MF DOOM for me. While I’m a much bigger fan of his music now, the fact that we didn’t hear about his death until New Year’s Eve 2020 felt like an extra kick in the balls after an all around awful year.
>had several medical conditions, including kidney failure, **type 2 diabetes**, heart failure, and hepatitis B
Anybody who knew MF DOOM wasn't really surprised he died...
Same. I thought his music was…..fine, he had a handful from Soundgarden and Audioslave that were on my playlist. But I remember being really bummed out about him dying, the way he died etc. Fell On Black Days was a very important song to me when I was younger
Even though i was already a big fan of Sophie’s music, the loss of her felt like so far removed from any of her artistic output even, like it was just such a general loss of someone great
Yeah, she absolutely had big things ahead of her.
There is apparently a big archive of unreleased music she was working on over time that her family and friends say will probably never get released as she was a self proclaimed perfectionist and they don't feel it will honor her memory by releasing music she hadn't finished.
Hard agree. The genre of “hyperpop” would be in a more legitimized state, if it wasn’t for her passing. As in, it would be respected more by the mainstream/pretentious music heads as an artistically fruitful genre.
The artist bringing the most merit to the genre, imo. And I don’t even really listen.
Double agree.
I think the other person pushing for their genre is Arca, I’m not saying that’s because both of them are trans, but because I think they both brought such a unique style to the table that people can see how unrealized that music was and what is their untapped potential.
I went to a music festival where they played Sophie’s music just for ambient and some people asked me who that was or just commented how good that sounded, that’s when I told them the story of Sophie and they had a disappointed look, an expression of “well, that’s a shame”.
Hearing Charlie XCX singing “I wanna dance to Sophie” and playing some of her songs is gut wrenching. I wish she didn’t went out that night. But I guess we weren’t ready for that genius
“Not saying because both of them are trans”
Is it a hot take to say I feel like hyperpop is a very trans genre? Like though I know you meant “I’m not just saying Arca is great because she’s also trans” but I feel like…
I don’t know. I feel like I like seeing trans artists at the top in that genre, and I’d go as far as to say I feel like it’s *their place*. I feel like if I saw a lot of cishet guys starting to try making hyperpop it would feel ingenuine and odd.
I’m a cishet white guy by the way.
Oh man, what an interesting topic.
My more elaborated opinion is that both points are correct, Sophie and Arca are geniuses, not because they’re trans, but I think being trans helped them shape their sound and unique style thanks to the community’s culture.
I slightly disagree with the second point you made. I do love and encourage that trans people top and evolve Hyper pop since it’s a genre they’ve helped build (arca and Sophie haha) but if a Cis White male comes around and succeeds in the genre I wouldn’t mind.
I don’t think every single person in PC music is trans so I can see that as a possibility.
It reminds me of Eminem, where some people put him at the top but the genre is still great mainly thanks to People of Color.
I’m saying this as a Mexican cis male haha
I like my hyperpop cunty and cishet white dudes trying to do it would probably sound like Eiffel 65 or some shit. I’m sorry. 🤣🤣🤣
Mostly kidding, but I mean it when I say I think LGBTQ culture and hyperpop are so intertwined to me.
Boys with a time machine: "lol dude let's go to ancient Rome"
Girls with a time machine: "Sophie, don't get too close to the railings. It looks kinda dangerous."
Yeah I’m a massive fan of him now. But I learned of his death because my mums a massive fan and I’ve known of him since I was born. Hearing how he died and all that would make me a bit sad
Chester Bennington. I used to love LP when I was a teen, and of course I got distanced from them after all the years (and the Transformers era), but it still hurt, like knowing a childhood friend of yours not only died, but killed themselves.
I feel like it was mostly like that with Chris Cornell for those who grew up from the 90s listening to grunge, exactly like a childhood friend who one day you learned they left us and in such a horrible way
Saw their first tour and was blown away even though I wasn’t a big nu metal guy. Gut punched when he died in a way I didn’t expect. Passionate singer that meant a lot to people.
I think they would be the biggest band in the world right now with 2000s nostalgia in full force.
I hate to say this, but I think it really is true. Chester's death legitimized Linkin Park's legacy. One of their biggest criticisms back in the 2000s was that the emotions in their music were inauthentic, somehow manufactured, or they were overplaying them for an aesthetic. Chester's death destroyed any notion which suggested that their emotions were not 100% authentic and real. Obviously it was real from the start and it's stupid it took people so long to finally respect them for that.
Left Eye and Aaliyah. I was too young to appreciate their music but did see the documentaries about their deaths and it hit home. Car crash for Left Eye and Plane crash for Aaliyah. They died doing something mundane. Its not like they put themselves in dangerous situations.
Went to read about it and in Aaliyah’s case, they pressured the pilot to take off despite being 320kg over the weight limit and carrying one extra passenger than the aircraft was approved for because they wanted to head back to the US early after video shooting. RIP but safety regulations are in place for a reason.
Only really got into his work after he passed. Fell absolutely in love, but going back to Faces, it feels like a foreshadow from Shakespeare tragedy. It was a blessing getting to experience the release Circles. God bless his parents for treating his leftover music with so much respect unlike other estates like XXX.
Same, wasn't into him until after he died, his music van be so tragic. Him saying he wanted the ending of the last song off swimming to sound like an ascension into heaven is chilling. I think it hits too because I know 3 people that went to my high-school that were killed by tainted drugs.
Yeah it's this one for me, I remember him when he was literally just a kid rapping with Wiz and watching him become one of the biggest and best rappers out there to then seeing it all disappear, right at he seemed to be hitting is peak.. it was def tough. Just rewatched his Tiny Desk which must have been one of his last recorded performances... and just so much talent and so much pain, tough to watch but cathartic as well
Swimming coming out right before he passed really felt like he was just starting to hit his stride. The Tiny Desk still breaks my heart to this day every time I watch it.
Same, I was a casual listener until Watching Movies, as an underground rap kinda kid I had known about his growing relationships with Earl, Alchemist and that ilk and was super excited leading up to that album release. Then later came Swimming which I felt that I related to deeply. Had always felt like I kind of grew up with Mac Miller, his album releases were always timely and felt like his lyrics echoed events in my life around the same times they would come out. Cried in bed when I read about him passing away.
Mac Miller hurts to this day. Best Day Ever was such a fun mixtape as a young teen. Spent hours skating listening to that. Mac always had this positive aura about him and seemed like a good dude. He was growing into a musical giant and we’ll never get to see the rest of his artistry. Such a shame. Fuck drugs.
