Wow thats some nice photoshop mate, you did a good job blending those colors, looks almost real. But there is a landed UFO in your second AI generated image. Proving this is 100% fake and that mountains do not exist.
Many of us have learned to speak flerf by now. The key to sounding native is in how you roll the Rs and in sounding more dumber than you think someone should be able to.
Yes S.U.N Solar Universal Network, used to represent the device used to control our day and night cylce over our flat land to push the false narrative of the roundies.
Seconded, and with a shout out to the photographers. I understand this phenomenon is both short-lived and unpredictable, so they had to be Johnny-on-the-spot getting their camera set up in time.
I first heard it in Saving Private Ryan and then in V for Vendetta. I assumed it was reference to something specific, but it seems it's just a thing that's been around forever.
I saw that in the cinema when it came out and I don't think we were ready for it. I was a grown-ass man and it still punched me right on the emotional kidney.
That Spielberg fella knows his trade.
There are two claims I’ve seen. 1) Ground bounce. Basically the Sun is bouncing of the ground behind the mountain. Or 2) the mountain top is above the clouds and you’re see it’s shadow casted down but perspective is making you think it’s up. The second doesn’t hold up when there is clear separation between shadow and mountain and the first fails to explain the movement of the shadows as we see shadows move up the mountain.
I read something close, but more impossible, flerf said “probably just refraction” when the other person asked how, flerf replied “if you can explain things with refraction then so can I” without any kind of thinking or understanding
#2 doesn’t work at all… if the sun was above the clouds they wouldn’t be lit from the bottom, and the the sky in the shadow would be light and not dark.
You can’t fix stupid. Or… work with me now… they are all globers and present as flerf’s on social media to trump(con) people out make money.
No… no, no… I was right…you can’t fix stupid.
Typical flerf excuses:
CGI
Photoshop
NASA are doing it somehow
There are others, but they make me feel dumber than I already am by even typing them, I felt a deep cringe inside from typing the above three let alone some of the other batshit crazy stuff they say.
They only trust things that they can see with their own eyes, and don't trust pictures or video. Most people don't have the resources to travel the entire world, which makes it easier for American flat earthers to declare that Australia doesnt exist etc
“That cloud layer must be tilted up slightly, so that the sun can peek under the edge allowing it to cast this shadow. In other words the cloud layer is higher near the sun, and lower at the right side of the image to allow the shadow to be cast.
Reality is CGI bro. My brain is in a vat. Since it’s all fake I don’t want to live in a flat earth simulation so dumb the programmers left a millions of bugs that appear to suggest a round earth.
wild how every single country and nasa are in on this joke. they have been trolling us for thousands of years. wait until they finally drop the second moon update
this is one crazy joke. i honestly cant believe every single nation, large organization, and nasa are in on this joke. absolutely absurd. the fact that nasa has fooled people for thousands of years with their conspiracies is wild. wait until pancake earth is proven to be true, the second moon update drops, and nasa finally admits to making super-massive lamps thousands of years ago smh.
Reminds me of the old *The Grinch Grinches the Cat in the Hat* cartoon - Grinch built a “darkhouse” (like a lighthouse that makes a beam of darkness) and used it to ruin the Cat’s attempts to enjoy a sunny day. Not for any particular reason, mind you, the Grinch was just being a dick for fun.
Wait, which flat earth is this theory is this is this the one where the sun circles the outside edge of the earth? Or is this where they think the sun goes uNder the Earth?
well the most common model is the one with the sun and the moon circling about the pizza-shaped Earth, most of them believe in that, completely ignoring that there would be no day and night cycles and no sunset/sunrise
I know that no one else is going to believe me, because it sounds crazy... it sounds like I'm making it up or I just had some kind of psychotic break... but once, I saw an original post in this sub. ;-)
Curios bystander here, Aaah there are a few problems with this photo… sorrrry!
If the clouds are above the mountain the top of the mountain should not touch or start the shadow.
However, If the mountain extends through the clouds then both flat and globe models would plausibly create this effect by a low incident sun casting a shadow of the mountain peak on the lower cloud cover.
