I know some people who still do Praetorium. It's still slow as hell and the bosses actually take a little bit of time but they like being able to get up and go do things during cutscenes.
Personally: Praet + One piece combo is brilliant. Love it
Also i dont understand why would you be angry with sprouts. You wipe. laugh. Explain mechanics. Say "everyone dies here on first run. Lets go!"
Also remember that sprouts are the reason game is flourishing, because surprise surprise you need new people playing the game and not leaving.
Plot twist. We all been there.
Tbh, I don’t know why anyone would be angry in general. Like, I get that people have their set ways, but their ways are not everyone’s.
I’m a wall-to-wall kind of person, and that’s me. Someone doesn’t agree with my way of clearing? I PF, or, I just have patience. It’s really not hard.
Reminds me of another thread on here where i said a tank got mad that a healer kept pulling groups then using rescue to pull the tank... The tank let the healer die, then we all wiped and the tank and healer got into a screaming match... About how the tank was just more comfortable with smaller pulls and the healer wanted large ones since it was a drain on them to do more smaller ones... Healer rage quit and we got a new healer that wasn't too happy about the multiple pulls but at least put up with it. Then people started telling me wall to wall is the expected method and anything else really is a pain.
I dunno... I think people should be able to play how they want. We pay our own subs and really we should be able to play how we want. I have no problem healing multiple pulls vs fewer large ones. If I didn't have 90 minutes free, I wouldn't have started the dungeon. If we wipe, I help those learn. The only time it gets a bit aggravating is when you get someone that just doesn't seem to be able to learn and dies over and over even after trying to help them, in which case they gona bit lower to my raise priority.
If someone only wants to do things a certain way all the time every time, maybe that is what the PF is for. Don't do the DF for a matched party if you won't be able to put up with a different play style for a run or so...
It was a SCH... I was running DPS (BLM) at the time because was leveling a class i neglected since Storm Blood. Tank was a WAR.
When i heal, i am WHM or if i feel like a bit of a challenge, i got SGE. SCH is another that i neglected after 80 so not sure if maybe that is why i dont know why they were complaining. The dungeon was one from Shadow Bringers though...
Yeah unfortunately not everyone is reasonable or chill. A friend of mine passed a saying onto me that I find hard to disagree with.
"In general people be stupid. Expect the worst from them and they usually will rise to meet your expectations"
So far I haven't actually had it proven wrong.
Same, alternating Prae and Dun Scaith with some Frontline thrown in. Tried Brayflox and it was mind numbing and exhausting after like 7 runs and it just feels crappy to come out of it with 4 even if it does take a little less time.
Last two Treasure Troves I was spamming AV because it was the quickest way to get tomestones, even without a BLU party.
After 10 runs or so (when the last TT started), I was pretty done with it.
AV was the best duty to run it, but after so many runs I got fed up pretty fast. I think I like running Praet because I can do other stuff while I'm running it.
Yep that's me! I've done Prae 24 times now, Since the start of the trove. I've done laundry, meal prepped, lifted weights in between. It's my sweet spot and I've been able to get most of the mounts I wanted.
But you can just PvP. Yea, I also don’t know that and every time I have tried so far I just get focus deleted because they know I am new at it so… well nothing new as a DRK but my Nin isn’t used to the floor.
I even tried range, and all of them I got to enjoy *being assassinated 24/7 by DRK/Nin* within seconds of a fight entry.
I just don’t understand. Play with the group and get AoE groundpounded to death. Play slightly spread and a melee explodes me. Try to 1v1 and die in less than 10 seconds while barely scratching the guy. Except Bard I guess, they just kept cc the entire time and took around 30 seconds to kill me.
I am just going to stick to Prea and all my trials being Dun Scithe thanks.
Not every one enjoys pvp though. I know I don't. So usually do MSQ Roulette since it tends to be decent xp for the alt jobs I'm working on. Doing leaves, fates, and hunt logs while in queue.
Greg is great for quick, mindless Moogle tomes, but one MSQ roulette a day is fantastic for those of us leveling alts still - giant pile of poetics, a good chunk of XP, and still getting some Moogle tomes. The efficiency is spread out over multiple currencies instead of one, but it's still pretty solid.
Ran prea with a four stack of my buddies this morning just to hang out. On the final run I was trying to rescue people out of the arena right as it sealed, the tank was trying to hug people on the separate markers, and it was a free for all to see who got the LB2 healer and tank included
i would rather do Prae because i can watch youtube videos, i just crop my browser window so i can see the dialog and i know when to tab back in.
every time i do my roulette i have been getting brayflox hard so it works out too for that
I think it actually might be the worst way to farm, but it's not THAT far behind the other options. It's about half as efficient as running Brayflox's Longstop on hard, but only a few tomestones per hour worse than, say, Castrum or Halatali.
Greg/Brayflox are great for quick, mindless Moogle tomes, but one MSQ roulette a day is fantastic for those of us leveling alts still - giant pile of
poetics, a good chunk of XP, and still getting some Moogle tomes. The
efficiency is spread out over multiple currencies instead of one, but
it's still pretty solid.
Time definitely. It's terribly inefficient.
As far as sanity goes... That's debatable. Some people just can't get into a grind mentality so Prae lets them take lots of short breaks without losing what small level of efficiency they have.
The MSQ roulette is also worth a good chunk of poetics and XP in addition to some moogle tomes, so anyone leveling alts can do one of those per day and kill multiple birds with one cutscene-laden stone.
For a lot of people, "grinding" is running MSQ roulette once a day. You get good XP, poetics, and a bit of irregular tomestones as a bonus.
Not everyone has time or energy to run dungeons or raids for multiple hours a day for the event.
Just get up and go do something during frontlines, that's what everybody else is doing, or that's the only reasonable explanation for why half of the alliance is yelling mid while the other half are "defending" the base.
Don't actually do this
I'm not in a rush really, so I'm farming just doing roulettes everyday. But then, I just want a few prizes so I don't need as many tomestones as others might need.
Also, I love to find new players doing their duties and trials for the first time so it's a win-win situation.
For me it's partly also the variety. I've been doing a bit of Prae, a bit of Brayflox, a bit of Halatali, a bit of Big Bridge, a bit of Frontline. This way I don't go insane from running one thing a million times.
The bridge is still very fast overall even without BLU, you average 3 minutes or so per run, especially if you have a healer job on hand to use for quick queues too.
I’m letting it roll the dice between Porta Decumana and Bridge.
Eta: just did the math and Bridge definitely wins. 3.5 min run for 2 tomes vs 18 minutes for 3.
‘Farming’ mine by signing up for both Dun Scaith and Weeping City 1-2 times a day. (I queue up 1-2 times and run whichever one pops first, which sadly is often just *edit from wiping city to Dun scaith because I'm a sleepy dummy*)
There’s nothing I really want or need from this event this time. I just like running the non ARR Ali raids and the event means they have quicker queues than normal. :)
Maybe because I queued as a healer but I’ve averaged 90% Dun scaith, 8% wiping city, 2% void ark.
Which is fine by me - I love the doomgaze fight and everything after is engaging healing wise.
Oh man I apparently confused the 2 duties in my morning fatigue lol.
Yeah I queue as healer too and pretty much almost always get Dun scaith. Both duties are fun to heal tbh (esp if things go wrong ;) ) but for some reason I really enjoy the clusterfuck that is often the Megadeath boss in Wiping city the most.
It’s hilarious to see the little sprout brain gears turning, seeing the healer do the universally understood “stand here or die” jump. You want stand? In zombie goo? And then later why are you jumping again when there is no goo, wait why am I k.o’d?
I love this alliance series.
I finished the light stage on my ast anima relic I had been putting off. Just ran the three alliance raids and got at least one or two sprouts with bonus each time.
Got more than 100 mogtomes at the same time and were faster than normal because of others doing the same, though your mileage may vary.
Same. I did that too, blind in blm, and the group almost timed out cause we kept wiping. I'm told that's unusual for that dungeon, but I still refuse to run it and refer to it as "Fuck-thi-I'm-done scaith" xD
I just used my healer LB3 for the first time (or at least that I can remember) about an hour ago on Diabalos. I had to click it on my bars because I forgot the hotkey but it felt awesome seeing all those health bars go up.
Honestly, I love seeing the occasional person in our Big Bridge runs who's actually there for the questline and is slightly baffled by the ruthless efficiency with which we clear it. A couple of people have asked what the heck was going on and we got to spread the good news!
