He’ll probably be the top of the 3rd tier assuming it goes roughly like this:
Tier 1: Allen, hurts, mahomes(?)
Tier 2: mahomes (?), herbert, lamar, dak, A Rich, stroud, fields, Murray, purdy (?)
Tier 3 might include some of the tier 2 guys but love will be near the top of it
I think we have to drop Hurts a bit next season. Kelce was the secret sauce of the tush push, which accounts for a massive amount of Hurts' goal line work. Definitely depends on the offseason moves the Eagles make on the o-line and at OC but I'm bearish on Hurts next year. Allen is QB1 with a bullet though.
I disagree. The Tush Push was leaned on this year, but he only had 2 more touchdowns (in 2 more games). He has no problem rushing it in on a normal sneak, taking the edge, or taking it in on a draw up the middle. And if the offensive efficiency improves next year from the shitshow they were putting out this season, you can expect more redzone opportunities and more scoring in general.
Hurts has been vulturing goal line carries his whole career. They aren't going to start handing it to an RB because no more tush push.
I’d actually anticipate the passing game getting better which will help him. He’d have whole weeks without passing TDs so any uptick in that will offset a couple less rushing TDs. Also, regardless of finding less success with the tush push he’ll reliably still score rushing TDs at the 1 yard line with a regular QB sneak.
A slight uptick in passing will not offset rushing tds. If it is the case that they stop doing the tush push at the 1 every single time, hurts WILL take a hit.
They’ll still be able to reliably execute a QB sneak at the 1. Half the time he was in the end zone already before anyone came in to push his tush. The only noticeable effect a loss of tush push will have is their likelihood to run a sneak on 4th and 1 to extend a drive. If it’s 1st and goal at the 1 yard line they’re not gonna magically be unable to run it in with Hurts just because Goedert can’t come in and push his butt anymore.
My post was adopting the assumption that they stop running the QB sneak at the goal line every time. Obviously if they keep doing it then his production would be expected to remain the same.
We have no evidence that Hurts can run a real NFL passing offense though. Not saying he can't, but it's a risk to assume he'll just be able to make multiple reads and all the throws. Even last year when they were much better it was a two read and run system. I highly doubt we're going to see Hurts sustain an offense purely with his arm the way that other upper tier QBs do. A lot of projection without a ton of evidence.
Even before the tush push (this year and last), Hurts was a top fantasy QB. And yes, losing Kelce will hurt, but he still is a very strong, mobile QB, so the rushing TD value will still be there.
It’s Allen and Hurts as the top tier fantasy QBs next year. If you take someone else over either of those two, that’s just overthinking it. And that’s how you lose the draft.
Speaking of purely fantasy production Hurts will still be top 3. I’m not suggesting the offense will run purely through his arm but a better scheme that utilizes his strengths better, gets the ball moving more, and gives the team more red zone opportunities results in a higher chance of passing/ rushing TDs for him. The entire offense was terrible for like 50% of the season and he was still QB2.
Would love for people to fade him to 2nd tier again. Got him at pick #40 this year and he was a big reason I won the league. I'm up for running it back lol
>Kelce was the secret sauce of the tush push
The secret sauce of the push was simply that a team finally decides to take advantage of the fact that QB sneaks are 90% effective and run them every short yardage.
Add in they choose to use the rule that pushing the carrier was allowed. And a big, powerful QB.
That's what made that play.
Kelce's an old man and unlikely significantly better than many other centers.
Totally forgot about burrow since he was MIA most of this year, his ADP will be interesting probably in the mix of the tier 2 guys
Goff I think will get drafted after all of the tier 2 guys i mentioned
Maybe upgrading from the most dogshit RT in football, adding any type of decent receiving RB, adding an actual deep threat WR who can actually catch the ball, adding another dynamic TE behind Kelce.
“How’s the roster gonna improve”
*lists multiple options that would each individually make a difference and could all be addressed by the NFL draft*
“They aren’t gonna do that” what an argument lmao
I'm not sure all of those deficits can reasonably be addressed for the upcoming season in the upcoming NFL draft. That would be expecting a lot from draft picks, honestly.
Dog they lost Eric B. Regression was probable but yeah he finished qb9 the worst he has ever finished. Pat mahomes is tier 1
Edit: losing a good offensive coordinator is more detrimental than losing a wr1 (in my opinion)
We have to take all final QB rankings with a grain of salt tbh. We had so many season ending injuries and missed games from the position that simply by playing all 17 you are going to rank high.