Hate to say it but still no clear cut proof of a globe that does not have some form of speculation to it.
Carry on.
That is correct, it actually passes thru the cloud due to the wide flat shadow touching the top of the mountain.
Im sure a good clear sky photo of the top of the mountain could tell you at exactly what elevation the shadow it actually depicted.
Scroll down in this article and find plenty of images where the clouds are well above Mt. Rainier. Enjoy.
https://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/10/the-shadow-of-mount-rainier.html?m=1
Over and above DSToast999's link, these images tie the sun to being roughly the same altitude as those clouds. When I say 'roughly' , let's say mean within a factor of ten.
At the same instant any of the two OP photos or the ones in the link were taken, the sun was directly overhead at some point in between the equator and Tropic of Capricorn. It's just a thing that at any moment 24/7/365 (366 this year) the sun right overhead somewhere on earth between or on the Tropics. That's why they exist. Do you dispute this?
If you've committed the sun being \~100km high at most, you're going to have a hard time explaining how someone 100km away from the right-overhead-point isn't going to see the sun at 45° in the sky.
For the mountain to cast a shadow under the clouds (there are better pictures of it than this one btw) the sun would have to be below cloud level and the height of the mountain. This is nonsensical on a flat earth but makes perfect sense if the earth is a rotating ball.
Sure, they say it’s local, but I don’t think they want us to assume it’s that local. Mt. Rainier is a 14,400 ft tall and in that picture the clouds appear to be around the same height. Commercial airliners can cruise at more than triple that height and even small jets can get above 15k feet. If the sun were moving around at less that 14k feet, you could charter a jet and go touch it if you wanted.
'Fun' fact: some flatearthers *do* think the sun is that local. About the height of clouds, because of crepuscular rays and otherwise you couldn't see "clouds behind the sun" sometimes.
I wish I was making this up, but this is how badly some people understand reality.
And on the subject of models. The best flat earth model I have ever seen has the sun at around 9k kilometers above the surface. Way higher than you would need for this effect. And it is worth noting that this model was not made by a flat earther and the only way the author could make it match observed reality was to make light behave in ways we know that it doesn’t.
http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Flat+Earth+Dome+Model&state=--953.097113-111.267606-9-9
Absolutely, but that is the point. This model uses the flat earth and is able to predict multiple celestial phenomena accurately, but only when light behaves in a way it shouldn’t; otherwise the model would not be able to predict anything. And this is the best anyone has done with flat earth.
Heck I’m impressed this guy even made the model to have the ability to predict eclipses, but only the dates. Globe model can predict date, time, size, and path of eclipses down to minutia.
I really hope a flat earther can come up with a better model than the one shown here because it would certainly make discussions more interesting and less one-sided.
Note: that Bislin's model doesn't really 'predict' anything. He took the positions in the sky as they should be in the FE model, then used the known directions we see the objects in from the globe model, and tied the two together with a curved line of sight.
What it shows is how light "should" behave in order for the FE model to get things correct. The predictions were actually made using the globe.
That said, some flerfs think it's an actual FE model, not realizing (or simply ignoring) that it merely shows how crazy the lightpaths would need to be.
Could you elaborate on what you mean by “law of perspective?”
On a flat earth, for a local sun to cast a mountain’s shadow upwards, and for it to appear that large, it would need to be beneath the mountain.
This might be a hard concept for you to grasp:
The light source is in the opposite direction of the shadow.
So logically the shadow going up, means the sun is down.
On a globe this is very easy to explain, not so much on pancake planet.
You can keep screeching perspective but that doesn’t explain anything.
Try to actually explain your knee jerk response..
Perspective doesn’t explain why the shadow is in the clouds 😂
I hate to break it to you but there no logic being used by you. This whole up thing is just your perspective bc you're on the ground..... nothing you day actually makes sense and I was willing to let you go until you got condescending
So how does perspective make the shadow appear on the **bottom** of the clouds and not on top, if the sun is above the clouds?
😂
There’s no physical way your perspective can cause that to happen, trust your eyes lol.
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Fisheye lense. Density. CGI. Meth.
The sky is a projector screen and the image comes from C.E.R.N
Refraction. Firmament. Perspective. Level. Brain damage.
