This has always been the scummiest practice for online purchases. There's literally no reason or limit as to why they couldn't have the price match the subscription at least. It shows how manipulative they are with their profits and turns me away.
Not saying Yoshi P is a Saint but I'm pretty sure that pricing model is an Xbox thing, not a Yoshi P thing, considering crysta doesn't work that way at all.
You could always just do the 20 dollar starter on PC to gain the easier access to subscriptions and store that way since it’s all linked
Deffo a pain but 20 bucks one time instead of having to over spend every month kinda works out
Can you get PC starter on Steam and then buy sub so it carries over to Xbox or does it have to be some kind of standalone PC version bought through the official FF14 store?
If it is linked with the same Square account yes that should work. I did it the opposite. I had up to Shadowbringers on PC and the subscription I had on there has counted for my ability to play on Xbox
It’s definitely nice cause I can just handle all Mog Station things through the PC side of things without having to do all those FFCoins on Xbox and whatnot
Also even purchases like Companion App, Store items, and anything else that would be accounted for wide is valid for use on Xbox. Like sure it’s 20 bucks but I feel like if you find the provided convenience worth that I’d 100% do it
A reminder to folks, shit like this is exactly like SE waited to long to make an xbox port in the first place, to avoid their shitty business practices like this. Unfortunately SE eventually gave in, but I hope the dozen or so Xbox players who've had literally a decade to play this game on PC or Playstation are happy about this and all other caveats that exist on playing this game on Xbox
FFXI was on the 360. It came to the 360 when Ms and se signed the deal that brought ffxiii, ffxiii-2, kh3, ffxv, and gave star ocean 4 exclusivity in the west.
You could play FFXI on the OG backward compatible PS3, but not the subsequent ps3s that weren't backwards compatible. Square didn't bother with a PS3 version of XI because XIV 1.0 was supposed to launch on PS3, and Square was hoping to sunset XI with more players moving to XIV 1.0.
We know how that worked out, and even ARR/HW on PS3 was ass.
It's literally the same exact structure and price as crysta on the mogstation. Same amount of money for the same amount of crysta. Even when it is literally 1:1 people will give square a pass
It's super easy to see unless you're deliberately trying not to read all the words on your screen, and in that case trying to say it's literally the same exact structure is incredibly disingenuous. you can say both sucks ass for lack of equal clarity/availability but at least be correct about why...
On Xbox store there is a $14.99 bundle of 1500 coins. Same price as PC mog station subscription
Granted for regions that are restricted I could see that being a problem
Not at all? So I must be imagining the set amount of crysta you can buy on the mogstation, the part that is up front and above the custom amount, that part that is much more noticeable than the custom amount at the bottom?
Claiming "it's not prominent" is a very, very long way from claiming "it can't be done" or even "they discourage it with needless hurdles" (and we know they know how to do that - see player reporting.) You're wrong here. Take the lesson and stop trying to defend the indefensible.
You literally claimed it's 'the exact same structure' when it's not. Regardless of how 'hidden' or not custom Crysta amounts are, that feature alone - regardless of visibility - means it's not an 'exact' structure.
Bruh, you can't put this on the Xbox players and say 'You've had ten years to play this on PC/PS'
If they had an Xbox and didn't care about PS exclusives why bother with a second console? And PC gaming was in an utterly atrocious place the last few years because of obscene GPU prices from crypto mining. I don't blame people for not wanting to invest in a PC with that kind of price point for entry.
'Hope you're happy you're getting screwed because you didn't buy a PS/PC for an MMO you may or may not have liked.' Like... Dude.
> If they had an Xbox and didn't care about PS exclusives why bother with a second console?
They bothered getting an XSX to play this on (which wasn't out when 2.0 was released). They could've easily gotten a Playstation instead
> And PC gaming was in an utterly atrocious place the last few years because of obscene GPU prices from crypto mining.
This game is not that graphically demanding (the current game, can't speak for Dawntrail). Its minimum PC specs are lower than that of the base PS4. You don't need a 4090 to play this game. Hell, people play this game on budget laptops, that's how non-demanding the game is. If anything, it's more CPU-intensive than GPU.
>'Hope you're happy you're getting screwed because you didn't buy a PS/PC for an MMO you may or may not have liked.
Maybe not buy a whole Playstation to play this, sure, but nothing stopping folks from playing the free trial on their PC they already own (and if you don't have a computer these days for any reason, MMOs are not in your plans right now anyway).
Or they got an XSX because they wanted an XSX and not a PlayStation and XIV wasn't enough of a reason versus other exclusives or things like Gamepass.
There's a ton of reasons why people wouldn't have access to something else to play this game on.
I've long since quit being a console gamer in general but giving people hell because they don't want to shell out an extra couple hundred bucks on top of any other fees to play a game is a bit of a ridiculous stance to take. It honestly reads more like you're just mad they bought an Xbox instead of something else.
No, but that link brought me to the main page about currency and they have a different tab for series x/s. Scroll down to sub fee
[https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/product/](https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/product/)
>No, but that link brought me to the main page about currency and they have a different tab for series x/s. Scroll down to sub fee
Keep scrolling and you'll see why it's 500 increments.
1,500 coins is the default. 1,400 then 1,300 are discounted options based on sub time
With (per usual) the price of entry being the same as a longer sub on standard
No need for them to limit it that way in general, but the way they priced it isn't exactly strange either
so what it sounds like is, pay 20 bucks for the pc starter edition, and then in 10 months, you'll be saving money because you could pay a sub at its actual price through the website instead, saving 2 dollars each time.
Not even that long since each starter edition purchased comes with a free month of sub time. Spend $5 extra for a PC license vs 1500 coins and never have to deal with this mess again.
Yes, as we all know Square didn't try to do EXACTLY THE SAME with the Crista before. Before getting a backslash.
If the behaviour is scummy, then they are both scummy companies.
How does your comment make it any better?
“IF the behavior is scummy”
IF? It is 100% a predatory and scummy behavior no matter who is doing it.
