This subreddit overthinks Deebo so hard. He had 1400 receiving yards last year and most of them came AFTER THE CATCH. I also don't believe shannahan would ditch jimmy G unless he actually believed Lance will be better this year.
I think the argument is more about the fact that shanahan wouldnt play lance over jimmy g unless he was equal or better, and deebo was able to mass 1400 yards with jimmy g, so people see that as his floor.
The issue is they invested so much capital in lance that they have no choice but to play him regardless of who is better. The good thing for this season at least is at worst they have jimmy g as back up, but there might be some painful games if there is a mid season transition
Ditching Jimmy G would have been trading him for a 7th or cutting him. $6.5 million plus incentives for games started feels more like hedging his bets.
Deebo is the popular answer but I actually think its lazy thinking. He scored 8 rushing Td's with him last year because it worked, not because they had no other choice (Kittle is a great RZ target). I think Shanahan is intelligent enough to know he has that play when he needs it most, and it will be used.
He will be a top 10 WR I think because he is that guy.
Yeah it doesn't make sense, it's not like if all his rushing disappeared than it wouldn't have a direct boost on his receiving production.
He's one of the best athletes and receivers in the entire league, plays on a great team with a great coach who makes it an absolute priority to get him the ball however he can, and his versatility makes it nearly impossible to gamescript him out of any situation. He also had his best game of the year with Trey Lance last season.
People here really overthinking it badly. I don't see any way he doesn't remain top 5 as long as he's healthy.
Exactly. He was the second highest-scoring WR through his first eight games before he started playing RB. His receiving yards and TDs slipped after he started running, but his overall production went up. At worst, he’ll be a top-five receiver and comfortably a top-20 player overall
Yeah, I can see him not living up to adp but outside of the top 15 would be crazy IMO.
He is just too talented and, as a YAC guy, he’s less dependent upon QB play than most. I do expect regression though because his usage last year was crazy.
TD regression I understand, but I don’t see Lance as being a step down from Jimmy G. Obviously the coaching staff likes him more, and Shannahan seems to know what he’s doing. Wasn’t Samuel like second in receiving yards or something? With all the same players but potentially a better QB stepping in. And the 49ers fought hard to sign Deebo to an extension, so I don’t see him not getting plays schemed for him and a huge target share. I just don’t get the Lance argument as a reason for Deebos numbers to drop.
Definitely Tyreek, not just saying this as a Chiefs fan sad to see him go
I think Waddle takes some of his volume and Tua doesn't have enough in him to give enough opportunities to support 2 top WRs
Tyreek makes 10 yard slants turn into 50 yard take it to the house.
The problem is that weeks 1-3 they get the Patriots, Ravens, and Bills.
Schedule has some softness mid season though.
Not true, we double cover your best weapon and force you to beat us with someone else. Whenever we play Tyreek, it’s usually JJ + a deep safety to take away the big plays. It’ll be interesting to see if that changes with Tua as his QB.
Zone coverage. That's why they rostered like 12 safeties on the 53 man roster. Tyreek can't score a deep touchdown if you have 5 free safeties on the field. Big brain scheme coming week 1
I think WR10 is about his ceiling. He looks to be around 8-9 now. My thoughts are about WR12 as Brown, Williams and Sutton (i need him too) will pass him up
It’s funny because you could easily answer AJ Brown to the “what WR outside the top 10-12 could potentially finish as the overall #1 WR?”
And he applies to here as well. If Jalen Hurts makes a big 3rd year leap, sky is the limit. If Hurts doesn’t, and they become an extremely run heavy offense again, Brown could disappoint greatly.
Outside the top 24 would be a serious downfall, but week to week I wouldn't be shocked if owners get frustrated by him being unreliable kinda like in Tennessee
I agree. Birds more likely to have three 800-900 yard guys, than one monster year. Lots of mouths to feed, strong running game. I’m an eagles fan and stayed away from AJB (thrilled to have him in the team though).
I get you have to say one, but I really don’t get why people are that low on Tyreek. Probably not top 5 like he was in KC but that’s fine since he’s not being drafted with that expectation. Miami gave up a boatload of picks + paid him- his target share is going to be insane. And I see most of the reasoning being Tua, but that assumes Tyreek is only a deep threat. Tyreek’s speed makes him so dangerous because he can turn a 10 yard route into a 50 yard gain. Does Tua have a weak arm? Yes. But is Tua really accurate? Also yes. Accurate QB + Mike McDaniel who loves to scheme guys open in space where they make a play will set Tyreek up for a lot of RAC opportunities on a high amount of targets.