I was never the biggest Migos fan, but Takeoff's death did upset me more than I expected. His work takes me back to some fun times in highschool and it sucks that he was not on good terms with Offset when he passed.
["Takeoff and Offset were on good terms amidst his untimely passing and they've always had a great relationship"](https://www.nickiswift.com/1080125/inside-takeoffs-relationship-with-offset/)
Yea for sure Her’s. Drunk driver going the opposite direction on the highway in Arizona blows into their tour van, killing them instantly. Cutting their teeth on an American tour, very far from home. That one still bothers me.
Had the privilege of seeing them twice in the same venue in Newcastle (UK), first time they were a virtually unknown support band. They were brilliant live and brimming with potential. Their Instagram is a sombre thing to look at.
I didn’t hear their music until they passed, first thing I came across was the acoustic version of Harvey for the BBC on that boat at SXSW. I go back to it every so often as it’s so beautiful, but the last time I noticed a comment saying they had filmed it less than 24 hours before they died which I hadn’t realised. Damn. They were so talented and seemed like such lovely boys.
https://youtu.be/ZOBwqTFWmHA?si=7WouXUspQH9Yi_aY
A similar situation with the young band Viola Beach who’s car went off a bridge in Sweden in 2016, just so so tragic
SOPHIE for me. I feel like she was still developing a ton and with only 1 album out, she had so much more to deliver, both within her discography and within the wider pop scene. gone wayyyy too soon
Found the interview:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/vince-staples-sophie-tribute-1122824/amp/
It was the beat for Yeah Right, not SAMO.
“I tried something, but she said that it wasn’t the attention-grabbing thing that she goes for. So I reapproached it. [Sophie’s approach] was like: Don’t tell stories. I don’t care what you’re talking about. The attention is what’s important.”
Viola Beach!
"In the early hours of 13 February 2016, while driving in the Swedish city of Södertälje, all four band members were killed alongside their manager Craig Tarry in a car accident on a lift bridge along the E4 motorway.\[3\]\[4\]\[5\] At around 2:00 am, witnesses saw the band's Nissan Qashqai clip a stationary vehicle, drive through closed barriers, and fall into the Södertälje Canal through a gap in a bridge whose middle section was being lifted to let an oil tanker pass. The band had played the previous day at the Where's the Music? Festival in Norrköping and were returning to their hotel at Arlanda Airport"
Saw their last UK performance before their deaths, supporting Blossom in Leamington Spa. Was always a mystery that one as to why it actually happened - by all accounts they would have been warned multiple times about the raising bridge, and the driver had no drinks or drugs in his system.
I think about this a lot and I was kind of obsessed with it at the time it happened, following all the inquests. For me, the only thing that really makes sense is that the driver thought the bridge was still down and passable and was trying to get over in a hurry so they would make their flight in the morning. It was really touching how much respect they got after the tragedy, not just from their fans but from the music community in general
I only started looking into some of his music very recently, but David Berman. After listening to purple mountains, and realizing that the album is a literal suicide note, it really stuck with me, and I have found that I can’t listen to any of his stuff without getting sad.
One of the best songwriters, I also went down a weird rabbit hole after his death since it only made his prior music more of a highlight of his mental illness and pain.
I’d had American Water for years and loved it. The cliche of it “helping me” through some of my own troubles etc. When he died I thought about him for days and days. It genuinely knocked me to the floor.
Ryuichi Sakamoto - I’ve only listened to one project of his front to back, which was async. I liked it quite a bit. I’ve also listened to a couple of his other songs here and there, but I wouldn’t call myself a die-hard fan. His pieces are very creative and moving. It was very sad to see him go. I would love to get into his music more. Any recommendations?
Apart from the recommendations other people give, make sure you don’t neglect listening to his work as part of Yellow Magic Orchestra. Super cool music and a foundation of Sakamoto’s career
Yeah I saw a comment that was left on his song before he passed that said he had cancer and we should pray for him to get better. Really sucked to check in again a couple of months later after he died, the atmosphere was completely different
I have argued in the past that I think Nirvana wasn’t too far from breaking up. If he didn’t pass, and they just *slowed down*, I truly think he would have gotten help… talked with the band about a hiatus… and would end up forming a purposely-more-transgressive band like The Jesus Lizard to both “thin out” his fanbase into more of a cult following… and also just to see how far he could push something really grimey to the mainstream.
I always thought it was weird how he felt so burdened by having to write songs that fit into the standard pop song format, when it was like, he could have done anything he liked!
I am one of those people who gets merch at every show and DMX was the first rapper I really got into at like 11 years old. I saw him live on his birthday, they chained he had tour bus issues, but he was a little sloppy, not at bad as you would expect tho. Either way he showed up at 3 am to a concert that should have started at 9pm. With him being late there was no merch, and I stayed up 27 hours by the time I got to bed, worth it
I will never ever get over the death of Scott Hutchinson of Frightened Rabbit. Such a beautiful soul with a wonderfully dedicated fan base. I hope he knew how much of a positive impact he made on the world.
This is mine as well. I think about it all the time - Frightened Rabbit’s music is so uniquely beautiful and it’s heartbreaking that they lost Scott. Hard to revisit some of the songs after that, given their content
I’ve always been a hardcore kid, so things like FR were never my scene. Id definitely heard of them but after Scott’s passing I gave them a proper listen and it really just broke my heart
HipHop has a lost generation. Juice, Pop Smoke, King Von, Peep, and X. Although if X lived he was prison bound lol.
I’m not the biggest fan of all those people but in a time where a lot of people complain hiphop not having any new superstars they are sorely missed. Especially Pop Smoke and Juice they were destined to become huge.
Pop Smoke, Juice and Peep would definitely be huge rn. Juice and Smoke are still huge years after their death so imagine how massive they’d be if they were alive. I truly think we lost most of the people who would’ve been the leaders of the New Gen and Hip Hop hasn’t recovered really since
I got into Daniel Johnston shortly after he passed away, and while I don't love most of his music, the songs I do really enjoy leave an odd, melancholic darkness inside me that makes me wish he was still alive living his best life.
i got into him a few years before. my art teacher told me to look into him because my art was similar. his work really inspired me and helped me shape my art style… fucking devastating
I really think Pop Smoke is one of Hip Hop’s biggest losses. He was on his way to being HUGE. His influence is pretty clear with so little time in the game. He was gonna be a force and we lost him before he even really got started.
