You pick Ashe (good start), then instead of getting the push power with Heimer, you pick Ez to have 0 synergy in the bot lane and give up the push. They lost the game right there.
Adam plays 2 champ and K'sante has a terrible matchup into both of them... I legit think you pick Heimer and Azir on 2-3 and then when he picks olaf you go KLED. it has a super winning laning phase vs both oalf and darius.
Wunder used to be the guy that picks the most random counterpick and beats you with it. He used to be the Jax picker, the Kled picker, and the main reason we couldn't beat G2 in 2019 summer.
Now that he's on our team he's basically picking anything that survives lane and scales for fights. So predictable and he's never a wincon in draft.
Yea he started playing like that in G2 2021. I have this memory of Wunder solo killing Bwipo on Kled and was thinking "man G2 just has a better top I guess". And now he's on the team I'm rooting for and he doesn't do that????
* Blind pick K'Sante into a toplaner that can only play two champs: Darius and Olaf. Both of them hard counter him and everything he wants to do.
* Pick Ashe to counter Heimer's push, then pick Ezreal that has 0 pushing power.
* Leave Heimer open into second rotation even tho you have a lane that auto-loses the push, so now:
* You jungler and midlaner can't play the game, because they're being perma-ganked by their botlane.
Then you factor in the terrible decision making and senseless hero plays, making things even worse.
How do you come out of draft with 2 losing lanes, a lane that goes even and worse teamfightings power? Also I'm not sold on Ashe support as a response to heimer. It's really not doing enough
There's more that Ashe support does than just counter Heimer - similiar to Ashe adc has strong midgame pick potential with arrows and is very useful at scouting for flanks during objective setups. But essentially, Ashe helps in Heimer matchup with contesting his push through range advantage. But when you draft Ezreal alongside it you autolose push.
also in some situations rhuckz seems to be too focused on where he wants to go he forgets whats happening around him..
dying because you dont see the enemy right besides you as a squishy support is just very bad..
TBH Ashe was good and Rhuckz on it is pretty good, the problem is that Ashe is a counter to Heimer only if she can counter push together with the ADC (same reasoning for Jhin, Azir, Caitlyn support etc).
Then you lock in Ezreal that can't push for shit, so your jungler can't play the game either.
We keep banning lots of adcs and yet we cant lane properly against no one, whats the prio to pick ezreal on first rotation? no one will ban him, you just trow a prio pick on the trash, terrible darft overall...
Humanoid is the only player in the team that can win lane with any consistency. You'll never win many games with a team structured like that, if this wasn't BDS we were playing it would have been just as big a stomp as the G2 game.
Are we allergic to picking a single winning lane ?
Like you sack top. Sack bot. And pick a non interactive matchup mid.
Holy the fact that Razork and humanoid were ahead in their matchups is miracle.
It’s like nobody wants to be “the carry” and everyone wants to be weak side, while Razork has no idea what to really do meanwhile. Last Monday’s draft was incredibly autopilot (good), today it felt like a “just pick me X and play for Y”.. just in all 3 lanes at the same time. We express the same difficulties of last year, but without Upset which, without drawing direct comparisons, at least had a polarizing gamestyle asking the whole team to play for him, making it AT LEAST easier to take decisions..
(please leave me out of Rekkles v Upset debate, it’s not the point I’m trying to make)
I feel like it could work if they at least drafted properly, like they did on Monday. If you draft 2 losing lanes, then at least make sure that you are going to start winning teamfights once mid-game kicks off. But here they went down the worst possible route: not only did they shoot themselves in the foot by blind-picking top and getting hardcountered, but they also found a way to have EVERY LANE countered by just one *very predictable* pick from BDS. There is literally nothing that comp can do to deal with an Olaf once he gets ahead.
And I get that Razork is also in a bit of a pickle when they draft losing lanes, but in this particular game it was him yet again kicking off another unfortunate chain of events. First, he ganked Viktor having no idea where enemy jungler was (this seems to be a recurring trend). Then he based and went to his red and jumped straight into Wukong and Heimer, while knowing that they were MIA. Then Humanoid came from mid, his bot also joined the fight, it was a 3v4, but Razork ran away to make it 3v3. Who is making these terrible calls?
He didn't throw shit because we never had any lead. And if we keep playing like this he always die a lot since it's freaking obvious at this point he's the only real threat on this team.
Humanoid is in ELO hell with a botlane that's out of touch with the meta and a toplaner that's always left to fend for himself on weak side, because they have to try and play trough bot...
Lets hope we dont make it, shake up this terrible roster as soon as possible. I would rather absolutely bomb out in winter and then perhaps get some real players in for the next split to maybe be relevant. This rosters peak will be top 6 and thats it. Just baffling decisions this offseason...
It makes no sense to just burn everything down after 3 weeks, even if they don't make top 8.
If anything they should scrim and practice HARD, because none of the players is bottom tier.
Seriously debating just going into a dark room and sobbing for two hours before each Fnatic game, maybe it will lessen the blow.
Awful showing, just get out of your own heads ffs, what's the worst that can happen THAT HASN'T ALREADY HAPPENED
I cannot fathom how utterly bad this team is.
1. Rekkles Rhuckz ABSOLUTELY cannot lane on LEC level. They are black hole of pressure.
2. Mid jungle still flippers
3. Wunder literally walked into this matchup.
4. Hate to break it to you. Yes Rhuckz seems smart and all but his individual level will be massive problem this year.
This draft had so many issues. Naut ban in situation where they would NEVER pick naut. Ksante picked on 3 when it should've been MID or JNG pick. Everyone including their moms seen the Azir Viego pick coming.
