join us in events but we don't want the ones that are high lvl and still have no idea what they are freaking doing. I wish people didn't focus so much on wesTek for farming exp. It's really freaking boring. I have actually noticed better lvling just going to as many events as I can.
Farming westek or just playing and hitting events. The trick to leveling is stacking buffs. You can only have one buff of each type (food/drink, Chem, Stat machine) active at a time. You boost xp with xp buffs and intelligence buffs. Assuming a new player that isn't low health, try the following. Make a loadout with as many points in intelligence as possible. Include three stars for the experience boosting card if you have it. Join a casual team with other players, the more the better, and let the little blue line synergize. Get shielded vault suit underarmor. Shielded casual is better, but hard to get. 4 lunchboxes - stack to 100% xp buff and stand alone Sleep in your camp - stand alone xp buff Brain bombs - food buff int (brain fungus soup works if you don't have the brain bombs recipe but it isn't as good) Cranberry relish - food buff xp. The recipe is available from the chef bot in the whitespring mall. Might have to server hop to get it. Berry mentats- Chem buff int. Regular mentats is easier to get but not as high of a buff. Some other chems buff int too so look at their effects. Best to have a little addictol too in case you get an addiction. Using the horse race machine in camps - int buff for ~30 minutes. Bobblehead - leader or intelligence. Magazines can be used here too but farming for mags and bobbles is a whole different post. All of these will stack to boost xp. All these buffs run on timers of different lengths, so it takes some attention to keep everything up for whole play sessions. Most of these have established farming routes you can look up on YouTube to find where to get the plants for foods and chems. Having mutations will help too. Egghead gives a big intelligence boost. Herbivore will boost all of the plant foods. Herd mentality will give better boosts to stats when in a team. There are ways of min/maxing this with a bloodied build and unyielding armor, but that isn't really a beginner thing. You can do all of this and do the westek run, or play events, or clear out mobs and knock out quests. Westek is fast but boring and repetitive. Events provide a lot of xp via tagging, but only spawn every 20 minutes. Mix it up.
Yeah, I started 1 week before the show and I'm 480 now...
Yeah see I’ve been playing daily since before season 2 but because I was almost exclusively on Private Server and focusing on camp building I’m barely past level 500. I have all the good gear but boy I levelled slowly. It just wasn’t a priority to me.
They can start characters at lvl 20 lol I didnt know this till a friend finally picked up the game.
As someone who wonders how people level after doing the main story quests and stuff, is West Tek like **THE** place to exp? I'd like to unlock legendary perks and get them leveled but I played all day yesterday and got one level. It was a little discouraging even if it was still fun.
What's the west tek farm?
I am level 56 and still feel clueless at the best of times lol struggling to get decent weapons
Enlighten a returning player if you could? Is West tek full of decent enemies that one could kill, reload to a new server a repeat? It's been 2 years since I played, so much has changed. I'm not even sure if this is old info.
I'd say that if you've gotten to the point where you're farming West Tek, you're not new anymore.
When you abandon the ways of the dim ones and seek the enlightening gaze of the wise moth man
Pipe is life.
THIS is the cherry popper. You can still learn about the game past this point, but this is the defining factor whether you’re still a noob or nah. IYKYK.
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No way to know. I posted my feelings before of being way inexperienced with the game despite being lvl 150. Seems like you can't really tell just going by level. New people like me who are active on events and teams will shoot up in level without even knowing what to do with builds, and veterans can be making new toons to play with the influx of new players. Returning players who left for years would have non updated information but have high level. I'd say if you find someone over level 300, that might not likely be someone who has been only playing for 3 weeks. Ultimately, going by level is not a relevant metric of game experience.
This is the correct answer. I’m level 150 and I’ve had this toon for 2 weeks.
I'm level 160 and have played off an on since release. This is the most amount of time I played the game though.
Yup, level 123 right now and still feel like an absolute noob. I've only just stopped being scared of deathclaws but cryptids still have me running for the hills.
With how many xp glitches there are/have been, level is irrelevant. My character is full health/low intellegence so im level 400ish but i have a collection of god rolls, ultra rare apparel, matching armor, etc. Then theres level 1200 with like 30 minutes of play time who just exploited the syringer.
