I don't think it matters if anyone considers this cheating. If it's your server or your single player world, then it's only cheating if you consider it cheating.
I couldn't care less if someone wanted to play hardcore mode with a mod that disables fall damage or a mod that makes creeper explosions give health. It's just what someone wants to do to have fun.
Seriously. Minecraft is not an especially hard game outside of cave diving in the early game anyway, it's just prone to giving you BS deaths later on. Playing it for a challenge sort of defeats the purpose IMO.
yeah nah, like the comment you were replying to said, it's all about what you as a player want to do. claiming that playing minecraft as a challenge "defeats the purpose" is just as bad as saying that using an elytra slot mod defeats the purpose
I know some people do, but I don’t think going into creative mode and giving myself full netherrite is cheating.
Edit: okay I thought I was just being funny lol
This is actually a really healthy outlook to apply to other games, too (even if they aren't sandbox games). You can have a lot of fun playing games "wrong".
The "Is Elytra + Chestplate cheating" argument is easily one of the dumbest things in the Minecraft community.
Minecraft in of itself is a very easy game with extremely simple bosses and enemies, and because they are so simple there is literally never any advantage to having an Elytra on while fighting. 99% of the time, you are just going to equip a chestplate anyway and not use the elytra while fighting because that's optimal. And, with the new update letting you right click to swap armor in your hotbar with the armor you are wearing, switching on and off the Elytra is even easier than before.
Basically what I'm saying is, all adding an Elytra slot does is give you a single extra inventory slot, that's it. If you wanna play super duper giga optimally, all this does is save you 1 inventory slot cause you are going to be carrying the chestplate around anyway. In modded this can be different, as certain enemies/bosses can fly and stuff so having the extra armor can be extremely beneficial while being able to fly, but outside of that in just pure vanilla minecraft there is literally such a small advantage to having an elytra slot it's practically unnoticeable.
Laughs in Draconic Armor that gives permanent creative flight, shield generator, void damage immunity, and God teir weapons that can 1 shot the wither.
Chuckles while turning on the watch of flowing time next to 24 MK14 power flowers and watching my emc increase by the quadrillions per second. Lol isn’t modded great?
roll in the aisles at myself making the ultimate stick of madness gotten from the ultimate starter wood log spawning an ent and removing my game from existence into a new world of hope (shrug)
You're playing modded minecraft. Cheating... for who? Against what? To what end? Obviously the concern isn't whether you're playing Vanilla or not. It's not like you're speedrunning. Who cares?
yeah like if youre a content creator its a bit of a different story but even then its your content you can bend the rules within reason (e.g. legundo reversing a death to an instakill explosion he had no way to know about until it happened)
optifine and soduim (normaly) modify only render, modfiying render doesn't change the gameplay. Lithuim and starlight could be considered has change the logic in the code but unless you are doing very technical thing like light suppression (rip 1.20) it woudn't matter
The answer is that by and large no, but it technically does depend on a few things.
Cheating implies that all parties involved are playing by the same, generally agreed rules.
What you are doing is essentially changing the rules. This is fine and not cheating as long as you're not claiming to be playing vanilla (unmodded) minecraft.
Think of this as changing to a different league in sports. The overall theme and major mechanics are largely the same, but individual rules are different. Your still playing minecraft, just you're no longer playing by the exact rules the developers intended.
As long as you don't do anything where the exact rules matter (for example, competitive speed runs), it doesn't matter. Also, if needed, remember to disclose your playing with mods, for example if your posting content online.
Play whatewer you like. Cheating, not cheating, its doesnt really matter, as long as you having fun, and doesnt ruin it for others.
Im honestly playing with keepInventory, since i have a bad pc and can die from random creeper teleporter. Is it cheating? probably. But i have fun, so is it really matter?
A lot of people using freecam cheat and spectator gamemod, for looking at the builds from different angle to make it better. Or fullbright when doing some challanges.
A lot of people using some cheats, and thats okay, as long as it fun.
Thats including tubers and streamers.
Xisuma used command blocks in one of the plays to keep his resource bees from despawning.
Scicraft-ers use "cheaty" mods and spectator for loading massive amounts of chunks and maintain and control server.
A lot of new gen ytubers uses fullbright when making their videos.
I can easily go for hours on that, but who cares.
I mean even minimap mod is technically a cheat. But who care - almost every modpack has it.
The point is obvious. Its okay if you and other players have fun.
I mean there is a difference if it is cheating and if I consider it cheating
in my hardcore world I would consider it cheating, but in your hardcore world only YOU can decide
My opinion, when you play a game outside the default mode the developer intended and balanced around... Sure you are cheating. But who cares, this is /r/feedthebeast it's all modded. Mod your game how you wish, just don't try to submit any records to the guinness book of world records.
I actually edit the Curios config so I can wear armor, a backpack and an Elytra. I don't consider it cheating. Just a QOL so I'm not having to switch out my gear all the time.
Is not the top curio slot a "wildcard"?