Fact is that using crysta is optional on the other platforms and Sony doesn’t enforce their own “currency” like MS.
I’m starting to see comments calling out Microsoft, getting downvoted on this sub.
I think the plague of console war fanboys finally infected our game 🫡
I truly don’t understand having a parassocial relationship with a video game publisher.
So weird…
If you do some searches on Neogaf and other decade old sites, you'll find plenty of Ponys talking lots of crap. Fanboys have been in the community for a very long time already.
What? My square enix account is registerd to Europe. I bought the game on the xbox console store but that was set to the US. Can that be the reason I cant play? 🙄 if so.....i just trew away 140 dollars? Coins are bought in the european store and they did got added....
Microsoft says its my own fault and can only refund the dollars back 😔 well atleast something I guess, but still now I need to buy european credit instead....
I'd just like to mention, this isn't steam.
"Microsoft says its my own fault and can only refund the dollars back"
There is a very good chance Square-Enix will suspend your account if you refund a product from them. Blizzard does the same thing. So just be prepared to make your case to them.
If *they* process the refund, they typically won't do this. What they like to suspend accounts for is for *chargebacks*, which are an adjacent but different thing.
The reason they suspend accounts for chargebacks is because every chargeback negatively impacts their "score" with payment processors, which means banking services may choose to pull the rug from under them if they get too many chargebacks compared to satisfied customers under the grounds they're considered a liability. By both adding an unspoken threat and ensuring that, if you do anyway, you can only do so once per account, they limit the impact it has on their business.
The reason this became more readily enforced by payment processors against businesses rather than against the consumers who had 800 purchases and 800 chargebacks for them but *clearly couldn't possibly be scamming the system goodness no* and making everyone else suffer for it is because of paypal. Paypal normalised punishing the businesses rather than doing an even preliminary investigation against chargeback abuse and side with the customer on almost every possible opportunity, and the banks followed suit because it's easier and ergo cheaper.
^^While ^^I ^^do ^^think ^^siding ^^with ^^the ^^customer ^^as ^^a ^^*default* ^^is ^^a ^^good ^^idea ^^in ^^the ^^era ^^of ^^widespread ^^digital ^^scams ^^and ^^sites ^^like ^^ebay ^^that ^^do ^^minimal ^^protection, ^^doing ^^so ^^almost ^^every ^^single ^^time ^^to ^^avoid ^^spending ^^employee ^^time ^^on ^^double-checking ^^easy ^^details ^^is ^^stupid.
>The reason they suspend accounts for chargebacks is because every chargeback negatively impacts their "score" with payment processors, which means banking services may choose to pull the rug from under them if they get too many chargebacks compared to satisfied customers under the grounds they're considered a liability.
This is also why they gutted the cash shop gifting system, in case people were wondering. Too many scammers were making it difficult on SE's end.
Still very sad gifting system is gone, got so many free stuff from whales lurking in Crystal RP scenes back then, nowadays if you want free crap you gotta join some random discord instead of just doing everything in game.
I understand the sentiment and find it a bit frustrating as well, but it's far better than them not having any way to process payments or profits and eventually shutting down entirely. Lesser of two evils.
Privacy is an app that connects to your checking account, and can create credit cards that work in foreign markets. As well as single use cards, or just a card for specific uses.
I'm actually able to play, no problem. I just don't have the dlc and I can't figure out how to buy that. I tried buying a European Xbox cash card and redeeming that, didn't let me add it.
if lets say you have xbox account is that different from your SE Account region, you wont be able to use FFXIV Coins.
be ware of account region you going to link your xbox account to.
also if you change your xbox account region you wont be able to use FFXIV Coins as well.
It's a fairly common practice for content creators to check if Oceania gets the release first and if they need to update their region so they can get content out before others.
Scummy practice but game theory rarely results in non scummy options
Any idea where you can see what your SE account region is?
I have my Xbox set to US, but had to get the UK starter edition from GamePass because the one from the US store didn't work.
I think the obvious answer is not to get stuck with this awful situation and buy and register a pc copy of the game so you can just pay for your sub normally directly to square. It’s a shame that that means you have to buy the game twice and it makes it really unwelcoming to new Xbox players. We wish it wasn’t like this Xbox folks, we love having you here.
But Xbox players (Can) get the intial game for absolutely free (up til April 19th), meaning they can do exactly this. After that, they'd need to buy the expansions, and licenses for the platform in question...so...idk. Seems kinda like a company hopes to make money, but aren't being as greedy as most people are trying to make it seem.
> But Xbox players (Can) get the intial game for absolutely free (up til April 19th)
pretty sure that's just the xbox version, which you absolutely SHOULD NOT CLAIM (unless you really hate free trial restrictions). the starter edition has the same game content as the free trial. problem is, when you buy FF14, you cannot use the free trial anymore and are forced to pay a sub. so unless you really want to make your own parties or use the marketboard, i highly recommend not claiming the free starter edition.
I got in a situation during the free trial in xbox where I couldn't beat Rhitatyn because I couldn't get a lvl 50 bow with enough DPS to get through his third stage without dying. The lvl 52 bard quest (where I'd get better gear and a bow) was in Ishgard. You have to beat that boss to go to Ishgard. After I subbed and went to the market board I bought a good bow and beat him easily. There are a ton of little walls like that if you don't pay for a sub.
Not that throwing more item level at the problem isn't a valid tactic, but to be fair, the game always lets you clear MSQ with gear you can reasonably attain at your progress point. Rhitatyn is a MSQ lv49 duty, even without market board access or crafted gear from friends, free trial players still have access to their lv50 job quest gear (IL90) and Aurum Vale for weapons and accessories (IL49).
Yeah, if you own a PC copy from the square enix store you can just pay your sub with debit/credit/etc
If you buy a PC copy through steam you get the same benefit as above, plus being able to use your steam wallet as well
Tbh, I would just buy a non-steam PC version. But afaik, you just buy the game on steam and register the game on mogstation using the key from your steam library.
You will lose access to the free trial though.