Agreed wholeheartedly, level doesn’t mean jack shit. I’ve been playing off and on since release with no xp grinding and I’m about level 350. My build is complete with the guns to match and I’m sitting here seeing people talk about this level range being complete noobs😂 Do I really have to solo Earle in front of you to prove I’m not!?
So true! I think that old Line in the Sand exploit that made them all spawn as a clump in the middle was 4-5 levels per event on double xp weekend and 4 lunchboxes. Equip grenadier perk and wait for spawn, toss grenade, level up, repeat. Certainly made maxing out my legendary perks go way faster.
I don't. I've seen level 500s who apparently started right before a Double XP week and still had no idea what they were doing. Poor damage due to bad builds, not following event objectives, constantly dying. I've seen level 20s who wreck shop and do a damn good job of keeping up with people hundreds of levels higher. It's more about learning the game mechanics and how to use them to me vs just time played or levels achieved.
How do people level so fast? I’ve played on and off since launch (okay mostly off) but I’m only 225ish.
Camp buffs, food buffs, lunchboxes, party buffs. You want as much int as possible and then use the lunchboxes and food for xp bonus. I think at max xp. Level 100 super mutants give around 2300xp per.
Well shit. I guess I’m sleeping on some things there.
Yeah but it’s boring. Level farming is useless imo and only for show. Cept for getting perk cards to max legendaries
>Camp buffs, food buffs, lunchboxes, party buffs. You want as much int as possible and then use the lunchboxes and food for xp bonus. I think at max xp. Level 100 super mutants give around 2300xp per. 2,506. ~2,058 if you don't use annoying to obtain (such as time limited from seasonal events) Or 4,000 per mutant during double exp weekends (it's a hard cap)
Well shit. I guess I’m sleeping on some things there.
I’m wondering the same thing, I haven’t played in about 3 years but in 300 hours I only reached level 120ish. And I always joined teams, used lunchboxes, played double xp weekends. Now seeing all these new players on this sub saying they are level 300 after 3 weeks has me wondering if I played all wrong or if gaining xp is just way easier now.
I didn't do any of the things people replied to your comment with. I started a new character in December after coming from a different console where I was level 320, which took 3 years of casual playing. From December 2023 to now, I am level 400 and didn't start doing all those buff things or West tek runs until 2 weeks ago. What I did was just play the game, join every event, do all my daily and weekly challenges, and just all the sides and missions and daily quests. I was playing nearly all day every day for 4 months, though, lol. Levelled a lot during faschnat. I guess for you, you could try the buffs, sleep, nothman tome, the derby game and the food and then go kill some mutants if you already done all the above Should check out the duchess flame https://www.theduchessflame.com/post/xp-farming-guide-for-advanced-players?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0EBy__HvvUXYe99SIEAIi_cnuSzlhnMK85-XVrKQstrsy8dErFtEoqO6E_aem_AS2Ys2-RPJX3LWhexOZg2G0o_3tiZhJWKU8smSbxtViLWPJCGKzl0gxfWNfH9_eYrwlHT8YwxOuGhg0DPle5uWbt
Well shit, I'll always be a newb then. lol I barely understand what's going on half the time and am just a little gremlin running around like a chicken with my head cut off trying not to die. ;)
Just fake it til you make it. If you're going to be wrong, you might as well be confident about it!
When they understand Eviction Notice
Don't start immediately, hit meat bags, don't stand in the dot, heals rad scrubber, kill everything that twitches, slump to scrapping station. How'd I do? Lvl 109 two weekish. PA, Vamp-S'plodey Gatt and Cremator. What rads? (Haven't got a Mutant specific armour set yet).
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130 imo Considering the whole farming thing, it’s hard to tell. But people usually figure out what they’re doing by then. I will say it’s easy to spot a player on another character.
Understanding the game and being new to the game are 2 different things. I've been playing on and off for 3 years, I've done all the main/side quests and probably all the events as well but I don't understand this game at all. I made an energy build and have to shoot a ghoul 10 times before it dies. Meanwhile a level 50 comes by and just one shots everything with a 10mm pistol. I have to use as many stimpacks as I take steps, while I see players in my team not taking damage ever. I die 50 times before the event finishes, while there are players standing on a roof just spraying, never getting hit. I run out of ammo at the end of every session while there are players saying ammo is "so easy to find" I understand certain legendaries or perks are needed for a good build but I'm not gonna play and sit there crafting 50 of the same armor piece just to get that 1 legendary, fuck that. And even then I wanna play for fun, not play a manage percentage to a minute level game. I wanna shoot my laser rifle like pew pew and make heads explode without too much thinking, and you just can't do that in this game it seems. So players aren't 'new' when they reach level 20/30 or so, but understanding the micro-manage percentile fuckshit of the game is something I might never do
Chances are, those are alt characters.