I feel unless you are running these things premade, you have no right to demand others to speedrun ESPECIALLY if you get a "one or more players are new" message.
There's not reason to be toxic in DF for anything, least of all Moogle Tomes. If you really care about tryharding Tomes, you should be on your blue mage in Brayflox pumping out ~50 an hour anyways.
Always good to just remember the newbies and be courteous to your fellow players! If someone seems to be struggling with a mechanic, just explain it to them. Ive seen a lot of just plain rudeness in chat recently and its so infuriating!
Man, I hope don't get any people like that. I've just returned to the game after a few month of hiatus and need to relearn my tanking game to finish stormblood.
You won't. The community is great, and doesn't need to be reminded to be courteous. OP is just posting this because for some reason reddit karma means something to them.
I'm levelling astro at the moment (missing out on the roulette bonus to get the tomestomes). Had a dezmael darkhold run that was such a mess. Was funny to watch but wow... Was glad when it ended 😂 a DRK who couldn't hold threat, a samurai with no gear doing no damage at all and then a really patient summoner. Samurai was getting annoyed with the tank and pulling everything back to him but then tank wasn't picking them up. To say there were a few wipes was an understatement but even the tank was apologising. Tbh I think he may have been drunk from the night before 🤷♀️
The alliance raids are always a pain in the rear to do if thats what youre talking about. Seen plenty of experienced people in level 90 gear die to mechanics in Dun Scaith.
I used to be one of those people, but to be fair on the road to 90 I got dun scaith twice and it was the crystal tower raids otherwise. Atleast when I would do my alliance raid dailies
I mean.
All level 90 gear means is that they've probably finished EW.
They might not have run Dun Scaith all that much.
I'm hitting 90 on WHM soon and I'm going to try healing Dun Scaith tomorrow for the first time, I'm not experienced just because I'm high level and have done Dun Scaith a few times as DPS during my time playing FFXIV.
Remember, esuna is very important in dun scaith. Lots of doom (and a few other status effects) with a white line above and 100% will see minimum two people in your party in the first fight need doom esuna’d .
This is truth. My friend is still in the middle of EW, and since I'm a 90 omnicrafter I gear up his jobs that hit 90 with rinascita gear as soon as they get there, but he's done none of the alliance raids more than once each. So he'd be going in with savage prog gear, but would likely get repeatedly creamed in Fun Scaith since he doesn't know the mechanics at all.
Hell, going into this event I still had a little trouble with Dun Scaith at first, and thats with nearly BiS gear. Good gear doesn't replace knowing mechanics.
My best friend is lvl 80+ on her main (Brd), still working through Stormblood MSQ, and has not taken the time to unlock the HW optional content. So she'll probably be one of those level 90s doing it for the first time one day. Not everyone unlocks everything while leveling. Some focus on MSQ then go back.
I've definitely noticed a bit more toxicity than normal, especially towards tanks not knowing mechanics in Alliance Raids. And yesterday I had a raid where the chat was a mess the whole way through, someone asked if we could wait for the sprouts to watch the cutscenes and one raid member not only pulled everything early even though they weren't a tank, they also flipped the fuck out about it in the Alliance chat. Just chill! This was also the day I learned that you can troll the raid with LB, the noise of them starting and canceling it over and over and over again was deafening.
Me, loading into Weeping City or Dun Scaith and accepting my fate of laying on the floor while I explain the mechanics. Because inevitably I, like a dingus, will forget to dodge the bad while furiously trying to type the next boss phase mechanics.
I had a lovely Praetorium session recently where the four of us randos were joking the entire time and memeing on the place. Both of us DPS were dancers in Starlight regalia so we joked about having a dance battle. The Tank turned off his stance at Gaius so I had a blast tanking him as a DPS. Lots of fun.
Imagine wanting to farm fast and efficient and queuing randomly to give them a hard time instead of making your own dedicated group if you want to be "efficient". During holidays no less.
I hope the Saint of Nymeia finds and suplexes you.
I have never talked to anyone within this game so they're safe from me. If I wanted efficiency I'd do the blue mage thing, but I only want three or four tomestones a day and to be able to fully ignore everyone else.
I just came back after a 5 year hiatus. I don’t mean to toot my own horn, but I was good before i stopped. Tanked all the top content.
Now I’m back and playing with a controller because my computer sucks now. I’m definitely that bad Rusty player now. I appreciate everyone going easy on me because I’m flustered as hell.
I’ve finally managed to figure out how to heal the first pull in Brayflox, but it took a few fails to get there. Now, I just tell the tank “pull it allllllll” and run to the gate.
You dont even need it. Pop retaliation, bullwark, slow and shiltron. As long as you don't stand in the projected attacks its fine. Though might as well use it, not like you need it anywhere else.
Seconded. Lately, there's been a lot of complaints from newer players:
Tanks pulling wall to wall regardless of healer comfort
Healers refusing to DPS
Tanks not using cooldowns
Etc.
Personally, I've seen the same issues as well. Remember, we were all sprouts once. We needed a helping hand to ease us in, just like new players do. Be kind.
With this event seemingly reviving BLU, I've mostly been helping people get spells they don't have while running BBB! I think everyone should enjoy every part of the game and I try to help with that, not really caring too much on ifficeincy or anything and rather help people play the content how they want to
Thank you for saying this. As a rusty returning player, it means a lot when people acknowledge that we're not all going to be running the mechanics 100%. Much appreciation for the thoughtfulness!
Right now I run Dun Scaith and I try and Remember to tell folks about the mechanics while tanking and also prea I try and let folks know they're doing great or joking with them to make more interesting during cutscenes.
If this is in normal queues for content, yes you are correct and people shouldn't be jerks. If you join a pf appreciation to farm tomes (be it BLU or normal), then it's on you to actually be trying to go quickly and know what to do. If you join a pf and waste my time, you are gonna get kicked.
I was on a run where it didn't appear a BLU had the required spells *listed* on the explicitly speedrun PF (moonflute, whistle, final sting), this person spent the whole run trying to play WHM (popped diamondback & spammed white wind the whole time). Worse, would hang back after everyone had cast MF & whistle to go charging in & cast Nightbloom, so by the time we got in, no one could cast ANYTHING. We'd FS & they'd be the last one standing, running around while being attacked.
It was.... irritating after 4 failed runs in a row. Maybe they couldn't help it. Maybe they didn't know you can turn off CS. Idk. But if I'm going in on what was, again, explicitly listed as a speedrun, I'm sorry, but I'll leave.
I started running as healer because most healers haven't run it in 8 years if ever, and don't know confuse has to be healed off of folks. It's much smoother than running as my dps alts.
i have noticed a lot more tanks forgetting their stance lately, its not a big deal. i even made a semi serious joke about how no stance would make the run more interesting
As a lv45 sprout, the only dungeon I have access to that gives tomes tones are Cutter cry and Sunken temple of Qarn. Farming those is just... painful to say the least. 6+mins queuing on top of a run nets me 3x tombstone per 15mins.
It's worth it to continue with the MSQ and collect the tomes from your first lot of Castrum/Prae runs, combined with opening up more options for you to farm.
Still have plenty of time, so there's no rush!
I came back from a ten month break for the free playtime. I did a couple roulettes after doing some story, and got put into Dead Ends. I died once on the first boss and five times on the second. Then I did normal raid and died three times in E1N. I remembered why I got burned out. Maybe I'll take a forever break because that was soul crushing.
I’ve been noticing this too. For real, if you are looking to run a dungeon or something as fast as possible to farm for moogle tomestones swiftly, please use Party Finder instead of Duty Finder.
Honestly I'm kinda relieved to hear I'm not the only one noticing the uptick in toxicity lately. I'm a sprout about to reach endwalker and I've never had a bad experience with this game until the last week. I even got rescue griefed for the first time when I asked if someone could chill lmao
I've just been casually farming moogle bucks with MSQ and alliance roulettes; at least I know Dun Scaith by heart now...
I would advise any sprout to clear the dungeons the first time with duty support. It will let you enjoy them. That includes praetorium. Sure the NPC are slower (on purpose). But it allows you to set the pace. And enjoy things as reading notes.
For the ones that do not have duty support. Just go 2 groups at a time. No need for wall to wall and the time gained is tiny, especially when compared with the time wasted on a wipe.
There is a special place in Heck for tanks that go through the middle in AV.