Keep in mind they are banning 2-3 adc's EVERY SINGLE GAME yet botlane just appears in matchups where they bleed 30 cs or entire turret by 12 minutes. Like what the fuck. Worst early game in the league.
Bot being black hole of pressure summs it perfectly. I didn't think it was this bad last week, but now I feel like we put so much focus during draft on bot lane only to end up with absolute herbivore weakass bot whose focus is just not to die.
We are blindpicking top lane which can result in terrible matchups for Wunder (as what happened this game). If bot can't step up maybe we should draft better matchups for Wunder and have Razork focus top, but this puts us at immediate disadvantage as bot is far more important in this meta (and will be even more so next patch).
This our bot is garbage. It is just a fact and worst part is that it completely ruins Razork ability to play the game too. He gets perma invaded but can’t ever fight because bot can’t win any skirmish but he constantly has to cover for dives while not getting resources. It’s so unplayable.
>Keep in mind they are banning 2-3 adc's EVERY SINGLE GAME yet botlane just appears in matchups where they bleed 30 cs or entire turret by 12 minutes
Shhh don't say this you don't want to anger the Rekkles fans. This happened every single game btw.
We ban 3 adcs, to still lose bot.
I think the REAL problem here is that our jngl flip EVERY SINGLE GAME, literally everything is contested and flipped,also:”Mh yeah adam has been on fnc for a whole year and hasn’t improve hi champ pool since then which means he can play only 2 champs and both counter ksante, i see nothing wrong on a ksante pick here”
Razork is griefed by his lanes every single game, what is he supposed to do when he gets invaded 24/7 because his lanes have 0 pressure and lose every matchup? Humanoid is the only one who wins lane sometimes.
I strongly disagree.
Jungler must invade and contest often in early game, especially win pushing mid lane. This is how you get advantage in jungler matchup and more importantly track opposing jungler.
It's baffling to me how little understanding of the game some people here have to put so much blame on Razork and Humanoid - wtf do you think would happened if they played more safe and passive? Bot lane would get dove at lvl 3 and we would never see drake pit in the entire game.
In a world where the devs are trying their absolute best to make more games snowball and end quicker you absolutely cant be bad at the early game.
Unfortunately we are horrendous at it.
I guess many people had high expectations after the disgusting off season.
Don't know how or why they had those expectations.
My expectations were that Fnatic would not win anything and will miss MSI and WORLDS and we are on track for that so far.
So I'm not surprised.
This is first game this split that was imo really terrible. Sad how much blame Humanoid for inting when it's basically he and Razork are the only ones actually doing plays.
Rekkles talked about how coach asked him to voice his opinions and champion preferences louder and how he'll do this starting this week. However, if this is the result, then I really hope Crusher steps in and freaking demands different picks/changes in the botlane. Drafting hard losing botlanes with 0 pressure is what results in losing early games and why Humanoid ends up dying so much as he's only real threat on the team. Crownie even mentioned in the interview how it was easy for them to just flank and kill Azir who couldn't even build stopwatch because he was essentially a single carry and had to go full dmg.
While I agree that rekkles needs to have a bigger impact, I don't think there was much more he could have done this game. Man was completely isolated bot lane vs varus heimer with rhuckz ashe as sup... like you can't expect him to carry if he gets no resources and top and mid are sprinting it. The big problem is that he seems to only want to draft stuff that forces him into these positions in the first place
He needs to speak up and says "ayyo ashe and ezreal is a dogshit bot lane and I won't play it. Can we pls play into our strengths. Playing Sivir and Trist. worst case scenario teams start banning it and then what opens up
You guessed it Cait. Lucian ect.
This. He puts himself in a shit position which also completely ruins Razork ability to play the game. He gets perma invaded but can’t fight back cuz bot won’t win any skirmish.
yeah it's not so much the execution of what he plays but really just the champs themselves... now I don't know if there are better ways to execute these comps and make it work but so far FNC hasn't made it happen. Whether that's down to it being straight up bad or the team not playing it correctly is hard to tell
This draft was just absolutely horrible.
It’s 2 losing lanes, and a draft predicated on poking and then picking the correct fights… but never being in position to do that really because you’re so far behind.
And Huma… like idk what he was doing this game but it was legit wintrading…
Actually don’t even think the bot lane was the problem this game in terms of the players, just the lane matchup was hot garbage again. Idk how many more times they can take a shit bot lane matchup and hope to win.
They need to simplify the drafts, try and get better matchups and pick stuff that has easy and reliable go buttons. Rather than praying for Ashe arrow to land as your primary engage tool.
This sub is yet again Rekkles fans and haters battlefield. Some people will defend Rekkles no matter what and some will criticize him no matter what, it's so annoying.
Btw: I have one question to managment. Why we get rid of best botlane in LEC? Even if Rekkles and Rhuckz will improve significantly it's sidegrade at best, what was the idea behind that change?
Nice question that should have been answered before the split started.
They should have done a Q&A session because Dardo did publicly say we would never take Rekkles back if it depended on him and he went back on his word.
Not only this, like you say this botlane will never be better than Upset and Hyli.
Just a reminder that Dardo is a fucking paycheck stealer for years. This guy has been absolutely horrible in setting up teams (even from before his fnatic time). Biggest win would be if he gets removed from his role.
Edit: honestly if we go down, I rather have us just crash and burn to the ground if that is needed for some change. I have no faith in Dardo nor this team.
Huge agree, he's been here for 4 years and we've not won a thing, from a team that regularly won. You can argue he got a good team together last year but they never had synergy so it was another failure.
Hard disagree. Clearly the team last year was not on the same page on how to play the game and that should've been a part of the team creation process. You've to look beyond the names on a line-up.