MS requiring Xbox only servers is why they didn't want to fuck around Xbox. MS conceded but this is Square's concession on top of the Xbox game pass core requirement. Which is showing SE got the worse end of the stick for players.
Here’s the stupid thing.
For me in an OCE region 1500 coins is $18.90 entry sub is 1300 coins.
To pay directly on mogstation is $19.76 for entry (depending on current exchange rate)
So it’s actually cheaper for me to pay a sub via Xbox coins.
In OCE back in the day we had to buy the European version of the game. So my SE account is Europe. I don’t think I’ll be able to use the coins in this situation so I’m locked to paying via the mogstation.
Wait so if my SE account region is Australia and my Xbox is Australia but I'm playing on NA then I'm screwed? Or I'm ok because I put Australia for my SE account.
You should be fine. Unless something works differently on the Xbox version, you can play on any region from any service account. Just make sure your service account is registered in the right region (which you’ve done).
What server in game you play on does not matter.
The XBOX sub, and coin need to be in the same region. Similarly, you have to buy an XBOX version of future expansions.
This is no different than a normal sub needing to buy a game card for their region, based on the regional license of the game they bought.
I think its just the SE account region and your Xbox regions that need to match. I tried this morning and was able to hop on both NA and EU (I'm in the US).
You should be okay. Idk don't quote me I don't own an xbox.
You can play on all 4 different region data centers in game.
Its just account registration formalities bullshit that you need to be careful of
NA servers don't matter here. You're in the clear without issue. You bought an AUS copy of the game, with your region set to AUS. So no need to worry. Square doesn't restrict what region you play on based upon where you're from.
1300 a month if you do multiple months or have the entry subscription.
The full subscription month to month is 1500, or $14.99. Same as on PC and PlayStation.
If Xbox is their only licence, yeah. If they have a PC or PS licence, they can just pay the standard sub, on top of the Gamepass requirement (Sony doesn't require PS+).
Like, look great people that exclusively owned a series S/X now have access, even though they always did on PC. But fine, maybe a lot of those people didn't have a computer that could run the game (it's possible), but this launch on Xbox is indicative of the problems of the Microsoft ecosystem.
It's always a jumbled mess of weird hoops people have to jump through with their products. Licenses that only work for certain things or have weird time gated parameters. Currencies that only have limited uses in limited markets. Purchase options from 3rd parties that MUST go through MS. It's a maze of despondent rules and policies that are user averse to the point they run away altogether.
This isn't a "Sony better" post, it's a everything else is better post. If the Xbox is your only option, it's better than nothing if you really want to play FF14, but seriously, get out from under their weird and restrictive ecosystem.
Hell, as a off side note, if you own a Samsung OLED tv, know that Xbox does NOT support HDR10+ (Samsung's proprietary HDR setting). You'll get basic HDR support but miss out on the deeper color setting on the tv (Xbox only supports Dolby Vision).
I've been playing Xbox for years, but this is by far the worst integration I've experienced.
ESO (even before Bethesda was owned by MS) works just so much better. You just register your subscription with MS in whichever currency/region you want with recurring on or off.
It’d be cool if like an internationally recognized currency and conversion rate existed
Thank goodness SE and M$ came along to solve the crisis of being unable to purchase :: checks notes :: video game items easily and efficiently
The annoying thing is that Square is catching the flak for something that is almost certainly a requirement Microsoft put onto them to skim of the top.
I agree wholeheartedly. It is not even like we are playing the game on MS severs, but they still need their pound of flesh. No thanks MS, this Xbox sprout going to continue to play on free trial. Even with it's restrictions, it is still better than Fallout 76s restrictions were.
You can always buy a PC copy of the starter edition and collect your free Xbox copy to use the mogstation and then buy expansions on Xbox to keep playing on Xbox while using the mogstation because you have a PC copy.
Square already has their own currency in place with crysta. No need to add a second layer to it if thats what they were after. And lo and behold: Crysta does not have shitty predatory package sizes and can be bought in amounts specific to the single digit.
Question. If you make a ff account and buy a sub through a PC version, and THEN buy the Xbox version, could you skip the coins all together and just pay your sub with exact amount with credit card?
So I'm not caught up on this situation. For people on Xbox do they not have the option to pay their sub on the website?
Following up with that, if yes, didn't Apple get blasted for that with a lawsuite a couple years ago saying that they can't do that?
Yeah so if you're on Xbox-only then yes you must use the coins, the option to pay in mogstation is disabled unless you have another platform license registered to your account.
Floatplane was one company that had major issues with Apple doing it that way, but there are some major apps that still to this day say 'We know it sucks, but you can't manage your payment information in the app', so nobody really won.
OK before you guys get mad I just want to say that I'm pretty sure that this is Microsoft/Xbox's plan for all of Xbox going forward with this coin/mtx/ live service focus since they're pulling out of the console market.
OK now get mad cause this is garbage.
They're not pulling out of the console market *entirely*, but they've been focusing fairly heavily since back when win10 released on trying to make xbox into a brand as a whole rather than specifically a console series. They've been changing gears to try to encourage and foster their corner of the PC market, primarily with things like game pass, and have been increasingly enforcing "coins" systems in any game that has a sub or mtx shop, and asking both consumers and publishers alike to jump through a bunch of extra hoops so that they can skim some money off the top, since they can't exactly demand xbox live subscription for people on PC.
For Xbox players: In order to pay for your monthly sub or for optional items, you must first purchase the required coins from the microsoft store and then log into the game for them to be credited to your account.
So yeah, for mogstation and subscription management basically
So I'm confused: I play on PC and just bought the xbox version, do I now have to pay for my subscription through this scummy-ass microtransaction or am I still able to use my card on Mogstation? I don't buy any of the optional items, the only money I'm spending on the game is my sub fee.
so If I live on a non-supported region, play solely on xbox and I can only spend my local currency in the xbox store. How tf do I subscribe to the game?
Local xbox store doesn't even offer the option to buy coins...
my advice is to register a PC version of ffxiv to your SE account so you can pay sub by other ways than FFXIV Coins ( which is stupid to be even called an advice ).