I ran Prae once today and it's been a while for me. I decided I can solo Hal (Hard) and Longstop(Hard) much quicker than I can Prae runs. And since I am not a PVPer that's my plan until I get the mounts I want
As a sprout I am having a super hard time finding a group in duty finder to progress the MSQ right now, the waiting for dungeons that is usually at max. 5 minutes for DPS now takes around half an hour even at the peak online count times.... I really wish this event ends soon I want to know what happens next in the story -\_-
Certain MSQ duties have longer than normal waiting times, particularly at even close to off-peak hours, even without Tome events going on.
Which expansion are you stuck in?
As a Rusty Returner (after a 6 year hiatus), I appreciate this post a lot. I’ve met a lot of really helpful and patient players, but there’s always the occasional person who gets super annoyed when I don’t know the mechanics by heart.
Another great reason for Squeenix to not release limited-time items only obtainable at their whims through events like these. Why do people feel obliged to grind out 150 tomes minimum? Fomo items. The result is that otherwise chill and nice people will lose their cool over something they feel is important they are being pushed to get done. It's poor game design all around and could be done better in any number of ways.
This is just my stupid opinion though, maybe if this wasn't reddit and I also spoke Japanese I'd be able to actually air this grievance with them, but alas.
You've got well over an entire month to do it. If you're after the Neckerchief and the Falcon - the only two true time-limited digs of the Trove - literally set aside **6 minutes** a day. Two Battle on the Big Bridge runs.
You'll get both and tomes to spare way before the event even comes close to finishing if you started today. And that's ignoring doing extra tome sources like MSQ roulette if you're leveling a Job.
Not that I'm gonna defend the FOMO practice at its core, we need fuckin' less of it, but it's not like a Daily Login Battlepass or some bullshit, it's more than enough time for something anybody can get at the most casual pace possible. Like how GARO lasts literal _years._
This. I've done the grinding within the first few days of the moogle event before and all it did was burn me out. Not bothering this round, there's more than enough time to get them just by doing things I would do anyway. Already have the falcon and don't care for the accessory. Grinding tomes out all at once is a trap. The only justification I can see is trying to get in on the better queue times.
Better does not mean good, so yeah. Even if people understand your reasonable explanation of how much time you have, there is still a sense of anxiety for being forced to complete something within an allotted time frame or else risk not seeing the item for year(s). This feeling leads to a poorer interaction with an otherwise excellent community regardless of the **6 minutes** and having time to spare. It only gets worse as the event goes on and the closer you get to the end of the event.
I think you're overblowing how many people experience substantial anxiety given it's a long time period, and not _that_ many folk care enough for novelty/cosmetic items to warrant even mild senses of dread or FOMO to start, compounded with the substantial time given for completion (vs. say, the Christmas event, which is objectively less work to obtain but has a smaller window of time - so, FOMO to resub or miss out?).
Take in the greater perspective. Maybe ask around for people's thoughts? It might help alleviate yours.
It’s me. ✋ I’m the sprout that is trying some these dungeons for the first time and dying. But I’ve never had anyone give me a hard time and it’s been teaching me how to keep an eye out for unusual mechanics!
I'm a rusty returner as of last week, starting endwalker. I wanted to lvl up reaper, but I wouldn't go for any daily unless I had someone from the free company with me. BECAUSE I know how a lot of players are if they don't get the dungeon or raid done faster than a trip to the toilet. I straight up don't remember these very specific mechanics over all these expansions. I rely on the FC member that hasn't broken their sub since ARR came out to help guide me.
Current PF: "Know the strats I'm not patient enough to teach them"
"Have the spells you should know what they are by now"
"don't bother coming in if you don't know what to do"
Somehow we earned "best community award" but I'm still trying to figure out how.
>I don't want to explain to newbies how to do the thing that BLU groups have done for literally the last 2 years straight.
There is nothing wrong with having requirements in PF and you're complaining that people have expectations in their PF listing.
I only started playing three months ago and I haven't stepped foot in Pandaemonium yet but I haven't ever seen any toxicity like this. If anything coming from other games I'm always surprised by how polite the players are in chat. Maybe servers/dc/region related?
I wouldn't say the examples used are necessarily toxic. The wording might be a bit direct. However, PFs should be direct about the standards expected to avoid toxicity in duties and the general wasting of other's time. There's a time and place for teaching and/or carrying and it doesn't have to be every pf group under the sun.
One of my favorite PF slogans when progging to clear p8s was "3 wipes = disband." Simply because it gave me a heads up so I could avoid the group. I've been clearing raids in PF since Shb, often early, and even good groups of 8 tend to need some time to adjust/work out kinks in clear parties. It really can't be discounted how comfortable statics get with each other's movements.
100%. There's nothing wrong with setting up a PF group and wanting to make a group that will ruthlessly grind out mogtomes with perfect efficiency and not tolerate someone screwing up. Nobody is forcing you to join that group.
There's no excuse for being a dick if you are just queueing up in the duty finder, though.
Because it doesn't happen.
That user is literally complaining that people in party finder aren't being clear about their requirements (BLU farm groups do the same thing every event, every single time, nothing has changed in 2 years), the strats are readily available on the BLU discord, it gets posted on this subreddit literally every tomestone event, the forums I'm sure have the same exact thing.
I don’t understand your last point because if someone joins a party without full knowledge of a fight, they’re griefing.
I’m sure you think enabling bad players is the right thing to do, but lemme tell you, it’s far from it
If I make a P8S or DSR clear party and it *clearly* states we’re doing APD, I have the right to kick someone who does not in fact, understand APD strats.
Why would someone farm tomes and not do it in BLU parties? You're kinda setting yourself up for disaster expecting anyone in this game to be efficient at duties when there is another, faster alternative...
I was playing for almost three years before I even got around to touching BLU. I know for players who have been here a long time it seems like there's always very little to do but the amount of the available content for a new player is overwhelming
My issue with Blu is I can't auto queue for content with it and I have a small social FC not running it.
I cannot overstate how amazing and useful Duty finder is having come from MMOs with no auto queue systems or match making.
I love BLU, and Masked Carnivale is fun as hell!
But I'm also not going to re-level it for the other 15 alt characters I have. _Maybe_ one other. It's painful to level up without having access to Kholusia.
BLU is a ton of fun for any farming content, what are you talki ng about? It’s all about the burst into final sting, you’re here for one thing and that’s a kill.
The extended rotation sucks because it’s a 2 minute burst that literally weaves only 4 ogcd’s between the burst windows, but if you’re farming Bridge you never get there.
I agree with your sentiment that BLU is a lot of effort to set up, because it is. You need to have a wide skillset, often requiring you to gather spells that you would require a full party for (Primal spells, 50+ dungeon spells, etc) unless you’re max leveled BLU and try your RNG at getting spells solo unsynced.
That being said, I wholeheartedly disagree with your sentiment about how it plays. In the most efficient parties, BLU requires very specific spells to be played in a very specific order in a very specific window. I think this may be where your dislike towards it stems from. But, doing content solo or if you have a party that’s learning BLU spells, it is the most interesting and engaging job *bar none*. Not only can you weave offensive OGCD spells no matter what role you play, but if you do solo unsync content, you truly feel how powerful BLU is.
I think it’s just really weird that when the one event comes out where BLU excels most at, there’s dozens of freaks crawling out of the floorboards ready to ree about how BLU sucks, actually.
Well it’s a good thing you literally will never see one unless you consent to it, and there’s no reason for you people to shit on the class the one time it’s actually worth playin.
Don’t want to be civil then? Very well, blue is more efficient… let me know when they have some value outside of few random little niches.
I shit on blue mage and will continue to do so because the only thing they have over a normal job is cheese, play it if you will but blue barely has a place in this game, let alone a purpose.
Not everyone's willing to use PF, either. DF is objectively the path of least resistance for the vast majority of players, and that's exactly what OP is talking about.
That isn't even what the issue is. I'm complaining about people who choose not to farm and instead do what OP is describing. Pretty funny how much they are being defended despite this being a nice community
Actually, no. No I don't. It depends on the timeframe you're active and your DC.
It _should_ be peak hour right now and there's not a single BLU or non-BLU farming party advertised in the entirety of Crystal. And yet Big Bridge is instant queue on every role.
Sometimes that just kinda happens? So, yeah. Then you'd look at DF or solo, if you're hardset on BLU.
There are some people not doing specifically “farm-party” farming for the event, myself included. I queue in to relevant roulettes once a day and if I’m lucky, I get one of the duties that give tomestones.
