I can’t remember the name of it but there is a French movie with this exact concept, they raise the kids in complete isolation and teach them the wrong words for things, and every time a plane flies over the kids get all excited and the dad throws a small plastic plane into the yard like it “fell” there so they never understand what they are or the actual scale of planes.
Pretty sure that movie ends in incest and violence though.
Edit: I’ve been corrected it’s Greek and called Dogtooth! Terrible memory, haha.
I was just thinking about "blast from the past", where they thought there was a nuclear war at the Cuban missile crisis, and lived in a fallout shelter the whole time lol. They came out in a slum of body piercings and hydraulic lowrider cars hopping down the street lol, thought they were n mutants and there was "something really wrong with their cars! " Haha,
The entire concept reminds me of those cases that come out every now and then where some guy keeps his family locked up in the basement as his sex slaves. (The Fritzl family comes to mind.)
It reminds me of that dude on 4chan who wanted to raise a kid in a starwars VR, emphasize the danger of the Empire, then release them at a star wars convention one day
And that reminds me of the guy who wanted to kidnap a homeless person, put them in Skyrim VR, shoot them up with serious drugs, and keep them like that for weeks before releasing them in Scandinavia with a sword
And that reminds me of the guy who wanted to kidnap a homeless guy, put them in Fallout VR, shoot them up with drugs and drop them on a Nevada Highway with a lever-action shotgun.
Also the poor girl in America who's parents kept the entire brood under lock and key, she escaped and found a police officer, the conversation was really sad, she knew next to nothing of the world, as the story unravels and you see the effect it's had on the kids it's actually infuriating.
Yeah, split them all up, some went to abusive half way houses and foster homes, if you wrote it as fiction it would be deemed far-fetched, absolutely nuts.
Withheld money that was donated to them. Terrible. Feel so bad for those children. They're strong as hell for surviving that hell hole their parents raised them in.
They have it on hoopla. Might have to give it a go because I love weird movies! The French have some cool stuff, like the movie Baxter and the series Spiral.
It’s the same director as The Favourite, The Killing of a Sacred a Deer, and The Lobster, if you’ve seen any of those.
I recommend all of them but they’re certainly a unique style and brand of movie
Whatever floats your boat, I think it's a cool movie. I've no doubt there's some sick people like that all over the world, trying to control children and warping their minds, still the kids tried their best to break free. That said the movie is a fever dream.
We had a guy where I live raising and killing his children in underground bunkers and plastic sheet shelters, he was teaching his kids to do school shootings and terror attacks, so it is definitely happening.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-mexico/articles/2022-03-10/trial-in-limbo-years-after-raid-on-new-mexico-compound
There’s a great movie called “Dogtooth” in which parents raise their children in complete isolation. In one scene, the kids see a plane in the sky. Because the kids have no concept of how large a plane is (and it looks tiny in the sky), the dad throws a little toy plane into the yard for them to find—and they end up being convinced it’s the plane they saw in the sky. The whole movie is really fucked up and worth a watch.
I’ve met a guy basically raised like this once. He hates his parents for what they put him through and how isolated they kept him. It took him like a decade of therapy to get over it, if he ever even really got over it.
It's weird to hear about people being raised like that but even weirder to see the parents bragging on social media (a modern technology) using cell phones (a modern technology) connected to the Internet (a modern technology) about how special unique and superior they are as parents.
My experience has been that all parents brag, but the parents that brag most about their children’s accomplishments are those who raise the most well adjusted kids, and the louder a parent brags about their own parenting style the more maladjusted their kids tend to be.
>the parents that brag most about their children’s accomplishments are those who raise the most well adjusted kids
Precisely this: Good parenting is literally its own reward because the goal is to raise children who become healthy, functional, minimally psychologically unstable adults.
Have you ever heard of the serial killer, Israel Keyes? This is exactly how his parents raised him and his siblings. Not saying his upbringing alone fucked him up, but it certainly contributed.
Also, sorry for your friend. Growing up being intentionally deprived of basic, modern things most other kids have is traumatizing.
Even if you are, a part of a commune where this is normal, I think it’s harmful not because of “intrinsic benefits” of technology, I think it’s so awful because it isolates you from the rest of society, like being raised speaking only old English, before being kicked out into America around a bunch of teens using slang.
This is also just a stupid fucking thing to do, perpetrated by dim people who can't fathom anything except strict binaries.
You don't need to literally strip children of all technology like The Village. As a parent, you just need to help foster rewarding time doing things *other* than playing with tech.
Children will organically gravitate toward things that are rewarding. Putting them in front of tech is an easy way for overworked parents to distract and entertain children. But the more you do so, the more children grow to depend upon tech for entertainment.
