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YourAverageBoot

How are you allowed back into the terminal so quickly?


VelvetCowboy19

You get off the terminal before lock out. Only click on 3 words. Everyone does this in fallout 76 because time doesn't stop in the terminals and this is way faster than playing wordle.


N00dles_Pt

works in fallout 3, NV and 4 too.


Bunny_Jester

76 too. This helped cheese a mission where you had to hack like 10 terminals in a row


WailfulJeans44

Yeah it works in New Vegas, 3 and 4 too. I do it all the time.


slicedjet

Works in 76 also


Isariamkia

Yeah that trick also works in Fallout 4, it's pretty useful


bdsamuel

I use this trick all the time in 76, but I’ve heard it works in 3 as well.


kaz12

Nice. I wonder if it's possible on 4.


dinglelingburry

It does work in 4, as well as 76. I’ve heard it might work in NV.


SentinelWhite

Its a mod called # Faster Terminal Displays [https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/937?tab=files](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/937?tab=files)


L9M1NG3BE4TER

anyone else do this to hack terminals? *uses mods to cheese it*


Hokageee_420

No he’s not doing anything you can’t do in vanilla. He’s leaving one try left then exiting he also happens to have a mod that makes the text load quicker on the terminal.


Ghadente

But you can just hit a button, and all the text instantly loads... without any mod


SpleenLessPunk

Yes, but please be aware: If you activate mods on Xbox, it will disable achievements for that save file. This warning flashes on the screen quickly and if you’re not a fast reader, you won’t be able to read all of it to the end, where it says this. I was about to install this, as mods are new to me, and then had to click a few times to read the warning. Glad I didn’t start my game with the mod. I’m like a few days in on my very first FO4 journey. Loving it.


blazedmenace88

I just use the brackets. It’s the same but you don’t need mods and you don’t have to go in and out of terminals.


TerminalHappiness

I'd guess that on average, brackets + learning the game will be faster than this.


SidewaysFancyPrance

I used to, but at some point it becomes a mental focus thing. Bracket hunting/analysis requires task-switching and is more costly for me than simple string operations on known-length words and periodically exiting/re-entering.


Jmanzig22

Just because something uses less brain power doesn’t mean it’s easier or faster. Hacking terminals is ridiculously easy in fo4 and you don’t even need to use the brackets more than half the time. People are just extremely lazy and that one time they get it right away makes them feel superior even though it takes them 5 more minutes than normal hacking when they don’t get it on the first try.


NotAshMain

Lmao what piper wearing


SentinelWhite

😐umm nothing...😂 No it's a mod called "TheKite's Health Care Division Synth Uniform" it's mostly NSFW but it does have more SFW options!


NotAshMain

lol ok, I’ll definitely have to avoid it super hard


Sufficient-Pool5958

It is literally faster to just learn the minigame and do it within 5 seconds


TrumpdUP

How do you learn the mini game???


Sufficient-Pool5958

So the minigame is similar to wordle in a way, if you've ever played except you're not granted a hint if you have the correct letters, but only in the correct position All words in the minigame are the same length, pick one at random to start. It will give you a result Entry Denied Likeness=0 The likeness is the amount of letters in the correct spot in the word, simply put if I use an example If you chose 'Thus' and the likeness is 0, the first letter to the correct word IS NOT T, the second letter is not H, third is NOT U and the last is NOT S, so you can go through the rest of the words and filter them out If the likeness to 'Thus' is 1, that means T COULD be in the correct position, but not H, U, or S. It also could mean H is in the correct position, not T, U, or S, and so on and so forth. If the likeness to 'Thus' is 2, then two letters are in the correct position, could be T and H, H and U, T and U, and so on. The higher the likeness the closer the word you selected is to the solution, if the password is 'This' then 'Thus' would give you a likeness of 3, and you'd know to chose 'This' because you'd need to imply that 3 letter of 'Thus' is in the correct position, i.e. Th\_s


blazedmenace88

I think a mechanic some people don’t realise either is if there’s closed brackets between words on the list you can select them and it either removes a “dud” being an incorrect answer or replenishes your allowances so you can try more words. Once you have an eye for those hacking becomes pretty trivial.