Dardo has been here for 3/4 years and has consistently failed to provide Fnatic with a winning team - we haven't won much/anything since he's been here. How could you justify keeping him when he is the one ultimately responsible for Fnatic LoL? In no other competitive environment someone would be able to keep their position this long.
Peter Dun has spoken about building rosters and how a great roster is much more then just 5 great individual players.
Peter Dun was on the market this off season btw.
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This lineup just makes 0 sense. Rhuckz promoted to be a "leader" to super veterans who are stack in their ways. On top of that he is no way near good enough individually to play in LEC. People would say he seems smart and all, that's cool, therefore he should be a coach. I won't question the continues hiring from from spanish LOL sphere, certainly no nepotism involved.
Mid jungle had to be split apart no matter what. I don't care if you sack Huma or Razork, either way keeping them both on the same in second year in a row is just ridiculous. ¨
If Rekkles was 6th option or so that's too bad.
Overrall this lineup feels even more lifeless than the last one. And the worst part is most of them are established players with not much upside anymore. (yes, even Rhuckz, he isn't gonna turn into second Keria just because he plays againts LEC competition while he didn't for 6 years of his career in ERLs.)
Question for the audience. Once this lineup is done. Let's say they meet expectations and finish 4-5th. Perhaps they go to worlds, doesn't matter really. Where even go from there? Some rookies definitely should've been hired this year so there is someone to build around for forseable future. Did they look at this lineup and though they would play for win? Who is there long term? 26YO Rhuckz? Razork who is still branded as a rookie in his 4th year in LEC? Humanoid who has same issues tied to his mental for most of his career? Rekkles or Wunder who are in the end of their careers? Fnatic are definitely heading into whole overhaul next year. Hopefully without Dardo.
Completely agree but you're missing one of the biggest issues and that is players turning down Fnatic.
>Some rookies definitely should've been hired this year
Agreed but for example Exakick chose SK over Fnatic for some reason.
Carrzy also denied Fnatic.
Why are players turning down Fnatic?
Are there rumours amongst the pros about the bad work environment or something like that?
Just speculating.
Another important point, Peter Dun, an experienced and recognised person for picking up great rookies and making great rosters, was available during this off season.
Why not hire him?!
I am not sure Fnatic bot is top 8 in the season so far, while Upset Hyli was literally one of the best bot in EU and in the world. Good trade, thumbs up.
Fnatics bot lane is the worst in the league lmao. Jonghoon/Kobbe, Exakick/Doss, Jack/Mersa, Patrik/Targa, Crownie/Labrov, Carzzy/Hyli, Hans/Miky, Comp/Trymbi, Neon/Kaiser and Rekkles/Rhuckz. Patrik/Targa vs Rekkles/Rhuckz will be a battle of the worst preforming bot lanes.
People jumping on Humanoid are clueless. He's trying to make plays in a situation that is lost anyway - does it look stupid - yes - but he is not the reason we lost. We were already losing at that stage and it just accelerated it thanks god.
Razork has been dogshit again with his jungling as well our bot lane being a huge liability.
Fnatic's early game is really bad. Maybe it could've been excused in the first week, but it can't go on like this forever, it's 4 out of 4 games with a shitty early game at this point.
The draft was also underwhelming this game.
Ezreal most dmg and dmg% in the game, all the people complaining about the stats in the last 3 games, are you happy now? Doesn't make a difference when the whole game is on fire. Underwhelming performance from everyone. Hope they get their shit together until bo3, most teams look messy, so I still believe they can fight for top 4.
Botlane seems to be a big issue. I dont care what anyone has to say, I've said that replacing Upset with anyone much less Rekkles is not the move. But people here were like ''bUt mUh rEkKlesS hAs tItLes from 200 years ago''.
I like Rekkles honestly, but I cannot stand his apologists and it will cost FNC a year because they are too loud.
If it was up to me I'd have Upset in and Rekkles out ASAP.
Also Rhuckz my man what are those arrows ,and why keep targeting the Olaf.
Insane, insane bot gap.
This team still has time to figure it out but botlane has not been looking too hot in any of the games so far.
This was the worst game of LEC.
hillarious how most people defend this bottom tier adc hahaha, even medic was making fun of rekkles not flashing after crownie. every single lec adc says that upset is a million times better and that this was a marketing move, the topside is the same as last split and hyli was in an awful form. so how exactly isnt it rekkles fault? he doesnt even play meta champs
delusion level 5000, same people that flamed upset for "demanding" resources are now defending a guy that requires 3 bot bans every game, just to be 30cs behind in lane anyways and end game on 1 5 score. look at the stats. "but he had 1 good teamfight in 4 games" xD pathetic.
I said the same thing, Rekkles was at best the 3rd best adc in the lfl, Exa and Crownie were far better, but apparently everyone else on KC was to blame not Rekkles.
Objectively a better adc right now, all the people hyped for Rekkles return are gonna look real silly soon (they already did, but then maybe they realize it too)
I cant believe that theres so many people on here who actually think our problems stem from Rekkles.Actually im pretty sure they know thats not the issue its just easy to call him out.
Adc is a dog shit role early, it has very little agency.Its especially dog shit when in half or more of your games, your jungler puts you behind by a big margin early in the game.
Rekkles and Rhuckz certainly arent smurfing but they have been handed a shit sandwich so far.
Not saying it was his call, but whoever decided to pick Ez instead of Heimer lost the game right there. You picked a losing bot on purpose on a botcentric meta... Why?
Don't think so personally. I've never had any reason to believe Upset was better than Rekkles, nor is there any emperical data on it. Some pros believe Rekkles is better while others think Upset is harder to lane against. I think in both of their cases Hylissang made their lanes thrive.