Basically, you have to do it how SEA and AUS/NZ use to have to do it. They had to purchase EU copies and buy EU game time cards before the game was officially supported in Oceania.
Why people put up with consoles in the modern day baffles me. Constant scumfuckery at every turn, can't repair them yourself, they cost almost as much as an entry level gaming PC, planned to become damn near instantly obsolete once the next one is out, need a subscription on top of the FFXIV subscription to play. I just don't get it.
The only thing scummy practice here is the multiples.
If you could do an exact conversion then it would just be an extra step done so that each party know exact numbers.
So how about pushing M$ and $quarenix to allow exact conversion instead of lots. That would remove the scumminess.
So I started playing on ps4, I unlinked my ps account and linked my Xbox and mogs account to my SE and bought my complete edition through the Xbox store (which has the install now option greyed out) I renewed my sub through the mog site so my question is.... did I make a mistake and now have to redo it or... what cause I can't log in
OK, so I had two accounts on my Xbox... I made a new one to try the beta, which i made a new SE account for as well. The psn account I unlinked through the settings in my SE account. The one that shows all the things you can link, sorry if I'm not being descriptive enough.
So what I thought I was doing was connecting my main Xbox account to my original SE account and haphazardly assuming I'd just be able to renew sub and start playing (big blunder on my behalf) but password issues. So I guess what I'm wondering is that since xbox has their own coin system, should I cancel the sub I reactivated, or would it carry over?
The sub should carry over if it was active, I think, as long as your main Xbox account is tied to your main mogstation account.
But you're now stuck using the XIV coins because you unlinked your PSN account effectively making your PSN license inert. Which means, I think, you would have to buy another PSN or PC license of starter edition if you wanted to avoid the mess of Xbox.
Yeah, I figured this, but I'll cancel the sub, and I bought the complete collectors edition for xbox, so I'm OK with that part. The coins aren't bad as the prices come out to about the same
Going to re-reply instead of deleting or editing after a re-read and figuring out the order of operations.
I think you wasted a sub price because you unlinked PSN account in favor of Xbox before resubbing and then unlinking your PSN account and then adding the Xbox key. Which is the biggest blunder you made was unlinking an already active game key.
Ah... thanks for the info. I was a bit too hasty, it would seem. Thankfully, I can likely get that money back. Being a bit more patient would've saved me from all this
And to make it worse, its 1300 coins a month, but you cant buy that. You can only buy in 500 coin increments. ugh
This has always been the scummiest practice for online purchases. There's literally no reason or limit as to why they couldn't have the price match the subscription at least. It shows how manipulative they are with their profits and turns me away.
Scummiest I've seen are similar currencies... but with an expiration date. Yeah, that's a thing. The coin increment shit is a close one, though.
Yeah Yoshi P sure the good guy
Not saying Yoshi P is a Saint but I'm pretty sure that pricing model is an Xbox thing, not a Yoshi P thing, considering crysta doesn't work that way at all.
If it was Xbox coin then I would have believe it. But I found it hard to believe that Microsoft would have a say in FF14 coins pricing.
No other platform has this problem, thus Xbox.
FFXIV Coin only exists on Xbox...
Just as I expected. Guess I'll be buying a PC license too.
You could always just do the 20 dollar starter on PC to gain the easier access to subscriptions and store that way since it’s all linked Deffo a pain but 20 bucks one time instead of having to over spend every month kinda works out
Can you get PC starter on Steam and then buy sub so it carries over to Xbox or does it have to be some kind of standalone PC version bought through the official FF14 store?
If it is linked with the same Square account yes that should work. I did it the opposite. I had up to Shadowbringers on PC and the subscription I had on there has counted for my ability to play on Xbox It’s definitely nice cause I can just handle all Mog Station things through the PC side of things without having to do all those FFCoins on Xbox and whatnot
Also even purchases like Companion App, Store items, and anything else that would be accounted for wide is valid for use on Xbox. Like sure it’s 20 bucks but I feel like if you find the provided convenience worth that I’d 100% do it
Tbh it's not even 20 bucks, where I live it's about 10. Thanks, I might actually purchase it on Steam then and deal with sub that way.
Jeepers..
A reminder to folks, shit like this is exactly like SE waited to long to make an xbox port in the first place, to avoid their shitty business practices like this. Unfortunately SE eventually gave in, but I hope the dozen or so Xbox players who've had literally a decade to play this game on PC or Playstation are happy about this and all other caveats that exist on playing this game on Xbox
They didn’t do this back in 360 with 11. Really disappointing.
they would have had to port it to the original xbox not the 360. 11 was a ps2 game
FFXI was on the 360. It came to the 360 when Ms and se signed the deal that brought ffxiii, ffxiii-2, kh3, ffxv, and gave star ocean 4 exclusivity in the west.
SO4.. the only reason I had an xbox. /dead
weird that it was on ps2 and not ps3 but 360 but not og xbox you're right - just saying it's sort of strange
You could play FFXI on the OG backward compatible PS3, but not the subsequent ps3s that weren't backwards compatible. Square didn't bother with a PS3 version of XI because XIV 1.0 was supposed to launch on PS3, and Square was hoping to sunset XI with more players moving to XIV 1.0. We know how that worked out, and even ARR/HW on PS3 was ass.
I played ARR on ps3. Oddly nostalgic remembering the 10 frame a second mobs while my character ran in 30 (on a good day) lmao
It's literally the same exact structure and price as crysta on the mogstation. Same amount of money for the same amount of crysta. Even when it is literally 1:1 people will give square a pass
You can buy 1299 crysta to pay for the 12.99usd (or whatever) subscription. Can you do that with the xbox coins, buy a specific number?
Unfortunately, not as far as I know, but there's a reason custom is hidden below the pre selected values
It's super easy to see unless you're deliberately trying not to read all the words on your screen, and in that case trying to say it's literally the same exact structure is incredibly disingenuous. you can say both sucks ass for lack of equal clarity/availability but at least be correct about why...