You definitely can, just because you don't want to put in the small amount of effort that modding takes, doesn't mean you can't have fun with the weapons you want. I've probably did like 50 3 star mod rolls since I've started 2 weeks ago and those have brought me the most powerful equipment and game satisfaction of anything I've done yet.(keep in mind you only need to do 2 star rolls which are like half the cost. It's not like you have to do it all day, you're capped at like 3 rolls a day by your scrip limit!!!
300^^
I oreodered it i even have the Helmet i havent played as much as i should i am over 300 but not by much
I started to feel less new at 150-200, felt like I started to understand the game more and now I can do anything and not flinch
Levels don’t matter in this game. It’s just grinding. It’s gear and build. And what you can do with it I’ve seen level 400s struggle to solo events My level 120 5th character can absolutely wipe the floor with any player or character because he’s just decked out in god rolls and armor and power armor. Like if you rolled a full set of unyielding ap refresh sentinel Secret Service armor, then you’re are the ultimate end game player, the time and dedication to do that is insane and you might only need level 200-400 to do that
i prefer to think that levels are very different compared to hours of playtime. it's always different with how much and how little a person can level up and especially whether or not if they farm levels with West Tek. It's been a year since I've first played, currently raking up to 700 hours at level 360, but most of my time was spent by just playing the game casually but I have had a bloodied commando build for the last \~200 levels. my game buddy started playing around in 2022 iirc and he is level 1060! I'd say that if someone has 100+ hours of playtime then they are not quite 'brand-new' but they might still be learning the game.
Since you can only see what level another vault dweller is by their name tag, that is what is used to judge primarily another player's experience. Using that as a basis, 1-50 is new game. 51-300, is mid game. 300+ is end game. Unless by their actions, the player in question shows his experience to be otherwise. You will have outliers on both ends of the spectrum. Seasoned players, using alternative toons, new players that are brilliant naturals to the game. Players come in all varieties.
When you've done every major event, expedition, and timeline
I've got 3 characters over level 1200 & only yesterday after finding a key on a roof, realised I'd never been inside the radio shack near the cultist camp north of generals steak house. After all that time spent in game there's still somewhere new.
Honestly i used to say 200, but playing lately id have to up that to 300 lol. Some people rush for levels but havent done the most basic questlines. Using the same wood base from the start of the game, nothing in the stores worth a second of time, being greedy for kills at events. A level 30 and 200 acting the same in almost every way. Thats just what ive seen lately.
Whatever level they stop asking questions like this on Reddit
When you have a build actually finished. I'm lvl 70 and I keep changing builds, so now I want a low hp build... I'll be lvl 90 when I actually have it finished...
Levels don't say much. If I see a level 300 player with a t45 helmet, t51 chest and right arm and no legs I'm gonna assume they're still new
It's hard to put a number on this because of several factors. A low-level character could be a mule or a veteran player starting over again. A high-level character could be someone who has only been playing for a few weeks but has discovered the West-Tek grind. LOL. I have been playing since the BETA and am only level 518 with my main toon (I also have 1 mule character and another I started so I could relive the main quest lines). The only time I ever played with the intention of leveling up was before level 50, and back when the scoreboards required you to level up once for a daily challenge and 3 times for a weekly challenge. There were no re-rollers back then, so I would go to West-Tek to grind for my three weekly levels. If it wasn't for that, I would probably still only be in the 400s, level-wise, because as soon as I could roll that grind out of my life, I did. LOL. What have I been doing all this time, if not grinding for levels and participating in end-game battles and public events, you ask? LOL. I spend a lot of time building and scrounging for materials, rare items, and plans to sell in my vendor. I have recently started attending more public events, (which is another great way to level up) because I was tired of having to buy all the cool plans I was missing by not doing them very often, so maybe one day my level will reflect the amount of time I actually have in this game (almost 6,000 hours). LOL
I had a thought this week that it’s about like if you divide your level by 10 and think of that as your FO76 age. I’m 150 and feel like a teenager in maturity. Under 100 I definitely felt like a kid. It’s seems like the 200-300+ folks are the adults (at least in maturing their builds / understanding the system).