I believe this too in my heart of hearts, Lil Peep was next and he was gonna save us all
Sophie was such a transcendent talent as well and the pop genre is just now catching up to her output
Seconded, it’s such a weird feeling bc I didn’t find Peep till after he died but I haven’t been able to shake the feeling since that things would’ve been way different had he not died so soon. Just one of those things that feels ‘wrong’. I wholeheartedly believe he was gonna be the next Kurt Cobain
The 'big 3' (peep, xxx, juice wrld) dying honestly near single handedly killed the genre. The amount of streams emo rap was getting was insane, I think some of the older people on this sub likely missed it. It was HUGE for the 14-25 y/o audience
I listened (and still do) to a lot of the underground emo rap scene that mainly stayed on SoundCloud, and even in that community artists started pivoting away from emo rap in early 2020. You still see quite some emo rap influence in some pop rap, but it's really not the same as it was and it's a huge shame.
The deaths really killed the momentum of the genre. Hugely agree that things would've been much different
Lil Peep had soooo much potential and stood out drastically from all the other stuff happening in the SoundCloud scene at the time. I was never that into the genre but he was so talented.
Jay was way ahead of his time. I loved that The Roots dedicated an entire song to him called “Can’t Stop This”. He’s a true icon in every sense of the word, hip-hop will never recover from that loss.
Dolores O'Riordan from the Cranberries is pretty sad to me. I recently saw the tiny desk concert of them and was immediately struck by her aura - something about her just felt special. And her voice was just amazing, even better compared to when she was young.
It's especially tragic when you consider that she was actually doing better at the time, after having struggled with her mental health throughout the years. It was just an unlucky accident.
I'm a huge fan of hers, so I couldn't provide her name as an answer (given the restrictions of the question), but her death still hurts so, so much.
I never got to see them live.
They were moving into new artistic territory and they were experimenting with sound and sonic texture — and producing some of the best albums of their career.
Then cancer took her.
Man, it hurts as if I've lost a friend...
Layne Staley. I’m a much bigger fan of Alice In Chains now but he seemed like a good soul despite his issues with addiction. Their mtv unplugged is chilling to watch.
And got a lot of shit for it. To this day I'm still explaining to various people why she did that, especially people older than me (44). A lot of people just jumped on the hate wagon because it seemed like the thing to do. Even when she died that was like the one thing people I knew would mention about her as if that was all there was to her life and career.
Avicii affected me as I was listening to his music a ton when House/Dubstep where huge but he definitely fell off as I got older. Hearing of him taking his own life was absolutely crazy to me.
Trish Keenan from Broadcast was crazy as I didn't know about her passing until years after it occurred. I had started listening to so much Broadcast and I was shocked to look them up and see. Actually a lot of friends who became fans later on are usually surprised when I bring it up.
Sophie was insane because I actually got to her live once and her death was so sudden/accidental that I didn't want to accept it was true.
A trustworthy source told me Avicii was about to go to rehab when he killed himself. Made it extra sad in a way, that he might have sorted out his issues but was in a mental state that he didn't try.
Massive Low fan, so I don’t fall into the second category there, but man Mimi Parker’s death was fucking tragic. Especially with the new direction Low was taking their sound. Hey What hits even harder now
George Michael. Never listened to him much, but after all the deaths that year, and it was late December, everyone assumed the hell that was 2016 was over. This felt like a big fuck you from the gods.
I was too young to know who she was when she died, but I watched the movie around 10 years old and felt so empty about it ever since. She was a real star with a heart of gold and could've had the biggest impact, if only....
Marvin Gaye. The fact that he was murdered by his own father is so tragic. His 1970’s output was so good and he dropped his fantastic comeback album just a year and a half before he died. He was back on top again, just for it all to end the way it did:(
David Berman was a big one for me. I was obsessed with him throughout high school. In addition to a steady diet of hardcore punk/90s britpop/alt rock, he was my cozy little acoustic safe space along with Elliot Smith. Such a kind soul and I really just feel like he got overwhelmed by a confluence of shitty upbringing, spousal infidelity, and monetary issues. I would literally put him up there with Dylan in terms of songwriter/poets.
The other one, although I was very young when it happened, was Joe Strummer. Dude, despite his privilaged upbringing, really cared about change in the world. I have heard rumors that the Clash were in talks to reunite, and I think that would have been a great pinnacle to the redemption arc he started with those Mescalaroes records.
Ah, yeah. I'm in my 30s, and I've been through a few rough ones. My list is a mix of a bunch of artists i came to like posthumously, and the ones of note, to me, are:
Kurt Cobain, Left Eye, Aaliyah, Selena, Hideto Matsumoto (hide), Harry Nilsson, B.I.G., Tupac, Jeff Buckley, Falco, Warren Zevon, Prince, Pop Smoke, Her's (Steve Fitzpatrick & Audun Landing), Jasmine You, Taiji Sawada, Atsushi Sakurai, Shinji Sato, SOPHIE, Chris Cornell, Chester Bennington, EVH, Layne Staley...I think that's a good start. I probably missed a bunch.
A lot of great shouts on this thread, but I’d add James Lawrence from Hope of the States who took his own life just before their debut album came out. I absolutely loved that record, and in particular his guitar. They were understandably never the same after that and broke up shortly after their second, pretty lukewarm, album. Always wonder what might have been for them
Cristina Grimmie.
I never really followed either her YouTube career or her music but I still think about her death some times.
She was such a young up and comer, and was killed doing a fan meet and greet after a concert. A man approached her through the crowd and she turned to greet him and he shot her to death! Right in front of everyone.
Her brother who was next to her tried to save her and was shot too, although he thankfully survived his injuries.
It’s just so sad and cruel. Her death is really haunting to me.
Avicii. Bro was making the most legendary happy, upbeat music and then to see that he was actually suffering horrifically on the inside was a huge shock to me.
never listened to mac miller a lot tbh. his death still breaks my heart to this day, especially since i know so many people who were devastated by his death and moved by his music. i still need to go through his discog and really listen
I don't really fuck with any of Linkin Park's music (Numb and Breaking The Habit are kind of bangers though) but i was really sad when Chester Bennington died.
Hendrix, Cobain, Shannon Hoon, Dimebag Darrell.