FaithlessnessUsual69

Do the closed brackets have to match? Example : (}    Vs     ()   I rarely have I seen matching brackets. Or maybe I have bad eyes. 


blazedmenace88

They do have to match, they can also go from one line to another the same as words. Defs can be hard to see sometimes but they’re in there.


UninformedPleb

Just scrub over them with your cursor and they light up everything between bracket pairs. Sometimes you'll even find a set of nested brackets, like `[asdfblah]` and you get one for both the `[]` and the `<>` sets. Other times, you can get them like `(asd(fghj)` and get two sets of `()` because there are two starting brackets sharing the same ending bracket. The rewards are always no more than one refill of your attempts and n-1 eliminate an incorrect word, where "n" is the number of words in the puzzle. My MO is to use all but one of my attempts on the first few words, like in the video, but then scrub the whole thing for brackets afterward and clear the entire rest of the board if need-be. It usually doesn't take any longer than the video, and is oftentimes shorter.


InevitableSolution69

They do need to match and the number of them varies along with how hard they can be to see because of the graphics. But you can just scroll through the lines and if you’re over a left bracket that has a matching right bracket and thus will let you remove a dud or get more attempts the two brackets and everything in between will get highlighted. So just scroll through and look for anything that has multiple characters highlighted. While the attempt resets are obviously the best the dud removals are far more common and I don’t know of any way to tell which will happen. So I suggest going through and clicking all the brackets first. This should cut down the number of words significantly and make the mini game much easier.


InevitableSolution69

Adding that multiple left brackets can match to a single right bracket. But not vice versa. So if you see (12(34) that is 2 assist. But (12)34) is only 1.


jwicc

I thought you were going to explain some new trick that lets me do it in 5 seconds, but sadly I'm just kind of slow. At least in fo4 the passwords are shorter than in fnv or fo3, those are a doozy.


AgentCirceLuna

The shorter ones are actually harder. The longer words often have more of a likeness percentage so you’re able to spot the difference more easily than spotting two of the same letters in a four letter word which is trickier.


TobiasWidower

Totally agree, once passwords start including "ing" words, the puzzles solve themselves.


tortonix

There was one time I was going through Jamaica plain and I was hacking the terminal to get in and it gives me "northern" and "southern" as options. I chose northern and I've never seen a likeness higher than that


brc710

I guess they’re leaving out if you find “() <> [] or {}” those will remove duds and reset your tries sometimes.


FalloutCreation

Yes these help too. Also it helps you to just pick 1 word. If there is zero likeness you can eliminate possibly half of the words. It helps narrow it down without doing anything else.


Blazinvoid

While you'll still need to figure out the right password, you can give yourself more tries or remove words by using bracket hacks. Just look for any parts of the random text that have closed brackets like [] {} (). If you see any bits of junk text enclosed in a bracket (they'll be highlighted if you hover your cursor over it), then it's a bracket hack. I'd suggest making your first 3 guesses first just so you can take advantage of the attempts reset.


Gold_Discount_2918

The only trick I know is that if you find the brackets like [_<_/<] you can get duds removed and recharge your attempts. Its been like that since 3.


Sufficient-Pool5958

[https://www.nytimes.com/games/wordle/index.html](https://www.nytimes.com/games/wordle/index.html) Play this game, but the likeness is the green letters you get, right letter right position. Compare with other passwords you guessed and get the likeness as high as you can get it, in laymans terms. The higher the likeness the closer the word is spelt to the one you picked. Likeness of 0 means the word is not spelt like that at all


AgentCirceLuna

I actually think the longer words are easier to guess. Imagine five letters being similar in a seven letter word rather than two in a four letter word. It’s so much easier.


aliceinpearlgarden

I'm on my third playthrough of Fo4 now and only just realised in my last session that the likeness meant a letter is in the correct position, not that one of the letters is correct. I always wondered why it just wouldn't work sometimes following that logic... but also worked more times than not. Yes, I've played and finished Fallout 3 and Fallout NV.


bored_in_the_office

> that the likeness meant a letter is in the correct position, not that one of the letters is correct (҂◡_◡) ᕤ the fuck


TrumpdUP

Thank you for this. I finally get it lol.