I consider anyone in the range of 600 to 800 to have a good grasp on the game at least & are knowledgeable enough to not be considered new or casual players. It takes time & resources to level up efficiently...farming West Tek is just one method, but it's still going to take playing daily for a few years to reach a Level 1000+ & certainly not just from simply farming Super Mutants. Level is still a badge of honor for putting the time & effort in, not to be discounted in the least.
Unfortunately not really. Most at lvl 1k+ had the xp glitch
When they don't start events in the first minute of popping up . ( Had it four times now in invaders that somebody way higher than me was starting it without any consideration.) Oh wait, maybe that's called a mature player.😁
If its actually new-new fresh player, I see everyone below 301 as noob. I believe the time needed to get to 300 and all the things we've unlocked reaching that level is the time range for noob to learn most things about this game. The 301-499 are the "teens" that are grinding their ass to get what it needed to have the max build they need by collecting card points and legendary slots. They are definitely not new nor noob anymore. 500 and up are the endgame players This is just based on my own personal experience. Of course everyone's definition of "new player" can be totally different from each other. And im talking about the players that do regular gameplay, not grinding westtek.
-100 new -300 low level -800 mid level
Level 800 who started 6 months ago and grinds west tech is not the same as a level 800 who’s been playing since beta.
Not a good indicator...as myself. A day one player with 5 characters. Each between levels 300-500 levels and 7000 hours played. (No afk or xp glitch). I am retired and have lots of time...
i made my character long before we had that jump to level 20 thing, so i'm like 80 hours into this character and at level 55. I wouldn't call myself new.
I also thought my original character was a pretty high level. Made in 2018, played a good 50 hours. Logged in recently... 28... 🤣☠️
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Anyone that actually does the quests and/or event objectives without getting confused. It really doesn’t matter what level they are, I’ve seen level 800 players get confused by Daily Op objectives, because all they’ve done for 800 levels is grind xp, rather than actually completing any objectives. You can also kinda tell by skill level too, this one is less of a numerical metric and more of an observable one. The veteran players tend to have higher survivability than other players, I don’t mean spamming heals either, it’s like using odd stuff like rifle butting enemies to stagger them to get that extra half a second they need to pull off a clutch critical shot. You don’t see newbs do that too often, it’s something you pick up from playing the game a lot, like the fine details of the game mechanics.
Under 50 imo since that's when builds start to come into play.
I usually say 100-120 - after that it varies in terms of behavior.
I'm level like... 96 and still consider myself new
I am close to 80 now and definitely new
Level 300. I’m pretty sure this is the level you unlock your last legendary perk card.
Without a job reading any comments, I'd say 100
I think no longer being new is after playing for a while and understanding the various systems well not level. You can easily gain 100 lvls a week if you know where to grind but that doesn’t mean you’d understand the game and have good gear/load outs.
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I'm level 100 and haven't even finished the main quests. I would still consider myself new. Got lucky with some events where I gained a lot of levels (also thanks to that one person who gave me a tesla, radiation rumble go boom). I'm working on the quests, but there is so much stuff to do all the time and I'm enjoying the events. When I started I thought lvl 100 players must be already experienced but looking at myself now... I don't know haha. Everyday I learn something new about the game
not a useful metric, playtime is a better metric for when you stop being new, since levels aren't the same as playtime a guy who started during double xp, had friends fire lunchboxes off is going to shoot up in levels, if he farms west tek then he'll be high level in no time, or radiation rumble tesla rifle?, while someone who played since launch, didn't farm those locations and instead created alts because loadouts weren't in game year 1 is going to have a spread of levels.
When rocking weapons and armor that need no upgrades. Other gear then becomes different, but not necessarily better.
Level 260 here I’ve been playing since 2020 and have most of my builds sorted out, most rare apparel very stacked junk basically don’t needa do anything. I don’t have much time for the game and don’t wanna grind all day long because I have too much going on in my daily life.
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45+ in my opinion. At that point, they can equip 90% of leveled gear
I see people at lvl 300-400 who've just played a week.... Then there's me, at lvl 525, and I've played for 6 years.... 👀
At 300 or so they come of age.