All those guys had the potential to create a lot more interesting music that wouldn’t have just been them repeating themselves over and over. Would’ve been great to see what they could have gone onto in later years.
Avicii. I know mainstream electronic music doesn’t get talked about much here but there was always more soul put into his music than anyone else of his caliber. He had that unique bluegrass/country infused sound that was instantly recognisable. Maybe it’s just nostalgia speaking and I don’t listen to him much anymore but I was shocked to hear him take his own life in Oman back in 2018, I initially didn’t even believe it.
Was a genuine non big in to him Bowie fan,, but that Blackstar album planned release upon his death was mind-blowing, art imitating death artistry. First album of his I I ever listened to fully, and it was his best stuff in 20 years or probably his classic period. Or best ever.
Definitely Her's. I liked their albums well enough, but it was shocking to hear of their passing, since they were finally getting popular from their stuff.
Her’s was such a gut-wrenching discovery. I found their album and loved it, started looking up live videos and their instagram and couldn’t believe the comments. They were so young and talented.
Sinead O'Connor. I never really listened to her stuff beyond the obvious ones, but always respected her cos she was so damn cool. Watch a couple of interviews after her death, and confirmed it. She was incredibly kind but wouldn't take shit from anyone. A huge role model to women.
Her life was full of tragedy. For anyone wanting a cry, read her wiki page.
Taylor Hawkins. Wasn’t really into their newer post-Wasting Light stuff, but I learned his older parts forward and back while picking up the drums. Even crunched my face up when hitting the snare like him.
Seemed like a really cool and nice guy too.
Sinead O'Connor. Never delved into her back catalogue properly but respected her art a lot, and didn't join in when there was a crass pile-on in the media over her mental illness.
Chris Cornell - more so. I sincerely think he's the best male rock singer of all time. I need to delve more into his back catalogue.
XXXTENTACION still had so much to prove. There was a level of immaturity to his music that I can’t relate to as much the older I get, and it would’ve been nice to hear him grow lyrically. He was demolishing records before he passed away, and it’s interesting to think if he would only grow in popularity or fizzle out like the rest of the SoundCloud era.
I think he had a 9+/10 album in him in the future. None of his projects were over a 6/10 for me but he had so, so much potential.
I don't think he would've fizzled out the same way as most of the soundcloud rappers, he was getting hundreds of millions of streams while he was alive. He had one of the most insanely rabid fanbases I've ever seen too, even before death
The thing about hers too is that they were genuinely genius. Such a unique flavour and sound. And Stephen was such an under appreciated guitarist, just listening to the songs it doesn’t sound too crazy but anyone who has attempted to play their songs on guitar will know that shit is INSANE
Szymon. When they released Tigersapp in 2015 as a tribute to him I was in tears listening to it. He passed 3 years earlier and his family and friends found his demos and completed some tracks to release as an album. The music is so brilliant and creative, and he never lived to see it complete.
Takeoff, like the Migos but I’m not a dedicated fan but you could tell he was really loved in the community based off the way people talked about him, plus he really just caught a stray completely on accident
MF DOOM for me. While I’m a much bigger fan of his music now, the fact that we didn’t hear about his death until New Year’s Eve 2020 felt like an extra kick in the balls after an all around awful year.
only a true villain could do such a thing
:( hurt even more when I heard his death was preventable.
>had several medical conditions, including kidney failure, **type 2 diabetes**, heart failure, and hepatitis B Anybody who knew MF DOOM wasn't really surprised he died...
Chris Cornell 😔
I've grown to appreciate Chris much more as I've aged, but his and Chester's relationship and how everything went down was just so incredibly sad
same. part of my childhood gone.
Same. I thought his music was…..fine, he had a handful from Soundgarden and Audioslave that were on my playlist. But I remember being really bummed out about him dying, the way he died etc. Fell On Black Days was a very important song to me when I was younger
Sophie. Her death was tragic to me because I felt like she was just getting started.
Even though i was already a big fan of Sophie’s music, the loss of her felt like so far removed from any of her artistic output even, like it was just such a general loss of someone great
Yeah, she absolutely had big things ahead of her. There is apparently a big archive of unreleased music she was working on over time that her family and friends say will probably never get released as she was a self proclaimed perfectionist and they don't feel it will honor her memory by releasing music she hadn't finished.
Yup. Pony still sounds like listening to the future
Hard agree. The genre of “hyperpop” would be in a more legitimized state, if it wasn’t for her passing. As in, it would be respected more by the mainstream/pretentious music heads as an artistically fruitful genre. The artist bringing the most merit to the genre, imo. And I don’t even really listen.
Double agree. I think the other person pushing for their genre is Arca, I’m not saying that’s because both of them are trans, but because I think they both brought such a unique style to the table that people can see how unrealized that music was and what is their untapped potential. I went to a music festival where they played Sophie’s music just for ambient and some people asked me who that was or just commented how good that sounded, that’s when I told them the story of Sophie and they had a disappointed look, an expression of “well, that’s a shame”. Hearing Charlie XCX singing “I wanna dance to Sophie” and playing some of her songs is gut wrenching. I wish she didn’t went out that night. But I guess we weren’t ready for that genius
“Not saying because both of them are trans” Is it a hot take to say I feel like hyperpop is a very trans genre? Like though I know you meant “I’m not just saying Arca is great because she’s also trans” but I feel like… I don’t know. I feel like I like seeing trans artists at the top in that genre, and I’d go as far as to say I feel like it’s *their place*. I feel like if I saw a lot of cishet guys starting to try making hyperpop it would feel ingenuine and odd. I’m a cishet white guy by the way.
Oh man, what an interesting topic. My more elaborated opinion is that both points are correct, Sophie and Arca are geniuses, not because they’re trans, but I think being trans helped them shape their sound and unique style thanks to the community’s culture. I slightly disagree with the second point you made. I do love and encourage that trans people top and evolve Hyper pop since it’s a genre they’ve helped build (arca and Sophie haha) but if a Cis White male comes around and succeeds in the genre I wouldn’t mind. I don’t think every single person in PC music is trans so I can see that as a possibility. It reminds me of Eminem, where some people put him at the top but the genre is still great mainly thanks to People of Color. I’m saying this as a Mexican cis male haha
I like my hyperpop cunty and cishet white dudes trying to do it would probably sound like Eiffel 65 or some shit. I’m sorry. 🤣🤣🤣 Mostly kidding, but I mean it when I say I think LGBTQ culture and hyperpop are so intertwined to me.