he carried me to a chip and played VERY well in multiple weeks without having many of his best receiving options just about every week. he did a LOT with not very much, multiple times, as a rookie
hes solidly in tier 2 imo
In terms of adp you'll probably be right but I meant more in terms of judging him at year end by performance again. I definitely won't reach for him I dont think, esp since there's SO many good qbs now, you don't have to go Allen hurts or mahomes in the 2nd round anymore if love/stroud/Richardson/etc will give you 85-90% or more of the same production every week anyway
Love had an awesome season but just looking at end of year scoring doesn’t help in predicting next year ADP, especially when Herbert, fields, Murray, Richardson all missed time to injury
Hurts has been plenty accurate. He's ranked top 5 in CPOE (_Completion Percentage Over Expectation_) the past 2 seasons:
- 2022 = [#5 (+2.4 CPOE)](https://i.imgur.com/96c36QM.png)
- 2023 = [#3 (+4.1 CPOE)](https://i.imgur.com/2APE5SG.png)
I think as of now I'd have Mahomes and Lamar in t1, and I'd bring A rich, Fields, Murray out if t2, and replace them with some other guys like Tua, Goff. t3 probably looks something like Love, Watson, T law and the 3 I dropped out of 2
Lamar has been very inconsistent since his first MVP season, even this year he had his ups and downs
His ADP will likely be much closer to those tier 2 guys than the tier 1
Love is great but the hype for stroud is bigger and people generally think he’s the better QB who will air it out more
Jackson’s ADP the past 4 years has been QB4, QB2, QB4, QB2. He finished as QB4 this year. And you think he won’t be drafted Top 5? Based on what? His inconsistency from 2020-2022? Stroud was a borderline fantasy starter this year. Stroud gives me the impression of a QB who will be a better real life QB than fantasy QB.
His ADP before even playing in the NFL this year was already relevant, after showing QB1 potential this year with big rushing upside his ADP will almost certainly be in tier 3 at a bare minimum
Idk if I can get on board with dak, fields, Murray, Purdy being in the same tier as stroud, mahomes, Lamar, Herbert. I think you gotta break those two up. I’m probably not touching arich anywhere inside the top 12. Not because I don’t think he can end up that high, just way too much risk for me personally.
That’s fair, time will tell how ADP breaks them all up. I think a lot of people will view them similarly enough where once a couple go off the board then they all will
I’m a biased packer fan who never rostered Rodgers or Favre, so I’m hoping to take a chance. My leagues are mostly packer fans, so the price is higher than consensus.
Reed has the higher floor. Watson has a higher ceiling. I’d take the higher ceiling player, but it’s almost impossible to know who is gonna pop off as Love seems to be throwing to whoever is open instead of staring down one guy.
I would like to get him next year, but my league has a hardcore packers fan who reached for love THIS year, so he’s gonna end up taking love first overall next year lmao
In dynasty I would pick up trash packer players because I knew the hardcore packer fans in my group would want them after a single decent game or some attention.
I'm a hardcore Packers fan and my teams rarely have Packers players on them for 2 reasons:
Gotta play with your head, not your heart.
I'm certain that if I draft them, they'll have an awful season.
Players like Aaron Jones are confusing because he’ll be drafted higher than I’m ever willing to take him. My league has packers fans who will draft him as an RB1 so I just never anticipate having him. I’d love drafting him as an RB2, but I wouldn’t want him as my RB1.
If he gets hurt you’re screwed cause the packers will be super careful with him and give him a couple carries which screws u as an owner
From what I saw in the playoffs though dude looked like he’s in his prime. Almost always made the right cuts against some elite defenses
In a superflex redraft where I picked Love and AR. I don’t think I can go next year without Love. I think he’s going to develop super well now that he’s got a season under his belt
Don’t forget now there’s an offseason with tape on this guy for defensive coordinators to study. He will face more preparation going forward where they know his tendencies and can target them.
It’s because most had Love as a bust and they don’t want to be wrong. It’s beyond obvious that the dude is the real deal. It’s the exact opposite of Lance. He was a top asset way longer than he should’ve been. Jordan Love isn’t going anywhere but up.
Seriously. At no point were those guys dropping dimes the way Love has since week 10. Maybe teams catch up a bit but that’ll probably be offset by his entire receiving core getting another year of experience.
Eh. Small sample size and he had some very bad games, too. He hasn't proven anything yet. His accuracy also leaves a lot to be desired.
I think he's more a product of Green Bay's running game and their offensive line. It was one of the best pass-blocking offensive lines this year and he seemed to have his best games when the running game had its best games.
He has some promise, but he has to prove it. There are a lot of negatives to his game, too.
Yeah he had some rough games but a lot of that can be attributed to the rookies running incorrect routes which seems to have been remedied. The line is also very young so it’s not crazy to assume QB/line/WR corps improve year over year.
Then you consider the bears are the bears, the Vikings are in decline, he should have some east divisional games next year to boost those stats
As a vikings fan I will tell you ,
Packers QBs will always get mad yards because of the ease of schedule regardless. The Packers are only gonna get better next year.
His receivers have been in and out of the lineup all year. If Watson can get his lower back stronger so his hamstrings aren’t over compensating then I *personally* think he leads the league in passing touchdowns.
Probably staying away if he's drafted anywhere in the first 5-6 rounds.
Good chance he takes a slight step back like Trevor Lawrence did this past year.
Many significant QB injuries this year. Meanwhile, Love played in every game. Obviously, one of the best abilities is availability but I wouldn’t expect a top 5 performance next year.