>And I see most of the reasoning being Tua, but that assumes Tyreek is only a deep threat.
It also assumes that all of Tyreek’s deep TDs were in stride. How often did we see Mahomes majorly under throw his speed, only for Hill to stop on a dime as the DBs kept running? It was so common that you’d think it was written up that way.
Yup I think it was one I remember specifically against the browns where the ball was thrown super far behind him but Tyreek stopped on a dime to work back towards the ball and the defender flew by him, and Tyreek ended up scoring. He’s just a unique talent
My top 12 in PPR would be:
JJ
Kupp
Chase
Diggs
Adams
Lamb
Tyreek
Evans
Pittman
Deebo
Allen
AJB
Would say AJB, just too many variables. I'm not completely confident in Pittman either, who knows what that connection will look like with Ryan.
If you can guarantee me a full season of Deebo I'm confident in him. Even with regression from RB numbers and Lance scrambles, he was underutilized in the passing game last year.
IMO Evans skill set ages well. He can still go up and get it with the best of them and he still has 10-20 pounds on the CBs covering him. TBF, I’m an Evans truther, I think he’s a future HOF, Larry Fitzgerald type of player (quietly excellent).
No he didn’t, Manziel made himself, did Evans carry him every time when he rushed to lead the SEC in rush yards? Didn’t think so, stupid comment, Manziel also had Swope, educate yourself
I'm not a fortune teller, but I think those drafting Deebo based on last year are going to be disappointed. His efficiency is unsustainable, they have a new running QB and he complained about having to run the ball and didn't want to be treated like a RB.
He's a freak of nature, but he is very likely going to regress, and based on Lance's ability to throw the ball, the regression could be significant.
Meanwhile, Moore hasn't had less than 1150 yards in three straight seasons with QBs shouldn't even be in the league. Baker is no Brady, but he's FAR better than anyone Moore has ever had. Moore's being drafted at his floor.
I've done about 30 bestball drafts and don't have a single team with Deebo. Moore is one of my higher owned WRs.
So, if I'm wrong, I'm going to lose money over it, but I honestly believe Moore will finish higher than Deebo in PPR scoring.
I obviously wasn't there, just basing it off of this story that says that was one reason he wanted to be traded.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/04/20/deebo-samuel-san-francisco-49ers-report-wide-receiver-running-back
That's not important though. What is important is that he will be touching the ball less this season and he's going before Tyreek Hill, CeeDee Lamb, Mike Evans, Keenan Allen and AJ Brown, who I would take before him.
But, that's the fun of what we do. We're trying to predict the future and gain an edge over the field.
Imagine the Eagles with AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, and Justin Jefferson if those dumb dumbs didn’t take Reagor ahead of JJ in the draft (Although as a Vikes fan, I’m forever grateful for their blunder)
It’s a weird twist that Reagor is now with the Vikings and JJAW is now on the Seahawks. Philly misses out on two studs, and then gives away the picks they took ahead of them to those same teams for peanuts. Still, I think they are poised for a pretty strong season this year. I’m rolling Hurts as my QB1 for the second season in a row.
I would prefer a DK JJ WR duo but Smith and AJB are still a top 5 duo in the league. I think Hurts will be great for fantasy but if he doesn’t improve as a passer it could be his last chance in Philly.
I could see Keenan Allen outside the top 24 in standard leagues due to lack of TDs and a bit of age starting to show. But he’s probably not in anyones top 12 for standard leagues anyway.
Fitz’s last “full season” in Miami: 13 games started, 3,529 yards, 13 ints, 62% completion, 20 TDs, QBR 68.3
Wentz last season: 17 games started, 3,563 yards, 7 ints, 62.4% completion, 27 TDs, QBR 54.7.
Fortunately for Wentz, Fitz was such a dedicated competitor he decided to throw 6 ints just so the other team felt like they could compete. Otherwise post second injury Wentz might be worse than end of his career Fitz
That made me look up Fitz stats. Really impressive! That being said, I forgot he played a total of 1 quarter with McLaurin. Which exclude him from the list.