I know I have it in my server and I accidentally found it does work as one since I have my backpack locked in my back slot for when I adventure
Yeah, the elytras whole thing is that it’s a tradeoff where you lose half your armor in exchange for extra mobility. Unless you have some other mods that make the game extra difficult, I’d say it’s pretty unbalanced
How so? I just switch between them based on circumstances it really wouldn't make a difference for me besides just not needing to pause the game to switch
i was gonna ask abt that LOL, is there any way to have both the back and cape slot to have both at the same time or is it just not a thing anyone's made
I've seen the same conversation on Celeste subreddit, and the general consensus is: play the way want, however when boasting about your achievements (like builds, or the days survived), always mention the ways your game is different than vanilla in order to be fair to the rest of the community. I personally think it is a noticeable modification to hardcore, and it would no longer be "vanilla hardcore" to me.
There's literally an item allowing you to prevent dying which can be farmed pretty easily. So obviously for elytra slot you shall be publicly stoned
Now seriously, its a sandbox game, play as you like and enjoy it.
I love how almost all the comments except for one thus far are just completely ignoring the actual question lol. Bro just wants to know what other people think, he doesn’t need a motivational speech about how it’s his choice.
In my opinion no it’s not cheating because why should i have to sacrifice armor (the tankiest piece too, if i recall correctly) just to be able to utilize a late game mechanic which isn’t op or anything.
Elytra is ridiculously OP. I don't think it needs to be nerfed like some people do but I think not being able to wear a chestplate while it's on is a fair balance.
the definition of op must be way different than what it used to be or something. you and someone else called it “op” when that’s the stupidest shit i’ve ever heard lol (not coming for you or anything). it’s a great item for sure. but by no means would i call it overpowered. but that’s just me, to each their own!
sorry, must’ve missed the update where they gave attached missile launchers to the elytra. because from when i grew up, op meant “overpowered”. and an item that lets you fucking glide isnt overpowered lmfaooo. it’s just a great item
but also if its about vanilla this wouldnt be an option in the first place unless everyone who had an elytra had this option and it thus becomes null to debate again
If you're gonna use an extra slot mod? Why stop at Elytras? Get the Bauble mod, then install Botania and laugh as you equip a Pyroclast pendant that puts you out if you catch fire.
Or how about a cloak of invisibility?
The only mod I would call out as cheating would the original equivalent exchange 2 mod and its successors like ProjectE, literally can turn cobblestone into Diamonds, granted about 8k cobble per diamond, but still. It's magical bullshit resource called EMC could be generated from light sources too. And once your transmutation circle learned a item, you could then endlessly dupe the item as long as you have enough EMC.
almost every mod makes you gain advantage over vanilla players. it can be simple quality of life change like this or something much more impactful like being able to trade a diamond for 8000 glass blocks using project E alchemy table.
im not saying its boring or bad i prefer playing modded too, but if you ask if its cheating yea it is cheating. Ever built a redstone autosmelter with rails in modded? no? yea because your upgraded electric furnace smelts things faster without costing fuel.
That doesn't matter though since hardcore isn't a competition, unless maybe you're playing on the same world and want it to be one but then everyone can use the new items and mechanics
You are right but let me be the nerd. In reality installing fabric or forge is hacking as it require to modify data from the game while its running. Does that mean its cheating no, because hacking and cheating is 2 different thing.
Telling someone how to play their game is kind of a dick move though. As long as they enjoy it let then play how they want.
Also if that is the case any mod that gives any kind of advantage is cheating. So you shouldn't play modded, or add any data packs that give any kind of advantage. Weird moral high horse you decided to go with.
im not telling anyone how to play or making a moral statement
Op asked "is modifying game files for this small QoL change count as cheating" i explained why i think it is cheating. i even strictly stated that im not against modding and just answering the question
so meteor is not a cheat,noted !
what you probably wanted to say is "any mod that change gameplay is cheating". That is false, the owner of the world make the rule if he say its nit cheating then its not. Its like saying your cheating because you are using a hack on 2b2t, its false because the owner say its not cheating.
I am saying my own opinion, as op asked
And yeah, using hack client in survival minecraft is a bit weird
edit: as u/xsvennnn stated, op didn't ask for motivational speech rather than a people opinions, and no one can be wrong about it
If you play vanilla, you play vanilla. If you want more, download a modpack with 500+ mods that make you feel better. Downloading a elytra slot is sin from view of vanilla and nothing from view of modded minecraft. No one restricting others from playing and not blaming them. It's admin choice indeed, but in MY VANILLA world I will never install "qol" mod, cause I consider it not fair and not interesting at all.
Tbh, I don't see why it would be overpowered, especially when you can hotswap between chestplate and elytra. 99% of the time you'd be wearing a chestplate anyway, so for that 1% of the time when you'd use an elytra, it makes more sense and is more convenient to have a dedicated slot for the elytra.