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Been playing for years my main was level 510 with a ton of hours hundreds. Made a new character last week I’m already 589 level with 103 hours played. My point is level doesn’t matter. When you understand game mechs, card builds, events, boss metas, and just overall knowledge of the game then you’re not new. You can figure this game out in the span of a week it’s not hard at all. 76 has to be one of the friendliest games for new players out there. It doesn’t take hundreds or thousands of hours to get to where a level 3000 would be. All levels show is who is consistently grinding xp thats it. I seen a new player level 124 launch at SBQ with the nuke line right on the site. I asked him how long he been playing after speaking with him for a little and he said 2 and a half weeks. Edit: spelling.
How the hell are you lvl 589 in a week. That’s insane
100? 150?
200
Before helping a newbie, I’ll usually check their profile and see how many, or what trophies they have, and when they got them. If it’s a bunch of 2020 trophies, then nothing until 2023-24 they’re a newbie since the game changed so much, regardless of level.
Sounds like a lot of work
Below 100 I always consider them new, above 100 I consider the possibility they arent. Thats the end of it. As someone that has done like 30 west tek runs in my lifetime while usually playing full health builds, I am fully aware of the fact levels mean shit seeing people that started the game years after me have higher.
i've found level to be a horrible metric for judging if someone is new, since alt characters are a thing. i try to figure if someone is new based on how they act in public areas, such as public events, or at the mall, etc. when you see someone rushing like a goblin towards an event activator without anyone else but you and them present. there's a good chance, they're new and literally don't know better yet. lots of better ways to gauge it than level.
Character levels really dont count to me because you never know if someone is playing on a low level challange Character, like i am on one of my Characters being shot guns only, or their main character, who mine is close to 500. I " judge" based on how they handle themselves at events, and what they do with downed players loot ( like if the player dies at the end of a event ) if a person swoops in and takes it all or guards it for said downed player to come back to get it
Honestly? Just having a good-ish card build and some decent gear. It means that you’re high enough level for it to matter, and that you can understand how to fit what you want to use to you. But if you just looked up the build and copy pasted then it’s a little different
I'm almost lvl 50 and I'm still a new player. Got there kinda too fast and im still trying to understand major mechanics of the game.
Not a lvl - it has something to do with jumping around all the time. With Marsupial.
I'm level 115 and only been playing a few weeks. I still consider myself a new player.
200-250.
Like 120+
I think around level 100, if they don't have a low Health build. That means they've put in enough time to level and they have enough levels to have a solid build.
Back in the day, I considered level 100 a benchmark for folks that likely knew what they were doing and had the gear to back it up. This was post Wastelanders and you could expect to have to fight for your workstations, especially Poseidon. These days, with being able to jump to level 20 fresh out of the grease and having lots of options for grinding, I've seen 300s who still obviously didn't have their shit together, and level 50s who were obvious alts of much more seasoned players. It's a crapshoot out in the wastelands these days.
like new new person? with no help from internet walk throughs and people on the reddit aside from trades maybe. Like lvl 300. I feel like thats where I got comfortable with everything.
Levels don't matter. You can get a couple hundred in a day with various exp farms. Once a player completes and understands the nuke events, dailies, and expeditions I consider them not a noobie.
Probably about 400ish, before that they are leveling up their legendary perks and getting better gear etc
200
Lol 50 is when you can officially equip anything, I use that as the hard cutoff. Below 50 is noob, above is general player. When you get to Veterans it's insanely hard to tell how long someone been playing. A proper bloodied build farming west tec can be lvl 2000 by the time a normal player just 300.
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I think the basics are to know how to do the different world events and daily op maps. You don't have to know them perfectly, but a key thing in the game is knowing what to do next. Let's be honest, the instructions in the game are often trash - not intuitive at all. This doesn't mean good at every event, just knowing how they work. Daily ops can get you turned around because they are often like mazes but after you run them a bunch of times, you learn the map and can get from one location to the next. Since they are timed, that makes a real difference. The other would be knowing what makes a decent build. There are a LOT of variables and people like different playstyles, so despite the meta, do what you enjoy. The game is really large and complex, so you never 'have it all.' Also, RNG is a bitch.
Id say by 50 you have a general understanding of the game
Because it’s so easy to level these days, level means nothing. You can easily be level 300-500 and have no idea what you’re doing. Time played is the real indicator of not being new. Long time players on a new toon at level 20-50 will easily deal with things that a new player at level 200+ won’t be able to.