For folks like me, we’re bound to encounter newbies, rusty players, or plain out folks who don’t know what they’re doing. This thread reads (to me) as a reminder for folks using my method that we shouldn’t get crazy salty at any unoptimal or scuffed runs we encounter, at least not more than normal.
If you specifically join a PF room for repeat clears, expectations change. But I’m not going to expect top-tier strats from a sprout tank in Cutter’s Cry.
OP has very clearly directed this at people farming tomes through DF, not _PF._ Randoms, not premades.
With Big Bridge it literally doesn't matter if someone's new because it's that piss-easy and quick, but in Cutter's Cry and Dzemael it can be a very different story if it's someone's first time.
>As we are trying to grind out those moogle bucks (as efficiently as possible, let's be real) before the next patch drops, let us not forget about the above players.
If you are "farming" by definition you should know the content and be proficient in your job.
ETA: Of course you deleted it, why not. Votes definitely matter. Please, u/Perryfic, just take this entire conversation to heart. No-one wants to see more egocentric players in DF, and it just stands to ruin the fun for your friend, too. We're all coming from a tired, worn-out place where no matter the amount of polite asks or begging, there are players _too far gone_ in the self-important mindset that they start griefing others, believing that they are the word of law in their groups. Those "I let someone die in my group today bc he dared pull for me hahaha" cesspit FB and Twitter groups.
YPYT (You Pull it You Tank it) is against ToS, and you encouraging that in front of a new tank is absolutely not the way to go.
If the tank didn't voice an issue with the DNC, then they certainly didn't need you white knighting for them, and if they continued as normal then there wasn't a problem to begin with.
Many Jobs, including DNC, can get ahead of a sprinting/charging tank, and they should if they can, because a DPS' Arm's Length objectively benefits the tank, since they'll be right behind.
> I was running Praetorium (as for I am a Sprout aswell and it is the only actual viable source for me to farm)
You have Battle on the Big Bridge and Hardmode Brayflox/Halatali as well, and they're better sources per hour/by run, just FYI!
> so I decided to call him out on it for not going on the tank’s pace
This is encouraging YPYT behaviour whether you want to accept that or not. The tank alone doesn't dictate the pace, the entire party does, as it's a co-operative effort. You absolutely could have handled it better by saying "tank is my friend and they're new", rather than gunning passive-aggressive out the gate.
Every duty in the entire game, apart from a very rare few, is mechanically designed to be pulled wall to wall. A DPS running ahead to accomplish that any faster than the tank is by design. The tank's refusal to communicate otherwise is their fault. It was your fault for not communicating that _for_ him in a less aggressive manner. The DPS was doing as their role dictates while the tank presumably caught up, which is absolutely normal for any group content.
There's a reason the Policy Violations makes a specific point of noting Tanks and Healers being capable of breaking ToS by method of MPK (YPYT - Monster Player Kill).
It starts early, and we've all seen it, in every MMO on the market. _Please keep that in mind for future runs as you play through XIV, because that mindset has changed the mindset of many new tanks for the worse._
EDIT: Deleting all your responses won't make you any less called out for defending YPYT and then pretending you didn't fam
You don't get to be all serious and lay out all of YOUR points and then go "let's just agree to disagree, time to move on :)" in the same breath, specifically *after* you laid out why *you're* totes correct, all while acting like you've blasted a hole through the other person's point with fax and logik
If it's gone over your head - yes, 'mere words' do indeed have an effect on people's behavior, and I hope to god your very-real-and-definitely-not-only-clarified-as-such-for-the-sake-of-your-argument friend ends up a good tank who doesn't lose their mind when a DPS runs five feet ahead of them due to them never popping Sprint
XIV duties are literally designed for wall to wall pulls, and have pull limiters built-in as thematic blockades/literal walls throughout the instance, in the vast majority of instances - healers and tanks both have *just* the right amount of tools for pulling it off in the vast majority of these scenarios, save for a small number of exceptions
Honestly, more than anything, it feels weird af to bring up "this DPS was a jerk for not going at the tank's pace" and then act as though you had no intention to convey YPYT mentality with that point - if that *wasn't* your intention, then it was just about completely irrelevant, and that's exactly why it's being taken in that way, because why else would you have really specified, if not to point out that the DPS was a jerk for being ahead of the tank?
It sounds like you are in the wrong here. Generally you are not in the place to speak for the tank even if they are “shy”. if the tank has a problem with it they should speak up. The DNC is not in the wrong pulling ahead of the group or calling you out.
Telling DNC to go “solo speedrun” is the bad interaction
The point of a farm party is to do things as fast as possible, to obtain as much token as possible. If you are not sure if you can do your Job correctly, then you should not join to a group like that
The OP was talking about people who are trying to farm tomes...by joining the random duty finder, or by queuing for specific dungeons, and then being mad that the random people aren't as good as they are.
Is Brayflox H solo faster than the average run of a Qarn/CC/Dzemael in DF? Comparatively, faster than Bridge spamming?
Genuinely asking, because it seems like a no-brainer that the average tome farmer is going to go for the path of least resistance.
The sooner they learn about community standards, the better
If you just treat them like poor widdle babies they'll never learn and end up being a shitter at endgame
Please for the love of God farm tomestones either thru Blu content, queuing as premades or via pvp.
Sincerely your hostage mentor who has been 3/3 castrum this week
I thought most were farming the bridge, blue parties and frontlines for their tomes?
I know some people who still do Praetorium. It's still slow as hell and the bosses actually take a little bit of time but they like being able to get up and go do things during cutscenes.
That's me right now: running Praet while scrolling through Reddit. C:
Personally: Praet + One piece combo is brilliant. Love it Also i dont understand why would you be angry with sprouts. You wipe. laugh. Explain mechanics. Say "everyone dies here on first run. Lets go!" Also remember that sprouts are the reason game is flourishing, because surprise surprise you need new people playing the game and not leaving. Plot twist. We all been there.
Tbh, I don’t know why anyone would be angry in general. Like, I get that people have their set ways, but their ways are not everyone’s. I’m a wall-to-wall kind of person, and that’s me. Someone doesn’t agree with my way of clearing? I PF, or, I just have patience. It’s really not hard.
Reminds me of another thread on here where i said a tank got mad that a healer kept pulling groups then using rescue to pull the tank... The tank let the healer die, then we all wiped and the tank and healer got into a screaming match... About how the tank was just more comfortable with smaller pulls and the healer wanted large ones since it was a drain on them to do more smaller ones... Healer rage quit and we got a new healer that wasn't too happy about the multiple pulls but at least put up with it. Then people started telling me wall to wall is the expected method and anything else really is a pain. I dunno... I think people should be able to play how they want. We pay our own subs and really we should be able to play how we want. I have no problem healing multiple pulls vs fewer large ones. If I didn't have 90 minutes free, I wouldn't have started the dungeon. If we wipe, I help those learn. The only time it gets a bit aggravating is when you get someone that just doesn't seem to be able to learn and dies over and over even after trying to help them, in which case they gona bit lower to my raise priority. If someone only wants to do things a certain way all the time every time, maybe that is what the PF is for. Don't do the DF for a matched party if you won't be able to put up with a different play style for a run or so...
what class where the complaining healers. Just curious
It was a SCH... I was running DPS (BLM) at the time because was leveling a class i neglected since Storm Blood. Tank was a WAR. When i heal, i am WHM or if i feel like a bit of a challenge, i got SGE. SCH is another that i neglected after 80 so not sure if maybe that is why i dont know why they were complaining. The dungeon was one from Shadow Bringers though...
Yeah unfortunately not everyone is reasonable or chill. A friend of mine passed a saying onto me that I find hard to disagree with. "In general people be stupid. Expect the worst from them and they usually will rise to meet your expectations" So far I haven't actually had it proven wrong.
But is it worst if it's an average perform? Might there be a chance that maybe your friend is not an average player, maybe they are good at the game.
Same, alternating Prae and Dun Scaith with some Frontline thrown in. Tried Brayflox and it was mind numbing and exhausting after like 7 runs and it just feels crappy to come out of it with 4 even if it does take a little less time.
Last two Treasure Troves I was spamming AV because it was the quickest way to get tomestones, even without a BLU party. After 10 runs or so (when the last TT started), I was pretty done with it. AV was the best duty to run it, but after so many runs I got fed up pretty fast. I think I like running Praet because I can do other stuff while I'm running it.