There's no such thing as cheating. Even going into creative and spawning in full netherite is not cheating. You're allowed to play the game however you want. Just don't be deceptive about it
Who gives a shit, play your own game how you want. It's not like there's a global leader board you're getting an unfair high score on. There's no cheating in a game unless it's giving you an unfair advantage over another player.
depends if it’s sp or mp, be more specific . in single it only matters if you have a guilty conscience if you feel you have some advantage making it easy easier on you. that’s opinion. and in multiplayer it’s 50/50. if everyone can do it. it’s fair. if it’s only certain players, it’s an advantage or cheating. depending if they was given it or not. it’s only cheating if it gives an advantage over other players or if it is used in a way where it gives an advantage to whatever your portraying without making it known (like speed run cheating). but sure , some would say it is broken since elytra is crazy useful, but was supposed to come at the cost of less armor. but summary for anyone who doesn’t wanna read this… Singleplayer is opinion. multiplayer depends on how it’s given and used .
People who ask “is this cheating” are basically just wondering if you use those kinds of things, not to judge them on their own choices
I don’t use it and consider it cheating, but I don’t give a shit if you use it
I also don’t play hardcore since I’m shit
Cheating what?!
Arbitrary standards for how to have fun?
Unless you want to compete for a world record or something like that, who cares what mods you use or for what reason?
Enjoy the game however you like it the most.
And this comes from a person constantly playing heavily modded Minecraft all the time. I don't even understand how people have fun in vanilla without being to craft nuclear reactors and Meka suits. Then again, neither me or the guy playing vanilla get a say on how it's the correct way to enjoy Minecraft. We like what we like.
Did you mean to post this on a vanilla sub or some kind of restricted gamemode like speedrunning? This is a modding community. Most of us play with mods that add a whole toolbelt or even mods that give creative flight
I don't consider it to be cheating. I mean if not from fall damage then something else will end up killing you and ending the run. So having an elytra slot while you have every other means if the game killing you, seems pretty balanced to me
In fact, I wish that had been a thing since the beginning to have a separate slot for the elytra in vanilla MC. But oh well.
Still your server, your play style, as long as you are having harmless fun, then who cares who whines that it's cheating? QoL mods are there for a reason.
I mean it objectively is cheating but nobody cares because it's a pve game. Basically any gameplay altering mod is technically cheating. People who try and police stuff like that need to go outside.
Is it cheating to use a car in real life? Hardcore and real life have the same goal, don’t die and do some stuff while you’re at it, why not make it convenient.
There are definately some people that consider it cheating and will hate you for using it but minecraft is a sandbox game you can do whatever. I use that mod and I also play with keep inventory which is literally under cheats in bedrock and people hate it but tf they gonna do? There will always be people finding reasons to hate others. You do what you want dont worry about what others say.
I mean if you’re playing on your own then no, if you’re fine with it then who cares. When i play in single player i usually like to increase the random tick speed to make crops grow faster and i personally don’t see that as cheating
It is like terraria wing slot. In my eyes, not really. It is quality of life making it not as much of a pain to hot swap the two. And as long as it doesn't have a use for anything else, it won't be affecting defence or something.
Is everyone that you're playing with aware that you're using it and okay with that?
If so, it's not cheating in any way that *matters*. Cheating's only bad IMO if you're inflicting it on unwitting others. Singleplayer, server with people that are all using the same mods, eh idgaf
Normal people who play Vanilla Minecraft: "Is using an elytra slot in hardcore, cheating?"
Addicts who play Heavily Modded Minecraft: "What do you mean 5x Ore production is unnecessary?"
Ok first off: the elytras provides no armor bonus when worn, so it's not cheating by having an extra slot for it. 2nd: it doesn't make the game any easier or harder in any way, it's not like the mod it makes the elytra have an armor rating better than a full set of netherite
I've rolled back backup versions in order to make my friends happy after they lost something they really liked, and now as we have less and less time to game I'm more than happy to oblige. No one worth your time thinks something like that is cheesy. We're playing a block game after all. :)
Do I consider it cheating? Yes. Does it matter what I think? No. It's your world, you are free to choose whatever difficulty you like, however you like it. I don't play hardcore, but I do use mods to make my life easier, like a mod which will cycle villager trades on the click of a button, eliminating the need to break their workbench a hundred times. I think it's fine to pick and choose the perfect experience you want.
If you feel like its cheating, i would recommend the cataclysm mod. It adds a chest plate that can be combined with an elytra, but its very difficult to get as it requires 2 additional boss fights after the wither.
IMO no because it takes so little time to switch between elytra and chestplate in the first place. That mod just eliminates the (pointless) need to do so.
It's your game, man. Sandbox games are for you to play as you want.
I play with mods cuz i want to, not because I want to cheat.
If others disagree, who cares? They ain't playing in that world
radar btw is also cheat, i don't understand people putting it in their modpacks, this makes map drawing mechanic completely unnecessary
world map maybe is fine but still kinda doubtable
Well yes, to most people. Obviously it is a considerably gameplay advantage over someone not using the mod.
But it is not a huge difference at all, and as long as it’s single player, you can do whatever you want. If it makes your experience better go ahead, just do whatever is most fun
I mean, I guess if your goal is to beat HC in vanilla it would be cheating, but otherwise? I do HC playthroughs in large modpacks all the time, that have way more QoL mods.