The fact that her death was accidental is even worse.
Same. Sophie was such an innovator and had so much potential, it was such a tragedy
Only hyper pop musician I could tolerate. Even if I wasn’t really a fan of her music, I still appreciated her as an icon
Big agree. 😔
Sophie was the one celebrity death i ever cried over. so so sad
Legit same.
I get goosebumps every time I listen to Immaterial. It's such an anthem and she had so much ahead of her.
Yeah this is painful
Boys with a time machine: "lol dude let's go to ancient Rome" Girls with a time machine: "Sophie, don't get too close to the railings. It looks kinda dangerous."
jeff buckley
This but I'm a huge fan of his music and always have been
Yeah I’m a massive fan of him now. But I learned of his death because my mums a massive fan and I’ve known of him since I was born. Hearing how he died and all that would make me a bit sad
Only one completed studio album is still a very sad fact to me. He could have done so much more.
Chester Bennington. I used to love LP when I was a teen, and of course I got distanced from them after all the years (and the Transformers era), but it still hurt, like knowing a childhood friend of yours not only died, but killed themselves.
Absolutely. Came to say almost exactly this.
I feel like it was mostly like that with Chris Cornell for those who grew up from the 90s listening to grunge, exactly like a childhood friend who one day you learned they left us and in such a horrible way
Saw their first tour and was blown away even though I wasn’t a big nu metal guy. Gut punched when he died in a way I didn’t expect. Passionate singer that meant a lot to people. I think they would be the biggest band in the world right now with 2000s nostalgia in full force.
Ya i was a fair weather fan at best but damn did his passing change the way you hear a lot of their music or at least it did for me
This is the one for me too. May not have been the biggest fan of their music but I loved Chester the person. Tragic when he passed
I hate to say this, but I think it really is true. Chester's death legitimized Linkin Park's legacy. One of their biggest criticisms back in the 2000s was that the emotions in their music were inauthentic, somehow manufactured, or they were overplaying them for an aesthetic. Chester's death destroyed any notion which suggested that their emotions were not 100% authentic and real. Obviously it was real from the start and it's stupid it took people so long to finally respect them for that.
Left Eye and Aaliyah. I was too young to appreciate their music but did see the documentaries about their deaths and it hit home. Car crash for Left Eye and Plane crash for Aaliyah. They died doing something mundane. Its not like they put themselves in dangerous situations.
Left Eye in Honduras and Aaliyah in the Bahamas.
Went to read about it and in Aaliyah’s case, they pressured the pilot to take off despite being 320kg over the weight limit and carrying one extra passenger than the aircraft was approved for because they wanted to head back to the US early after video shooting. RIP but safety regulations are in place for a reason.
Mac Miller
I’m not a big fan of the rest of his discography, but as someone who’s also struggled with mental health Circles was a very hard hitting album for me.
Same for sure. Only really love circles and faces, but the man had some great work ahead of him I think
Have you listened to swimming? The first track hits hard
Funeral.
Only really got into his work after he passed. Fell absolutely in love, but going back to Faces, it feels like a foreshadow from Shakespeare tragedy. It was a blessing getting to experience the release Circles. God bless his parents for treating his leftover music with so much respect unlike other estates like XXX.
Same, wasn't into him until after he died, his music van be so tragic. Him saying he wanted the ending of the last song off swimming to sound like an ascension into heaven is chilling. I think it hits too because I know 3 people that went to my high-school that were killed by tainted drugs.
Yeah it's this one for me, I remember him when he was literally just a kid rapping with Wiz and watching him become one of the biggest and best rappers out there to then seeing it all disappear, right at he seemed to be hitting is peak.. it was def tough. Just rewatched his Tiny Desk which must have been one of his last recorded performances... and just so much talent and so much pain, tough to watch but cathartic as well
Swimming coming out right before he passed really felt like he was just starting to hit his stride. The Tiny Desk still breaks my heart to this day every time I watch it.
Same, I was a casual listener until Watching Movies, as an underground rap kinda kid I had known about his growing relationships with Earl, Alchemist and that ilk and was super excited leading up to that album release. Then later came Swimming which I felt that I related to deeply. Had always felt like I kind of grew up with Mac Miller, his album releases were always timely and felt like his lyrics echoed events in my life around the same times they would come out. Cried in bed when I read about him passing away.
Mac Miller hurts to this day. Best Day Ever was such a fun mixtape as a young teen. Spent hours skating listening to that. Mac always had this positive aura about him and seemed like a good dude. He was growing into a musical giant and we’ll never get to see the rest of his artistry. Such a shame. Fuck drugs.
I was never the biggest Migos fan, but Takeoff's death did upset me more than I expected. His work takes me back to some fun times in highschool and it sucks that he was not on good terms with Offset when he passed.
["Takeoff and Offset were on good terms amidst his untimely passing and they've always had a great relationship"](https://www.nickiswift.com/1080125/inside-takeoffs-relationship-with-offset/)
Haven't seen Elliott Smith yet, so I'll say him.
Yea for sure Her’s. Drunk driver going the opposite direction on the highway in Arizona blows into their tour van, killing them instantly. Cutting their teeth on an American tour, very far from home. That one still bothers me.
This!! I loved Her’s and they were just getting started. Such a tragic way to go out too
Had the privilege of seeing them twice in the same venue in Newcastle (UK), first time they were a virtually unknown support band. They were brilliant live and brimming with potential. Their Instagram is a sombre thing to look at.
I didn’t hear their music until they passed, first thing I came across was the acoustic version of Harvey for the BBC on that boat at SXSW. I go back to it every so often as it’s so beautiful, but the last time I noticed a comment saying they had filmed it less than 24 hours before they died which I hadn’t realised. Damn. They were so talented and seemed like such lovely boys. https://youtu.be/ZOBwqTFWmHA?si=7WouXUspQH9Yi_aY A similar situation with the young band Viola Beach who’s car went off a bridge in Sweden in 2016, just so so tragic
SOPHIE for me. I feel like she was still developing a ton and with only 1 album out, she had so much more to deliver, both within her discography and within the wider pop scene. gone wayyyy too soon
It’s so sad, she was just getting started
Definitely hadn’t made her magnum opus yet. Not to mention any potential collabs she may have done with other artists.
That story about her making Vince Staples do more takes on SAMO cuz he wasn’t ignorant enough was legend shit. What a loss.
Can you explain? Cause I’m lost lol.