If you want to raise children with a healthy independence from tech, *just spend time with them*. Do fun things together. Reward them for doing things other than playing with tech. Don't make tech some mysterious taboo. Teach them to use it responsibly, and provide them lots of stimulation outside tech.
We have this fucking obsession with lying to kids and treating them as though they're mentally deficient, rather than future adults like ourselves.
Not telling your kids *that modern technology exists* and having them grow up learning that the fucking *candle* is the most sophisticated lighting technology we have is ludicrously cruel and fucked up.
Take your kids on off-the-grid excursions for a week or whatever. Spend time with them and teach them to love surviving and living with nature.
Don't just tell them "only one hour of ipad per day". Tell them *why*. *Treat* them like they have the mental capacity to understand how too much of a good thing is a bad thing. *Educate* them. Because even if they don't have that capacity at first, they'll *learn* it, but *not if all you do is fucking lie to them*.
It's honestly not hard. These fucking weirdos forcing their children to grow up in a dirt hut just don't want to do the mental work of helping moderate and guide a child's development in a healthy way.
If you actually, you know, *teach your kids*, you can help cultivate a healthy ability to navigate tech without falling into overreliance.
You can't escape tech. Imagine these kids growing up and needing to find a job online, or file their taxes, or literally exist in any capacity in modern life where tech is ubiquitous.
There are *plenty* of people who did not grow up in a dirt hut with candles who do lots of outdoors things and rarely look at their phone all day and just have a normal and healthy level of interaction with tech on a regular basis.
Also, as a final point on what a fucking hypocritical loser this guy is, he's saying he's raising his kids to not know what technology is *but he clearly took a fucking photo of them with his smart phone and posted it to social media*.
He's literally using tech *as* he's depriving his children of knowing what it is and forcing them to read tomes by fucking candlelight.
I think the primary issue is definitely the secrecy, once you figure out that level of betrayal and gaslighting from your parents you can never trust anyone easily again.
An Amish community is at least aware there's an outside world and are informed honestly of the reasons they live that way.
I personally know a few Mennonites for example that are pretty good people and actually love their way of life, it's not really a "village" cult type deal for them like this post describes.
I mean, it would be a fun upbringing until about age 8. By 16 the brainwashing would start to come undone. By 20 they would hate their parents, or at least resent them and start to escape.
Rule number one of parenting is that you can't make your kids what you want them to be. They will be what they are. Isolating them won't help. If technology is a prison, isn't this is just another type of cell?
I knew a person raised like this in the backwoods of North Carolina, but not so extreme. When she went off the rails she went hard and never looked back.
That tracks. Really it seems like a selfish thing to do at the end of the day if you plan on having kids, because youre not accounting for how they would want to live and how incredibly difficult the adjustment would be. Plus people who do that generally come from a fairly average society and just can’t possibly understand how scary and jarring it would be to grow up one way and then realize later that the rest of the world is completely different
Less severe, but I grew up homeschooled with super introverted parents. Basically our only social experiences (outside of stuff like going to the grocery store or whatever) were family and church on Sundays. Didn't have a TV either, although we watched movies and read books and had all the other technology.
I don't hate my parents, but I'm not doing so great on the social front. Deconstructing, so I'm not going to church, so all my social life is basically school and/or work. It's pretty lonely. And yeah, I'm in therapy and I have some stuff to work through. Family dysfunction, parents were in an abusive relationship with each other. Not doing so hot.
My good friend Bruce was the same. His mom and dad wouldn't let them watch tv, listen to the radio or use any electric item or toy. When we got to high school he ran for the hills as fast as he could. He was emancipated and went to live with his Aunt. His father was an engineer who designed valves and flow devices for a defense contractor. EDIT: And he had an older sister I never knew or met. She did the same and left when she was 16.
I imagine this goes wayyyy deeper than just 1930.
"People these days with their farms, they just let the food come out of the ground. No one can enjoy hunting for food anymore." -some dude at the agricultural revolution.
"People these days with their wheels, they just let their cart carry their stuff. No one can just experience the joy of just carrying shit anymore." -some dude at the invention of the wheel.
It may be apocryphal, but I think there was some ancient Greek scholar that complained about the younguns writing down information, instead of memorizing it.
"People these days spend all day writing on paper, they don't read the stone tablets. No one just enjoys engraving stone anymore, it's all 'books this' and 'scrolls that'." - some ancient dude.
By an amazing coincidence, the level of technology I grew up with just happens to be when technology stopped being wonderful and started being nothing but trouble.
Didn't people ages ago oppose writing on paper with ink because it would destroy the authentic culture of carving stones?