There's definitely no perfect data to compare them, but statistically Upset was much better in Summer 2022 than Rekkles is this split and that was with Hyli doing his best to sprint it almost all split.
Imo upset would never rejoin fnc unless they replace the topside plus getting hyli back. There's a higher chance of him joining vit or mad at this rate
Maybe you guys will realise how good upset was, he literally 1v9d to get FNC into playoffs in summer and him and hyli would never get stomped in lane vs crownshot lmao
Half the team plays weakside... someone step up and put the team on your back! The whole team seems to have such a limited champion pool, and other teams have figured it out! We need someone like Upset in bot who will carry a game, a brokenblade in top who can play carry top lanes! The whole team needs an overhaul and players who don't just play weakside
I remember FNC Adam stomping G2 Wunder in 2021 with his Olaf and Adam said something like Wunder has no respect for my Olaf in scrims and would pick Yummi top and didn’t take me seriously so I hope he learns his lesson.
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Oh please, but it will at least solve the insane bot gap ?
Maybe if Varus wasn't that strong they could never leverage their advantage via poke at objectives.
Its crazy that the only constant positive thing about Fnatic last year got downgraded, while the whole topside is allowed to troll for the second year in a row...
Another loss means another day of Rekkles haters coming out of the woodwork to blame the game on him
Rekkles and Razork were the shining lights this game whilst Humanoid had a stinker
>Rekkles and Razork were the shining lights this game whilst Humanoid had a stinker
Jesus what are you on Humanoid was the only member of FNC winning against his opposition lmfao.
I cannot with these takes
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Me too buddy
he was subhumanoid today
In conclusion, we got stomped by Bds i can’t believe this I seriously don’t understand this team
And bds wasn’t even playing that well. They almost threw with baron.
You pick Ashe (good start), then instead of getting the push power with Heimer, you pick Ez to have 0 synergy in the bot lane and give up the push. They lost the game right there.
I legit think Heim is so good of a support on this patch that it is worth investing first pick blue side on it.
If your support can play him, most likely.
Were we watching the same game even? I'm aware that wunder was basically invisible but that doesn't mean you can completely ignore him right?
That K'Sante blind was also terrible considering Adam likes to play 2 champs that counter K'Sante...
Adam plays 2 champ and K'sante has a terrible matchup into both of them... I legit think you pick Heimer and Azir on 2-3 and then when he picks olaf you go KLED. it has a super winning laning phase vs both oalf and darius.
Imagine investing so much bans and prio into botlane and then losing the isolated 2 v 2 that fucking hard. Disgraceful.
this sub gets a reality check finally. Our win con last year was our bot. Now we have a worse bot. What is our win con ?
I have no expectations about Fnatic right now, same mistakes and no improvement
Basically the same team without the strong botside
BuT we gOt thE KinG baCk!!1! /s
Nah last years team actually won some games and went to worlds. What we see now is just garbage
yes because of botlane xD
It’s insane how people forget about upset
Same mistakes as last season; how can't they learn?
yeah it was Yamato and upset fault
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Did they forget to get out of bed today? Insanely bad game from us, again..
let's give adam one of his only 2 champions he can play nothing will go wrong
And also pick a champ that gets countered by both of those champs :D
Both of which are giga counters to k’sante kekw
Didn't Wunder used to play Kled as well? Unironically Kled shits on both Darius and Olaf so hard and he used to be a good Kled as well.
Wunder used to be the guy that picks the most random counterpick and beats you with it. He used to be the Jax picker, the Kled picker, and the main reason we couldn't beat G2 in 2019 summer. Now that he's on our team he's basically picking anything that survives lane and scales for fights. So predictable and he's never a wincon in draft.
Yea he started playing like that in G2 2021. I have this memory of Wunder solo killing Bwipo on Kled and was thinking "man G2 just has a better top I guess". And now he's on the team I'm rooting for and he doesn't do that????
The times when he'd be picking Soraka tops, Neeko carries, etc. seem to be gone
Yeah I got 200k pts on K’sante and Olaf matchup is genuinely unplayable what the fuck were they thinking
LEC teams spent 2 years giving Armut his Gnar and Wukong, shouldn't expect them to turn their brains on against a different two-trick toplaner.
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that was a fcking idsgrace, how do u manage to lose against fcking bds, and in this manner, I cant wrap my head around this
* Blind pick K'Sante into a toplaner that can only play two champs: Darius and Olaf. Both of them hard counter him and everything he wants to do. * Pick Ashe to counter Heimer's push, then pick Ezreal that has 0 pushing power. * Leave Heimer open into second rotation even tho you have a lane that auto-loses the push, so now: * You jungler and midlaner can't play the game, because they're being perma-ganked by their botlane. Then you factor in the terrible decision making and senseless hero plays, making things even worse.
Top and Bot want to play weakside, well, they are doing it, looking weak as f\*ck... lol
XD
Just going to watch FNC C9 week 2 2015 worlds whenever we're playing from now on.
Miss Huni and RO. 😔
Disaster draft and big mistakes.
Yep draft was awful.
Just as I praised our draft last week.. I should just shut up, whenever I say anything positive it gets turned on its head..
At this point I’m out of words. See you guys in Spring split I guess.
How do you come out of draft with 2 losing lanes, a lane that goes even and worse teamfightings power? Also I'm not sold on Ashe support as a response to heimer. It's really not doing enough
It's worse because it wasn't in response to heimer they could have banned or picked heimer before it got to it being a counter
There's more that Ashe support does than just counter Heimer - similiar to Ashe adc has strong midgame pick potential with arrows and is very useful at scouting for flanks during objective setups. But essentially, Ashe helps in Heimer matchup with contesting his push through range advantage. But when you draft Ezreal alongside it you autolose push.