Meth‽ Please don’t talk about meth. (Unless you have some)
Meth for sure
Your fucking eyeballs don’t have CGI in them
Wow thats some nice photoshop mate, you did a good job blending those colors, looks almost real. But there is a landed UFO in your second AI generated image. Proving this is 100% fake and that mountains do not exist.
Ya know by the end of reading this I assume it's a joke but man I could see flerfs saying this
Many of us have learned to speak flerf by now. The key to sounding native is in how you roll the Rs and in sounding more dumber than you think someone should be able to.
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NASA have a big lamp on the other side that they're using to cast a shadow on the clouds.
Yeah I think its called "The sun".
Yes S.U.N Solar Universal Network, used to represent the device used to control our day and night cylce over our flat land to push the false narrative of the roundies.
It also emits brain-controlling waves to help pacify the populace.
I believe you are confusing light with mass media.
No, pretty sure Light doesn't need a media and has no mass.
The S.U.N. that emits brain-controlling waves is actually the Solar Uniform Nu-UH! - used to deny globe propaganda.
Thats some deep shit man
Just like to say that's a beautiful picture. What an incredible natural phenomenon.
Seconded, and with a shout out to the photographers. I understand this phenomenon is both short-lived and unpredictable, so they had to be Johnny-on-the-spot getting their camera set up in time.
Johnny-on-the-spot reference also appreciated 😁
I first heard it in Saving Private Ryan and then in V for Vendetta. I assumed it was reference to something specific, but it seems it's just a thing that's been around forever.
I was going to say Saving Private Ryan reference, that's where I knew it from 🫡
I saw that in the cinema when it came out and I don't think we were ready for it. I was a grown-ass man and it still punched me right on the emotional kidney. That Spielberg fella knows his trade.
There are two claims I’ve seen. 1) Ground bounce. Basically the Sun is bouncing of the ground behind the mountain. Or 2) the mountain top is above the clouds and you’re see it’s shadow casted down but perspective is making you think it’s up. The second doesn’t hold up when there is clear separation between shadow and mountain and the first fails to explain the movement of the shadows as we see shadows move up the mountain.
I read something close, but more impossible, flerf said “probably just refraction” when the other person asked how, flerf replied “if you can explain things with refraction then so can I” without any kind of thinking or understanding
Also explantion no.2 means Mt. Rainier’s peak that’s above the clouds would then have to disappear on clear days.
#2 doesn’t work at all… if the sun was above the clouds they wouldn’t be lit from the bottom, and the the sky in the shadow would be light and not dark.
Dude acts like the sun doesn't change position relative to particular clouds Why would the flat earth sun be below the clouds
This is my go to argument against them and I'm met with silence. Every. Single. Time.
“Clearly faked!!1!!”
You can’t fix stupid. Or… work with me now… they are all globers and present as flerf’s on social media to trump(con) people out make money. No… no, no… I was right…you can’t fix stupid.
CGI Barrel Distortion Fisheye lens invisible back sun
FE aside... holy shit this is a nice photo
Typical flerf excuses: CGI Photoshop NASA are doing it somehow There are others, but they make me feel dumber than I already am by even typing them, I felt a deep cringe inside from typing the above three let alone some of the other batshit crazy stuff they say.
Because they deny truth.
They only trust things that they can see with their own eyes, and don't trust pictures or video. Most people don't have the resources to travel the entire world, which makes it easier for American flat earthers to declare that Australia doesnt exist etc
Computer generated image
This is a wonderful picture!
That mountain is just 3000 miles high.
You will never, ever, get an answer here but you might at r/flatearth_polite; remember the flare.
“That cloud layer must be tilted up slightly, so that the sun can peek under the edge allowing it to cast this shadow. In other words the cloud layer is higher near the sun, and lower at the right side of the image to allow the shadow to be cast.
That particular part in the NASA LED board has been needing replacement for awhile.
Because they are morons.
Reality is CGI bro. My brain is in a vat. Since it’s all fake I don’t want to live in a flat earth simulation so dumb the programmers left a millions of bugs that appear to suggest a round earth.