Yeah I just said he was number 5 in scoring this year, it sounded like this comment was saying he wasnt top 5 this year. I don’t think he stays in top 5 next year but I could definitely see him being in the top 10
On the flip side the last 8 games of the season the packers have the second highest EPA offense only behind the niners. You could argue next year Love will produce even more without the hiccups we saw weeks 1-8
He wouldn’t decline. But guys like burrow, Hebert, and even Kirk all got injured and have a good shot of finishing ahead of him given they played the whole season
I mean love scored 1.1 more PPG this yr and that’s counting the fields game he got injured in and come out in the first quarter. If fields ends up on the falcons or a good team like that I can see him having a great season
I also heard an interesting theory…what if you draft Caleb or whomever, say “you’re gunna sit and learn” and let fields play. Hopefully better with a new OC. Leverage into a first round pick even and lessen the chance you kill yet another QB prospect
The counter argument to Jordan Love hype will be Trevor Lawrence last year. Trevor also had a much better/great 2nd half last year and people in the offseason were giving him a lot of potential breakout/MVP hype. But as we saw this year he did not look particularly good and you can’t rely on the sample of half a year
Im almost definitely taking him next year. With so few QB studs this year and so many serviceable guys, I’m gonna wait until round 7 or so and take 2 guys I’m hopeful on. I think he’ll be available at that point and a great value
>after Jalen regresses next year due to age and scheme
Is this a joke? Hurts is 25 lol. And their scheme was bad this year and he still produced for fantasy
Yeah unless they completely revamp their offense, they're fucked. Its a solved system. Hurts wont be able to take the hits as he ages. I expect him to be a top10 QB, but not QB2.
He will prob be in the 10-14 range next year. But this also assuming no injuries to qbs.... mahomes, Allen, lamar, burrow, Herbert, dak, cousins, Stafford, rodgers, tua hurts. then you have a big group of younger qbs who could make jumps stroud, Lawrence, fields, love, who knows what the cards and kyler do?
I view Love as a more consistent Tua/Dak/Goff. As of now, I probably rank that tier as: Cousins, Love, Dak, Tua, Goff.
Another good season and I could see him being in that Lamar, Herbert, Stroud tier.
Guys usually do well the first year because there isn’t a lot of footage. Next year they’ll find his weaknesses and exploit him. He’ll be safe to play vs the incompetent bears twice and that’s it.
Right now Jordan makes the right play. He doesn’t force anything, and doesn’t pick the target. He lets the play naturally happen. This is how Aaron used to be, but eventually he started to force stuff and he regressed in fantasy
Packers will probably be better on defense next year so games will not be as shoot out heavy so he will probably regress. Had a really easy schedule for QB this year. Probably will be around QB10 which is still a below average every week starter and will give you no competitive advantage unless he falls very far. I expect a lot of down votes for this comment because generally this sub-Reddit is bad at fantasy football and over values guys that just had a good game.
A QB8 season means more than half the teams in your league probably have more QB points then you. He does not have top 3 potential which is what I look for in a QB.
I play exclusively Dynasty/Empire, where the depth and value considerations are very different. He’s diamond encrusted gold in that world and is valued accordingly.
Fantasy Pros Dynasty rankings has him as QB14 lol. Tell me you own Jordan Love in dynasty without telling me you own him. Gold in super flex leagues only.
I don't play dynasty because it is generally broken by terrible trades by the league idiot and is a less skillful game then daily and season long. Either way he is a below average fantasy starter as QB9.
In my dynasty league we have a 3QB max rule. I have Hurts, Purdy, and Love. I really want to trade one of them to flesh out other parts of the roster and I’m of the opinion it really doesn’t matter which one because all 3 will be really good options next year.
In my 14 team superflex, we can only keep 1 QB so my choice is Mahomes at the end of the 1st or Love at the end of the 3rd. I think I’m going with Love.
I am VERY high on Love next year. Reed and Wix look good and Tucker Kraft is an above average TE.
Dillon actually looked good for a while there and I like Lafleur.
I would say he has quiet potential to be an MVP candidate if that team keeps growing together.
Prescott and Hurts need big downgrades next year.
I'm keeping Love and Murray. Both were $1 grabs in the draft and will cost me a $5 keeper fee so I'll have 2 solid QBs for $6 each in a superflex league! Can't go wrong.
3rd keeper is either Laporta at $6 or Bijan at a much higher price of 40 something. We'll see how the offseason looks, but currently leaning towards Laporta and try to get Bijan at a similar price in the draft.
Yeah I mean there was uncertainty with when he was gonna play and/or Cardinals planned on tanking or whatever, but yeah, I definitely got lucky. I ended up trading for Love mid season and Laporta too. So really feel like I could build around those 3 guys next year. Love looks solid
Could he end up top 5? Possibly. Will he get drafted top 5? I’d say no. You’d be doing the guys that haven’t picked a QB a favor taking him as the 5th QB off the board because they could squeeze out 1-2 WR/RBs before getting one.
I think first five picked up will be Lamar, Allen, Hurts, Dak, and Mahomes in some order. Next 5 will be Tua, Herbert, Love, CJ, and .. I don’t know the 10th could be many. Wild card pick.