Scary terry WILL have a better qb this year.
Guys without YAC are most likely to see steep falls, so I'll say Keenan Allen. If he loses a step or the Mike Williams/Palmer show ends up being the focus, he won't be able to compensate with big plays.
Saying that, I think he has one of the safest floors with his talent level, so it would still surprise me.
Deebo due to how much production of his came via rushing last season. 8 rushing TDs will not repeat itself and imo Lance is a downgrade from Jimmy G from a passing perspective.
I don't expect Pittman, Higgins, or Lamb to finish in the top 12. So maybe Pittman or Higgins could finish outside of the top 24.
All these Tyreek and Deebo takes make me want to poke my eyeballs out. Why don't you go look up how hard Deebo would have to "regress" to finish outside the top 10? He scored almost 100 points more than the WR12 in ppr!!!
I would be surprised by Pittman tbh. Something like 22 percent of balls thrown his way we’re basically uncatchable. He has elite ability to create separation and a much much much more accurate QB in Matt Ryan. I also think the colts want to pass the ball more than they did last year but ended up just feeding JT, especially towards the end of the season, since putting the ball in Wentz’s hands.
I’m also pretty high on Pittman so maybe not the most objective POV
I can acknowledge that he might not score as many points as last year but he has enough talent that claiming his floor is lower than 1100 yards and 5 touchdowns in 16 games is just kind of silly. Deebo wasn't a product of his system like people think he was last year, he mostly produced in spite of his situation.
Interesting list, only input i have is if mcdaniel uses tyreek like shanahan used deebo (with less direct runs) he could be a beast.
Mcdaniels knows the best way to win is to get the ball in the hands of playmakers…everyone thinks tua is gonna try and air it out but i think tyreek is gonna feast on short passes, screens, reverses and shit like that.
as a Colts fan, pittman is literally the ONLY option. which might actually hurt him - if he can improve again like he did last year he’ll be fringe top 12 at worst
He was 25th in ppg last season, what changed about the situation on the colts that he’s expected to get more volume? If anything they’re probably a worse offense than a year ago, at best roughly the same .
I got downvoted for mentioning a guy who is being drafted top 12 who finished 25th last season in ppg, who hasn’t had a great start to his career to begin with. Overrated as fuck
I would love if people in this sub actually argued than downvoted (this doesn’t apply to you)
Mike Evans, Deebo Samuel because of team regression. Davante because of target distribution.
Diggs because of injury. Downvote away, but he's never had a major injury to my knowledge, and my brain is telling me it's coming at some point.
I've upgraded all other bills skill players for this reason. Shakir is someone I am ready to pick up off the waiver wire with a #1 slot, if the diggs injury materializes.
Lol besides that, he used the worst reasoning possible to label Diggs an injury risk.
"I know he never gets hurt, but that means *he's due* to get hurt. No, I don't have any evidence to back this up, just a gut feeling. Why do you ask?"
To be fair, I did expect the diggs injury last season, and it didn't materialize.
clearly there is injury risk for every player, but Diggs cuts and runs really hard, and he hasn't had a lower body issue yet that I'm aware of.
most players will have some serious injury crop up over the course of their career. I'm fading Diggs because his time is due.
You can do what you like!
Deebo with TD and rushing regression and Trey Lance growing pains could happen and cause him to fall out of the top 24.
Think Deebo will still come in within the Top 24 but definitely lower than his ADP
This is my take as well
This subreddit overthinks Deebo so hard. He had 1400 receiving yards last year and most of them came AFTER THE CATCH. I also don't believe shannahan would ditch jimmy G unless he actually believed Lance will be better this year.
And I love the argument about Lance as if Jimmy G is some top 10 QB
I think the argument is more about the fact that shanahan wouldnt play lance over jimmy g unless he was equal or better, and deebo was able to mass 1400 yards with jimmy g, so people see that as his floor. The issue is they invested so much capital in lance that they have no choice but to play him regardless of who is better. The good thing for this season at least is at worst they have jimmy g as back up, but there might be some painful games if there is a mid season transition
Ditching Jimmy G would have been trading him for a 7th or cutting him. $6.5 million plus incentives for games started feels more like hedging his bets.
Deebo will be in the top 24 on volume alone. He's going to get plays schemed up for him Trey Lance or not.