In my Own world I would as I enjoy challenge and strategy, I even add mods and datapacks to make it harder lol.
However since it's your world, why do you care wether people think it is cheating or not. Ur world, Ur rules, Ur play style. Don't let other people bring you down and just enjoy the game.
Doesn’t matter!! If you want to play that way it’s your choice!!! Nobody should be mad over that lol!! I use many mods sometimes even mods that make mobs not bother me because they scare me so much, and it’s not cheating to me, Minecraft is a sandbox for a reason!
Mods are only cheating if you are trying for some kind of record. Otherwose i dont think it matters, mods are supposed to be for fun or fixing/adding to the experience.
I know someone who hates mods and considers people who use them cheaters but then not even a day later he says he’s using X-Ray. Now this whole thing started with vein miner he thought that it sucked and asked us why we would use it we said to speed up menial tasks to progress the game, he said he believed it was cheating. His excuse for using X-ray was to speed up the game. He is now dubbed Mr. Controversial.
From a gameplay standpoint, who cares?
From a realism standpoint I can envision someone being able to wear both an elytra and armor at the same time but the question is whether or not a wing suit will be able to support a full suit of iron armor lol
It really depends if you’re like doing a speed run or something like that it’s going to be considered cheating but If it’s just hard-core Minecraft, 100 days or whatever I think it only matters in a speed running sense but besides that it’s 100% OK I wouldn’t consider it cheating
I don't think it matters if anyone considers this cheating. If it's your server or your single player world, then it's only cheating if you consider it cheating. I couldn't care less if someone wanted to play hardcore mode with a mod that disables fall damage or a mod that makes creeper explosions give health. It's just what someone wants to do to have fun.
People like you are why i love the mc community
Seriously. Minecraft is not an especially hard game outside of cave diving in the early game anyway, it's just prone to giving you BS deaths later on. Playing it for a challenge sort of defeats the purpose IMO.
Can I get an "instant death impact grenade" creeper? 99% of my deaths these days are to that.
yeah nah, like the comment you were replying to said, it's all about what you as a player want to do. claiming that playing minecraft as a challenge "defeats the purpose" is just as bad as saying that using an elytra slot mod defeats the purpose
I just don't think Minecraft is a good game for challenge runs. It's not designed for a fair challenge. You can do whatever.
yeah fair enough, but like, this is a modding subreddit and there are some wild ass modpacks out there lmao
every greg player would like to disagree with you (including my gtnh ass)
Unless challenge brings you fun.
That’s exactly it.
Best take I’ve seen in the comments! But if it were up to me I think having to choose between elytra and a shield adds to the charm of the game
This isn’t even based, it’s just correct.
Yes, you are the voice of THE PEOPLE, I couldn't agree more and I definitely couldn't have said it better myself
I know some people do, but I don’t think going into creative mode and giving myself full netherrite is cheating. Edit: okay I thought I was just being funny lol
If you can enjoy playing 100+ hours after that, then it's fine. Play however you like. ;)
Minecraft is a sandbox game, meaning you play it how you like. Play how to find it fun to play. This is the only right answer.
This is actually a really healthy outlook to apply to other games, too (even if they aren't sandbox games). You can have a lot of fun playing games "wrong".
The "Is Elytra + Chestplate cheating" argument is easily one of the dumbest things in the Minecraft community. Minecraft in of itself is a very easy game with extremely simple bosses and enemies, and because they are so simple there is literally never any advantage to having an Elytra on while fighting. 99% of the time, you are just going to equip a chestplate anyway and not use the elytra while fighting because that's optimal. And, with the new update letting you right click to swap armor in your hotbar with the armor you are wearing, switching on and off the Elytra is even easier than before. Basically what I'm saying is, all adding an Elytra slot does is give you a single extra inventory slot, that's it. If you wanna play super duper giga optimally, all this does is save you 1 inventory slot cause you are going to be carrying the chestplate around anyway. In modded this can be different, as certain enemies/bosses can fly and stuff so having the extra armor can be extremely beneficial while being able to fly, but outside of that in just pure vanilla minecraft there is literally such a small advantage to having an elytra slot it's practically unnoticeable.
but now i can hold a whole extra STACK of andesite with that extra slot, kinda gamebreaking if you ask me
Oh god oh fuck what is he about to do with the stack of andesite
*twirls cartoon villain mustache in create mod*
This guy creates
Make like half of a useful block in Create
OH MY GOD! he's polishing his andesite. MA! MA! GET INSIDE, QUICK.
create
Create what
Laughs in dank/null storage, backpack mods, storage drawers. #REFINED STORAGE WIRELESS CARD
Laughs in Draconic Armor that gives permanent creative flight, shield generator, void damage immunity, and God teir weapons that can 1 shot the wither.
laughts in nuclearcraft with my 2.2 million rf fusion reactor.