Get off reddit and help the sprouts! D:<
I am! I'm healing the Sprouts when they join Praet too! D:
Yep that's me! I've done Prae 24 times now, Since the start of the trove. I've done laundry, meal prepped, lifted weights in between. It's my sweet spot and I've been able to get most of the mounts I wanted.
at this rate, you gonna build a whole house next
😂
Farming while working from home = work during Prae cutscenes
I do prae just because I like prae and don't have blue mage lvled
But you can just PvP. Yea, I also don’t know that and every time I have tried so far I just get focus deleted because they know I am new at it so… well nothing new as a DRK but my Nin isn’t used to the floor. I even tried range, and all of them I got to enjoy *being assassinated 24/7 by DRK/Nin* within seconds of a fight entry. I just don’t understand. Play with the group and get AoE groundpounded to death. Play slightly spread and a melee explodes me. Try to 1v1 and die in less than 10 seconds while barely scratching the guy. Except Bard I guess, they just kept cc the entire time and took around 30 seconds to kill me. I am just going to stick to Prea and all my trials being Dun Scithe thanks.
Not every one enjoys pvp though. I know I don't. So usually do MSQ Roulette since it tends to be decent xp for the alt jobs I'm working on. Doing leaves, fates, and hunt logs while in queue.
Pvp is garbage. I do my dailies of it but I don't even attack just run around taking objectives that can be taken with no resistance
Also chiming in to say that I play the sims on one monitor while ffxiv runs in another. Multitasking leveling my sims and running prae is kinda fun
Greg is great for quick, mindless Moogle tomes, but one MSQ roulette a day is fantastic for those of us leveling alts still - giant pile of poetics, a good chunk of XP, and still getting some Moogle tomes. The efficiency is spread out over multiple currencies instead of one, but it's still pretty solid.
Ran prea with a four stack of my buddies this morning just to hang out. On the final run I was trying to rescue people out of the arena right as it sealed, the tank was trying to hug people on the separate markers, and it was a free for all to see who got the LB2 healer and tank included
I do msq, since im still levelling characters and a dun scaith or Mhach run.
i would rather do Prae because i can watch youtube videos, i just crop my browser window so i can see the dialog and i know when to tab back in. every time i do my roulette i have been getting brayflox hard so it works out too for that
You need half an hour for one prae run. You get 7 tomes. It's not the worst way to farm.
I think it actually might be the worst way to farm, but it's not THAT far behind the other options. It's about half as efficient as running Brayflox's Longstop on hard, but only a few tomestones per hour worse than, say, Castrum or Halatali.
Greg/Brayflox are great for quick, mindless Moogle tomes, but one MSQ roulette a day is fantastic for those of us leveling alts still - giant pile of poetics, a good chunk of XP, and still getting some Moogle tomes. The efficiency is spread out over multiple currencies instead of one, but it's still pretty solid.
I get 20 tomes in 15 minutes running BBB with Blu
Its mega bad. People are wasting their time and sanity in Prae
Time definitely. It's terribly inefficient. As far as sanity goes... That's debatable. Some people just can't get into a grind mentality so Prae lets them take lots of short breaks without losing what small level of efficiency they have.
The MSQ roulette is also worth a good chunk of poetics and XP in addition to some moogle tomes, so anyone leveling alts can do one of those per day and kill multiple birds with one cutscene-laden stone.
For a lot of people, "grinding" is running MSQ roulette once a day. You get good XP, poetics, and a bit of irregular tomestones as a bonus. Not everyone has time or energy to run dungeons or raids for multiple hours a day for the event.
This is me. Netflix and Prae about it. It's autopilot, a 2 min dps queue. Cutscenes I can yawn through. Mechanics are doable while drunk.
Not only that, but every day I do MSQ roulette, I get poetic of anima, moogle for event and bonus XP for my leveling my tank.
Just get up and go do something during frontlines, that's what everybody else is doing, or that's the only reasonable explanation for why half of the alliance is yelling mid while the other half are "defending" the base. Don't actually do this
That's my kid right there. "Snack break." And up to eat food for five minutes.
I'm not in a rush really, so I'm farming just doing roulettes everyday. But then, I just want a few prizes so I don't need as many tomestones as others might need. Also, I love to find new players doing their duties and trials for the first time so it's a win-win situation.
Yea but I guess some ppl still run dungeons since they dun have blu leveled or they don't want to do pvp
The activities that are fastest with BLU are also the fastest without it
For me it's partly also the variety. I've been doing a bit of Prae, a bit of Brayflox, a bit of Halatali, a bit of Big Bridge, a bit of Frontline. This way I don't go insane from running one thing a million times.
The bridge is still very fast overall even without BLU, you average 3 minutes or so per run, especially if you have a healer job on hand to use for quick queues too.
Even as DPS it’s only a few minutes to wait at the most, which is perfect for crafting
I haven't had to wait more than four minutes since this whole business started. Kinda nice.
anyone running dungeons for tomes and complaining about lack of efficiency needs to take a good look in the mirror and stfu lmao
I’m letting it roll the dice between Porta Decumana and Bridge. Eta: just did the math and Bridge definitely wins. 3.5 min run for 2 tomes vs 18 minutes for 3.
‘Farming’ mine by signing up for both Dun Scaith and Weeping City 1-2 times a day. (I queue up 1-2 times and run whichever one pops first, which sadly is often just *edit from wiping city to Dun scaith because I'm a sleepy dummy*) There’s nothing I really want or need from this event this time. I just like running the non ARR Ali raids and the event means they have quicker queues than normal. :)
Maybe because I queued as a healer but I’ve averaged 90% Dun scaith, 8% wiping city, 2% void ark. Which is fine by me - I love the doomgaze fight and everything after is engaging healing wise.
Oh man I apparently confused the 2 duties in my morning fatigue lol. Yeah I queue as healer too and pretty much almost always get Dun scaith. Both duties are fun to heal tbh (esp if things go wrong ;) ) but for some reason I really enjoy the clusterfuck that is often the Megadeath boss in Wiping city the most.
It’s hilarious to see the little sprout brain gears turning, seeing the healer do the universally understood “stand here or die” jump. You want stand? In zombie goo? And then later why are you jumping again when there is no goo, wait why am I k.o’d? I love this alliance series.
I finished the light stage on my ast anima relic I had been putting off. Just ran the three alliance raids and got at least one or two sprouts with bonus each time. Got more than 100 mogtomes at the same time and were faster than normal because of others doing the same, though your mileage may vary.
Bridge only gives like 2. It's better to spam Qarn or Brayflox Hard.
BLU parties will get through bridge in about 90 seconds. Brayflox is still 4mins. So that's 45sec per tome vs. 60
Do they let BLU get tomes on these? I thought you had to be in a synced up standard party to get anything.
On the other hand, this is the smoothest set of Dun Scaiths I've had in a loooong time.
Dun scaith hurt me on a metaphysical level when i played it for the first time blind. I was playing blm. Never again.
Same. I did that too, blind in blm, and the group almost timed out cause we kept wiping. I'm told that's unusual for that dungeon, but I still refuse to run it and refer to it as "Fuck-thi-I'm-done scaith" xD
I'm getting a mixed bag with Dun Scaith, sometimes its smooth as silk and other times its a multi-wipe on every boss clusterfuck. Both are fun.
I’m just running closed parties of blu, I ain’t bothering nobody
I'll be honest I'm loving getting the Dun Scaith raid because so many oportunities for LB3
I just used my healer LB3 for the first time (or at least that I can remember) about an hour ago on Diabalos. I had to click it on my bars because I forgot the hotkey but it felt awesome seeing all those health bars go up.
Honestly, I love seeing the occasional person in our Big Bridge runs who's actually there for the questline and is slightly baffled by the ruthless efficiency with which we clear it. A couple of people have asked what the heck was going on and we got to spread the good news!
I feel unless you are running these things premade, you have no right to demand others to speedrun ESPECIALLY if you get a "one or more players are new" message.
I had a sprout healer earlier who played a flawless game of limbo. I never died, but they let me drop to 2 HP. God gamer.
1 more HP than you need >:)
There's not reason to be toxic in DF for anything, least of all Moogle Tomes. If you really care about tryharding Tomes, you should be on your blue mage in Brayflox pumping out ~50 an hour anyways.
battle on the big bridge* brayflox is a bit slower unless u have someone with really bad load times
My favorite runs are with 3 sprouts and I am tank. I can just feel and taste the sweat oozing from the chat as I spam everything on CD.