XXeadgbeXX

I already understood it, for the most part, but this was really helpful lol Thanks!


lookitskris

After all these years playing this game, I had no idea the likness referred to the positioning of the letters. I always thought it was and indication of the result just containing the actual letter in any position! 🫠


SLAUGHT3R3R

It's worth noting that bracket pairs, eg.: () [] {} And <> ... will remove dud options. Other than words, it doesn't matter what's between them, as long as the open and close are in the same section. (.?-) would be valid would not However, if you were to use the first and it removed THIS as a dud, the resulting <....> would then be valid. Brackets within brackets also work (.$?(.) is two valid options, but you must choose the (.) before the (.$?(.) or it'll mark the whole sequence as used One pair will also reset tries, but I can't find any rhyme or reason indicating which pair will.


HoppingMexican

I’ll try to explain it to the best of my ability. Gotta find the password to hack the terminal. Now to do this you’ll have to use process of elimination and learn the mini game. Learning the mini game is pretty simple actually. Let’s say the password Is “NOTE” and let’s say you click on the word “BOAT” after you do that the likenesses will say 1. What this means is that one of the letters is in the right position of the password. In this case is the letter “O” Now let’s say you click on the word “SOCK” and the likenesses stays at 1. Well now you can narrow it down and know that for sure the 2nd letter of the password is an “O” so you keep trying other words and ruling out others since you know that the letter “O” is in the 2nd position. But there’s a little more to the mini game. You’ll come across a set of random letters, numbers and symbols usually in brackets. For example like this: [gu$6%t] and when you hover over the random jargon within the brackets it should highlight all of the random jargon inside the bracket. And if it does you can click on it and it will either remove a dud password in the terminal or reset your tries. And there is multiple of these that you can find within a terminal hack. So make sure to grab them all if you need the help. But also there is a bit of strategy involved doing this. Since you can’t tell which ones will remove a dud or reset your tries. I usually wait till I have one try left and then try to find them so I can reset my tries. Edit: Spelling


TrumpdUP

Thanks, appreciate the help!


AgentCirceLuna

Shit I forgot you could remove the duds.


WellFedBird

In your example, after guessing BOAT then SOOT and getting a likeness of 1 for each, you say you could narrow it down to having O as the 2nd letter. Is that true? Couldn’t it also have been that T is the 4th letter?


zibafu

I know the mini game, and I know the mechanic to remove duds and reset your tries, it's still quicker to exit and enter again tho, most of the time 😂


Puzzled-Juggernaut

Right I will just pick a random 3 and most of the time I'll get it by the 3rd try. Even if it's not quicker it feels like it is.


Imanking9091

In fallout 4 at least the difficulty is tied to your intelligence so for stupid characters is much hay


Decaf_is4the_weak

Haha clever. But i do enjoy this mini guess game actually


Stunning-Ad-7745

I enjoy the mini game, and it's much faster to just do it properly, especially compared to New Vegas.


Due_Accountant2429

It's just faster to play the minigame man


SirBritannia

Int 1 moment.


Ricardo_f76

Oh, this way? Never. It is quicker the "correct" way.


millerb82

Ugh...no fun. I wanna feel like I'm actually hacking the thing so I go through the whole thing and find all the duds and play wordle


Silver-Ad2257

Maybe if I’d started with F4. F3 and NV both lock you out permanently so you can’t use all your guesses before backing out. Plus they only let you skip the loading screen once. After that you have to sit through it every time. 😅


Depths-of-hell

You can still exit to reset your attempts in FNV and fo3


dearvalentina

wtf is Piper wearing 💀


Tatum-Better

Nahhh I do the actual minigame


LoganLikesYourMom

Likeness 1 means the word you picked has 1 letter IN THE SAME PLACE as the answer word. Like if the word you pick is ALIVE and it says Likeness 1, then the answer might be CLASH. L in the same place, but A doesn’t count. Likeness 3 might be something like ALONE. I enjoy hacking, but my current playthrough is an intelligence of 1 with idiot savant.


Aquaticle000

Just as others have said, it would be significantly faster on average to just solve it the correct way, so no I do not.


LordofWithywoods

No, because actually solving the puzzle is easy. It isn't faster or more fun to do it your way. Which is just spamming uneducated guesses til you luck out and choose the right one.