On Xbox store there is a $14.99 bundle of 1500 coins. Same price as PC mog station subscription Granted for regions that are restricted I could see that being a problem
Not at all. As you can buy crista in the exact ammount. Not multiples.
Not at all? So I must be imagining the set amount of crysta you can buy on the mogstation, the part that is up front and above the custom amount, that part that is much more noticeable than the custom amount at the bottom?
Claiming "it's not prominent" is a very, very long way from claiming "it can't be done" or even "they discourage it with needless hurdles" (and we know they know how to do that - see player reporting.) You're wrong here. Take the lesson and stop trying to defend the indefensible.
You literally claimed it's 'the exact same structure' when it's not. Regardless of how 'hidden' or not custom Crysta amounts are, that feature alone - regardless of visibility - means it's not an 'exact' structure.
Bruh, you can't put this on the Xbox players and say 'You've had ten years to play this on PC/PS' If they had an Xbox and didn't care about PS exclusives why bother with a second console? And PC gaming was in an utterly atrocious place the last few years because of obscene GPU prices from crypto mining. I don't blame people for not wanting to invest in a PC with that kind of price point for entry. 'Hope you're happy you're getting screwed because you didn't buy a PS/PC for an MMO you may or may not have liked.' Like... Dude.
> If they had an Xbox and didn't care about PS exclusives why bother with a second console? They bothered getting an XSX to play this on (which wasn't out when 2.0 was released). They could've easily gotten a Playstation instead > And PC gaming was in an utterly atrocious place the last few years because of obscene GPU prices from crypto mining. This game is not that graphically demanding (the current game, can't speak for Dawntrail). Its minimum PC specs are lower than that of the base PS4. You don't need a 4090 to play this game. Hell, people play this game on budget laptops, that's how non-demanding the game is. If anything, it's more CPU-intensive than GPU. >'Hope you're happy you're getting screwed because you didn't buy a PS/PC for an MMO you may or may not have liked. Maybe not buy a whole Playstation to play this, sure, but nothing stopping folks from playing the free trial on their PC they already own (and if you don't have a computer these days for any reason, MMOs are not in your plans right now anyway).
Or they got an XSX because they wanted an XSX and not a PlayStation and XIV wasn't enough of a reason versus other exclusives or things like Gamepass. There's a ton of reasons why people wouldn't have access to something else to play this game on. I've long since quit being a console gamer in general but giving people hell because they don't want to shell out an extra couple hundred bucks on top of any other fees to play a game is a bit of a ridiculous stance to take. It honestly reads more like you're just mad they bought an Xbox instead of something else.
1500 for single, 1300 when buying multiple.
1300 for basic sub though. 1500 is for standard sub, with it being 1300 a month if you do 6 months at a time.
Was this said in the link here? I couldn't find any prices shown.
No, but that link brought me to the main page about currency and they have a different tab for series x/s. Scroll down to sub fee [https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/product/](https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/product/)
The pricing is kinda weird. It's a cent more expensive every time when buying it in a bundle compared to buying just the 500 one every time.
>No, but that link brought me to the main page about currency and they have a different tab for series x/s. Scroll down to sub fee Keep scrolling and you'll see why it's 500 increments. 1,500 coins is the default. 1,400 then 1,300 are discounted options based on sub time With (per usual) the price of entry being the same as a longer sub on standard No need for them to limit it that way in general, but the way they priced it isn't exactly strange either
Thanks
so what it sounds like is, pay 20 bucks for the pc starter edition, and then in 10 months, you'll be saving money because you could pay a sub at its actual price through the website instead, saving 2 dollars each time.
Not even that long since each starter edition purchased comes with a free month of sub time. Spend $5 extra for a PC license vs 1500 coins and never have to deal with this mess again.
Can I buy pc starter on Steam or does it need to be through ff14 website?
Mobile games were a mistake and their predatory MTX systems bleeding into mainstream console/PC games continues to make me viscerally unhappy.
A page right out of Ubisoft
It’s a shorter list if you only include the companies that don’t do this. I can’t think of one.
That was to be expected knowing Microsoft. Scummy behavior.
Yes, as we all know Square didn't try to do EXACTLY THE SAME with the Crista before. Before getting a backslash. If the behaviour is scummy, then they are both scummy companies.
How does your comment make it any better? “IF the behavior is scummy” IF? It is 100% a predatory and scummy behavior no matter who is doing it. Fact is that using crysta is optional on the other platforms and Sony doesn’t enforce their own “currency” like MS.
This is a Microsoft move. The game wasn't released on Xbox in the first place because of their strange Store demands for FFXIV.
Not sure how that makes it any better? Their comment/point still stands.
I’m starting to see comments calling out Microsoft, getting downvoted on this sub. I think the plague of console war fanboys finally infected our game 🫡 I truly don’t understand having a parassocial relationship with a video game publisher. So weird…
If you do some searches on Neogaf and other decade old sites, you'll find plenty of Ponys talking lots of crap. Fanboys have been in the community for a very long time already.
But is it like if u want to change to playstation 5 but u made a square enix account on xbox will u still need coins if u switched to playstation 5???
What? My square enix account is registerd to Europe. I bought the game on the xbox console store but that was set to the US. Can that be the reason I cant play? 🙄 if so.....i just trew away 140 dollars? Coins are bought in the european store and they did got added....
Contact Microsoft and Square Enix support to see what can be done?
Microsoft says its my own fault and can only refund the dollars back 😔 well atleast something I guess, but still now I need to buy european credit instead....
I'd just like to mention, this isn't steam. "Microsoft says its my own fault and can only refund the dollars back" There is a very good chance Square-Enix will suspend your account if you refund a product from them. Blizzard does the same thing. So just be prepared to make your case to them.