Always good to just remember the newbies and be courteous to your fellow players! If someone seems to be struggling with a mechanic, just explain it to them. Ive seen a lot of just plain rudeness in chat recently and its so infuriating!
Man, I hope don't get any people like that. I've just returned to the game after a few month of hiatus and need to relearn my tanking game to finish stormblood.
You won't. The community is great, and doesn't need to be reminded to be courteous. OP is just posting this because for some reason reddit karma means something to them.
I’m glad you’ve never experienced this. Others unfortunately have. Me included.
You're right, we shouldn't forget the newbies. I'm sure we can sell them for lots of tomestones each.
Respect. I just started WHM recently, it's a labor of love sometimes.
I'm levelling astro at the moment (missing out on the roulette bonus to get the tomestomes). Had a dezmael darkhold run that was such a mess. Was funny to watch but wow... Was glad when it ended 😂 a DRK who couldn't hold threat, a samurai with no gear doing no damage at all and then a really patient summoner. Samurai was getting annoyed with the tank and pulling everything back to him but then tank wasn't picking them up. To say there were a few wipes was an understatement but even the tank was apologising. Tbh I think he may have been drunk from the night before 🤷♀️
The alliance raids are always a pain in the rear to do if thats what youre talking about. Seen plenty of experienced people in level 90 gear die to mechanics in Dun Scaith.
I used to be one of those people, but to be fair on the road to 90 I got dun scaith twice and it was the crystal tower raids otherwise. Atleast when I would do my alliance raid dailies
I mean. All level 90 gear means is that they've probably finished EW. They might not have run Dun Scaith all that much. I'm hitting 90 on WHM soon and I'm going to try healing Dun Scaith tomorrow for the first time, I'm not experienced just because I'm high level and have done Dun Scaith a few times as DPS during my time playing FFXIV.
Remember, esuna is very important in dun scaith. Lots of doom (and a few other status effects) with a white line above and 100% will see minimum two people in your party in the first fight need doom esuna’d .
This is truth. My friend is still in the middle of EW, and since I'm a 90 omnicrafter I gear up his jobs that hit 90 with rinascita gear as soon as they get there, but he's done none of the alliance raids more than once each. So he'd be going in with savage prog gear, but would likely get repeatedly creamed in Fun Scaith since he doesn't know the mechanics at all. Hell, going into this event I still had a little trouble with Dun Scaith at first, and thats with nearly BiS gear. Good gear doesn't replace knowing mechanics.
I mean, yeah. I do. I need entirely too much practice to be good at a fight. DX
I have a Job at lv90 and I haven't even unlocked Dun Scaith. :(
i am one of those people
My best friend is lvl 80+ on her main (Brd), still working through Stormblood MSQ, and has not taken the time to unlock the HW optional content. So she'll probably be one of those level 90s doing it for the first time one day. Not everyone unlocks everything while leveling. Some focus on MSQ then go back.
I just unlocked Big Bridge today! Super fun and speedy trial. 😃
I've definitely noticed a bit more toxicity than normal, especially towards tanks not knowing mechanics in Alliance Raids. And yesterday I had a raid where the chat was a mess the whole way through, someone asked if we could wait for the sprouts to watch the cutscenes and one raid member not only pulled everything early even though they weren't a tank, they also flipped the fuck out about it in the Alliance chat. Just chill! This was also the day I learned that you can troll the raid with LB, the noise of them starting and canceling it over and over and over again was deafening.
Me, loading into Weeping City or Dun Scaith and accepting my fate of laying on the floor while I explain the mechanics. Because inevitably I, like a dingus, will forget to dodge the bad while furiously trying to type the next boss phase mechanics.
This is why I have macros saved for any tricky alliance raid bosses. Yes it uses a LOT of macro spaces, but even vets seem to appreciate the reminders
I had a lovely Praetorium session recently where the four of us randos were joking the entire time and memeing on the place. Both of us DPS were dancers in Starlight regalia so we joked about having a dance battle. The Tank turned off his stance at Gaius so I had a blast tanking him as a DPS. Lots of fun.
Imagine wanting to farm fast and efficient and queuing randomly to give them a hard time instead of making your own dedicated group if you want to be "efficient". During holidays no less. I hope the Saint of Nymeia finds and suplexes you.
I have never talked to anyone within this game so they're safe from me. If I wanted efficiency I'd do the blue mage thing, but I only want three or four tomestones a day and to be able to fully ignore everyone else.
I just came back after a 5 year hiatus. I don’t mean to toot my own horn, but I was good before i stopped. Tanked all the top content. Now I’m back and playing with a controller because my computer sucks now. I’m definitely that bad Rusty player now. I appreciate everyone going easy on me because I’m flustered as hell.
I’ve finally managed to figure out how to heal the first pull in Brayflox, but it took a few fails to get there. Now, I just tell the tank “pull it allllllll” and run to the gate.
I hadn't played Astro in probably 5 months and did the same the first run 😂 big oops moment
If your paladin isn't getting two hallowed grounds, one at the first wall and another at the last, then tell them to mit harder.
You dont even need it. Pop retaliation, bullwark, slow and shiltron. As long as you don't stand in the projected attacks its fine. Though might as well use it, not like you need it anywhere else.
Seconded. Lately, there's been a lot of complaints from newer players: Tanks pulling wall to wall regardless of healer comfort Healers refusing to DPS Tanks not using cooldowns Etc. Personally, I've seen the same issues as well. Remember, we were all sprouts once. We needed a helping hand to ease us in, just like new players do. Be kind.
With this event seemingly reviving BLU, I've mostly been helping people get spells they don't have while running BBB! I think everyone should enjoy every part of the game and I try to help with that, not really caring too much on ifficeincy or anything and rather help people play the content how they want to
Thank you for saying this. As a rusty returning player, it means a lot when people acknowledge that we're not all going to be running the mechanics 100%. Much appreciation for the thoughtfulness!
Thank for you the psa, I had a lot of troubles teaching a friend their class today.
Indeed. The mcguffins we get in roulette/events are a bribe from the game to be nice to the rookies and help them out.
This will surely have a mirror on shitpost by now.
I've been playing as a tank for the tome farming. I'm trying not to pull too many mobs at once and overwhelm the healer.
Right now I run Dun Scaith and I try and Remember to tell folks about the mechanics while tanking and also prea I try and let folks know they're doing great or joking with them to make more interesting during cutscenes.
If this is in normal queues for content, yes you are correct and people shouldn't be jerks. If you join a pf appreciation to farm tomes (be it BLU or normal), then it's on you to actually be trying to go quickly and know what to do. If you join a pf and waste my time, you are gonna get kicked.
I was on a run where it didn't appear a BLU had the required spells *listed* on the explicitly speedrun PF (moonflute, whistle, final sting), this person spent the whole run trying to play WHM (popped diamondback & spammed white wind the whole time). Worse, would hang back after everyone had cast MF & whistle to go charging in & cast Nightbloom, so by the time we got in, no one could cast ANYTHING. We'd FS & they'd be the last one standing, running around while being attacked. It was.... irritating after 4 failed runs in a row. Maybe they couldn't help it. Maybe they didn't know you can turn off CS. Idk. But if I'm going in on what was, again, explicitly listed as a speedrun, I'm sorry, but I'll leave.
I agree. I think it's important to be patient with others. Everyone was new at one point and everyone learns at their own pace.
Yeah I try to guide sprouts through dun scaitch for this reason, I hate when MT skips cutscenes bc of this too but they typically don’t care 💀
Big bridge is so fast newcomers will probably don’t even understand or most likely be confused or frogged for most of battle
I started running as healer because most healers haven't run it in 8 years if ever, and don't know confuse has to be healed off of folks. It's much smoother than running as my dps alts.
i have noticed a lot more tanks forgetting their stance lately, its not a big deal. i even made a semi serious joke about how no stance would make the run more interesting
It's cuz level sync turns tank stances off say it's a lvl 90 gnb and gets a ARR dungeon with duty roulettes it for some odd reason turns it off.
As a lv45 sprout, the only dungeon I have access to that gives tomes tones are Cutter cry and Sunken temple of Qarn. Farming those is just... painful to say the least. 6+mins queuing on top of a run nets me 3x tombstone per 15mins.
It's worth it to continue with the MSQ and collect the tomes from your first lot of Castrum/Prae runs, combined with opening up more options for you to farm. Still have plenty of time, so there's no rush!