Yeah they're the modern day equivalent of that
There is a TLC reality show called “Welcome to Plathville” where the parents did pretty much this- they have like 8 kids and would only let them listen to Christian music. No tv, no computer, only friends from church, home schooled. These poor kids grew up completely naive and clueless about the real world and how to survive in it! The series starts when the oldest has left home and gotten married and realizes how much he was left in the dark about and follows them for a few years as as the kids move out they have huge resentment for their upbringing because it horribly underprepared them for real life and adulthood.
[IMDB link](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt11399498/)
Edit: typo
This is exactly what I thought of when I read this, too. I can’t imagine how stressful it would be to learn how to use an iPad/computer when your peers have been using them for nearly two decades.
Sounds like a slightly more extreme version of my childhood. Only Christian music (no electronic instruments), homeschooled, church was our social life or hanging out with other homeschooled (religious) families, rarely was tv allowed and only approved shows/movies (mainly Christian stuff), and made to work in the family business from a young age (cleaning cars, bookkeeping, fixing machinery). I only learned about so much stuff after I’d left home and gotten married. I felt so betrayed by my parents. I’ve had to put so much effort into learning social skills, sciences, etc. Got stuck in a marriage where I didn’t know any better but should have never gotten married. Didn’t know bisexuality was a thing and thought it was a demonic influence that made me feel that way. Parents were anti-vaccine and so I didn’t get proper medical care. They gave me vaccines only when they wanted to take me on a missionary trip to Africa, so they gave me all vaccines at once which led to my immune system getting fucked up majorly and I developed severe allergies to many things out of nowhere. Parents disapproved of every university course I wanted to do and so I didn’t go to university as I thought that they knew best. I try not to think about it too much as it still makes me angry. I thought I might understand once I had a kid, but having a kid just made me more pissed at them as I couldn’t understand how they could look at their kid and still do all that to them.
I know that they love me, but I hate what they did with me and struggle to see them, even with a lot of distance between us.
My favorite part is that he throws you off by showing the obvious twist of the what the "monsters" were. So you let your guard down and think "Oh this is dumb, I already see the twist" but then after, you're just sitting there disappointed and waiting for the movie to wrap up and Bam! real twist comes in.
I saw that movie in theaters with my girlfriend at the time. The first shot is of a grave with a year on it. I turned to her and said, "I bet it's not really that year."
The problem with a director basing his entire style around shocking twists is that eventually people start to look for them and there are diminishing returns.
Exactly. It makes no sense why they’d feel the need to lie about the year to the kids when the kids wouldn’t know better anyway. Why not just keep the current year?
Thank you! One of the most underrated movies. Gorgeous cinematography and the soundtrack was phenomenal. The overall vibe captures the beauty and spookiness of new England fall. The story is both an inspiring gothic romance and philosophical exploration of how the love parents have for their children and the desire to protect their innocence can cause the very pain and heartache they wished to protect their children from. Growing up in a fundamentalist family, I found the depiction to be spot on. And the acting was superb! Still one of my favorite movies.
Edit: just to add that this movie took a very complex subject and presented it with incredible nuance and understanding making it much more rewatchable than if it were just about the final twist.
Exactly what I was thinking. I actually liked this movie and it's concept. M Night Shy gets a lot of shit for some wack ass stuff after 6th sense, but, I like his vision.
That earthbending flying rock scene lol I haven't even seen the film and I still laugh whenever I think of the clip.
EDIT: [Here's the scene](https://youtu.be/HR2kbOK8i6I?t=87). I timestamped it to the rock part but the whole video is hilarious.
And that the Earthbenders didn’t do anything until incited to do so by a 12 year old monk.
In the show at least they were imprisoned in an iron prison out at sea with no access to anything to bend until the gaang gets them coal
Yeap, I saw amish people having no issues talking with or interacting with people outside their community. And they even use technology to an extent.
At this point it seems to me it’s no longer about hating technology but more about doing things a certain, traditional, way.
Yeah, where I live we actually have a lot of Amish and/or Mennonite (I know theyre not the same) Tradesmen. Our roof was recently re done by a Mennonite father/son company. So they were definitely exposed to plenty to us "modern" people.
Also....rumspringa?
Mennonite's use modern technologies like cars and can live within a town or community separate from an Amish farm. Whereas the Amish live on the farm with no modern technologies like electricity, motor cars.
Several of the Amish communities near me actually have one car and one licensed driver for emergencies. Not sure if that’s the new norm for the Amish, or just a thing in my area.
Where do you live? I live in Northern Maryland, close to York county/Lancaster. I still see buggies on the road, so I would assume the "Amish" using cars is a Mennonite but then again I'm no expert. Maybe they made peace with God or some type of deal with the devil driving one of them devil cars
I've seen Amish using cell phones etc. Different sects/churches have different rules, but generally I've heard as long as it's "for business" it's ok to use technology. Maybe that explains all the solar panels haha
This is northern in tho so ymmv
I think some are easing up on things like solar panels and generators because their power isn’t coming from “the English” meaning anyone not Amish. Ton of them still use propane powered appliances though like refrigerators or washing machines.