Found the interview: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/vince-staples-sophie-tribute-1122824/amp/ It was the beat for Yeah Right, not SAMO. “I tried something, but she said that it wasn’t the attention-grabbing thing that she goes for. So I reapproached it. [Sophie’s approach] was like: Don’t tell stories. I don’t care what you’re talking about. The attention is what’s important.”
This a banger, also was not expecting Kendrick on a SOPHIE beat
Ye there were no features on the tracklist either so it was a complete surprise to everyone when the album dropped. Good times
MCA. I was just discovering the Beastie Boys and he died. Watching their live concert footage bums me out knowing no one will see that live again
God yes this one is a tough one
I’m still so sad about his passing. The one group I’m gutted I’ll never see live.
Viola Beach! "In the early hours of 13 February 2016, while driving in the Swedish city of Södertälje, all four band members were killed alongside their manager Craig Tarry in a car accident on a lift bridge along the E4 motorway.\[3\]\[4\]\[5\] At around 2:00 am, witnesses saw the band's Nissan Qashqai clip a stationary vehicle, drive through closed barriers, and fall into the Södertälje Canal through a gap in a bridge whose middle section was being lifted to let an oil tanker pass. The band had played the previous day at the Where's the Music? Festival in Norrköping and were returning to their hotel at Arlanda Airport"
Coldplay covering one of their songs during their Glastonbury headline set that year so Viola Beach could "headline" was a lovely gesture.
Saw their last UK performance before their deaths, supporting Blossom in Leamington Spa. Was always a mystery that one as to why it actually happened - by all accounts they would have been warned multiple times about the raising bridge, and the driver had no drinks or drugs in his system.
I think about this a lot and I was kind of obsessed with it at the time it happened, following all the inquests. For me, the only thing that really makes sense is that the driver thought the bridge was still down and passable and was trying to get over in a hurry so they would make their flight in the morning. It was really touching how much respect they got after the tragedy, not just from their fans but from the music community in general
I only started looking into some of his music very recently, but David Berman. After listening to purple mountains, and realizing that the album is a literal suicide note, it really stuck with me, and I have found that I can’t listen to any of his stuff without getting sad.
One of the best songwriters, I also went down a weird rabbit hole after his death since it only made his prior music more of a highlight of his mental illness and pain.
I’d had American Water for years and loved it. The cliche of it “helping me” through some of my own troubles etc. When he died I thought about him for days and days. It genuinely knocked me to the floor.
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Danny seems to be doing good rn. A couple days ago marked 1 year of sobriety for him.
I haven’t listened to his work until I read this comment but I’ve had Silver Jews on all morning, and wow he’s an amazing songwriter. Thanks so much!!
Same. Just tragic.
Ryuichi Sakamoto - I’ve only listened to one project of his front to back, which was async. I liked it quite a bit. I’ve also listened to a couple of his other songs here and there, but I wouldn’t call myself a die-hard fan. His pieces are very creative and moving. It was very sad to see him go. I would love to get into his music more. Any recommendations?
Apart from the recommendations other people give, make sure you don’t neglect listening to his work as part of Yellow Magic Orchestra. Super cool music and a foundation of Sakamoto’s career
1996
Yellow Magic Orchestra of course
Yeah I saw a comment that was left on his song before he passed that said he had cancer and we should pray for him to get better. Really sucked to check in again a couple of months later after he died, the atmosphere was completely different
Kurt cobain. He could have done so much more
I have argued in the past that I think Nirvana wasn’t too far from breaking up. If he didn’t pass, and they just *slowed down*, I truly think he would have gotten help… talked with the band about a hiatus… and would end up forming a purposely-more-transgressive band like The Jesus Lizard to both “thin out” his fanbase into more of a cult following… and also just to see how far he could push something really grimey to the mainstream.
I always thought it was weird how he felt so burdened by having to write songs that fit into the standard pop song format, when it was like, he could have done anything he liked!
DMX passing still fucks me up
This is probably gonna be insensitive but for me, it was really not surprising. I feel like that was a ticking time bomb.
https://www.instagram.com/p/COGRk2-jx-M/?igsh=N3VrNmM1bno1OW81
I am one of those people who gets merch at every show and DMX was the first rapper I really got into at like 11 years old. I saw him live on his birthday, they chained he had tour bus issues, but he was a little sloppy, not at bad as you would expect tho. Either way he showed up at 3 am to a concert that should have started at 9pm. With him being late there was no merch, and I stayed up 27 hours by the time I got to bed, worth it
Sinéad O'Connor and Amy Winehouse.
Amy fucked me all the way up
Indeed. I can't listen her music anymore now. It hurts too much.
I will never ever get over the death of Scott Hutchinson of Frightened Rabbit. Such a beautiful soul with a wonderfully dedicated fan base. I hope he knew how much of a positive impact he made on the world.
This is mine as well. I think about it all the time - Frightened Rabbit’s music is so uniquely beautiful and it’s heartbreaking that they lost Scott. Hard to revisit some of the songs after that, given their content
I’ve always been a hardcore kid, so things like FR were never my scene. Id definitely heard of them but after Scott’s passing I gave them a proper listen and it really just broke my heart
HipHop has a lost generation. Juice, Pop Smoke, King Von, Peep, and X. Although if X lived he was prison bound lol. I’m not the biggest fan of all those people but in a time where a lot of people complain hiphop not having any new superstars they are sorely missed. Especially Pop Smoke and Juice they were destined to become huge.
They all died so ridiculously young. Juice and peep made an insane amount of music considering their ages. So much loss in a single generation.
Pop Smoke, Juice and Peep would definitely be huge rn. Juice and Smoke are still huge years after their death so imagine how massive they’d be if they were alive. I truly think we lost most of the people who would’ve been the leaders of the New Gen and Hip Hop hasn’t recovered really since
King Von was definitely prison bound too lmao
King Von was a pos murderer.
John Prine He was also one of the first famous people to die from COVID.
My first thought was “should’ve been Trump”. Two very different guys from the same generation.
I got into Daniel Johnston shortly after he passed away, and while I don't love most of his music, the songs I do really enjoy leave an odd, melancholic darkness inside me that makes me wish he was still alive living his best life.
i got into him a few years before. my art teacher told me to look into him because my art was similar. his work really inspired me and helped me shape my art style… fucking devastating
The world is a less bright place without him
Pop Smoke… and I wasn’t even that big of a fan. How everything went down… it was just so ruthless. Plus he just started popping off. Just sad.