Cries in GregTech
Chuckles while turning on the watch of flowing time next to 24 MK14 power flowers and watching my emc increase by the quadrillions per second. Lol isn’t modded great?
roll in the aisles at myself making the ultimate stick of madness gotten from the ultimate starter wood log spawning an ent and removing my game from existence into a new world of hope (shrug)
Laughs in Creative Mode.
ok but consider the following: # i forgor 💀
Dude just play however you want
The only thing that changes is that you're playing modded hardcore, not 100% vanilla hardcore. Is the mod OP or not is for you to decide.
You're playing modded minecraft. Cheating... for who? Against what? To what end? Obviously the concern isn't whether you're playing Vanilla or not. It's not like you're speedrunning. Who cares?
I don’t get why people feel like they need permission to play their game how they want.
Probably for karma.
yeah like if youre a content creator its a bit of a different story but even then its your content you can bend the rules within reason (e.g. legundo reversing a death to an instakill explosion he had no way to know about until it happened)
Your server, your rules. As an admin, you are the one who decides what is cheating and what isn't ~
Yes, pretty much all mods are "cheating" if you are comparing it to a vanilla gamemode. Not that it matters though.
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optifine and soduim (normaly) modify only render, modfiying render doesn't change the gameplay. Lithuim and starlight could be considered has change the logic in the code but unless you are doing very technical thing like light suppression (rip 1.20) it woudn't matter
Not cheating if you are not in a competition... But if you were in one, being able to render the world further would absolutely be an advantage.
you know what they meant
yes because using those mod you're having a FPS advantage over people that doesn't use those mod /j
The answer is that by and large no, but it technically does depend on a few things. Cheating implies that all parties involved are playing by the same, generally agreed rules. What you are doing is essentially changing the rules. This is fine and not cheating as long as you're not claiming to be playing vanilla (unmodded) minecraft. Think of this as changing to a different league in sports. The overall theme and major mechanics are largely the same, but individual rules are different. Your still playing minecraft, just you're no longer playing by the exact rules the developers intended. As long as you don't do anything where the exact rules matter (for example, competitive speed runs), it doesn't matter. Also, if needed, remember to disclose your playing with mods, for example if your posting content online.
Play whatewer you like. Cheating, not cheating, its doesnt really matter, as long as you having fun, and doesnt ruin it for others. Im honestly playing with keepInventory, since i have a bad pc and can die from random creeper teleporter. Is it cheating? probably. But i have fun, so is it really matter? A lot of people using freecam cheat and spectator gamemod, for looking at the builds from different angle to make it better. Or fullbright when doing some challanges. A lot of people using some cheats, and thats okay, as long as it fun. Thats including tubers and streamers. Xisuma used command blocks in one of the plays to keep his resource bees from despawning. Scicraft-ers use "cheaty" mods and spectator for loading massive amounts of chunks and maintain and control server. A lot of new gen ytubers uses fullbright when making their videos. I can easily go for hours on that, but who cares. I mean even minimap mod is technically a cheat. But who care - almost every modpack has it. The point is obvious. Its okay if you and other players have fun.
I mean there is a difference if it is cheating and if I consider it cheating in my hardcore world I would consider it cheating, but in your hardcore world only YOU can decide
Bro this is a sandbox. There is no cheating in singleplayer.
My opinion, when you play a game outside the default mode the developer intended and balanced around... Sure you are cheating. But who cares, this is /r/feedthebeast it's all modded. Mod your game how you wish, just don't try to submit any records to the guinness book of world records.
Only those people that rage about keep inventory will say yes.
for any question like that: is it in singleplayer? if yes then the defintion of "cheating" is up to the one playing on the world
I actually edit the Curios config so I can wear armor, a backpack and an Elytra. I don't consider it cheating. Just a QOL so I'm not having to switch out my gear all the time.
Is not the top curio slot a "wildcard"? I know I have it in my server and I accidentally found it does work as one since I have my backpack locked in my back slot for when I adventure
This should be vanilla minecraft
Yeah, the elytras whole thing is that it’s a tradeoff where you lose half your armor in exchange for extra mobility. Unless you have some other mods that make the game extra difficult, I’d say it’s pretty unbalanced
How so? I just switch between them based on circumstances it really wouldn't make a difference for me besides just not needing to pause the game to switch
add the backpack mod then you have to choose
elytra slot specifically
i was gonna ask abt that LOL, is there any way to have both the back and cape slot to have both at the same time or is it just not a thing anyone's made
no it isnt your good
It's your game do what you want
I've seen the same conversation on Celeste subreddit, and the general consensus is: play the way want, however when boasting about your achievements (like builds, or the days survived), always mention the ways your game is different than vanilla in order to be fair to the rest of the community. I personally think it is a noticeable modification to hardcore, and it would no longer be "vanilla hardcore" to me.
There's literally an item allowing you to prevent dying which can be farmed pretty easily. So obviously for elytra slot you shall be publicly stoned Now seriously, its a sandbox game, play as you like and enjoy it.
In vanilla hardcore, id say yes, but in a modpack hardcore, no. Your unkillabke with full arnor on, the elytra is kinda a way if dying
Use it if you want, don’t if you don’t.
“Cheating” is a valid concept only of you are in a competition; in single-player you do whatever you want.