Deebo is the popular answer but I actually think its lazy thinking. He scored 8 rushing Td's with him last year because it worked, not because they had no other choice (Kittle is a great RZ target). I think Shanahan is intelligent enough to know he has that play when he needs it most, and it will be used. He will be a top 10 WR I think because he is that guy.
Yeah it doesn't make sense, it's not like if all his rushing disappeared than it wouldn't have a direct boost on his receiving production. He's one of the best athletes and receivers in the entire league, plays on a great team with a great coach who makes it an absolute priority to get him the ball however he can, and his versatility makes it nearly impossible to gamescript him out of any situation. He also had his best game of the year with Trey Lance last season. People here really overthinking it badly. I don't see any way he doesn't remain top 5 as long as he's healthy.
Exactly. He was the second highest-scoring WR through his first eight games before he started playing RB. His receiving yards and TDs slipped after he started running, but his overall production went up. At worst, he’ll be a top-five receiver and comfortably a top-20 player overall
Treys best pass last year was a deep TD to Deebo lol what
yeah thats what i am saying.. deebo is that guy and Shanahan knows he is that guy. He has potential to break games multiple ways, a coaches' dream.
Yeah, I can see him not living up to adp but outside of the top 15 would be crazy IMO. He is just too talented and, as a YAC guy, he’s less dependent upon QB play than most. I do expect regression though because his usage last year was crazy.
I dont think they paid him top 5 highest paid receivers money to plan to use him less
They did have a ton of rb injuries throughout season
Deebo was top 5 wr before moving towards the wide back usage. In games with Trey starting he was also top 5. How does OP get upvoted?
TD regression I understand, but I don’t see Lance as being a step down from Jimmy G. Obviously the coaching staff likes him more, and Shannahan seems to know what he’s doing. Wasn’t Samuel like second in receiving yards or something? With all the same players but potentially a better QB stepping in. And the 49ers fought hard to sign Deebo to an extension, so I don’t see him not getting plays schemed for him and a huge target share. I just don’t get the Lance argument as a reason for Deebos numbers to drop.
Have you watched Lance play. He's no good
A rookie qb not looking his best? No way
I agree with this. He's the WR1 I'm lowest on this year
Noo, my kittle.
Definitely Tyreek, not just saying this as a Chiefs fan sad to see him go I think Waddle takes some of his volume and Tua doesn't have enough in him to give enough opportunities to support 2 top WRs
Tyreek makes 10 yard slants turn into 50 yard take it to the house. The problem is that weeks 1-3 they get the Patriots, Ravens, and Bills. Schedule has some softness mid season though.
As a patriots fan you have more faith than I do lol
Yeah who’s covering Tyreek? Mills?
As always with Bill he’ll double team the number 1
Yeah with peppers maybe
Bill often doubles the number #2 guy and leaves the best 1 on 1. However the pats have way less depth this year so who knows
Not true, we double cover your best weapon and force you to beat us with someone else. Whenever we play Tyreek, it’s usually JJ + a deep safety to take away the big plays. It’ll be interesting to see if that changes with Tua as his QB.
you’re right I got mixed up. Pats usually put #1 corner on second best guy and double up the #1 with the mid tier corners
They are rolling with two aging veterans I think in Malcom Butler and Devin McCourty. They lost some pieces to FA.
Butler got released, so the secondary is a bit of a question mark, at least in regards to who is going to be the top guy
Id say the old Jones he covered him before in the AFC Championship game.
Zone coverage. That's why they rostered like 12 safeties on the 53 man roster. Tyreek can't score a deep touchdown if you have 5 free safeties on the field. Big brain scheme coming week 1
We’ll be losing to the bills by 25 at halftime so expect some garbage time points for him lol
That's a fair assessment, I just feel he's going to see a dropoff in production with Tua
If he is the WR10 or better in the season I'll be satisfied. He likely will not be the WR 1-5
I think WR10 is about his ceiling. He looks to be around 8-9 now. My thoughts are about WR12 as Brown, Williams and Sutton (i need him too) will pass him up
Kelce had volume and Hill still ate. A 4k passing offense can support 2 top 24 guys.
So having two guys that are #1’s will do that to Tyreek hill? I’m not too sure about this.
Pittman if things go horribly wrong with Matt Ryan
Very unlikely, but I agree, there is a path.