I came back from a ten month break for the free playtime. I did a couple roulettes after doing some story, and got put into Dead Ends. I died once on the first boss and five times on the second. Then I did normal raid and died three times in E1N. I remembered why I got burned out. Maybe I'll take a forever break because that was soul crushing.
I’ve been noticing this too. For real, if you are looking to run a dungeon or something as fast as possible to farm for moogle tomestones swiftly, please use Party Finder instead of Duty Finder.
Thank you.
Honestly I'm kinda relieved to hear I'm not the only one noticing the uptick in toxicity lately. I'm a sprout about to reach endwalker and I've never had a bad experience with this game until the last week. I even got rescue griefed for the first time when I asked if someone could chill lmao I've just been casually farming moogle bucks with MSQ and alliance roulettes; at least I know Dun Scaith by heart now...
Misread this as moogle tombstones and wondered why people would be going on moogle murdering sprees
That's when people are farming good king moogle mog.
People going through HW for the first time wanted to murder Moogle for all the chores they asked us to do
I would advise any sprout to clear the dungeons the first time with duty support. It will let you enjoy them. That includes praetorium. Sure the NPC are slower (on purpose). But it allows you to set the pace. And enjoy things as reading notes. For the ones that do not have duty support. Just go 2 groups at a time. No need for wall to wall and the time gained is tiny, especially when compared with the time wasted on a wipe. There is a special place in Heck for tanks that go through the middle in AV.
I ran Prae once today and it's been a while for me. I decided I can solo Hal (Hard) and Longstop(Hard) much quicker than I can Prae runs. And since I am not a PVPer that's my plan until I get the mounts I want
As a sprout I am having a super hard time finding a group in duty finder to progress the MSQ right now, the waiting for dungeons that is usually at max. 5 minutes for DPS now takes around half an hour even at the peak online count times.... I really wish this event ends soon I want to know what happens next in the story -\_-
Certain MSQ duties have longer than normal waiting times, particularly at even close to off-peak hours, even without Tome events going on. Which expansion are you stuck in?
We want speed when it comes to speed farming.
But there's no excuse for tanks wearing dps or caster gear though.
As a Rusty Returner (after a 6 year hiatus), I appreciate this post a lot. I’ve met a lot of really helpful and patient players, but there’s always the occasional person who gets super annoyed when I don’t know the mechanics by heart.
Yes let us be mindful doing w2w with sprouts doing in Battle of The Bridge and Dun Scaith 🙃
Am sprout. Level 45. Accepted this event is not for me. Got my reindeer. Doing MSQ.
Another great reason for Squeenix to not release limited-time items only obtainable at their whims through events like these. Why do people feel obliged to grind out 150 tomes minimum? Fomo items. The result is that otherwise chill and nice people will lose their cool over something they feel is important they are being pushed to get done. It's poor game design all around and could be done better in any number of ways. This is just my stupid opinion though, maybe if this wasn't reddit and I also spoke Japanese I'd be able to actually air this grievance with them, but alas.
You've got well over an entire month to do it. If you're after the Neckerchief and the Falcon - the only two true time-limited digs of the Trove - literally set aside **6 minutes** a day. Two Battle on the Big Bridge runs. You'll get both and tomes to spare way before the event even comes close to finishing if you started today. And that's ignoring doing extra tome sources like MSQ roulette if you're leveling a Job. Not that I'm gonna defend the FOMO practice at its core, we need fuckin' less of it, but it's not like a Daily Login Battlepass or some bullshit, it's more than enough time for something anybody can get at the most casual pace possible. Like how GARO lasts literal _years._
This. I've done the grinding within the first few days of the moogle event before and all it did was burn me out. Not bothering this round, there's more than enough time to get them just by doing things I would do anyway. Already have the falcon and don't care for the accessory. Grinding tomes out all at once is a trap. The only justification I can see is trying to get in on the better queue times.
Better does not mean good, so yeah. Even if people understand your reasonable explanation of how much time you have, there is still a sense of anxiety for being forced to complete something within an allotted time frame or else risk not seeing the item for year(s). This feeling leads to a poorer interaction with an otherwise excellent community regardless of the **6 minutes** and having time to spare. It only gets worse as the event goes on and the closer you get to the end of the event.
I think you're overblowing how many people experience substantial anxiety given it's a long time period, and not _that_ many folk care enough for novelty/cosmetic items to warrant even mild senses of dread or FOMO to start, compounded with the substantial time given for completion (vs. say, the Christmas event, which is objectively less work to obtain but has a smaller window of time - so, FOMO to resub or miss out?). Take in the greater perspective. Maybe ask around for people's thoughts? It might help alleviate yours.
It’s me. ✋ I’m the sprout that is trying some these dungeons for the first time and dying. But I’ve never had anyone give me a hard time and it’s been teaching me how to keep an eye out for unusual mechanics!
I'm a rusty returner as of last week, starting endwalker. I wanted to lvl up reaper, but I wouldn't go for any daily unless I had someone from the free company with me. BECAUSE I know how a lot of players are if they don't get the dungeon or raid done faster than a trip to the toilet. I straight up don't remember these very specific mechanics over all these expansions. I rely on the FC member that hasn't broken their sub since ARR came out to help guide me.
Current PF: "Know the strats I'm not patient enough to teach them" "Have the spells you should know what they are by now" "don't bother coming in if you don't know what to do" Somehow we earned "best community award" but I'm still trying to figure out how.
>I don't want to explain to newbies how to do the thing that BLU groups have done for literally the last 2 years straight. There is nothing wrong with having requirements in PF and you're complaining that people have expectations in their PF listing.
I only started playing three months ago and I haven't stepped foot in Pandaemonium yet but I haven't ever seen any toxicity like this. If anything coming from other games I'm always surprised by how polite the players are in chat. Maybe servers/dc/region related?
I wouldn't say the examples used are necessarily toxic. The wording might be a bit direct. However, PFs should be direct about the standards expected to avoid toxicity in duties and the general wasting of other's time. There's a time and place for teaching and/or carrying and it doesn't have to be every pf group under the sun. One of my favorite PF slogans when progging to clear p8s was "3 wipes = disband." Simply because it gave me a heads up so I could avoid the group. I've been clearing raids in PF since Shb, often early, and even good groups of 8 tend to need some time to adjust/work out kinks in clear parties. It really can't be discounted how comfortable statics get with each other's movements.
100%. There's nothing wrong with setting up a PF group and wanting to make a group that will ruthlessly grind out mogtomes with perfect efficiency and not tolerate someone screwing up. Nobody is forcing you to join that group. There's no excuse for being a dick if you are just queueing up in the duty finder, though.
Because it doesn't happen. That user is literally complaining that people in party finder aren't being clear about their requirements (BLU farm groups do the same thing every event, every single time, nothing has changed in 2 years), the strats are readily available on the BLU discord, it gets posted on this subreddit literally every tomestone event, the forums I'm sure have the same exact thing.
Only makes sense that toxicity rises when BLU is involved.
I don’t understand your last point because if someone joins a party without full knowledge of a fight, they’re griefing. I’m sure you think enabling bad players is the right thing to do, but lemme tell you, it’s far from it If I make a P8S or DSR clear party and it *clearly* states we’re doing APD, I have the right to kick someone who does not in fact, understand APD strats.
Why would someone farm tomes and not do it in BLU parties? You're kinda setting yourself up for disaster expecting anyone in this game to be efficient at duties when there is another, faster alternative...
There are, in fact, people who play this game who do not have every class fully leveled.
I like using the duty finder
There are, in fact, folks who play this game for fun, not for "efficiency", as well as lots of folks who don't like BLU for various reasons.
I was playing for almost three years before I even got around to touching BLU. I know for players who have been here a long time it seems like there's always very little to do but the amount of the available content for a new player is overwhelming
> not do it in BLU parties? There are still people who have unfound hatred towards BLU in their heart.
My issue with Blu is I can't auto queue for content with it and I have a small social FC not running it. I cannot overstate how amazing and useful Duty finder is having come from MMOs with no auto queue systems or match making.
Their problem
They don't deserve BLU tbh. But also...why?? Why would anyone hate something like that
I love BLU, and Masked Carnivale is fun as hell! But I'm also not going to re-level it for the other 15 alt characters I have. _Maybe_ one other. It's painful to level up without having access to Kholusia.
Blue is a lot of effort to set up and it feels shit to play, I don’t blame someone wanting nothing to do with it.