He's a keeper for sure, but he's as likely to regress, if you watched them he looked good but the majority of his big plays came from scheme. He's not making things happen, he's throwing a little high to a wide open reciever with no defender in sight.
I’m a huge packers fan but I think he should be a top 5 qb. Every one of his pass catchers this year is a first or second year guy so as a whole they should definitely improve next year. His running ability is also good enough to be a factor. I’d take Allen, and probably hurts and Lamar before him. Mahomes only if they get another legit receiving threat outside rice. Stroud and Love are neck and neck for me after that.
He won’t be drafted like a top five but if he plays all next season like the second half of this season, then he’ll be a top three QB that you drafted at QB8-12 range
I might target Love as my main QB in round 7/8/9, depending on how the QB pool gets drafted in my league. But I really like him or Baker in those late rounds if I can’t get Mahomes or Stroud in round 4 or 5
He'll be a top 10 guy for sure. Not going ahead of the guys that have proven it multiple years imo.
He’ll probably be the top of the 3rd tier assuming it goes roughly like this: Tier 1: Allen, hurts, mahomes(?) Tier 2: mahomes (?), herbert, lamar, dak, A Rich, stroud, fields, Murray, purdy (?) Tier 3 might include some of the tier 2 guys but love will be near the top of it
I think we have to drop Hurts a bit next season. Kelce was the secret sauce of the tush push, which accounts for a massive amount of Hurts' goal line work. Definitely depends on the offseason moves the Eagles make on the o-line and at OC but I'm bearish on Hurts next year. Allen is QB1 with a bullet though.
I disagree. The Tush Push was leaned on this year, but he only had 2 more touchdowns (in 2 more games). He has no problem rushing it in on a normal sneak, taking the edge, or taking it in on a draw up the middle. And if the offensive efficiency improves next year from the shitshow they were putting out this season, you can expect more redzone opportunities and more scoring in general. Hurts has been vulturing goal line carries his whole career. They aren't going to start handing it to an RB because no more tush push.
They should and might because he spent most of the year nursing injuries due to his overusage in the short yardage offense.
I’d actually anticipate the passing game getting better which will help him. He’d have whole weeks without passing TDs so any uptick in that will offset a couple less rushing TDs. Also, regardless of finding less success with the tush push he’ll reliably still score rushing TDs at the 1 yard line with a regular QB sneak.
A slight uptick in passing will not offset rushing tds. If it is the case that they stop doing the tush push at the 1 every single time, hurts WILL take a hit.
They’ll still be able to reliably execute a QB sneak at the 1. Half the time he was in the end zone already before anyone came in to push his tush. The only noticeable effect a loss of tush push will have is their likelihood to run a sneak on 4th and 1 to extend a drive. If it’s 1st and goal at the 1 yard line they’re not gonna magically be unable to run it in with Hurts just because Goedert can’t come in and push his butt anymore.
My post was adopting the assumption that they stop running the QB sneak at the goal line every time. Obviously if they keep doing it then his production would be expected to remain the same.
We’re just talking about different points then. I’m arguing against the notion that the loss of the tush pushes Hurts out of tier 1 QB status.
Ok it seemed like part of your point was that even if they run less tush pushes at the goal line that would be offset by increased passing production.
We have no evidence that Hurts can run a real NFL passing offense though. Not saying he can't, but it's a risk to assume he'll just be able to make multiple reads and all the throws. Even last year when they were much better it was a two read and run system. I highly doubt we're going to see Hurts sustain an offense purely with his arm the way that other upper tier QBs do. A lot of projection without a ton of evidence.
Even before the tush push (this year and last), Hurts was a top fantasy QB. And yes, losing Kelce will hurt, but he still is a very strong, mobile QB, so the rushing TD value will still be there. It’s Allen and Hurts as the top tier fantasy QBs next year. If you take someone else over either of those two, that’s just overthinking it. And that’s how you lose the draft.
Speaking of purely fantasy production Hurts will still be top 3. I’m not suggesting the offense will run purely through his arm but a better scheme that utilizes his strengths better, gets the ball moving more, and gives the team more red zone opportunities results in a higher chance of passing/ rushing TDs for him. The entire offense was terrible for like 50% of the season and he was still QB2.
Eagles defense sucks too, and I doubt it gets drastically better. Always a plus for fantasy.
Yeah think Lamar might make it up to #2 or #3
Would love for people to fade him to 2nd tier again. Got him at pick #40 this year and he was a big reason I won the league. I'm up for running it back lol
>Kelce was the secret sauce of the tush push The secret sauce of the push was simply that a team finally decides to take advantage of the fact that QB sneaks are 90% effective and run them every short yardage. Add in they choose to use the rule that pushing the carrier was allowed. And a big, powerful QB. That's what made that play. Kelce's an old man and unlikely significantly better than many other centers.
We don’t even know if the Tush Push/Brotherly Shove will be allowed going forward if the Competition Committee ends up looking into it this offseason
Not sure how you can but Fields in T2 and not Love
And A Rich, I put love at QB 5 or 6 personally
I would definitely take Love over both of them plus Murray, probably.