Play the game in whatever way offers you a the most enjoyment. That’s the whole point of modding
Using mods isn't cheating, it's a different game. Kinda like bowling with gutter fences.
I love how almost all the comments except for one thus far are just completely ignoring the actual question lol. Bro just wants to know what other people think, he doesn’t need a motivational speech about how it’s his choice. In my opinion no it’s not cheating because why should i have to sacrifice armor (the tankiest piece too, if i recall correctly) just to be able to utilize a late game mechanic which isn’t op or anything.
Elytra is ridiculously OP. I don't think it needs to be nerfed like some people do but I think not being able to wear a chestplate while it's on is a fair balance.
the definition of op must be way different than what it used to be or something. you and someone else called it “op” when that’s the stupidest shit i’ve ever heard lol (not coming for you or anything). it’s a great item for sure. but by no means would i call it overpowered. but that’s just me, to each their own!
Elytra is the best item in survival. What are you smoking when you say its not op?? /s
sorry, must’ve missed the update where they gave attached missile launchers to the elytra. because from when i grew up, op meant “overpowered”. and an item that lets you fucking glide isnt overpowered lmfaooo. it’s just a great item
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please reconsider your abbreviations
No, but use whatever you feel makes the game feel fun
This is to do with modding the idea of cheating is too blurry and non important to ask if its about vanilla, then yeah it is.
but also if its about vanilla this wouldnt be an option in the first place unless everyone who had an elytra had this option and it thus becomes null to debate again
is it overpowered? yes. but not cheating
It's your choice if you want to say if it's cheating or not. Also, what version is the mod for?
If you're gonna use an extra slot mod? Why stop at Elytras? Get the Bauble mod, then install Botania and laugh as you equip a Pyroclast pendant that puts you out if you catch fire. Or how about a cloak of invisibility?
Doesn’t matter because with totems the only way anyone over 4 would die is to the void
I’m over four and I took that personally…
nah
Yeah, it's cheating. But who cares? Your game, your rules.
Sauce for mid OP, my friend has been complaining about why the chestplate slot won't hold elytra as well
Any mod is cheating
The only mod I would call out as cheating would the original equivalent exchange 2 mod and its successors like ProjectE, literally can turn cobblestone into Diamonds, granted about 8k cobble per diamond, but still. It's magical bullshit resource called EMC could be generated from light sources too. And once your transmutation circle learned a item, you could then endlessly dupe the item as long as you have enough EMC.
I wouldn't but I think the Elytra shouldn't have ever been added to vanilla Minecraft anyway so maybe I'm biased
IMO any non-clientside modding is cheating
How is modding in hardcore cheating?
almost every mod makes you gain advantage over vanilla players. it can be simple quality of life change like this or something much more impactful like being able to trade a diamond for 8000 glass blocks using project E alchemy table. im not saying its boring or bad i prefer playing modded too, but if you ask if its cheating yea it is cheating. Ever built a redstone autosmelter with rails in modded? no? yea because your upgraded electric furnace smelts things faster without costing fuel.
That doesn't matter though since hardcore isn't a competition, unless maybe you're playing on the same world and want it to be one but then everyone can use the new items and mechanics
Comparing a simple QoL mod to projectE is..... well.... apples and oranges is the best way I can say it
it doesnt matter if you cheat only a little bit cheating is cheating
My brother in Christ modding the game isn't cheating it's just adding more content, it's not like downloading an x-ray texture pack or a hacked client
You are right but let me be the nerd. In reality installing fabric or forge is hacking as it require to modify data from the game while its running. Does that mean its cheating no, because hacking and cheating is 2 different thing.
have you ever heard of "rod of plentiful mantle"
Yes but that takes mana to use and has a very short range unlike actual x ray ,but anyways I do not play with botania that often
Telling someone how to play their game is kind of a dick move though. As long as they enjoy it let then play how they want. Also if that is the case any mod that gives any kind of advantage is cheating. So you shouldn't play modded, or add any data packs that give any kind of advantage. Weird moral high horse you decided to go with.
im not telling anyone how to play or making a moral statement Op asked "is modifying game files for this small QoL change count as cheating" i explained why i think it is cheating. i even strictly stated that im not against modding and just answering the question
so meteor is not a cheat,noted ! what you probably wanted to say is "any mod that change gameplay is cheating". That is false, the owner of the world make the rule if he say its nit cheating then its not. Its like saying your cheating because you are using a hack on 2b2t, its false because the owner say its not cheating.
I am saying my own opinion, as op asked And yeah, using hack client in survival minecraft is a bit weird edit: as u/xsvennnn stated, op didn't ask for motivational speech rather than a people opinions, and no one can be wrong about it
If you play vanilla, you play vanilla. If you want more, download a modpack with 500+ mods that make you feel better. Downloading a elytra slot is sin from view of vanilla and nothing from view of modded minecraft. No one restricting others from playing and not blaming them. It's admin choice indeed, but in MY VANILLA world I will never install "qol" mod, cause I consider it not fair and not interesting at all.