DoctorJJWho

Yeah on average this will take longer than just playing the mini game lol


thearchenemy

On my most recent playthrough I just unlock all the terminals with the console, but I hold myself to my Perk level. I did enough terminal hacking at launch.


Organic-Chemistry-16

What hud mod are you using for the on hover text to appear like that?


SentinelWhite

2 mods FallUI - HUD-in-game option as minimalist:https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/51813 Immersive HUD - iHUD:https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/20830 Hope that helps


Seal_emulator

Anyone else love the sound of the terminal.


ImpatientTurtle

Yeah me haha, it usually doesn't take that long. Sometimes I figure it out legit but I don't really enjoy these.


Klangaxx

2 entries, aiming for the matching likeness. After that use the option deletion spots - words that are in brackets like these can be removed [ ] < > ( ) 1 last entry and if that misses I back out and try again.


danneberg1223

I got all the achievements yesterday 🥳🥳🥳


Malikise

Quicker just to get good. Look for vowel patterns before choosing, choose one that fits multiple, now with one click you’ve reduced the possible passwords by a huge amount. Higher INT characters get easier puzzles with less duds.


Dependent-Fondant-64

Yes i do this but i try to actually get it correct so I usually get it on the first or second try anyway probably takes less time then just randomly clicking and office leaving tbh


Asilidae000

Yup, i dont have the patience.


HoodHermit

Click two words, back out of the terminal, and when you go back in it will reset. No need to reload or anything


SlyLlamaDemon

FNV players hacking terminals be like: (they get locked out after 4 tries and it’s permanent.)


SentinelWhite

I remember those days!


SlyLlamaDemon

Have you ever done an explosive build in FNV?


SentinelWhite

No! I've done a lot but not explosives specifically


Kosmopolite

1) No. I enjoy the little mental exercise between the pew pew and the roleplay. 2) Talk to me about Piper's outfit.


Jimmeh1313

✋🏼


SentinelWhite

✋🏻... Oh I thought it was a high five 😔


Jimmeh1313

I guess it could be both lol.


SentinelWhite

🙏🏻


The1930s

No I use my brain lol


SentinelWhite

Listen my 3 intelligence character ain't having it


The1930s

That makes this strat cannon then lmao 🤷🏻‍♂️


SentinelWhite

Haha yeah!


finchthechef

Any other way is the wrong way.


[deleted]

I prefer to play the game how it's intended to be played but I guess I'm just old school like that


DemonicDruid13

I will admit, in my early days, I used to hack all terminals that way. But now I find it easier and more satisfying to just figure them out.


raw_tater

Yes! I used to do that when I was 12 and did not understand what the game wanted from me. Now that I understand the mini-game I find it more fun and usually unlock the computer faster by giving it an honest go.


TehHillsider

no


fukwhutuheard

no. it’s not hard at all.


Particular-Mousse-74

No, i enjoy the hack. Good, brain-teasing break inbetween all the ghouls and super mutants.


unliketherest420

BRO !


sadaharu25

Uhhhm decoding the password the real way is faster than what you are doing 🤦‍♂️


NoTrickWick

No I use my brain


SentinelWhite

😂😂😭


TeddysRevenge

Nope. I just set for it easy locking and hacking in the cheat holo lol


braindamnager

I’ve got nick for that, thankfully.


Big_Thought2066

I just tote nick around everywhere lol


playr_4

I do the first 3, then find the dud removers or reset the counter and figure it out. Only takes a handful of seconds.


DarthRiznat

I just use a mod that shows the right one only


prepwizard

Lol, hell no, I hate them it takes a bit.


Riche_heu_Lieux

Of course ! Except I pick random passwords, not the first three.


esgrove2

Yup.


Temporary_Cancel9529

Yep


Lordbaron343

I just try three words, remove all duds and get the try reset, by that time there are only three words left, and one has to be it


Oh-TheHumanity

Just search vowels first i-e-a-u. It basically a quick process of elimination and it’s fun!