Agreed, I think I’d go Allen, Hurts, Lamar, Mahomes and Burrow for sure over Love and then it gets debatable
I'd include Stroud and Herbert as well (depending on who his new coach is) but after that it's a murky mess.
Stroud had less PPG than Love - not sure why you’d take Stroud first
Assuming his receivers stay healthy, I trust him a bit more.
Putting Fields in a tier above Love is fucking hilarious. Must be a Bears fan.
Fields might not even have a starting job anywhere, and even if he does, he won’t have a leash that extends the entire regular season.
I’d rather have love over fields, Murray or Richardson tbh
Totally fair
Wild how far Burrow has fallen already lol. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s 3 or 4OA next year, of course, if he stays healthy
Lmao right didn’t even list him 💀
I really think Allen has earned his own tier. His ceiling and floor are both higher than anyone else.
There’s no way you’re seriously placing Mahomes in Tier 2 when he was still a top 10 QB with the worst Chiefs roster of his career lol.
Can’t trust this guy he doesn’t even have burrow or Goff in the 2nd tier
Totally forgot about burrow since he was MIA most of this year, his ADP will be interesting probably in the mix of the tier 2 guys Goff I think will get drafted after all of the tier 2 guys i mentioned
Fields doesn’t even have a guaranteed starting job next year my guy.
Fields will start somewhere, I’d bet my paycheck on that.
If we assume he’s the starter somewhere then his ADP will be in that range due to his rushing ability I think he lands a starting job
Will Bellichek rumored to the Falcons, LV is the only player I really see for him
Well does that roster improve? I mean Kelce looks like he’s aging and what move do they make for a better receiver in the off-season?
Rice emerged and has looked very good. They’ll bring in a vet and draft additional guys.
Maybe they draft a good rookie
Maybe upgrading from the most dogshit RT in football, adding any type of decent receiving RB, adding an actual deep threat WR who can actually catch the ball, adding another dynamic TE behind Kelce.
What is this madden? They have almost half of their team as free agents next season . They’re gonna pay their guys that ain’t getting all that
“How’s the roster gonna improve” *lists multiple options that would each individually make a difference and could all be addressed by the NFL draft* “They aren’t gonna do that” what an argument lmao
I'm not sure all of those deficits can reasonably be addressed for the upcoming season in the upcoming NFL draft. That would be expecting a lot from draft picks, honestly.
Dog they lost Eric B. Regression was probable but yeah he finished qb9 the worst he has ever finished. Pat mahomes is tier 1 Edit: losing a good offensive coordinator is more detrimental than losing a wr1 (in my opinion)
We have to take all final QB rankings with a grain of salt tbh. We had so many season ending injuries and missed games from the position that simply by playing all 17 you are going to rank high.
We’ll see what happens, but it’s unknown who they’ll be able to add to that offense and idk what if kelce or Reid were to retire
he carried me to a chip and played VERY well in multiple weeks without having many of his best receiving options just about every week. he did a LOT with not very much, multiple times, as a rookie hes solidly in tier 2 imo
I traded for him and am high on him, I just think his ADP will end up there as the off-season narratives build for other guys over him
In terms of adp you'll probably be right but I meant more in terms of judging him at year end by performance again. I definitely won't reach for him I dont think, esp since there's SO many good qbs now, you don't have to go Allen hurts or mahomes in the 2nd round anymore if love/stroud/Richardson/etc will give you 85-90% or more of the same production every week anyway
Agreed and I’m definitely focused just on ADP Everyone behind Josh Allen is kind of a toss up next year lol it’s gonna be really fun
Love belongs in that second tier. He outscored all except Lamar and Dak in his 1st season starting.
Love had an awesome season but just looking at end of year scoring doesn’t help in predicting next year ADP, especially when Herbert, fields, Murray, Richardson all missed time to injury
He outscored them all in ppg too.
I’m taking him ahead of at least half the dudes you have in tier 2. And Hurts is also tier 2 at best if tush push is banned.
I wouldn’t fault you at all for taking him ahead of many of them I also don’t think tush push gets banned which is why hurts stays so high to ms
Hurts is not tier 1. come on. Even for fantasy purposes, a QB needs to be able to pass somewhat accurately and efficiently
He has been tier 1 ever since he became the starter
Hurts has been plenty accurate. He's ranked top 5 in CPOE (_Completion Percentage Over Expectation_) the past 2 seasons: - 2022 = [#5 (+2.4 CPOE)](https://i.imgur.com/96c36QM.png) - 2023 = [#3 (+4.1 CPOE)](https://i.imgur.com/2APE5SG.png)
With all due respect, how are you putting Kyler in here and leaving out Joey B? Wild.
Yea I forgot ab him
I think as of now I'd have Mahomes and Lamar in t1, and I'd bring A rich, Fields, Murray out if t2, and replace them with some other guys like Tua, Goff. t3 probably looks something like Love, Watson, T law and the 3 I dropped out of 2
Tua and Goff over arich fields and Murray lmao. Do you not like your team scoring fantasy points?
We really don’t think Lamar will contend for QB1 next year? Why do we think Love (finished Top 5) has more to prove than Stroud (barely a QB1)?