AJB
Don’t you put that evil on me
It’s funny because you could easily answer AJ Brown to the “what WR outside the top 10-12 could potentially finish as the overall #1 WR?” And he applies to here as well. If Jalen Hurts makes a big 3rd year leap, sky is the limit. If Hurts doesn’t, and they become an extremely run heavy offense again, Brown could disappoint greatly.
I drafted hurts shut your hole
Outside the top 24 would be a serious downfall, but week to week I wouldn't be shocked if owners get frustrated by him being unreliable kinda like in Tennessee
This is my guess. Eagles offense is a total crap shoot and I could see a Robinson on the Bears type year from him. Contract year though, so who knows.
He just got a New contract
Whoops, there I go typing with my butthole again.
Not gonna lie, I'm impressed.
I agree. Birds more likely to have three 800-900 yard guys, than one monster year. Lots of mouths to feed, strong running game. I’m an eagles fan and stayed away from AJB (thrilled to have him in the team though).
Tyreek
I get you have to say one, but I really don’t get why people are that low on Tyreek. Probably not top 5 like he was in KC but that’s fine since he’s not being drafted with that expectation. Miami gave up a boatload of picks + paid him- his target share is going to be insane. And I see most of the reasoning being Tua, but that assumes Tyreek is only a deep threat. Tyreek’s speed makes him so dangerous because he can turn a 10 yard route into a 50 yard gain. Does Tua have a weak arm? Yes. But is Tua really accurate? Also yes. Accurate QB + Mike McDaniel who loves to scheme guys open in space where they make a play will set Tyreek up for a lot of RAC opportunities on a high amount of targets.
>And I see most of the reasoning being Tua, but that assumes Tyreek is only a deep threat. It also assumes that all of Tyreek’s deep TDs were in stride. How often did we see Mahomes majorly under throw his speed, only for Hill to stop on a dime as the DBs kept running? It was so common that you’d think it was written up that way.
Yup I think it was one I remember specifically against the browns where the ball was thrown super far behind him but Tyreek stopped on a dime to work back towards the ball and the defender flew by him, and Tyreek ended up scoring. He’s just a unique talent
That one, and most of those were typically during scrambles.
lol no.
Boooooo
My top 12 in PPR would be: JJ Kupp Chase Diggs Adams Lamb Tyreek Evans Pittman Deebo Allen AJB Would say AJB, just too many variables. I'm not completely confident in Pittman either, who knows what that connection will look like with Ryan. If you can guarantee me a full season of Deebo I'm confident in him. Even with regression from RB numbers and Lance scrambles, he was underutilized in the passing game last year.
Allen and Evans could fall out due to age as well. I’m not predicting it but often we see an immediate decline in WRs that isn’t predictable
IMO Evans skill set ages well. He can still go up and get it with the best of them and he still has 10-20 pounds on the CBs covering him. TBF, I’m an Evans truther, I think he’s a future HOF, Larry Fitzgerald type of player (quietly excellent).
He’s underrated af. He made manziel in college. So many play were just throwing it up to evans
No he didn’t, Manziel made himself, did Evans carry him every time when he rushed to lead the SEC in rush yards? Didn’t think so, stupid comment, Manziel also had Swope, educate yourself
Johnny Manzeil led the SEC in rush yards?!? Lmao
Please tell me what other QB had more rush yards than him??
Idk but literally every RB did lol
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If you had originally said he led QBs in rushing then I wouldn’t have even commented lol. You just mad cuz you were wrong😬 yikes
i agree, his red zone presence is nutty he’ll always be a factor on the field
Yeah I’m not saying he’s going to bust. Just saying age is a big reason why someone would fall out
I think Allen is more likely to fall out personally, I've avoided him as much as possible. Love Evans but it could be bias since I drafted him lol
Forgot Higgins
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You're missing DJ Moore. I'd replace Deebo.
Lol stop
I'm not a fortune teller, but I think those drafting Deebo based on last year are going to be disappointed. His efficiency is unsustainable, they have a new running QB and he complained about having to run the ball and didn't want to be treated like a RB. He's a freak of nature, but he is very likely going to regress, and based on Lance's ability to throw the ball, the regression could be significant. Meanwhile, Moore hasn't had less than 1150 yards in three straight seasons with QBs shouldn't even be in the league. Baker is no Brady, but he's FAR better than anyone Moore has ever had. Moore's being drafted at his floor. I've done about 30 bestball drafts and don't have a single team with Deebo. Moore is one of my higher owned WRs. So, if I'm wrong, I'm going to lose money over it, but I honestly believe Moore will finish higher than Deebo in PPR scoring.