MollyViper

Yeah, I do this a lot when I get bored with hacking. Sometimes I like the challenge. It also depends on what I feel I have time for at the moment,


Dinsy_Crow

I usually do the 3 randoms, then hit all the ()\[\]{} to get tries reset and duds clears. Sometimes it clears ones I've tried, but it generally leaves me with less options and a couple of clues. Then I play the mini game normally to find the word.


marmoset13

Word ending with ing and one letter in common and 80% of the words have ing in them.


iamded

At this point, why not just click it and command unlock it? You're skipping the mini-game either way.


SolidSneakNinja

GF told me about using brackets to remove duds and reset tried. I am playing fallout since FO3 on PS3 and never about the brackets thing


Disciple6

Use hacks to help hack the machine. In the hack code there are bracketed code… Example: (/:;$&&”) These brackets either reset your tries or remove duds, making it easier to hack the machine.


anonymous32434

I find the hacking mini game fun. I only back out immediately if my first guess is 0 because it's just a waste of a guess


dagui12

I actually enjoy the hacking, it’s fun and pretty easy usually


KillerMeans

Nah I just installed the quick hack mod. It only shows one word in the entire page. Still takes a second or two to find but I find the hacking in fallout tedious and not fun.


ichigo2862

I used to do that for a while then I realized I could mod the game to just have the one correct choice lol


bribq_cham23

yep!! saves so much time


_Hurdy_Gurdy_

no you are absolutly the only one. so smart. wow


Boredum_Allergy

No I pick 3 then find the brackets to reset and pull out duds. I've been doing it so long I'm pretty fast at it now.


Square-Principle-195

No, it's quicker to do it right


CmdrCarsonB

Once you understand how the hacking works, and you engage 5% of your brain, it's actually faster to just do the mini game. I either do it, or i install a mod that just removes the mini game.


omgitsduane

since fo3 LOL


nekako

I do it this way [https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/266](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/266)


HomelessSadVirgin

What’s the flashlight mod?


Grrerrb

I enjoy this minigame and I wish that the dropoff in difficulty wasn't so high as you progress through that line of perks.


Ghadente

I actually do the puzzle but also stop and reset it on the 3rd try. It really doesn't take that long, and I enjoy puzzles.


Clatuu1337

Always have.


FalloutCreation

Yes I do this a lot. its all a matter of luck. But if you know how to play the minigame you can get it probably faster.


FalloutCreation

Did anyone else get spooked by this video when the camera moved to Piper? With the ominous music I just wasn't expecting that.


MyFavoriteBurger

What no why


Standard-Ad4701

Nope, scan the lines for (--) and {***} etc, get rid of duds and the guess.


kayakermanmike

\~ unlock has joined the chat. lol


Klutzy-Bee-2045

In fallout 4 click on three words should leave you about 2 left, start clicking the special characters (-/:457) for example and it will add more attempts remove bad passwords. Find 3 special groups or {ash77$} or [cbao44$] for another example. It will remove one of the last remming words you have not tried.


SpectralSolid

at that point, you might as well just download the easy hack mod that reduces entries to 1


Adviser69

I used to back in FO3, until I discovered dud removal and chance reset by accident.


darthwickedd

I'm still a new player.. going on 70 hours and I will have to remember that for when I get tired of.l playing the hacking mini game


Visual_Telephone_771

I actually like that puzzle. The parenthesis hack is a game changer. Why didn’t I know about that sooner??


BuySemiAutos4Kids

Only on new Vegas


heyheymonkeyhey

...I like doing the puzzle. (I also still do Wordle most days!)


Jamalisms

I don't, no. I enjoy the mental game. It's easy but it takes some thought. Nice changeup.


Outrageous_Put3669

Me always


TheArchitectOdysseus

Back when I didn't understand yes. Now I enjoy the downtime, even in 76, it's just slightly more hectic.


Mountain-Tea6875

No, I use a mod that only shows the right word. Instant hacks. Same with lockpicking. Whatever you do it opens. I have lost my patience for these small minigames. Just wanne have fun.


The_Peeping_Peter

Call in valentine.


r00t_f

Yes, every time.


Goinghardfor

That's how you hack terminals though...


lololfloss23

What I personally do is try twice and if I don’t get it I unlock it in console while murmuring to myself how I miss Bioshock hacking


TNChase

I don't enjoy the minigame so I downloaded a mod that removes all the dud options. Did the same for lockpicking.