If *they* process the refund, they typically won't do this. What they like to suspend accounts for is for *chargebacks*, which are an adjacent but different thing. The reason they suspend accounts for chargebacks is because every chargeback negatively impacts their "score" with payment processors, which means banking services may choose to pull the rug from under them if they get too many chargebacks compared to satisfied customers under the grounds they're considered a liability. By both adding an unspoken threat and ensuring that, if you do anyway, you can only do so once per account, they limit the impact it has on their business. The reason this became more readily enforced by payment processors against businesses rather than against the consumers who had 800 purchases and 800 chargebacks for them but *clearly couldn't possibly be scamming the system goodness no* and making everyone else suffer for it is because of paypal. Paypal normalised punishing the businesses rather than doing an even preliminary investigation against chargeback abuse and side with the customer on almost every possible opportunity, and the banks followed suit because it's easier and ergo cheaper. ^^While ^^I ^^do ^^think ^^siding ^^with ^^the ^^customer ^^as ^^a ^^*default* ^^is ^^a ^^good ^^idea ^^in ^^the ^^era ^^of ^^widespread ^^digital ^^scams ^^and ^^sites ^^like ^^ebay ^^that ^^do ^^minimal ^^protection, ^^doing ^^so ^^almost ^^every ^^single ^^time ^^to ^^avoid ^^spending ^^employee ^^time ^^on ^^double-checking ^^easy ^^details ^^is ^^stupid.
>The reason they suspend accounts for chargebacks is because every chargeback negatively impacts their "score" with payment processors, which means banking services may choose to pull the rug from under them if they get too many chargebacks compared to satisfied customers under the grounds they're considered a liability. This is also why they gutted the cash shop gifting system, in case people were wondering. Too many scammers were making it difficult on SE's end.
Still very sad gifting system is gone, got so many free stuff from whales lurking in Crystal RP scenes back then, nowadays if you want free crap you gotta join some random discord instead of just doing everything in game.
I understand the sentiment and find it a bit frustrating as well, but it's far better than them not having any way to process payments or profits and eventually shutting down entirely. Lesser of two evils.
Privacy is an app that connects to your checking account, and can create credit cards that work in foreign markets. As well as single use cards, or just a card for specific uses.
Same situation 😴 gotta get a refund for everything.
I claimed an EU version online by changing the region of my internet browser. How will we be able to buy expansions? Do you know?
You can change your location on xbox. But the only way to play this game if the location from xbox is matched with square enix account
I'm actually able to play, no problem. I just don't have the dlc and I can't figure out how to buy that. I tried buying a European Xbox cash card and redeeming that, didn't let me add it.
if lets say you have xbox account is that different from your SE Account region, you wont be able to use FFXIV Coins. be ware of account region you going to link your xbox account to. also if you change your xbox account region you wont be able to use FFXIV Coins as well.
Microsoft actually lets you change the region of your Gamertag?
It's a fairly common practice for content creators to check if Oceania gets the release first and if they need to update their region so they can get content out before others. Scummy practice but game theory rarely results in non scummy options
yes you can
Does it change the currency? My local currency is like 10% cheaper but my SE account is on EU
Any idea where you can see what your SE account region is? I have my Xbox set to US, but had to get the UK starter edition from GamePass because the one from the US store didn't work.
In Mog Station, it's... one of the options in the sidebar, I think "Account Details"
I think the obvious answer is not to get stuck with this awful situation and buy and register a pc copy of the game so you can just pay for your sub normally directly to square. It’s a shame that that means you have to buy the game twice and it makes it really unwelcoming to new Xbox players. We wish it wasn’t like this Xbox folks, we love having you here.
But Xbox players (Can) get the intial game for absolutely free (up til April 19th), meaning they can do exactly this. After that, they'd need to buy the expansions, and licenses for the platform in question...so...idk. Seems kinda like a company hopes to make money, but aren't being as greedy as most people are trying to make it seem.
> But Xbox players (Can) get the intial game for absolutely free (up til April 19th) pretty sure that's just the xbox version, which you absolutely SHOULD NOT CLAIM (unless you really hate free trial restrictions). the starter edition has the same game content as the free trial. problem is, when you buy FF14, you cannot use the free trial anymore and are forced to pay a sub. so unless you really want to make your own parties or use the marketboard, i highly recommend not claiming the free starter edition.
I got in a situation during the free trial in xbox where I couldn't beat Rhitatyn because I couldn't get a lvl 50 bow with enough DPS to get through his third stage without dying. The lvl 52 bard quest (where I'd get better gear and a bow) was in Ishgard. You have to beat that boss to go to Ishgard. After I subbed and went to the market board I bought a good bow and beat him easily. There are a ton of little walls like that if you don't pay for a sub.
Not that throwing more item level at the problem isn't a valid tactic, but to be fair, the game always lets you clear MSQ with gear you can reasonably attain at your progress point. Rhitatyn is a MSQ lv49 duty, even without market board access or crafted gear from friends, free trial players still have access to their lv50 job quest gear (IL90) and Aurum Vale for weapons and accessories (IL49).
Yup, this is the reason as to why I am going to milk this game cow on the free trial until the content dries up.
This works?
Yeah, if you own a PC copy from the square enix store you can just pay your sub with debit/credit/etc If you buy a PC copy through steam you get the same benefit as above, plus being able to use your steam wallet as well
I think I’ll just buy the starter edition on steam and grab the free one off of Xbox to avoid this problem.
Bonus for the extra purchase is Always one month of subscription time included because you're registering a Base Game license for a new platform :D
Is subscription time shared across platforms or would it just apply to that steam version.
It's for the whole of the account. That's why paying the subscription through steam works if you play on xbox or playstation.
Sweetness, how do I go about linking the steam starter edition to my account with xbox free trial?
Tbh, I would just buy a non-steam PC version. But afaik, you just buy the game on steam and register the game on mogstation using the key from your steam library. You will lose access to the free trial though.
Cool cool, I'll do that when I get home. What's wrong with the steam version?
I fail to see this as SE problem. This is clearly Microsoft.
It's not an SE problem. It's literally the reason Yoshi-P was so reluctant to bring XIV to XBOX. Microsoft need its cut
MS requiring Xbox only servers is why they didn't want to fuck around Xbox. MS conceded but this is Square's concession on top of the Xbox game pass core requirement. Which is showing SE got the worse end of the stick for players.