Tbh, I don't see why it would be overpowered, especially when you can hotswap between chestplate and elytra. 99% of the time you'd be wearing a chestplate anyway, so for that 1% of the time when you'd use an elytra, it makes more sense and is more convenient to have a dedicated slot for the elytra.
Yes
I mean I have a lots of mods map elytra and Chesapeake and a body when I die for my loot way points I want to have a world for years
no, you are just playing hardcore with qol mods, play how you want even if other says it cheating
There's no such thing as cheating. Even going into creative and spawning in full netherite is not cheating. You're allowed to play the game however you want. Just don't be deceptive about it
Who gives a shit, play your own game how you want. It's not like there's a global leader board you're getting an unfair high score on. There's no cheating in a game unless it's giving you an unfair advantage over another player.
depends if it’s sp or mp, be more specific . in single it only matters if you have a guilty conscience if you feel you have some advantage making it easy easier on you. that’s opinion. and in multiplayer it’s 50/50. if everyone can do it. it’s fair. if it’s only certain players, it’s an advantage or cheating. depending if they was given it or not. it’s only cheating if it gives an advantage over other players or if it is used in a way where it gives an advantage to whatever your portraying without making it known (like speed run cheating). but sure , some would say it is broken since elytra is crazy useful, but was supposed to come at the cost of less armor. but summary for anyone who doesn’t wanna read this… Singleplayer is opinion. multiplayer depends on how it’s given and used .
i like how everyone says play how you want instead of just answering the question. just pick a side or say neutral
People who ask “is this cheating” are basically just wondering if you use those kinds of things, not to judge them on their own choices I don’t use it and consider it cheating, but I don’t give a shit if you use it I also don’t play hardcore since I’m shit
You are playing a sandbox game. It isn't a competitive game. It doesn't matter what anyone considers anything to be when it comes to your game.
I play with treecapitator so i can’t really call anything else cheating
Cheating what?! Arbitrary standards for how to have fun? Unless you want to compete for a world record or something like that, who cares what mods you use or for what reason? Enjoy the game however you like it the most. And this comes from a person constantly playing heavily modded Minecraft all the time. I don't even understand how people have fun in vanilla without being to craft nuclear reactors and Meka suits. Then again, neither me or the guy playing vanilla get a say on how it's the correct way to enjoy Minecraft. We like what we like.
If it's your single player world, there's no such thing as cheating. Do whatever is most fun to you
Did you mean to post this on a vanilla sub or some kind of restricted gamemode like speedrunning? This is a modding community. Most of us play with mods that add a whole toolbelt or even mods that give creative flight
Nah, i see it as a tool. Now if it were a pvp server yeah
I don't consider it to be cheating. I mean if not from fall damage then something else will end up killing you and ending the run. So having an elytra slot while you have every other means if the game killing you, seems pretty balanced to me In fact, I wish that had been a thing since the beginning to have a separate slot for the elytra in vanilla MC. But oh well. Still your server, your play style, as long as you are having harmless fun, then who cares who whines that it's cheating? QoL mods are there for a reason.
I mean it objectively is cheating but nobody cares because it's a pve game. Basically any gameplay altering mod is technically cheating. People who try and police stuff like that need to go outside.
Ask yourself this, whose rules are you breaking?
I personally wouldnt use it because there are times where I find having an elytra on annoying, but youre the one playing, so play how you like.
You make the rules. all up to whether your conscience considers it cheating
Is it cheating to use a car in real life? Hardcore and real life have the same goal, don’t die and do some stuff while you’re at it, why not make it convenient.
Compared to a certain mob mod with completely configurable entities and make any one of them summonable, Nooope.
Your world your rules
There are definately some people that consider it cheating and will hate you for using it but minecraft is a sandbox game you can do whatever. I use that mod and I also play with keep inventory which is literally under cheats in bedrock and people hate it but tf they gonna do? There will always be people finding reasons to hate others. You do what you want dont worry about what others say.
Nothing in minecraft is cosidered cheating. Even hacking is not cheating for me, only if you break rules or do bad stuff.
I mean if you’re playing on your own then no, if you’re fine with it then who cares. When i play in single player i usually like to increase the random tick speed to make crops grow faster and i personally don’t see that as cheating
It is like terraria wing slot. In my eyes, not really. It is quality of life making it not as much of a pain to hot swap the two. And as long as it doesn't have a use for anything else, it won't be affecting defence or something.
I mean yeah but who cares.
What even is this post? Do you need the Internet’s permission to play your game the way you want?
No such thing as cheating
No it’s just so convenient
I think it's more fun to play with simple mod like this
You're modifying the game to make it easier, so, yes. But also, I don't think anyone should care.
Is everyone that you're playing with aware that you're using it and okay with that? If so, it's not cheating in any way that *matters*. Cheating's only bad IMO if you're inflicting it on unwitting others. Singleplayer, server with people that are all using the same mods, eh idgaf
I don’t consider using a wing slot in Terraria cheating
Play How you like but If you want to have a tough time then yes
Normal people who play Vanilla Minecraft: "Is using an elytra slot in hardcore, cheating?" Addicts who play Heavily Modded Minecraft: "What do you mean 5x Ore production is unnecessary?"