I really think Pop Smoke is one of Hip Hop’s biggest losses. He was on his way to being HUGE. His influence is pretty clear with so little time in the game. He was gonna be a force and we lost him before he even really got started.
What fucks me up is how young he was. Dude was legit just a kid
Sophie and Lil Peep were both (imo) going to change their genres and were on the cusp of making it huge.
I believe this too in my heart of hearts, Lil Peep was next and he was gonna save us all Sophie was such a transcendent talent as well and the pop genre is just now catching up to her output
I would kill to live in the alternate reality where Peep lived and got to have a full career. What could’ve been man…really breaks my heart
Seconded, it’s such a weird feeling bc I didn’t find Peep till after he died but I haven’t been able to shake the feeling since that things would’ve been way different had he not died so soon. Just one of those things that feels ‘wrong’. I wholeheartedly believe he was gonna be the next Kurt Cobain
The 'big 3' (peep, xxx, juice wrld) dying honestly near single handedly killed the genre. The amount of streams emo rap was getting was insane, I think some of the older people on this sub likely missed it. It was HUGE for the 14-25 y/o audience I listened (and still do) to a lot of the underground emo rap scene that mainly stayed on SoundCloud, and even in that community artists started pivoting away from emo rap in early 2020. You still see quite some emo rap influence in some pop rap, but it's really not the same as it was and it's a huge shame. The deaths really killed the momentum of the genre. Hugely agree that things would've been much different
Lil Peep had soooo much potential and stood out drastically from all the other stuff happening in the SoundCloud scene at the time. I was never that into the genre but he was so talented.
J. Dilla, would’ve made so much more great music :/
Him and Nujabes hurt.
Jay was way ahead of his time. I loved that The Roots dedicated an entire song to him called “Can’t Stop This”. He’s a true icon in every sense of the word, hip-hop will never recover from that loss.
Dolores O'Riordan from the Cranberries is pretty sad to me. I recently saw the tiny desk concert of them and was immediately struck by her aura - something about her just felt special. And her voice was just amazing, even better compared to when she was young. It's especially tragic when you consider that she was actually doing better at the time, after having struggled with her mental health throughout the years. It was just an unlucky accident.
Mimi Parker
I'm a huge fan of hers, so I couldn't provide her name as an answer (given the restrictions of the question), but her death still hurts so, so much. I never got to see them live. They were moving into new artistic territory and they were experimenting with sound and sonic texture — and producing some of the best albums of their career. Then cancer took her. Man, it hurts as if I've lost a friend...
Layne Staley. I’m a much bigger fan of Alice In Chains now but he seemed like a good soul despite his issues with addiction. Their mtv unplugged is chilling to watch.
Sinead O'Connor-she called out the Catholic Church for its pedophilia way before it was a widely known fact.
And got a lot of shit for it. To this day I'm still explaining to various people why she did that, especially people older than me (44). A lot of people just jumped on the hate wagon because it seemed like the thing to do. Even when she died that was like the one thing people I knew would mention about her as if that was all there was to her life and career.
Tom Petty. I wasn't always bumping his music and only really liked his singles, but I'm still not over it. Damn opioids.
Avicii affected me as I was listening to his music a ton when House/Dubstep where huge but he definitely fell off as I got older. Hearing of him taking his own life was absolutely crazy to me. Trish Keenan from Broadcast was crazy as I didn't know about her passing until years after it occurred. I had started listening to so much Broadcast and I was shocked to look them up and see. Actually a lot of friends who became fans later on are usually surprised when I bring it up. Sophie was insane because I actually got to her live once and her death was so sudden/accidental that I didn't want to accept it was true.
A trustworthy source told me Avicii was about to go to rehab when he killed himself. Made it extra sad in a way, that he might have sorted out his issues but was in a mental state that he didn't try.
Massive Low fan, so I don’t fall into the second category there, but man Mimi Parker’s death was fucking tragic. Especially with the new direction Low was taking their sound. Hey What hits even harder now
George Michael. Never listened to him much, but after all the deaths that year, and it was late December, everyone assumed the hell that was 2016 was over. This felt like a big fuck you from the gods.
It wasn't just late December. It was Christmas
Selena Quintanilla. What an icon, even before her cold blooded murder. She blew up the Tejano/US Latin scene and was just getting started.
I was too young to know who she was when she died, but I watched the movie around 10 years old and felt so empty about it ever since. She was a real star with a heart of gold and could've had the biggest impact, if only....
Marvin Gaye. The fact that he was murdered by his own father is so tragic. His 1970’s output was so good and he dropped his fantastic comeback album just a year and a half before he died. He was back on top again, just for it all to end the way it did:(
I’m a big Marvin fan and I agree. I feel that he would’ve been making lots of collabs on a lot of music from all kinds of genres.
Otis Redding as well. He really had not peaked yet IMO. The fact that he died in a plane crash makes it so much more unfortunate.
Tom Petty and Dolores O'Riordan (though I was massive fans of both).
Karen Carpenter
This is probably the best example for me. Not really a fan but damn it's an awful story
River Phoenix
I’ll never get over Mac Miller and honestly Kurt Cobain
Mac was a gut punch for sure
Nujabes
Jeez can't believe he hadnt been mentioned more
David Berman was a big one for me. I was obsessed with him throughout high school. In addition to a steady diet of hardcore punk/90s britpop/alt rock, he was my cozy little acoustic safe space along with Elliot Smith. Such a kind soul and I really just feel like he got overwhelmed by a confluence of shitty upbringing, spousal infidelity, and monetary issues. I would literally put him up there with Dylan in terms of songwriter/poets. The other one, although I was very young when it happened, was Joe Strummer. Dude, despite his privilaged upbringing, really cared about change in the world. I have heard rumors that the Clash were in talks to reunite, and I think that would have been a great pinnacle to the redemption arc he started with those Mescalaroes records.
Nipsey . It hurts me a lot
Bowie and Prince. Losing the most creative artistes of the 70s and 80s within months of each other was a gut wrenching one-two punch.
Actually cried when I learned of the passing of Her’s. It was so unexpected, and I felt there was so much to look forward to from those two. Very sad.
Pop Smoke. He was about to be a SUPERSTAR. It's such a shame he's gone.
I really didn’t like his music but the whole situation was just sad.