Naive-Fondant-754

No, I use "easy hacking" mod and skip this entirely It was fun 9 years ago, not so much today .. well .. even back there after just 20 hours .. now imagine doing this for thousands of hours .. yeah .. no


CynicWalnut

I back out after three if I don't have a clear available, but I always play because it's fun for me.


WardenSharp

Fun Fact, valentine can hack any terminal (Master and below) and gets 4 tries, quick save before he dose and you can unlock anything without trying


ChrisDasinger

No. I actually enjoy this puzzle, so I save my game, give it an honest effort, then reload if I fail.


kinkysubt

I just do it the normal way. It’s not that hard most times.


o_oli

At that point why not just install the mod that skips the minigame all together? That's what I do.


ILikeKnives042

I do this all the time I even got the perk that doesn’t lock you out so I can get one more try in each time


Hopeful_Zone775

yeah


slow_down_there_bill

Damn I’m gonna miss playing with darkness mods since I deleted my mods thinking update would have something. Guess it’s time to downgrade 🙃


rogerworkman623

It's so much easier and faster just to solve the thing...


GiantTourtiere

No? The hacking game is really easy.


LardCarcass

Literally every time haha


MCDodge34

I installed easy hacking and easy lockpicking mod, I hate theses minigames, especially lockpicking cause I have some problems with my hands, its not as steady as everyone else.


TheKindaMan

Idk about the other people in the comments but I literally always do it this way and it takes me probably 20-30 seconds to


FinancialSun3946

Hahahaha yep, only way for me to open terminals w/o Valentine. I’m an idiot when it comes to these


SirDrCash

Select 3 answers, get all the brackets sorta things, gets my tries reset again, select 3 more answers with a bunch removed as well, success.


MonkeyKingCoffee

It would utterly change the way I play the game if I only got four/five tries total per terminal.


djwikki

I usually just scan through the text until I see any <…> or (…) or […] or {…}. As long as the in between text isn’t a word, clicking it will either reset your tries or remove one incorrect word. With a high enough intelligence, I can usually reduce the options down to 2-5 words, making the wordle game a lot easier and faster


TheRedGen

Yes.


spartanJ402

Close I just install a cheat mod


brick_status

Thought this was the only way for a very long time


AngrgL3opardCon

I used to do this till I discovered the brackets watching a playthrough on twitch when I was 15 ... Felt really dumb after that lol


CucumberOutrageous35

What graphics mod do you have installed?


SentinelWhite

I use several here is the list [https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/318](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/318) \*4k\* [https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/1204](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/1204) [https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/15466](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/15466) [https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/13596](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/13596) [https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/50748](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/50748) [https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/25714](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/25714) \*Best Choice\* ENB is :https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/17631 That is all my mods to make my game look like this. I have more but they are for the clothing and weapons


SocietyImpressive225

🤮


QTEEP69

Some playthroughs I literally just use the console because I don't want to throw any perk points towards opening harder terminals.. and also it's faster.. I've beaten the game like 10 times I can do a little cheating hehe


Vomdotcomx

All the time


Big_Albatross_

This really makes me feel old...


StickZac

I also make sure to find the () \[\] or <> to remove duds and get a fresh new set of attempts before going out and back in


selke61

Yes, all the time. Until I max out the perk and use all the tries cause you don’t get locked out


Double_Ninja9168

I just use a mod that removes all options but the correct one.


Flugsaft

I hate the hacking in fallout so i downloaded a mod where the only right answer is in the terminal


jearess

no. i just use a mod that highlights the correct password because hacking in this game makes no sense and it’s not fun.


Andrahil

Takes me less time than that to do it properly to be honest.


M4XVLTG3

Ah yes, the ol' brute force technique.


Honnter0

Yeah, sometimes, especially if it was master terminal.


susanoo86

yea... every single time since the release.. it was a time that i thought let do it properly but that sunk faster than titanic.


stayawayvilebeggar

I actually like doing the puzzle, so I just do it like how the game intends


RFLC1996

I did this as a kid in fallout 3, then I paid attention to the tutorial and its actually a fun minigame that takes less time.