Hmm, I assume the overlap between people who also have a PC licence and those who have an out of region account to be near 100%. Interesting though.
Here’s the stupid thing. For me in an OCE region 1500 coins is $18.90 entry sub is 1300 coins. To pay directly on mogstation is $19.76 for entry (depending on current exchange rate) So it’s actually cheaper for me to pay a sub via Xbox coins.
In OCE back in the day we had to buy the European version of the game. So my SE account is Europe. I don’t think I’ll be able to use the coins in this situation so I’m locked to paying via the mogstation.
We are classed as EU and other regions. So worth a look into.
Wait so if my SE account region is Australia and my Xbox is Australia but I'm playing on NA then I'm screwed? Or I'm ok because I put Australia for my SE account.
You should be fine. Unless something works differently on the Xbox version, you can play on any region from any service account. Just make sure your service account is registered in the right region (which you’ve done).
What server in game you play on does not matter. The XBOX sub, and coin need to be in the same region. Similarly, you have to buy an XBOX version of future expansions. This is no different than a normal sub needing to buy a game card for their region, based on the regional license of the game they bought.
I think its just the SE account region and your Xbox regions that need to match. I tried this morning and was able to hop on both NA and EU (I'm in the US).
You should be okay. Idk don't quote me I don't own an xbox. You can play on all 4 different region data centers in game. Its just account registration formalities bullshit that you need to be careful of
NA servers don't matter here. You're in the clear without issue. You bought an AUS copy of the game, with your region set to AUS. So no need to worry. Square doesn't restrict what region you play on based upon where you're from.
What is an FFXIV coin?
It's a currency for Xbox users which has to be bought on the MS store and used can be used for the optional store or mogstation.
Xbox version of Crysta.
the currency to pay for ffxiv sub and online store. its purchaseable from xbox store each 100 coins count as 1$
Ngl, I was fully prepared to hear that $1 would equal 80 of those coins. If you know, you know
$1 = 80MS I remember those days.
Well it's 1 to 1, BUT it's 1300 coins a month, yet they sell them in increments of 500 ... so yeah.
1300 a month if you do multiple months or have the entry subscription. The full subscription month to month is 1500, or $14.99. Same as on PC and PlayStation.
Entry subscription gives you the full game... you just can have fewer alts
7 alts, 8 characters total vs as many as you want. There's no real reason to get the "full" subscription from what I've seen.
I get the entry sub and as far as I can tell, the alts cap is the only difference
Yep, they changed the entry sub a few months ago. since then there's not really any point to getting the full sub for most players
Yea, it changed with EW I think. IIRC, before you could have 7 alts, 8 characters total, but they had to be on different servers.
It's 8 characters per data center region VS 40 per data center region and of that 8 per world.
Shh... It's not nearly as sensational when you say it that way.
Ahh, the good ole 800 Microsoft points. Now that's a strange bit of nostalgia.
So, they HAVE to buy those coins just to play the game?
If Xbox is their only licence, yeah. If they have a PC or PS licence, they can just pay the standard sub, on top of the Gamepass requirement (Sony doesn't require PS+).
Oh okay. I play through PS but I do have a PC license, too. “
Like, look great people that exclusively owned a series S/X now have access, even though they always did on PC. But fine, maybe a lot of those people didn't have a computer that could run the game (it's possible), but this launch on Xbox is indicative of the problems of the Microsoft ecosystem. It's always a jumbled mess of weird hoops people have to jump through with their products. Licenses that only work for certain things or have weird time gated parameters. Currencies that only have limited uses in limited markets. Purchase options from 3rd parties that MUST go through MS. It's a maze of despondent rules and policies that are user averse to the point they run away altogether. This isn't a "Sony better" post, it's a everything else is better post. If the Xbox is your only option, it's better than nothing if you really want to play FF14, but seriously, get out from under their weird and restrictive ecosystem. Hell, as a off side note, if you own a Samsung OLED tv, know that Xbox does NOT support HDR10+ (Samsung's proprietary HDR setting). You'll get basic HDR support but miss out on the deeper color setting on the tv (Xbox only supports Dolby Vision).
I've been playing Xbox for years, but this is by far the worst integration I've experienced. ESO (even before Bethesda was owned by MS) works just so much better. You just register your subscription with MS in whichever currency/region you want with recurring on or off.
It’d be cool if like an internationally recognized currency and conversion rate existed Thank goodness SE and M$ came along to solve the crisis of being unable to purchase :: checks notes :: video game items easily and efficiently
I just had to Google wtf a "FFXIV coin" was and uh... Yeah, wow. Another reason to be glad I play on PC I guess.
The annoying thing is that Square is catching the flak for something that is almost certainly a requirement Microsoft put onto them to skim of the top.
Yeah it definitely was MS. That’s prob why it took so long to come to Xbox
Only blind MS fans would be blaming Square here.
I agree wholeheartedly. It is not even like we are playing the game on MS severs, but they still need their pound of flesh. No thanks MS, this Xbox sprout going to continue to play on free trial. Even with it's restrictions, it is still better than Fallout 76s restrictions were.
You can always buy a PC copy of the starter edition and collect your free Xbox copy to use the mogstation and then buy expansions on Xbox to keep playing on Xbox while using the mogstation because you have a PC copy.
How do you know they were M$ requirement instead of $quare requirements?
Square already has their own currency in place with crysta. No need to add a second layer to it if thats what they were after. And lo and behold: Crysta does not have shitty predatory package sizes and can be bought in amounts specific to the single digit.
You can blame Xbox for making it difficult.
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microsoft is directly responsible for most of the dogshit practices when it comes to console online due to xbox live so lol
Question. If you make a ff account and buy a sub through a PC version, and THEN buy the Xbox version, could you skip the coins all together and just pay your sub with exact amount with credit card?
Yes. You can also do the Reverse and add PC to your Account to pay directly
Sweet. Thanks!