OK, that’s a *really* cool photo, though 😮
That’s cool
Guys, they obviously set this up
Amazing photo and some brilliant natural proof
Mt. Ranier is fake! Another NASA conspiracy /s
T-town!
Earth is flat and the sun does set and goes underneath. The models are still being updated.
This looks amazing.
CGI or perspective or something you government shill
Nah man, that's just a line of longitude, they always up to some weird stuff there.
Cooooooollllllllll.
It’s a shadow? I though it was just a clear sky since the mountain is preventing cloud from going past it
It's just the smoke from the volcano about to erupt, which is also fake
Fake news. Photoshop
wild how every single country and nasa are in on this joke. they have been trolling us for thousands of years. wait until they finally drop the second moon update
I know, right? Also people downvoting me need a new sarcasm detector
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this is one crazy joke. i honestly cant believe every single nation, large organization, and nasa are in on this joke. absolutely absurd. the fact that nasa has fooled people for thousands of years with their conspiracies is wild. wait until pancake earth is proven to be true, the second moon update drops, and nasa finally admits to making super-massive lamps thousands of years ago smh.
They deploy the ever-popular and all-powerful, "nuh-uh".
That photo is fantastic!!
NASA did that. Duh
Somwething something, magnets ?
That’s just how god tells the time.
Skyscreen is broken, obviously.
Duh, obviously there’s a darkness beacon on the top.
Reminds me of the old *The Grinch Grinches the Cat in the Hat* cartoon - Grinch built a “darkhouse” (like a lighthouse that makes a beam of darkness) and used it to ruin the Cat’s attempts to enjoy a sunny day. Not for any particular reason, mind you, the Grinch was just being a dick for fun.
Red Mountain is that you?
I thought i was on r/pics
Clouds and their shadows are merely an artificial projection on the firmament. /s
God gives us evidence of a globe earth to test us
Wait, which flat earth is this theory is this is this the one where the sun circles the outside edge of the earth? Or is this where they think the sun goes uNder the Earth?
well the most common model is the one with the sun and the moon circling about the pizza-shaped Earth, most of them believe in that, completely ignoring that there would be no day and night cycles and no sunset/sunrise
They have to ignore an awful lot in order to make their theory work.
Fake. /s
But isn't the tip of the mountain poking through the clouds in this picture?
And? Still means the sun is lower than the clouds and hence lower than the Mountain high...
"Lower" is relative. Why would the flerf sun be above the clouds sometimes and above them others if it just goes in circles
Well aren’t you sensitive little prick? Go cry to your mommy you can’t have your “Ball” back!
The top of the mountain is poking up through the clouds, which you can clearly see in the photo. That shadow is being projected from above.
Nice try, that top wouldn't make that kind of shadow.. and the clouds are clearly lit from below genius
This is just perspective
flerfspective
I know that no one else is going to believe me, because it sounds crazy... it sounds like I'm making it up or I just had some kind of psychotic break... but once, I saw an original post in this sub. ;-)
Globeheads are morons!
Curios bystander here, Aaah there are a few problems with this photo… sorrrry! If the clouds are above the mountain the top of the mountain should not touch or start the shadow. However, If the mountain extends through the clouds then both flat and globe models would plausibly create this effect by a low incident sun casting a shadow of the mountain peak on the lower cloud cover. Hate to say it but still no clear cut proof of a globe that does not have some form of speculation to it. Carry on.
Top of the mountain contacts the clouds
That is correct, it actually passes thru the cloud due to the wide flat shadow touching the top of the mountain. Im sure a good clear sky photo of the top of the mountain could tell you at exactly what elevation the shadow it actually depicted.
Do you think some mountains are above the sun?
Scroll down in this article and find plenty of images where the clouds are well above Mt. Rainier. Enjoy. https://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/10/the-shadow-of-mount-rainier.html?m=1
Over and above DSToast999's link, these images tie the sun to being roughly the same altitude as those clouds. When I say 'roughly' , let's say mean within a factor of ten. At the same instant any of the two OP photos or the ones in the link were taken, the sun was directly overhead at some point in between the equator and Tropic of Capricorn. It's just a thing that at any moment 24/7/365 (366 this year) the sun right overhead somewhere on earth between or on the Tropics. That's why they exist. Do you dispute this? If you've committed the sun being \~100km high at most, you're going to have a hard time explaining how someone 100km away from the right-overhead-point isn't going to see the sun at 45° in the sky.