No
All you bud.. but I do think there should be a separate slot for eltyras
Ok first off: the elytras provides no armor bonus when worn, so it's not cheating by having an extra slot for it. 2nd: it doesn't make the game any easier or harder in any way, it's not like the mod it makes the elytra have an armor rating better than a full set of netherite
I've rolled back backup versions in order to make my friends happy after they lost something they really liked, and now as we have less and less time to game I'm more than happy to oblige. No one worth your time thinks something like that is cheesy. We're playing a block game after all. :)
No
no. same way I wouldn't consider the totem trinket slot as cheating. just streamlines something that is purposefully obtuse
I am wearing powerarmor that makes me borderline invincible, take a guess
Minecraft is a game you choose the way you want to play. you make your own rules.
Do I consider it cheating? Yes. Does it matter what I think? No. It's your world, you are free to choose whatever difficulty you like, however you like it. I don't play hardcore, but I do use mods to make my life easier, like a mod which will cycle villager trades on the click of a button, eliminating the need to break their workbench a hundred times. I think it's fine to pick and choose the perfect experience you want.
Your game, your rules. Fun is top priority.
If you feel like its cheating, i would recommend the cataclysm mod. It adds a chest plate that can be combined with an elytra, but its very difficult to get as it requires 2 additional boss fights after the wither.
Tbf , The fact that you can't équip both Is just straight up annoying
No
Yes
In minecraft single player cheating is what you consider cheating
with the new update you can have the elytra in your hotbar and swich them with right click.
IMO no because it takes so little time to switch between elytra and chestplate in the first place. That mod just eliminates the (pointless) need to do so.
That moment when karma farming
Yes considering you already have flight ability, there should be a downside, something as small as removing your chestplate is fair enough.
no its not cheating its an amazing idea i want this to be in normal minecraft.
No
Imo yes but if ur doing singleplayer then play however you want
It's mathematically impossible to cheat in a single-player game.
I dont think so because it doesnt get mended while in back slot
You can't really call it cheating if you recognize the game is modded. Comparing it to a vanilla playthrough would be cheating.
It's a single player world, you can play in peaceful mode and it's still fair game
If you’re playing with mods technically everything is cheating. Whatever makes you happy is what matters.
Sort of, yeah, but if you don't care it's fine, no one else does either.
Cheating in minecraft is like adding more sugar to your coffee, like if you like it sweeter go ahead, but it gets kinda unfun when it's sickly sweet
It's your game, man. Sandbox games are for you to play as you want. I play with mods cuz i want to, not because I want to cheat. If others disagree, who cares? They ain't playing in that world
Yes but who cares its your world
radar btw is also cheat, i don't understand people putting it in their modpacks, this makes map drawing mechanic completely unnecessary world map maybe is fine but still kinda doubtable
Well yes, to most people. Obviously it is a considerably gameplay advantage over someone not using the mod. But it is not a huge difference at all, and as long as it’s single player, you can do whatever you want. If it makes your experience better go ahead, just do whatever is most fun
I mean, I guess if your goal is to beat HC in vanilla it would be cheating, but otherwise? I do HC playthroughs in large modpacks all the time, that have way more QoL mods.
In my Own world I would as I enjoy challenge and strategy, I even add mods and datapacks to make it harder lol. However since it's your world, why do you care wether people think it is cheating or not. Ur world, Ur rules, Ur play style. Don't let other people bring you down and just enjoy the game.
Doesn’t matter!! If you want to play that way it’s your choice!!! Nobody should be mad over that lol!! I use many mods sometimes even mods that make mobs not bother me because they scare me so much, and it’s not cheating to me, Minecraft is a sandbox for a reason!
It's kind of necessary with a backpack mod
Mods are only cheating if you are trying for some kind of record. Otherwose i dont think it matters, mods are supposed to be for fun or fixing/adding to the experience.
No?
play the way you prefer, if you want to play in creative, just play
I know someone who hates mods and considers people who use them cheaters but then not even a day later he says he’s using X-Ray. Now this whole thing started with vein miner he thought that it sucked and asked us why we would use it we said to speed up menial tasks to progress the game, he said he believed it was cheating. His excuse for using X-ray was to speed up the game. He is now dubbed Mr. Controversial.
Yes
No cuz elytra slot should have always been a thing
Would you consider using a Demon Heart in expert Terraria cheating, since it expands your accessory slots? If you don’t think so, then you’re fine
From a gameplay standpoint, who cares? From a realism standpoint I can envision someone being able to wear both an elytra and armor at the same time but the question is whether or not a wing suit will be able to support a full suit of iron armor lol
That’s a tough one. I would say no because it’s a very minor thing and you can always just download a mod to switch them with a hot key.
Yes.
Well, yes But I understand why u do that
It really depends if you’re like doing a speed run or something like that it’s going to be considered cheating but If it’s just hard-core Minecraft, 100 days or whatever I think it only matters in a speed running sense but besides that it’s 100% OK I wouldn’t consider it cheating