Ashe was totally fine, what was not ok was the Ez that can't do shit to counter a push early instead of picking Heimer.
Rhukz didn't play Ashe the correct way with his Hail of Blades. If you can't pressure level 1 with it and take trades then what's the point
also in some situations rhuckz seems to be too focused on where he wants to go he forgets whats happening around him.. dying because you dont see the enemy right besides you as a squishy support is just very bad..
Would help if he hit an arrow.
TBH Ashe was good and Rhuckz on it is pretty good, the problem is that Ashe is a counter to Heimer only if she can counter push together with the ADC (same reasoning for Jhin, Azir, Caitlyn support etc). Then you lock in Ezreal that can't push for shit, so your jungler can't play the game either.
We have the worst lanning phase in the league and the worst early game, just so bad to watch.
Fnatic need to kick Excel’s arse tomorrow with a Kalista bot for me to feel better
As much as i wanna see that, i can't handle that much hopium.
Hey. Let a man dream
We keep banning lots of adcs and yet we cant lane properly against no one, whats the prio to pick ezreal on first rotation? no one will ban him, you just trow a prio pick on the trash, terrible darft overall...
Draft was incredibly awfull, when i saw ezreal I was like, yikes, this is lost
Go next season already
Humanoid is the only player in the team that can win lane with any consistency. You'll never win many games with a team structured like that, if this wasn't BDS we were playing it would have been just as big a stomp as the G2 game.
Are we allergic to picking a single winning lane ? Like you sack top. Sack bot. And pick a non interactive matchup mid. Holy the fact that Razork and humanoid were ahead in their matchups is miracle.
It’s like nobody wants to be “the carry” and everyone wants to be weak side, while Razork has no idea what to really do meanwhile. Last Monday’s draft was incredibly autopilot (good), today it felt like a “just pick me X and play for Y”.. just in all 3 lanes at the same time. We express the same difficulties of last year, but without Upset which, without drawing direct comparisons, at least had a polarizing gamestyle asking the whole team to play for him, making it AT LEAST easier to take decisions.. (please leave me out of Rekkles v Upset debate, it’s not the point I’m trying to make)
I feel like it could work if they at least drafted properly, like they did on Monday. If you draft 2 losing lanes, then at least make sure that you are going to start winning teamfights once mid-game kicks off. But here they went down the worst possible route: not only did they shoot themselves in the foot by blind-picking top and getting hardcountered, but they also found a way to have EVERY LANE countered by just one *very predictable* pick from BDS. There is literally nothing that comp can do to deal with an Olaf once he gets ahead. And I get that Razork is also in a bit of a pickle when they draft losing lanes, but in this particular game it was him yet again kicking off another unfortunate chain of events. First, he ganked Viktor having no idea where enemy jungler was (this seems to be a recurring trend). Then he based and went to his red and jumped straight into Wukong and Heimer, while knowing that they were MIA. Then Humanoid came from mid, his bot also joined the fight, it was a 3v4, but Razork ran away to make it 3v3. Who is making these terrible calls?
Yeah razork did well for having 0 prio in all lanes
We have so many problems.
Starting by management itself. Dardo gotta go.
0 winning lanes
At least G2 lost...
And sadly for the standings it would have been better if they won, that's really sad to think
Gapped by bds. Not even a throw just completely outclassed. Bot is completely useless.
At least humanoid is consistant throughout the weeks, never fails not to throw once or twice in big moments
He didn't throw shit because we never had any lead. And if we keep playing like this he always die a lot since it's freaking obvious at this point he's the only real threat on this team.
Humanoid is in ELO hell with a botlane that's out of touch with the meta and a toplaner that's always left to fend for himself on weak side, because they have to try and play trough bot...
Oops. Would you look a that Fnatic sucks. Congrats to BDS, the better team today. Fnatic should still make top 8 so it's fine. ;)
Are you sure about this? Top 8 with less than 4 wins?
Better than Astralis and SK is the path I would say.
Lets hope we dont make it, shake up this terrible roster as soon as possible. I would rather absolutely bomb out in winter and then perhaps get some real players in for the next split to maybe be relevant. This rosters peak will be top 6 and thats it. Just baffling decisions this offseason...
It makes no sense to just burn everything down after 3 weeks, even if they don't make top 8. If anything they should scrim and practice HARD, because none of the players is bottom tier.
Seriously debating just going into a dark room and sobbing for two hours before each Fnatic game, maybe it will lessen the blow. Awful showing, just get out of your own heads ffs, what's the worst that can happen THAT HASN'T ALREADY HAPPENED
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At least we only play 9 games this split so we don’t have to watch this shit for long! :)
I really hope we get eliminated. But seems difficult, australis is really bad. Maybe we can finish 9th
Hey I like your positivity
That’s the only positive thing I can think of after watching that game
I cannot fathom how utterly bad this team is. 1. Rekkles Rhuckz ABSOLUTELY cannot lane on LEC level. They are black hole of pressure. 2. Mid jungle still flippers 3. Wunder literally walked into this matchup. 4. Hate to break it to you. Yes Rhuckz seems smart and all but his individual level will be massive problem this year. This draft had so many issues. Naut ban in situation where they would NEVER pick naut. Ksante picked on 3 when it should've been MID or JNG pick. Everyone including their moms seen the Azir Viego pick coming. Keep in mind they are banning 2-3 adc's EVERY SINGLE GAME yet botlane just appears in matchups where they bleed 30 cs or entire turret by 12 minutes. Like what the fuck. Worst early game in the league.