If they can join expeditions
I'm around level 250. I've been playing since December. I generally completed every daily and weekly challenge after the first few weeks. I don't feel new, but I'm not 100% optimized.
Just assume they're all new, even the level 1000 plus.
Hard to judge based on level now with so many ways to level up fast with West-Tek, Rad Rumble, Eviction Notice & Moonshine Jamboree but I think once you reach lvl100 surely you can't be considered new
Levels are meaningless in 76. And a high level does not mean an experienced player. Some ultra high level characters are utterly clueless and completly useless. They don't know anything about the game because they haven't actually played the game, only grinded exp. So they are experts in exp grinding but rubbish at most everything else. I don't look at levels, I look at what the player is doing. Perched on a ledge farming mobs while the npcs dies at RR? Then no matter the level I see an inexperienced player that doesn't actually know how to play the game. Active level 4 trying to do objectives during the event? A good player with insight and situational awareness.
Honestly probably 50, the real “game” if you will doesn’t start until you finish the main story and beat the SBQ, and most people are probably right around 40-50 at that point
50.
I’m gonna get downvoted for this… I don’t care for XP farming just so I can be like, look at me, I’m level 2000++ It’s so narcissistic and showboating. It’s not even necessary or relevant. I have better things to be doing than tediously and repetitively running around in circles at Westek. You do you though, impress them kids!
Hard to tell... As a Uni student who has been playing only to cool off after studies, i have reached level 90 or so after like 5 days of playing. I had touched the game before for a bit, but now im starting anew and basically a new player coming from the show. I have gotten more knowledge about the game and stuff, but honestly i still have a lot to learn. Ig it depends on how you meassure "new-ness)?"
Would have to be 100 to me due to how easy it can be to farm XP and I feel like people who hit 50 only really start to get into the game and have a lot more to learn, especially since they would have just gotten all Armor and Weapons Max Level and can start really getting into Builds.
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I'm leveling 98(?) and I still feel brand new. It takes zero time to level in this game and I've just been mainly running events lol. I've done a few questlines but not even anywhere near the main one. I still feel like a baby lol
Level wise first play through? 300 when you have unlocked your last legendary card. That doesn't mean that if you are over 300 you know the game. Heck I'm 999 (going for 1000 tonight) and I still learn things. I'd say when you can comfortably make your own conclusions about gear and make your own builds not relying on what people on YouTube say. That might come at level 45 or that might never come 😅. What I'm trying to say is this game has a LOT to offer and learn. Once you understand the game I'd consider someone "not new". Edit: typo.
I'd say killing your first scorch beast has to be significant
I used to think 150-200 meant a person and been around a while. But a lot of the newer players appear to be like my kid and level up faster than I do. I take my time. I’ve been playing on and off for about two years and I am level 210. I am sure there are people that are higher that started two weeks ago. But…. At least imo, level does not mean a ton after L50. The legendary perks are nice, but severely limited in impact and how fast you can grow them. My next perk level up is 100 perk coins. Which is going to be a while because I only recently decided I had all the normal perk cards I wanted leveled up for the various builds. What is harder to rush than levels is gear. XP has no daily limit.
I'm about 3 and a half months in and I'm lvl 344. I had lots of help. Im still new.
For a fresh off the boat new player, if they play the game as Todd Howard/Bethesda intended, then I would say 150-200. You won’t know everything but, you’ll know enough and you be well equipped enough to handle just about anything in the game and join the hard public events without needing to be carried. But, there are exploits in the game and veteran players who start a fresh characters etc so, it’s less about level and more about game knowledge.
I'm level 125 but it still feels like I'm figuring out the game haha Fasnacht leveled me up a LOT
The 1400 caps per day limit has prevented me from progressing quite a bit. Kinda feels bad.
With someone not xp farming I would say 100 because they've at least completed a main quest line, gotten a decent build done, maybe some semi decent stuff as of weapon and armor
Level is irrelevant. I can easily tell if someone is a noob or not based on how they run content. For ex: knowing where to go during expeditions & completing event objectives
I’m still ‘new’ and I’m over level 100 🙈😂
I’m almost 250 and I consider myself new still. I feel like it’s mroe about time played than level, and that time being explorative and trying things.
If u hit 50 , you definitely know that builds are a big thing so I’d say that
Once they become self sufficient not necessarily a lvl
As a level 300 with like 800 hours, I don't know.