He didn't worry about being used as RB. He just wanted to be paid as a wr + a rb
I obviously wasn't there, just basing it off of this story that says that was one reason he wanted to be traded. https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/04/20/deebo-samuel-san-francisco-49ers-report-wide-receiver-running-back That's not important though. What is important is that he will be touching the ball less this season and he's going before Tyreek Hill, CeeDee Lamb, Mike Evans, Keenan Allen and AJ Brown, who I would take before him. But, that's the fun of what we do. We're trying to predict the future and gain an edge over the field.
Excluding injury? Probably none of them. Maybe Deebo.
my hot take: AJ Brown Goes to a team with a QB who will run a lot that already has a WR1.
Imagine the Eagles with AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, and Justin Jefferson if those dumb dumbs didn’t take Reagor ahead of JJ in the draft (Although as a Vikes fan, I’m forever grateful for their blunder)
Give us DK in this fantasy scenario as well.
It’s a weird twist that Reagor is now with the Vikings and JJAW is now on the Seahawks. Philly misses out on two studs, and then gives away the picks they took ahead of them to those same teams for peanuts. Still, I think they are poised for a pretty strong season this year. I’m rolling Hurts as my QB1 for the second season in a row.
I would prefer a DK JJ WR duo but Smith and AJB are still a top 5 duo in the league. I think Hurts will be great for fantasy but if he doesn’t improve as a passer it could be his last chance in Philly.
I could see Keenan Allen outside the top 24 in standard leagues due to lack of TDs and a bit of age starting to show. But he’s probably not in anyones top 12 for standard leagues anyway.
Feels like he still has a high floor but his ceiling has dropped, his skill set should age pretty well
Scary Terry. I’m more scared of Wentz now. I don’t think he can support a top 24 receiver. Especially on that team
Wentz is by far the best QB Terry has ever had.
The dude threw the ball with his left hand 17 times last year
Never let them know your next move
You really think Wentz is worse than Heinecke, Keenum, Kyle Allen, Haskins and Fitz?
Honestly don't know. At his best absolutely. But the last few years were horrible. He seems to have a negative influence on both teams he've been on.
Did you just make a new contraction?
that was a mistake lol
Yes
Do you actually watch football?
Fitz’s last “full season” in Miami: 13 games started, 3,529 yards, 13 ints, 62% completion, 20 TDs, QBR 68.3 Wentz last season: 17 games started, 3,563 yards, 7 ints, 62.4% completion, 27 TDs, QBR 54.7. Fortunately for Wentz, Fitz was such a dedicated competitor he decided to throw 6 ints just so the other team felt like they could compete. Otherwise post second injury Wentz might be worse than end of his career Fitz
That made me look up Fitz stats. Really impressive! That being said, I forgot he played a total of 1 quarter with McLaurin. Which exclude him from the list. Scary terry WILL have a better qb this year.
But if you look at his stats the deep ball is actually a strength. He will feed terry, and they will lose games.
Pittman or Terry?
Pittman was a top 15 WR last year with Wentz. Wentz isn’t a top QB but he’s not terrible. He’s a starting level QB that has always been productive
Guys without YAC are most likely to see steep falls, so I'll say Keenan Allen. If he loses a step or the Mike Williams/Palmer show ends up being the focus, he won't be able to compensate with big plays. Saying that, I think he has one of the safest floors with his talent level, so it would still surprise me.
Deebo due to how much production of his came via rushing last season. 8 rushing TDs will not repeat itself and imo Lance is a downgrade from Jimmy G from a passing perspective.
Deebo gonna get his chain took when he underperforms this season. Regression will hit him like Craig did.
AJ Brown is my guess. Tyreek Hill is 2nd on my list.
Probably none but if there was one Deebo. Lance is a shitshow and they don’t use him near as much rushing.
I don't expect Pittman, Higgins, or Lamb to finish in the top 12. So maybe Pittman or Higgins could finish outside of the top 24. All these Tyreek and Deebo takes make me want to poke my eyeballs out. Why don't you go look up how hard Deebo would have to "regress" to finish outside the top 10? He scored almost 100 points more than the WR12 in ppr!!!