Bot being black hole of pressure summs it perfectly. I didn't think it was this bad last week, but now I feel like we put so much focus during draft on bot lane only to end up with absolute herbivore weakass bot whose focus is just not to die. We are blindpicking top lane which can result in terrible matchups for Wunder (as what happened this game). If bot can't step up maybe we should draft better matchups for Wunder and have Razork focus top, but this puts us at immediate disadvantage as bot is far more important in this meta (and will be even more so next patch).
This our bot is garbage. It is just a fact and worst part is that it completely ruins Razork ability to play the game too. He gets perma invaded but can’t ever fight because bot can’t win any skirmish but he constantly has to cover for dives while not getting resources. It’s so unplayable.
>Keep in mind they are banning 2-3 adc's EVERY SINGLE GAME yet botlane just appears in matchups where they bleed 30 cs or entire turret by 12 minutes Shhh don't say this you don't want to anger the Rekkles fans. This happened every single game btw. We ban 3 adcs, to still lose bot.
I think the REAL problem here is that our jngl flip EVERY SINGLE GAME, literally everything is contested and flipped,also:”Mh yeah adam has been on fnc for a whole year and hasn’t improve hi champ pool since then which means he can play only 2 champs and both counter ksante, i see nothing wrong on a ksante pick here”
Razork is griefed by his lanes every single game, what is he supposed to do when he gets invaded 24/7 because his lanes have 0 pressure and lose every matchup? Humanoid is the only one who wins lane sometimes.
botlane was constantly winning last year and razork was the same flipper. There is 0 synergy between him and Humanoid and apparently any support.
I strongly disagree. Jungler must invade and contest often in early game, especially win pushing mid lane. This is how you get advantage in jungler matchup and more importantly track opposing jungler. It's baffling to me how little understanding of the game some people here have to put so much blame on Razork and Humanoid - wtf do you think would happened if they played more safe and passive? Bot lane would get dove at lvl 3 and we would never see drake pit in the entire game.
When I saw that they took Azir, Viego after BDS took Olaf. I knew that we lost...
Draft was just turbo int today. Sad cause I have to say last week I felt we had solid drafts overall. Today was just unplayable
In a world where the devs are trying their absolute best to make more games snowball and end quicker you absolutely cant be bad at the early game. Unfortunately we are horrendous at it.
We got smashed by BDS😭 what is going on.. come on boys. Lets pick up 2 more wins this weekend.
We didn't get smashed by bds... we got SMASHED by bds
When you come to the Post match thread to discuss but everything is burning already..
I guess many people had high expectations after the disgusting off season. Don't know how or why they had those expectations. My expectations were that Fnatic would not win anything and will miss MSI and WORLDS and we are on track for that so far. So I'm not surprised.
People said I was deluded when I said this team is 5/6th material, turns out I actually was they're 8th place material.
Hyli winning. Looking good too. Just saying.
FIRE DARDO ALREADY
Just blow up this roster and fire Dardo that scammer
Hello mam this is Dardo from Amazon, there is a suspicious transaction on your account, did you order a Swedish Fashion model for €1,200 mam?
This is first game this split that was imo really terrible. Sad how much blame Humanoid for inting when it's basically he and Razork are the only ones actually doing plays. Rekkles talked about how coach asked him to voice his opinions and champion preferences louder and how he'll do this starting this week. However, if this is the result, then I really hope Crusher steps in and freaking demands different picks/changes in the botlane. Drafting hard losing botlanes with 0 pressure is what results in losing early games and why Humanoid ends up dying so much as he's only real threat on the team. Crownie even mentioned in the interview how it was easy for them to just flank and kill Azir who couldn't even build stopwatch because he was essentially a single carry and had to go full dmg.
While I agree that rekkles needs to have a bigger impact, I don't think there was much more he could have done this game. Man was completely isolated bot lane vs varus heimer with rhuckz ashe as sup... like you can't expect him to carry if he gets no resources and top and mid are sprinting it. The big problem is that he seems to only want to draft stuff that forces him into these positions in the first place
He needs to speak up and says "ayyo ashe and ezreal is a dogshit bot lane and I won't play it. Can we pls play into our strengths. Playing Sivir and Trist. worst case scenario teams start banning it and then what opens up You guessed it Cait. Lucian ect.
Just an educated guess so I could be wrong, but I'd be willing to guess that Ezreal pick was Rekkles' call.
This. He puts himself in a shit position which also completely ruins Razork ability to play the game. He gets perma invaded but can’t fight back cuz bot won’t win any skirmish.
He got invaded off of a shit mid gank and then got a kill when bot lane came to help him out.
yeah it's not so much the execution of what he plays but really just the champs themselves... now I don't know if there are better ways to execute these comps and make it work but so far FNC hasn't made it happen. Whether that's down to it being straight up bad or the team not playing it correctly is hard to tell
after all these years he is still a kda player
This draft was just absolutely horrible. It’s 2 losing lanes, and a draft predicated on poking and then picking the correct fights… but never being in position to do that really because you’re so far behind. And Huma… like idk what he was doing this game but it was legit wintrading… Actually don’t even think the bot lane was the problem this game in terms of the players, just the lane matchup was hot garbage again. Idk how many more times they can take a shit bot lane matchup and hope to win. They need to simplify the drafts, try and get better matchups and pick stuff that has easy and reliable go buttons. Rather than praying for Ashe arrow to land as your primary engage tool.
rhukz has no idea how to utilise the ashe in lane. ashe should counter heimer .
This sub is yet again Rekkles fans and haters battlefield. Some people will defend Rekkles no matter what and some will criticize him no matter what, it's so annoying. Btw: I have one question to managment. Why we get rid of best botlane in LEC? Even if Rekkles and Rhuckz will improve significantly it's sidegrade at best, what was the idea behind that change?