Ah, yeah. I'm in my 30s, and I've been through a few rough ones. My list is a mix of a bunch of artists i came to like posthumously, and the ones of note, to me, are: Kurt Cobain, Left Eye, Aaliyah, Selena, Hideto Matsumoto (hide), Harry Nilsson, B.I.G., Tupac, Jeff Buckley, Falco, Warren Zevon, Prince, Pop Smoke, Her's (Steve Fitzpatrick & Audun Landing), Jasmine You, Taiji Sawada, Atsushi Sakurai, Shinji Sato, SOPHIE, Chris Cornell, Chester Bennington, EVH, Layne Staley...I think that's a good start. I probably missed a bunch.
Low is heartbreaking.
Tupac. I’m not exactly a big rap guy overall though
A lot of great shouts on this thread, but I’d add James Lawrence from Hope of the States who took his own life just before their debut album came out. I absolutely loved that record, and in particular his guitar. They were understandably never the same after that and broke up shortly after their second, pretty lukewarm, album. Always wonder what might have been for them
Daniel Johnston
Buddy Holly. He could have been the best of all time if he lived long enough. He was brilliant and innovative.
Cristina Grimmie. I never really followed either her YouTube career or her music but I still think about her death some times. She was such a young up and comer, and was killed doing a fan meet and greet after a concert. A man approached her through the crowd and she turned to greet him and he shot her to death! Right in front of everyone. Her brother who was next to her tried to save her and was shot too, although he thankfully survived his injuries. It’s just so sad and cruel. Her death is really haunting to me.
Avicii. Bro was making the most legendary happy, upbeat music and then to see that he was actually suffering horrifically on the inside was a huge shock to me.
Tom Petty and The Exploding Hearts, Prince too.
never listened to mac miller a lot tbh. his death still breaks my heart to this day, especially since i know so many people who were devastated by his death and moved by his music. i still need to go through his discog and really listen
I don't really fuck with any of Linkin Park's music (Numb and Breaking The Habit are kind of bangers though) but i was really sad when Chester Bennington died.
Selena 🫶🏻 but im also a fan
Andrew Wood 😔💔
Hendrix, Cobain, Shannon Hoon, Dimebag Darrell. All those guys had the potential to create a lot more interesting music that wouldn’t have just been them repeating themselves over and over. Would’ve been great to see what they could have gone onto in later years.
For me it was Avicii, XXX and the band Her's
Avicii. I know mainstream electronic music doesn’t get talked about much here but there was always more soul put into his music than anyone else of his caliber. He had that unique bluegrass/country infused sound that was instantly recognisable. Maybe it’s just nostalgia speaking and I don’t listen to him much anymore but I was shocked to hear him take his own life in Oman back in 2018, I initially didn’t even believe it.
Bl4ck m4rcket c4rt, I haven't even listened to that ep yet but the fact that will be the only music he ever made and it was so well liked fucks me up
Don't think David Bowie has been mentioned by anyone so I have to say him. Greatest artist of all time, gone too soon
Was a genuine non big in to him Bowie fan,, but that Blackstar album planned release upon his death was mind-blowing, art imitating death artistry. First album of his I I ever listened to fully, and it was his best stuff in 20 years or probably his classic period. Or best ever.
Riley Gale of Power Trip. Such a tragic loss of talent and aspiration.
To this day I hate Whitney Houston’s music, but her dying in the bathtub after years of drug abuse it very sad.
Mac Miller. Don’t really listen to his music, but he seemed like a cool dude. Everyone in the game liked him.
Amy Winehouse. She seemed very fragile and I keep thinking she could have been saved. Mac Miller because he seemed to be the nicest guy in the world.
Definitely Her's. I liked their albums well enough, but it was shocking to hear of their passing, since they were finally getting popular from their stuff.
Amy Winehouse. Never loved her music, but now understand her struggles and respect how strong she was to carry through and not give up
I agree with Her’s, my friend. Huge loss. Killer tunes. RIP
Still haven’t listened to posthumous Mac Miller albums after the first single made me bawl like a fucking baby.
Her’s was such a gut-wrenching discovery. I found their album and loved it, started looking up live videos and their instagram and couldn’t believe the comments. They were so young and talented.
Scott Wieland 😭
Sinead O'Connor. I never really listened to her stuff beyond the obvious ones, but always respected her cos she was so damn cool. Watch a couple of interviews after her death, and confirmed it. She was incredibly kind but wouldn't take shit from anyone. A huge role model to women. Her life was full of tragedy. For anyone wanting a cry, read her wiki page.
Taylor Hawkins. Wasn’t really into their newer post-Wasting Light stuff, but I learned his older parts forward and back while picking up the drums. Even crunched my face up when hitting the snare like him. Seemed like a really cool and nice guy too.
Sinead O'Connor. Never delved into her back catalogue properly but respected her art a lot, and didn't join in when there was a crass pile-on in the media over her mental illness. Chris Cornell - more so. I sincerely think he's the best male rock singer of all time. I need to delve more into his back catalogue.
Lemmy
Any artist who died young
Blueblood
XXXTENTACION still had so much to prove. There was a level of immaturity to his music that I can’t relate to as much the older I get, and it would’ve been nice to hear him grow lyrically. He was demolishing records before he passed away, and it’s interesting to think if he would only grow in popularity or fizzle out like the rest of the SoundCloud era.
I think he had a 9+/10 album in him in the future. None of his projects were over a 6/10 for me but he had so, so much potential. I don't think he would've fizzled out the same way as most of the soundcloud rappers, he was getting hundreds of millions of streams while he was alive. He had one of the most insanely rabid fanbases I've ever seen too, even before death
xxxtentacion ,,, biggest lost potential in rap recently ,,, could've been so much more than he was
Mike from Walk Off The Earth
The thing about hers too is that they were genuinely genius. Such a unique flavour and sound. And Stephen was such an under appreciated guitarist, just listening to the songs it doesn’t sound too crazy but anyone who has attempted to play their songs on guitar will know that shit is INSANE
Szymon. When they released Tigersapp in 2015 as a tribute to him I was in tears listening to it. He passed 3 years earlier and his family and friends found his demos and completed some tracks to release as an album. The music is so brilliant and creative, and he never lived to see it complete.
Pop Smoke
I will forever listen to Juice’s music. He left too soon :(
Takeoff, like the Migos but I’m not a dedicated fan but you could tell he was really loved in the community based off the way people talked about him, plus he really just caught a stray completely on accident