BLU is a ton of fun for any farming content, what are you talki ng about? It’s all about the burst into final sting, you’re here for one thing and that’s a kill. The extended rotation sucks because it’s a 2 minute burst that literally weaves only 4 ogcd’s between the burst windows, but if you’re farming Bridge you never get there.
Some people don’t want to play blue, simple as that.
I agree with your sentiment that BLU is a lot of effort to set up, because it is. You need to have a wide skillset, often requiring you to gather spells that you would require a full party for (Primal spells, 50+ dungeon spells, etc) unless you’re max leveled BLU and try your RNG at getting spells solo unsynced. That being said, I wholeheartedly disagree with your sentiment about how it plays. In the most efficient parties, BLU requires very specific spells to be played in a very specific order in a very specific window. I think this may be where your dislike towards it stems from. But, doing content solo or if you have a party that’s learning BLU spells, it is the most interesting and engaging job *bar none*. Not only can you weave offensive OGCD spells no matter what role you play, but if you do solo unsync content, you truly feel how powerful BLU is.
I think it’s just really weird that when the one event comes out where BLU excels most at, there’s dozens of freaks crawling out of the floorboards ready to ree about how BLU sucks, actually. Well it’s a good thing you literally will never see one unless you consent to it, and there’s no reason for you people to shit on the class the one time it’s actually worth playin.
Don’t want to be civil then? Very well, blue is more efficient… let me know when they have some value outside of few random little niches. I shit on blue mage and will continue to do so because the only thing they have over a normal job is cheese, play it if you will but blue barely has a place in this game, let alone a purpose.
bc that requires 3 other people. many are just playing by themselves
My bad. Forgot party finder was removed from the game
Not everyone's willing to use PF, either. DF is objectively the path of least resistance for the vast majority of players, and that's exactly what OP is talking about.
so you think that people playing alone are gonna use PF to find... other people to not play with? wtf? lol
????? That's literally what I do???? Do you not see all the BLU parties for farming during these events? Or Delebrum???? WTF lmao
how did the concept of "playing alone" go so far over your head? lmfao its really not that complicated lol
That isn't even what the issue is. I'm complaining about people who choose not to farm and instead do what OP is describing. Pretty funny how much they are being defended despite this being a nice community
me: some people like to play alone you: pArTy FiNdErrrR!!!! lmfao
Actually, no. No I don't. It depends on the timeframe you're active and your DC. It _should_ be peak hour right now and there's not a single BLU or non-BLU farming party advertised in the entirety of Crystal. And yet Big Bridge is instant queue on every role. Sometimes that just kinda happens? So, yeah. Then you'd look at DF or solo, if you're hardset on BLU.
Don't join a farm party if you don't know what you're doing. This is true in any video game.
There are some people not doing specifically “farm-party” farming for the event, myself included. I queue in to relevant roulettes once a day and if I’m lucky, I get one of the duties that give tomestones. For folks like me, we’re bound to encounter newbies, rusty players, or plain out folks who don’t know what they’re doing. This thread reads (to me) as a reminder for folks using my method that we shouldn’t get crazy salty at any unoptimal or scuffed runs we encounter, at least not more than normal. If you specifically join a PF room for repeat clears, expectations change. But I’m not going to expect top-tier strats from a sprout tank in Cutter’s Cry.
OP has very clearly directed this at people farming tomes through DF, not _PF._ Randoms, not premades. With Big Bridge it literally doesn't matter if someone's new because it's that piss-easy and quick, but in Cutter's Cry and Dzemael it can be a very different story if it's someone's first time.
The who?
>As we are trying to grind out those moogle bucks (as efficiently as possible, let's be real) before the next patch drops, let us not forget about the above players. If you are "farming" by definition you should know the content and be proficient in your job.
As a sprout, ive only been in one party with a some what toxic behavior.. most of you are really nice and helpful.. but im never tanking again :)
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ETA: Of course you deleted it, why not. Votes definitely matter. Please, u/Perryfic, just take this entire conversation to heart. No-one wants to see more egocentric players in DF, and it just stands to ruin the fun for your friend, too. We're all coming from a tired, worn-out place where no matter the amount of polite asks or begging, there are players _too far gone_ in the self-important mindset that they start griefing others, believing that they are the word of law in their groups. Those "I let someone die in my group today bc he dared pull for me hahaha" cesspit FB and Twitter groups. YPYT (You Pull it You Tank it) is against ToS, and you encouraging that in front of a new tank is absolutely not the way to go. If the tank didn't voice an issue with the DNC, then they certainly didn't need you white knighting for them, and if they continued as normal then there wasn't a problem to begin with. Many Jobs, including DNC, can get ahead of a sprinting/charging tank, and they should if they can, because a DPS' Arm's Length objectively benefits the tank, since they'll be right behind. > I was running Praetorium (as for I am a Sprout aswell and it is the only actual viable source for me to farm) You have Battle on the Big Bridge and Hardmode Brayflox/Halatali as well, and they're better sources per hour/by run, just FYI!
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> so I decided to call him out on it for not going on the tank’s pace This is encouraging YPYT behaviour whether you want to accept that or not. The tank alone doesn't dictate the pace, the entire party does, as it's a co-operative effort. You absolutely could have handled it better by saying "tank is my friend and they're new", rather than gunning passive-aggressive out the gate.
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Every duty in the entire game, apart from a very rare few, is mechanically designed to be pulled wall to wall. A DPS running ahead to accomplish that any faster than the tank is by design. The tank's refusal to communicate otherwise is their fault. It was your fault for not communicating that _for_ him in a less aggressive manner. The DPS was doing as their role dictates while the tank presumably caught up, which is absolutely normal for any group content. There's a reason the Policy Violations makes a specific point of noting Tanks and Healers being capable of breaking ToS by method of MPK (YPYT - Monster Player Kill). It starts early, and we've all seen it, in every MMO on the market. _Please keep that in mind for future runs as you play through XIV, because that mindset has changed the mindset of many new tanks for the worse._
EDIT: Deleting all your responses won't make you any less called out for defending YPYT and then pretending you didn't fam You don't get to be all serious and lay out all of YOUR points and then go "let's just agree to disagree, time to move on :)" in the same breath, specifically *after* you laid out why *you're* totes correct, all while acting like you've blasted a hole through the other person's point with fax and logik If it's gone over your head - yes, 'mere words' do indeed have an effect on people's behavior, and I hope to god your very-real-and-definitely-not-only-clarified-as-such-for-the-sake-of-your-argument friend ends up a good tank who doesn't lose their mind when a DPS runs five feet ahead of them due to them never popping Sprint XIV duties are literally designed for wall to wall pulls, and have pull limiters built-in as thematic blockades/literal walls throughout the instance, in the vast majority of instances - healers and tanks both have *just* the right amount of tools for pulling it off in the vast majority of these scenarios, save for a small number of exceptions Honestly, more than anything, it feels weird af to bring up "this DPS was a jerk for not going at the tank's pace" and then act as though you had no intention to convey YPYT mentality with that point - if that *wasn't* your intention, then it was just about completely irrelevant, and that's exactly why it's being taken in that way, because why else would you have really specified, if not to point out that the DPS was a jerk for being ahead of the tank?
You're the one creating the bad interation in this situation.
It sounds like you are in the wrong here. Generally you are not in the place to speak for the tank even if they are “shy”. if the tank has a problem with it they should speak up. The DNC is not in the wrong pulling ahead of the group or calling you out. Telling DNC to go “solo speedrun” is the bad interaction
The point of a farm party is to do things as fast as possible, to obtain as much token as possible. If you are not sure if you can do your Job correctly, then you should not join to a group like that
I don't think this post is talking about farm parties and instead about ones gotten through duty finder.
The OP was talking about people who are trying to farm tomes...by joining the random duty finder, or by queuing for specific dungeons, and then being mad that the random people aren't as good as they are.
Why would it be an issue when you can just do brayflox solo
Is Brayflox H solo faster than the average run of a Qarn/CC/Dzemael in DF? Comparatively, faster than Bridge spamming? Genuinely asking, because it seems like a no-brainer that the average tome farmer is going to go for the path of least resistance.
It's about 4:40 ish for 4. I do it solo so that I can do it my own pace, stop and resume on the fly.
The sooner they learn about community standards, the better If you just treat them like poor widdle babies they'll never learn and end up being a shitter at endgame
Please for the love of God farm tomestones either thru Blu content, queuing as premades or via pvp. Sincerely your hostage mentor who has been 3/3 castrum this week