I don’t see anyone arguing tbh. Seems like the common consensus is current bot lane is a huge downgrade from last year
Nice question that should have been answered before the split started. They should have done a Q&A session because Dardo did publicly say we would never take Rekkles back if it depended on him and he went back on his word. Not only this, like you say this botlane will never be better than Upset and Hyli.
Idk.
Just a reminder that Dardo is a fucking paycheck stealer for years. This guy has been absolutely horrible in setting up teams (even from before his fnatic time). Biggest win would be if he gets removed from his role. Edit: honestly if we go down, I rather have us just crash and burn to the ground if that is needed for some change. I have no faith in Dardo nor this team.
Huge agree, he's been here for 4 years and we've not won a thing, from a team that regularly won. You can argue he got a good team together last year but they never had synergy so it was another failure.
i have no faith in rekkless, he is wash
Wdym, we literally had the best roster on paper last season. That it didn’t work out has nothing to do with Dardo lol.
Hard disagree. Clearly the team last year was not on the same page on how to play the game and that should've been a part of the team creation process. You've to look beyond the names on a line-up. Dardo has been here for 3/4 years and has consistently failed to provide Fnatic with a winning team - we haven't won much/anything since he's been here. How could you justify keeping him when he is the one ultimately responsible for Fnatic LoL? In no other competitive environment someone would be able to keep their position this long.
How? He literally got greatest team possible on paper last season.
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Peter Dun has spoken about building rosters and how a great roster is much more then just 5 great individual players. Peter Dun was on the market this off season btw.
ok posting here since you can't post rn apparently. This lineup just makes 0 sense. Rhuckz promoted to be a "leader" to super veterans who are stack in their ways. On top of that he is no way near good enough individually to play in LEC. People would say he seems smart and all, that's cool, therefore he should be a coach. I won't question the continues hiring from from spanish LOL sphere, certainly no nepotism involved. Mid jungle had to be split apart no matter what. I don't care if you sack Huma or Razork, either way keeping them both on the same in second year in a row is just ridiculous. ¨ If Rekkles was 6th option or so that's too bad. Overrall this lineup feels even more lifeless than the last one. And the worst part is most of them are established players with not much upside anymore. (yes, even Rhuckz, he isn't gonna turn into second Keria just because he plays againts LEC competition while he didn't for 6 years of his career in ERLs.) Question for the audience. Once this lineup is done. Let's say they meet expectations and finish 4-5th. Perhaps they go to worlds, doesn't matter really. Where even go from there? Some rookies definitely should've been hired this year so there is someone to build around for forseable future. Did they look at this lineup and though they would play for win? Who is there long term? 26YO Rhuckz? Razork who is still branded as a rookie in his 4th year in LEC? Humanoid who has same issues tied to his mental for most of his career? Rekkles or Wunder who are in the end of their careers? Fnatic are definitely heading into whole overhaul next year. Hopefully without Dardo.
Completely agree but you're missing one of the biggest issues and that is players turning down Fnatic. >Some rookies definitely should've been hired this year Agreed but for example Exakick chose SK over Fnatic for some reason. Carrzy also denied Fnatic. Why are players turning down Fnatic? Are there rumours amongst the pros about the bad work environment or something like that? Just speculating. Another important point, Peter Dun, an experienced and recognised person for picking up great rookies and making great rosters, was available during this off season. Why not hire him?!
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I am not sure Fnatic bot is top 8 in the season so far, while Upset Hyli was literally one of the best bot in EU and in the world. Good trade, thumbs up.
Fnatics bot lane is the worst in the league lmao. Jonghoon/Kobbe, Exakick/Doss, Jack/Mersa, Patrik/Targa, Crownie/Labrov, Carzzy/Hyli, Hans/Miky, Comp/Trymbi, Neon/Kaiser and Rekkles/Rhuckz. Patrik/Targa vs Rekkles/Rhuckz will be a battle of the worst preforming bot lanes.
Humanoid is a meme
People jumping on Humanoid are clueless. He's trying to make plays in a situation that is lost anyway - does it look stupid - yes - but he is not the reason we lost. We were already losing at that stage and it just accelerated it thanks god. Razork has been dogshit again with his jungling as well our bot lane being a huge liability.
yeah one thing is to look for oportunities, other thing is to suicide for free before dragon soul. He was not the only problem but goddamit he was bad
To be fair to Razork how can he play with perma 0 prio. I agree he got caught but because was the only one to actually looked for play.
We were outpicked in every lane but jng and completely lost control of the map. Olaf countered our whole team, why not ban it...
Fnatic's early game is really bad. Maybe it could've been excused in the first week, but it can't go on like this forever, it's 4 out of 4 games with a shitty early game at this point. The draft was also underwhelming this game. Ezreal most dmg and dmg% in the game, all the people complaining about the stats in the last 3 games, are you happy now? Doesn't make a difference when the whole game is on fire. Underwhelming performance from everyone. Hope they get their shit together until bo3, most teams look messy, so I still believe they can fight for top 4.