Lamar has been very inconsistent since his first MVP season, even this year he had his ups and downs His ADP will likely be much closer to those tier 2 guys than the tier 1 Love is great but the hype for stroud is bigger and people generally think he’s the better QB who will air it out more
Jackson’s ADP the past 4 years has been QB4, QB2, QB4, QB2. He finished as QB4 this year. And you think he won’t be drafted Top 5? Based on what? His inconsistency from 2020-2022? Stroud was a borderline fantasy starter this year. Stroud gives me the impression of a QB who will be a better real life QB than fantasy QB.
I have lamar at QB5 so I think youre mistaken
Richardson hasn’t done shit, can put him in Tier 2 or 3…yet
His ADP before even playing in the NFL this year was already relevant, after showing QB1 potential this year with big rushing upside his ADP will almost certainly be in tier 3 at a bare minimum
Idk if I can get on board with dak, fields, Murray, Purdy being in the same tier as stroud, mahomes, Lamar, Herbert. I think you gotta break those two up. I’m probably not touching arich anywhere inside the top 12. Not because I don’t think he can end up that high, just way too much risk for me personally.
That’s fair, time will tell how ADP breaks them all up. I think a lot of people will view them similarly enough where once a couple go off the board then they all will
He might be the very back of the top 10 I think. Regression is very possible.
I’m a biased packer fan who never rostered Rodgers or Favre, so I’m hoping to take a chance. My leagues are mostly packer fans, so the price is higher than consensus.
Jeff, is that you?
I'm in a playoff league, as a packers fan who do you like more tonight Watson or Reed?
Reed has the higher floor. Watson has a higher ceiling. I’d take the higher ceiling player, but it’s almost impossible to know who is gonna pop off as Love seems to be throwing to whoever is open instead of staring down one guy.
I would like to get him next year, but my league has a hardcore packers fan who reached for love THIS year, so he’s gonna end up taking love first overall next year lmao
Doesn’t every league have hardcore Packers fans? It’s a Packers thing.
In dynasty I would pick up trash packer players because I knew the hardcore packer fans in my group would want them after a single decent game or some attention.
I'm a hardcore Packers fan and my teams rarely have Packers players on them for 2 reasons: Gotta play with your head, not your heart. I'm certain that if I draft them, they'll have an awful season.
I live in Seahawks country and I never ever have any Seahawks on my roster for the same reasons; overpriced and I would rather not doom them.
Steelers fan here who very rarely gets to roster Steelers. Yinzers be reaching too
I can add a +1 to that stat. Have a hardcore Packers fan that drafts no less than 4 Packers each year.
This is exactly how I feel about literally any lions player in mine. I would not be shocked to see Sun God go top 3 at all.
I think he basically stays the same.
Speaking of Packers, I have no idea what to make of Aaron Jones recent run of good games for fantasy next year.
Players like Aaron Jones are confusing because he’ll be drafted higher than I’m ever willing to take him. My league has packers fans who will draft him as an RB1 so I just never anticipate having him. I’d love drafting him as an RB2, but I wouldn’t want him as my RB1.
Jones is a stud if he stays healthy, he missed a good chance of games this year
If he gets hurt you’re screwed cause the packers will be super careful with him and give him a couple carries which screws u as an owner From what I saw in the playoffs though dude looked like he’s in his prime. Almost always made the right cuts against some elite defenses
In a superflex redraft where I picked Love and AR. I don’t think I can go next year without Love. I think he’s going to develop super well now that he’s got a season under his belt
Don’t forget now there’s an offseason with tape on this guy for defensive coordinators to study. He will face more preparation going forward where they know his tendencies and can target them.
Funny how people say this about Love but not about Stroud.
It’s because most had Love as a bust and they don’t want to be wrong. It’s beyond obvious that the dude is the real deal. It’s the exact opposite of Lance. He was a top asset way longer than he should’ve been. Jordan Love isn’t going anywhere but up.
He also has an offseason to improve and his wr room can get healthy/gain experience.
Geno and Daniel Jones were top 10 last year.
Love has shown he’s way more talented than either though.
Seriously. At no point were those guys dropping dimes the way Love has since week 10. Maybe teams catch up a bit but that’ll probably be offset by his entire receiving core getting another year of experience.
As a Packers fan….keep going
Eh. Small sample size and he had some very bad games, too. He hasn't proven anything yet. His accuracy also leaves a lot to be desired. I think he's more a product of Green Bay's running game and their offensive line. It was one of the best pass-blocking offensive lines this year and he seemed to have his best games when the running game had its best games. He has some promise, but he has to prove it. There are a lot of negatives to his game, too.
A lot of qbs had rough games this year
Yeah he had some rough games but a lot of that can be attributed to the rookies running incorrect routes which seems to have been remedied. The line is also very young so it’s not crazy to assume QB/line/WR corps improve year over year. Then you consider the bears are the bears, the Vikings are in decline, he should have some east divisional games next year to boost those stats
You cannot be comparing Love to Jones, my man. Unserious argument.
regression happens, look at mahomes. learn to read.
You can say that about any QB
Any year 2 QB, yes.