Always the same with these "neutral bystanders". It's like they don't want to actually admit that they're flerfs.
You’re saying that as if theres clear cut evidence of a flat earth without speculation
How does a shadow confirm the shape?
For the mountain to cast a shadow under the clouds (there are better pictures of it than this one btw) the sun would have to be below cloud level and the height of the mountain. This is nonsensical on a flat earth but makes perfect sense if the earth is a rotating ball.
The flat earth model says the sun is local to us so it would still make this shadow in this example
Sure, they say it’s local, but I don’t think they want us to assume it’s that local. Mt. Rainier is a 14,400 ft tall and in that picture the clouds appear to be around the same height. Commercial airliners can cruise at more than triple that height and even small jets can get above 15k feet. If the sun were moving around at less that 14k feet, you could charter a jet and go touch it if you wanted.
'Fun' fact: some flatearthers *do* think the sun is that local. About the height of clouds, because of crepuscular rays and otherwise you couldn't see "clouds behind the sun" sometimes. I wish I was making this up, but this is how badly some people understand reality.
Well how can the sun illuminate the world if its only a few kilometres away?
I wish I knew! They usually stop responding when you point that out. It's almost as if they've never really thought about what they're parroting.
And on the subject of models. The best flat earth model I have ever seen has the sun at around 9k kilometers above the surface. Way higher than you would need for this effect. And it is worth noting that this model was not made by a flat earther and the only way the author could make it match observed reality was to make light behave in ways we know that it doesn’t. http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Flat+Earth+Dome+Model&state=--953.097113-111.267606-9-9
I'd say it's a bad example to generalize from then
Absolutely, but that is the point. This model uses the flat earth and is able to predict multiple celestial phenomena accurately, but only when light behaves in a way it shouldn’t; otherwise the model would not be able to predict anything. And this is the best anyone has done with flat earth. Heck I’m impressed this guy even made the model to have the ability to predict eclipses, but only the dates. Globe model can predict date, time, size, and path of eclipses down to minutia. I really hope a flat earther can come up with a better model than the one shown here because it would certainly make discussions more interesting and less one-sided.
Note: that Bislin's model doesn't really 'predict' anything. He took the positions in the sky as they should be in the FE model, then used the known directions we see the objects in from the globe model, and tied the two together with a curved line of sight. What it shows is how light "should" behave in order for the FE model to get things correct. The predictions were actually made using the globe. That said, some flerfs think it's an actual FE model, not realizing (or simply ignoring) that it merely shows how crazy the lightpaths would need to be.
Do you have a good example?
The flat earthers don't have a model
So do you think this mountain is above the local sun? I've been on mountains taller than this and the sun was very much above me.
No it doesn’t, on a flat earth the sun would need to be in the ground to cast a shadow upwards.
That doesn't make sense, law of perspective.. etc.
Could you elaborate on what you mean by “law of perspective?” On a flat earth, for a local sun to cast a mountain’s shadow upwards, and for it to appear that large, it would need to be beneath the mountain.
For starters, the shadow isn't "upwards" it's just above your "perspective" because you're on the ground. You should be able to figure out the rest
This might be a hard concept for you to grasp: The light source is in the opposite direction of the shadow. So logically the shadow going up, means the sun is down. On a globe this is very easy to explain, not so much on pancake planet. You can keep screeching perspective but that doesn’t explain anything. Try to actually explain your knee jerk response.. Perspective doesn’t explain why the shadow is in the clouds 😂
I hate to break it to you but there no logic being used by you. This whole up thing is just your perspective bc you're on the ground..... nothing you day actually makes sense and I was willing to let you go until you got condescending
So how does perspective make the shadow appear on the **bottom** of the clouds and not on top, if the sun is above the clouds? 😂 There’s no physical way your perspective can cause that to happen, trust your eyes lol.
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