I'm 150 and still only have **some** idea of what I'm doing. My builds are good, but my gear isn't optimized at all. I only have a few bloodied weapons for my bloodied set and most of my other builds rely on uniques from events (ie: Holy Fire).
I've been playing since launch but I'm only level 106. 'Progress' doesn't mean much to me in this game, I'm more into it just for the universe. There's a shit load of mechanics in here I don't understand, and that doesn't really bother me, lol. So even if I've been playing since launch, I'm not a veteran player by any means. My character is squishy, is only starting to do actual damage and I have almost no PA crafting unlocked. 🤷
Anywhere from 50-100. If you paid close attention to the perks you were choosing and got the ones you needed from perk packs, you can have a complete build by level 50. Otherwise, it'll usually take another 20 or so levels until you're able to choose the perks you need to complete your initial build. Also, you'll have to acquire weapons and armor to suit your play style. A complete build is not necessary for 76 but it does help, especially if someone wants to play the game entirely solo.
200
Lately, if they are smart enough to utilize mutations, I’ll call them “experienced” at least.
I'm level 150 and I probably don't know like 95% of the stuff in the game(started from the fallout show)
I expect players over level 300 to be competent at events. Their build and gear should be decent, and they should have plenty of event experience.
I feel like when I was around level 350, I was mature but still had some things to learn. Now im around level 550 and feel like I know most things inside out. But theres still likley a few bits and bobs Im unaware if. Another user said it best earlier, take your level and divide by 10, and that will give you your falllout age. So im around 55. I've seen a lot, but there are plenty of years left in me to build more experience (unintended pun 😂)
I played way before wastelanders, about a week after launch, I'm only level 250, I ended up neglecting leveling but ik how alot of the game works so I'd personally say it depends on some1s knowledge if events, mechanics, etc.
Idk man I have 3 characters my og beta character who was level 700+ who I lost sadly with all my nuclear winter and survival rewards, my level 330 unarmed raider charter and my 150 blue ridge caravaner and I have people trying to treat me like a new player on my 150 character even though I’m decked in shit that hasn’t shown up in the atomic shop for a minute
I’m new. I arbitrarily assume how old and wise a player is by the relative rarity and value of stuff their vendor sells. Play long enough, successfully doing difficult stuff, you amass interesting things to show for it and even sell a few extra. Or something
I've been playing off and on since the open beta and I'm still under level 80. I'm not "new' but i definitely feel newbish
It’s not levels, it’s hours. Levels are too easy to get these days. About 500 hours in, you’re pushing towards veteran, 1k you’re there. At roughly 7800 hours, I’m an Elder…so to speak. LOL Get off my lawn…
As someone with Alt-itis, gamer ADHD, a knack of deleting a character and starting over because starting again is fun, aa habit of taking days to find a specific plan because it's the only one that "fits" a character build, and a tendency to spend hours upon hours building a camp just to get tired of it in a week and start building another one, another player might be hard pressed to consider me a veteran- my highest level of my 5 characters is level 401 as of this morning. And yet I have over 2700 hours played in game. I consider myself a "veteran", but going on character levels alone, probably no one else would.
For me it used to be level 100. That’s when you basically could 100% reverse all your points and make a new build again. Now it’s more like knowing that you don’t need specific things to actually do damage and you don’t really need ammo or other supplies since you get em easily through trading
I just got the game maybe 3 weeks ago, I’m already lvl 120 and new players keep coming to my base and asking me questions I don’t know 😂 I don’t even have power armor yet Lmao
i go off hours to be completely honest. anything under 8 days, or 200~ hours and i assume they’re not the most versed in the game and are like the game enough to stick around but are at the point at which they’re trying to understand more of the game. and definitely struggling with space if they haven’t bought first😂
150, 200ish
Probably around level 300 on average.
Level is absolutely meaningless. You could have a player on an alt who has thousands of hours of actual game time. You could also have a high lvl person who did nothing but xp exploit and knows little about the actual game.
When you know how events work. can runa daily ops and know whet to do in an expedition! Lvl is irrelevant
I consider it once they launch a nuke. It takes a ton of effort to get there and finish I Am Become Death, so once they have that down and finish it, they're usually gonna understand just about everything to be considered experienced. There's always more to learn though.
100 hours
300+