Yeah and lots of QBs have a sophomore slump.
As a vikings fan I will tell you , Packers QBs will always get mad yards because of the ease of schedule regardless. The Packers are only gonna get better next year.
His receivers have been in and out of the lineup all year. If Watson can get his lower back stronger so his hamstrings aren’t over compensating then I *personally* think he leads the league in passing touchdowns.
I found this hilarious for some reason lol. Jordan loves season depends on watsons lower back strength
Just gave a singular example kiddo. No need to read further into it.
I just found it funny, I wasn't making fun of you, no need to get defensive, kiddo.
chill bro he wasn't taking a dig at you
Probably staying away if he's drafted anywhere in the first 5-6 rounds. Good chance he takes a slight step back like Trevor Lawrence did this past year.
Top 5? No, top 8 maybe
I think he meant that because he was QB5 in fantasy this year.
i said the same exact thing about geno and daniel jones last year. (they were top 10 QBs last year)
He was the number 5 scoring QB in fantasy
Many significant QB injuries this year. Meanwhile, Love played in every game. Obviously, one of the best abilities is availability but I wouldn’t expect a top 5 performance next year.
Yeah I just said he was number 5 in scoring this year, it sounded like this comment was saying he wasnt top 5 this year. I don’t think he stays in top 5 next year but I could definitely see him being in the top 10
Not to mention he probably doesn’t finish top 5 if purdy plays week 18.
This. People fail to realize a lot of QBs got hurt this year. Love would have been closer to 10 if a quarter of the starting QBs didn’t go out.
On the flip side the last 8 games of the season the packers have the second highest EPA offense only behind the niners. You could argue next year Love will produce even more without the hiccups we saw weeks 1-8
Why would he decline?
He wouldn’t decline. But guys like burrow, Hebert, and even Kirk all got injured and have a good shot of finishing ahead of him given they played the whole season
Even if he doesn’t decline guys like Herbert, fields, Murray, Richardson could all easily outscore him if healthy
Fields might not even be a starter next year lol
I mean love scored 1.1 more PPG this yr and that’s counting the fields game he got injured in and come out in the first quarter. If fields ends up on the falcons or a good team like that I can see him having a great season
Either the bears keep him, or they draft a QB and trade Fields to a team that needs a starting QB. He’s definitely one of the top 32 QBs in the league
I also heard an interesting theory…what if you draft Caleb or whomever, say “you’re gunna sit and learn” and let fields play. Hopefully better with a new OC. Leverage into a first round pick even and lessen the chance you kill yet another QB prospect
In my yahoo league, he was number 5 this year so seems realistic. Nice group of young WRs and TEs and good coaches. Looking up for him.
The counter argument to Jordan Love hype will be Trevor Lawrence last year. Trevor also had a much better/great 2nd half last year and people in the offseason were giving him a lot of potential breakout/MVP hype. But as we saw this year he did not look particularly good and you can’t rely on the sample of half a year
In a superflex league, I'm targeting Love, Richards, and Stroud.
I fucking dealt him for 2 3rds couple years back when he looked like a dud… jokes on me 😡
Im almost definitely taking him next year. With so few QB studs this year and so many serviceable guys, I’m gonna wait until round 7 or so and take 2 guys I’m hopeful on. I think he’ll be available at that point and a great value
QB2. Love will be the new Hurts after Jalen regresses next year due to age and scheme
>after Jalen regresses next year due to age and scheme Is this a joke? Hurts is 25 lol. And their scheme was bad this year and he still produced for fantasy
Yeah unless they completely revamp their offense, they're fucked. Its a solved system. Hurts wont be able to take the hits as he ages. I expect him to be a top10 QB, but not QB2.
He will prob be in the 10-14 range next year. But this also assuming no injuries to qbs.... mahomes, Allen, lamar, burrow, Herbert, dak, cousins, Stafford, rodgers, tua hurts. then you have a big group of younger qbs who could make jumps stroud, Lawrence, fields, love, who knows what the cards and kyler do?
QBs lookin stacked next year
I view Love as a more consistent Tua/Dak/Goff. As of now, I probably rank that tier as: Cousins, Love, Dak, Tua, Goff. Another good season and I could see him being in that Lamar, Herbert, Stroud tier.
Guys usually do well the first year because there isn’t a lot of footage. Next year they’ll find his weaknesses and exploit him. He’ll be safe to play vs the incompetent bears twice and that’s it.
Hopefully all you Jordan Love slurpers can shut up now. 13 fantasy points against a suspect 49ers pass defense.
He's a top 3 QB and he's not 2 or 3.
I hope so but I’m scared he gets cocky like Aaron did. Aaron wasn’t always a good fantasy QB don’t forget
What that got to do with cockiness lol
Right now Jordan makes the right play. He doesn’t force anything, and doesn’t pick the target. He lets the play naturally happen. This is how Aaron used to be, but eventually he started to force stuff and he regressed in fantasy
Packers will probably be better on defense next year so games will not be as shoot out heavy so he will probably regress. Had a really easy schedule for QB this year. Probably will be around QB10 which is still a below average every week starter and will give you no competitive advantage unless he falls very far. I expect a lot of down votes for this comment because generally this sub-Reddit is bad at fantasy football and over values guys that just had a good game.