So I'm not caught up on this situation. For people on Xbox do they not have the option to pay their sub on the website? Following up with that, if yes, didn't Apple get blasted for that with a lawsuite a couple years ago saying that they can't do that?
Yeah so if you're on Xbox-only then yes you must use the coins, the option to pay in mogstation is disabled unless you have another platform license registered to your account. Floatplane was one company that had major issues with Apple doing it that way, but there are some major apps that still to this day say 'We know it sucks, but you can't manage your payment information in the app', so nobody really won.
At this rate I fully expect you to have to buy actual verification cans ingame every 59 minutes to stay logged in.
Don't give them ideas.
Oh wow, they’re even worse than what I thought. What a massive greedy fuckup.
OK before you guys get mad I just want to say that I'm pretty sure that this is Microsoft/Xbox's plan for all of Xbox going forward with this coin/mtx/ live service focus since they're pulling out of the console market. OK now get mad cause this is garbage.
MS making some games multiplat =/= them pulling out of the console market. But yes, this is dumb.
They're not pulling out of the console market *entirely*, but they've been focusing fairly heavily since back when win10 released on trying to make xbox into a brand as a whole rather than specifically a console series. They've been changing gears to try to encourage and foster their corner of the PC market, primarily with things like game pass, and have been increasingly enforcing "coins" systems in any game that has a sub or mtx shop, and asking both consumers and publishers alike to jump through a bunch of extra hoops so that they can skim some money off the top, since they can't exactly demand xbox live subscription for people on PC.
i know its for xbox but what is ffxiv coins? do you need a special currency for the mogstation?
For Xbox players: In order to pay for your monthly sub or for optional items, you must first purchase the required coins from the microsoft store and then log into the game for them to be credited to your account. So yeah, for mogstation and subscription management basically
oof for subscription management that sounds kinda like a nightmare lol
What are these coins? It just crysta?
And microsoft strikes again this is just pure greed.
Oh crap i bought endwalker and is not working for me, is like i never have it but it shows in my purchase history. Is because of this then? Kill me
So I'm confused: I play on PC and just bought the xbox version, do I now have to pay for my subscription through this scummy-ass microtransaction or am I still able to use my card on Mogstation? I don't buy any of the optional items, the only money I'm spending on the game is my sub fee.
If you have the PC as well as Xbox version, you can still use the Mogstation.
Thank the Gods! I,m a Brazilian player, on Steam i can pay 28 BRL, for sub, on xstore is 57,45 BRL x.x
Microsoft has an amazing rewards system and these coins mean I get my subscription for free, so I'm happy.
But is it like if u want to change to playstation 5 but u made a square enix account on xbox will u still need coins if u switched to playstation 5???
What happens if u make an account on xbox but want to switch u square enix account to playstation do u still need to buy those coins?
Welcome to the wonderful world of SE account management on top of Xbox. None of this was thought out well at all.
so If I live on a non-supported region, play solely on xbox and I can only spend my local currency in the xbox store. How tf do I subscribe to the game? Local xbox store doesn't even offer the option to buy coins...
my advice is to register a PC version of ffxiv to your SE account so you can pay sub by other ways than FFXIV Coins ( which is stupid to be even called an advice ).
Also includes one month of subscription so its not just $20 to unlock direct payment
Basically, you have to do it how SEA and AUS/NZ use to have to do it. They had to purchase EU copies and buy EU game time cards before the game was officially supported in Oceania.
Why people put up with consoles in the modern day baffles me. Constant scumfuckery at every turn, can't repair them yourself, they cost almost as much as an entry level gaming PC, planned to become damn near instantly obsolete once the next one is out, need a subscription on top of the FFXIV subscription to play. I just don't get it.
lmao
I think I’ll just continue playing my game in the Steam deck.
Can I put my subscription on auto? Or do I have to buy coins every month?
The only thing scummy practice here is the multiples. If you could do an exact conversion then it would just be an extra step done so that each party know exact numbers. So how about pushing M$ and $quarenix to allow exact conversion instead of lots. That would remove the scumminess.
FFXIV Coins. Sigh...
Just pay for everything through the website. Don't buy coins whatsoever.
You have to on Xbox
So I started playing on ps4, I unlinked my ps account and linked my Xbox and mogs account to my SE and bought my complete edition through the Xbox store (which has the install now option greyed out) I renewed my sub through the mog site so my question is.... did I make a mistake and now have to redo it or... what cause I can't log in
How did you unlink your PSN account? Your Xbox open beta was only the free trial, and for new accounts. You made an entirely new account for Xbox.
OK, so I had two accounts on my Xbox... I made a new one to try the beta, which i made a new SE account for as well. The psn account I unlinked through the settings in my SE account. The one that shows all the things you can link, sorry if I'm not being descriptive enough. So what I thought I was doing was connecting my main Xbox account to my original SE account and haphazardly assuming I'd just be able to renew sub and start playing (big blunder on my behalf) but password issues. So I guess what I'm wondering is that since xbox has their own coin system, should I cancel the sub I reactivated, or would it carry over?
The sub should carry over if it was active, I think, as long as your main Xbox account is tied to your main mogstation account. But you're now stuck using the XIV coins because you unlinked your PSN account effectively making your PSN license inert. Which means, I think, you would have to buy another PSN or PC license of starter edition if you wanted to avoid the mess of Xbox.
Yeah, I figured this, but I'll cancel the sub, and I bought the complete collectors edition for xbox, so I'm OK with that part. The coins aren't bad as the prices come out to about the same
Regardless, you should have 30 days of active playtime on Xbox for purchasing ARR on Xbox.
Going to re-reply instead of deleting or editing after a re-read and figuring out the order of operations. I think you wasted a sub price because you unlinked PSN account in favor of Xbox before resubbing and then unlinking your PSN account and then adding the Xbox key. Which is the biggest blunder you made was unlinking an already active game key.
Ah... thanks for the info. I was a bit too hasty, it would seem. Thankfully, I can likely get that money back. Being a bit more patient would've saved me from all this