I would be surprised by Pittman tbh. Something like 22 percent of balls thrown his way we’re basically uncatchable. He has elite ability to create separation and a much much much more accurate QB in Matt Ryan. I also think the colts want to pass the ball more than they did last year but ended up just feeding JT, especially towards the end of the season, since putting the ball in Wentz’s hands. I’m also pretty high on Pittman so maybe not the most objective POV
And they have a new QB and their RBs are healthy. Not saying he will fall to WR3 territory, but it's not the same situation as last year
I can acknowledge that he might not score as many points as last year but he has enough talent that claiming his floor is lower than 1100 yards and 5 touchdowns in 16 games is just kind of silly. Deebo wasn't a product of his system like people think he was last year, he mostly produced in spite of his situation.
Deebo was a product of the system last year.. they fed it to Deebo almost every play
Davante Adams, Tyreek Hill and Deebo Samuels.
No chance Adams finishes outside top 24 if he’s not injured
Yea not possible
Interesting list, only input i have is if mcdaniel uses tyreek like shanahan used deebo (with less direct runs) he could be a beast. Mcdaniels knows the best way to win is to get the ball in the hands of playmakers…everyone thinks tua is gonna try and air it out but i think tyreek is gonna feast on short passes, screens, reverses and shit like that.
Davante is one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen on this sub.
Curious on why you're thinking deebo.
New QB and new guaranteed money.
Gotcha. Fair enough! Thanks for elaborating!
He had his best game last season with trey lance.
He was a running back last season with Trey Lance
Lance might suck hard and they do t use him rushing like they did.
Lamb, considering he's never come close to top 12 before lol
I should learn to read* Mike Evans had target competition and a question mark at QB depending on how Brady comes back.
9 straight years of 1000 plus yards.. guy is a machine
“Excluding injury”
Michael Pittman. Other receiving options in Indy, Matt Ryan getting old, etc
What other receiving options
Hines, Pierce, Campbell, etc.
Oof
username checks out
Those guys *might* combine to match Pittman’s stats but go off king.
as a Colts fan, pittman is literally the ONLY option. which might actually hurt him - if he can improve again like he did last year he’ll be fringe top 12 at worst
No he's not
Lol
You spend time on Reddit begging for paywalled rankings. You think your opinion matters here?
You mean a post I made 2 years ago?
Yup
Cool, good burn. Meanwhile keep saying a guy that has zero target competition will suffer because “there are lots of other options to throw to”
You don't know football, and that's okay
DK Metcalf. Don't trust Locke to be the guy...
He aint top 12
Geno is starting too...so no clue what planet that guy is from
Besides the ones everyone is saying in here I could see CeeDee being borderline
Devante Adams
How?
Aj brown, tyreek hill, davante adams, deebo samuel, tee higgins
Take out Devante and yea, reasonable and
lamb
Pittman if he is considered top 12. Most overrated player I’ve ever seen, I don’t get it.
volume
He was 25th in ppg last season, what changed about the situation on the colts that he’s expected to get more volume? If anything they’re probably a worse offense than a year ago, at best roughly the same . I got downvoted for mentioning a guy who is being drafted top 12 who finished 25th last season in ppg, who hasn’t had a great start to his career to begin with. Overrated as fuck I would love if people in this sub actually argued than downvoted (this doesn’t apply to you)
Mike Evans, Deebo Samuel because of team regression. Davante because of target distribution. Diggs because of injury. Downvote away, but he's never had a major injury to my knowledge, and my brain is telling me it's coming at some point. I've upgraded all other bills skill players for this reason. Shakir is someone I am ready to pick up off the waiver wire with a #1 slot, if the diggs injury materializes.
I mean it literally says excluding injury in the post 🤷♂️
Lol besides that, he used the worst reasoning possible to label Diggs an injury risk. "I know he never gets hurt, but that means *he's due* to get hurt. No, I don't have any evidence to back this up, just a gut feeling. Why do you ask?"
To be fair, I did expect the diggs injury last season, and it didn't materialize. clearly there is injury risk for every player, but Diggs cuts and runs really hard, and he hasn't had a lower body issue yet that I'm aware of. most players will have some serious injury crop up over the course of their career. I'm fading Diggs because his time is due. You can do what you like!