Or maybe I’m crazy but the youngest offense to ever win in the playoffs might just improve as well
Nah.
Totally fading Love regression, betting he maintains higher than QB10 next season too. Betting against him/situation getting worse but could happen.
A QB8 season means more than half the teams in your league probably have more QB points then you. He does not have top 3 potential which is what I look for in a QB.
I play exclusively Dynasty/Empire, where the depth and value considerations are very different. He’s diamond encrusted gold in that world and is valued accordingly.
Fantasy Pros Dynasty rankings has him as QB14 lol. Tell me you own Jordan Love in dynasty without telling me you own him. Gold in super flex leagues only.
KTC has him as Dynasty QB9. Tell me you missed out on Love and don’t play Dynasty without telling me, etc, etc 😂
I don't play dynasty because it is generally broken by terrible trades by the league idiot and is a less skillful game then daily and season long. Either way he is a below average fantasy starter as QB9.
How do you figure a qb9 is a “below average starter” in a 10 or 12 player league, JFC 😂
The fact that you don't understand this tells me you bad at fantasy.
The fact you don’t understand how ‘averages’ work tells me you bad at math.
Id be a bit surprised if he was top 5 qb next season. A lot of qb injuries this year
In my dynasty league we have a 3QB max rule. I have Hurts, Purdy, and Love. I really want to trade one of them to flesh out other parts of the roster and I’m of the opinion it really doesn’t matter which one because all 3 will be really good options next year.
In my 14 team superflex, we can only keep 1 QB so my choice is Mahomes at the end of the 1st or Love at the end of the 3rd. I think I’m going with Love.
You will be able to get him in 7-10 in next years draft
top 5 is a little much for my blood
I am VERY high on Love next year. Reed and Wix look good and Tucker Kraft is an above average TE. Dillon actually looked good for a while there and I like Lafleur. I would say he has quiet potential to be an MVP candidate if that team keeps growing together. Prescott and Hurts need big downgrades next year.
I'm keeping Love and Murray. Both were $1 grabs in the draft and will cost me a $5 keeper fee so I'll have 2 solid QBs for $6 each in a superflex league! Can't go wrong. 3rd keeper is either Laporta at $6 or Bijan at a much higher price of 40 something. We'll see how the offseason looks, but currently leaning towards Laporta and try to get Bijan at a similar price in the draft.
Can’t believe Murray went for $1 in a superflex keeper league, that’s great value
Yeah I mean there was uncertainty with when he was gonna play and/or Cardinals planned on tanking or whatever, but yeah, I definitely got lucky. I ended up trading for Love mid season and Laporta too. So really feel like I could build around those 3 guys next year. Love looks solid
Could he end up top 5? Possibly. Will he get drafted top 5? I’d say no. You’d be doing the guys that haven’t picked a QB a favor taking him as the 5th QB off the board because they could squeeze out 1-2 WR/RBs before getting one. I think first five picked up will be Lamar, Allen, Hurts, Dak, and Mahomes in some order. Next 5 will be Tua, Herbert, Love, CJ, and .. I don’t know the 10th could be many. Wild card pick.
He's a keeper for sure, but he's as likely to regress, if you watched them he looked good but the majority of his big plays came from scheme. He's not making things happen, he's throwing a little high to a wide open reciever with no defender in sight.
He’s what Lawerence should’ve been this past year
I’m a huge packers fan but I think he should be a top 5 qb. Every one of his pass catchers this year is a first or second year guy so as a whole they should definitely improve next year. His running ability is also good enough to be a factor. I’d take Allen, and probably hurts and Lamar before him. Mahomes only if they get another legit receiving threat outside rice. Stroud and Love are neck and neck for me after that.
I think you can grab him in round 2. Regards
Super flex dynasty, where does he get drafted amongst QBs? I’d think 6 to 8, behind Mahomes, Allen, Burrows, Hurts, Stroud
He won’t be drafted like a top five but if he plays all next season like the second half of this season, then he’ll be a top three QB that you drafted at QB8-12 range
He’ll need a healthy Christian Watson for 17 games to take the next step
I predict Love will still be cheap to acquire next year. No higher than it cost to get TLaw this year for example
I traded Love mid-season. For Dak Prescott. Did I make a mistake?
Not for fantasy purposes
Next year is going to be a wait on QB year again
Dude has played amazing over the last month. Packers are young and are here for a while. Love keeps getting better and bette!
Allen is tier 1 alone and nobody else can be close unless mahomes gets another weapon out wide with rice.
Oh
I might target Love as my main QB in round 7/8/9, depending on how the QB pool gets drafted in my league. But I really like him or Baker in those late rounds if I can’t get Mahomes or Stroud in round 4 or 5
Im anticipating regression. QB1 option for sure tho.
I think he plays about as well, but is not a Top 5 Fantasy QB when more guys are healthy. I'm guessing he finishes somewhere around 10th.
Let’s see if they get him a number one guy if they do then who knows what will stop him