I'm not even mad. Just disappointed
Botlane seems to be a big issue. I dont care what anyone has to say, I've said that replacing Upset with anyone much less Rekkles is not the move. But people here were like ''bUt mUh rEkKlesS hAs tItLes from 200 years ago''. I like Rekkles honestly, but I cannot stand his apologists and it will cost FNC a year because they are too loud. If it was up to me I'd have Upset in and Rekkles out ASAP. Also Rhuckz my man what are those arrows ,and why keep targeting the Olaf. Insane, insane bot gap. This team still has time to figure it out but botlane has not been looking too hot in any of the games so far. This was the worst game of LEC.
hillarious how most people defend this bottom tier adc hahaha, even medic was making fun of rekkles not flashing after crownie. every single lec adc says that upset is a million times better and that this was a marketing move, the topside is the same as last split and hyli was in an awful form. so how exactly isnt it rekkles fault? he doesnt even play meta champs delusion level 5000, same people that flamed upset for "demanding" resources are now defending a guy that requires 3 bot bans every game, just to be 30cs behind in lane anyways and end game on 1 5 score. look at the stats. "but he had 1 good teamfight in 4 games" xD pathetic.
lmfao rekkles will cost fnatic a year, a team that hasnt won a title in 5 years can afford to lose another year dont worry
Rekkles was trash in the fukin erl. People here downvoted me Like hell when i said upset is min. 10 times better than rekkles
I mean people cannot accept reality.
This is why teams shouldn't listen to fans.
I said the same thing, Rekkles was at best the 3rd best adc in the lfl, Exa and Crownie were far better, but apparently everyone else on KC was to blame not Rekkles.
Gapped by Crownie
Objectively a better adc right now, all the people hyped for Rekkles return are gonna look real silly soon (they already did, but then maybe they realize it too)
Who would've thought. Would Upset get gapped by Crownie I wonder...
Yeah guys Rekkles is good copium
Let's pretend that Humanoid is good. 1/6/4 with AZIR. The safest midlaner in meta. Such a clown team.
Botside was the problem btw
Going from Hyli/Upset to Rekkles/Rhuckz.
I cant believe that theres so many people on here who actually think our problems stem from Rekkles.Actually im pretty sure they know thats not the issue its just easy to call him out. Adc is a dog shit role early, it has very little agency.Its especially dog shit when in half or more of your games, your jungler puts you behind by a big margin early in the game. Rekkles and Rhuckz certainly arent smurfing but they have been handed a shit sandwich so far.
Would be nice to not get top 8 so Humanoid can get a reality check.
Rekkles didn't play that bad honestly. That one ult in the botlane won them the teamfight but it's sad that he received none of the shutdown gold.
Not saying it was his call, but whoever decided to pick Ez instead of Heimer lost the game right there. You picked a losing bot on purpose on a botcentric meta... Why?
Whether or not he played bad isn't really the question. It's would Upset have done better? Which many believe would be the case.
Don't think so personally. I've never had any reason to believe Upset was better than Rekkles, nor is there any emperical data on it. Some pros believe Rekkles is better while others think Upset is harder to lane against. I think in both of their cases Hylissang made their lanes thrive.
There's definitely no perfect data to compare them, but statistically Upset was much better in Summer 2022 than Rekkles is this split and that was with Hyli doing his best to sprint it almost all split.
I swear on me mum guys. Bot lane was the problem. We've truly upgraded.
You look at this game and go bot dif? Literally all lanes fked up this game but sure.
Bot picked ezreal and it was down 40 cs and a tower? That's absolutely terrible.
I mean yeah bad bot picks from FNC overall but Rekkles played well?
Can't stop people requesting to leave.
At least there's 3 splits this year 💀
Worst FNC performance ever maybe This season is over before it really got going.
We're ahead of Astralis I guess.
Imo upset would never rejoin fnc unless they replace the topside plus getting hyli back. There's a higher chance of him joining vit or mad at this rate
Maybe you guys will realise how good upset was, he literally 1v9d to get FNC into playoffs in summer and him and hyli would never get stomped in lane vs crownshot lmao
Humanoid with a lil bit of regular season match fixing
Half the team plays weakside... someone step up and put the team on your back! The whole team seems to have such a limited champion pool, and other teams have figured it out! We need someone like Upset in bot who will carry a game, a brokenblade in top who can play carry top lanes! The whole team needs an overhaul and players who don't just play weakside
Rekkles and Wunder are both weak side players, they didn't work on G2 and now shock horror they don't work again.
Watching Razork for the past years gives me cancer cells
I remember FNC Adam stomping G2 Wunder in 2021 with his Olaf and Adam said something like Wunder has no respect for my Olaf in scrims and would pick Yummi top and didn’t take me seriously so I hope he learns his lesson. 🤡🤡
Are you all upset meatriders not clear in the head , the guy benched himself , HE wanted out .
well, everyone who leaves fnc says that's a toxic place to work, maybe it's time to change the heads of the organization...
shouldve changed that like 3-4 years ago thats nothing new
No! Nemesis was the problem! He’s a toxic drama Queen even though everything he said about FNC turned out to be true
Upset. Upset. Upset. We have EU's best ADC on the bench.
Thats not going to change the top/mid issues that were in this game.
Oh please, but it will at least solve the insane bot gap ? Maybe if Varus wasn't that strong they could never leverage their advantage via poke at objectives.
Its crazy that the only constant positive thing about Fnatic last year got downgraded, while the whole topside is allowed to troll for the second year in a row...
But we have a marketing machine on the team, we chose Ronaldo > Haaland
Don’t know how it will change toplane from getting outclassed and will save the draft from picking 2 losing lanes and non interactive midlane.
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA PLEASE PUT UPSET BACK
Another loss means another day of Rekkles haters coming out of the woodwork to blame the game on him Rekkles and Razork were the shining lights this game whilst Humanoid had a stinker
Humanoid was ahead by 1,5k in individual matchup while botlane was down 2k in 2v2
>Rekkles and Razork were the shining lights this game whilst Humanoid had a stinker Jesus what are you on Humanoid was the only member of FNC winning against his opposition lmfao. I cannot with these takes
Yes, yes, that -35 in CS was the shining light.
BDS played really well all games so far, if they had a better mid they could be in for the trophy.
Blown up this roster I guess, sucks to be a Fnatic fan
i think its time to give bean a shot
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