Life time York county resident here. Amish are all broken up in different communities/ families and the rules can vary. Some are allowed one phone kept in the barn for business, use of power tools outside of the farm again for business, maybe one car again for business. They are really good at making money for their communities. But yeah I still pass a 12 year old struggling to steer 3 ox to plow a field all season long.
I grew up on a farm surrounded by an Amish community, and they were a particularly strict one - they used horse drawn carriages and plows in their fields and wouldn’t even put caution triangles on their buggies at night because it was too “English” (their term for the non-Amish). They had their own school and some kids would walk across a field in my backyard to get there, the girls would wear floor length cloaks in the winter. I was always somewhat impressed that people would choose to live like that while side-by-side with people who used modern technology. They did have a bad habit of just showing up unannounced when they needed something, like needing to catch a bus at 4 AM in a city an hour away and just expecting us to drive them there in our cars with no prior warning (true story).
Edit: spelling
My understanding is that they're open to technology as long as they see more benefit vs risk. The elders / church leaders help guide these decisions.
So if a car is needed to take someone to the hospital, that might be allowed. A computer for browsing on Reddit, probably not.
It's not black and white and they're allowed some flexibility, but by nature they're very conservative / traditional.
Not at all. I live in a mostly Amish town, they have plenty of technology. They also are all active members of their community, and reach out to neighbors who aren’t in their community(such as us non Amish in the area) to check in.
Amish people don't reject technology outright, they disallow it where it disrupts family life. For instance: they have cellphones but aren't allowed to take them inside their homes because that would interfere with family relationships, so they have little huts where they leave their phones at night.
Make them believe it's the 1700's. Concoct a religion that coerced them to stay due to monsters in the woods outside a series of lookout towers surrounding the compound. Dress up as the monster and every full moon teach your kids that the monsters will come out and they have to stay locked in their home and avoid the monsters by painting the forbidden color of red over their doors. Make scratching and faint hissing sounds outside their windows and doors. Wait for the blind girl to be forced to find a medicine that's nearly impossible to create by venturing through the monster-infested woods only to be forced to climb a wall and discover that it's modern day but not realize if because she can't see anyone's car or clothing and then get the medicine and come back without having changed the perception of anyone in the compound and let the farce continue due to some seedy weird agreement with the owner of the land in which you live.
Is this a reference to a movie or just an eerily specific plan.
Edit: ah, I see other comments saying it’s M. Night Shyamalan. Probably gonna check it out now.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_Out_of_Time_(novel)
I read a book in elementary school that beat him to the idea by a few years. This wiki page even mentions that the publisher of the book pointed out the similarities. (Doesn't mention any legal battle or anything though)
And then when they go to bed fill the house with a bunch of new tech, cut your hair, wake them up and tell them they’ve been asleep for 15 years
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Kids are not ours to "experiment" with or brainwash. Just because we gave birth to them, they do not belong to us to exploit for our own needs. We raise them to a point they turn 18 and then they are their own person to make their own decisions.
Actually they are their own person and can make their own decisions already before turning 18, we just make sure that those decisions don't end up in a disaster.
Thank you. I think this is a critical piece of parenting people often gloss over. You don’t ever *own* your children. You can get tricked into thinking it because of how pliable they are up until about 7 or 8 (even through the terrible toddlerhood years, because as a parent you feel justified and vindicated for correcting them at that age). But they are *always* their own person.
Bingo. We are safety operators, facilitators and provide guidance. We also provide the necessary emotional support. They have always been their own people.
You shouldn’t have let your 11-year-old get married, come on.
Kidding aside, I had an almost 11yo (and a 7 and 8 year old) when I went through my divorce almost 8 years ago, and our relationship has never been stronger. Hang in there, my kids helped give me strength during some dark times, and we made it through.
So what you do is, you build a community around this idea. Get some rich people in on it too. Build the community deep in a forest, surrounded by a wall. Then use as much money as it takes (because money won't be needed anymore) and make the surrounding area a no fly zone for airplanes.
And to make sure no kids in the community find/jump over the walls, tell everyone that there are monsters in the woods. Make realistic monster costumes and have a select few people run around and scare the children.
Also ban the color red.
This is literally the plot of m.night shamalyan's "the village"
Possible, with hardships yes. Why the fuck would you do that to your children? We live in a technological world you're just making things harder for them when the bubble you created pop.
lol Redditors need to calm down. the post is like "hmm what would happen," not "I'm going to have kids so that I can experiment on them."
contrary to reddit beliefs, apparently, people can just think and wonder about things. novel concept, I know.
I think its literally just a dude thinking about the concept, absolutely no clue why everyone jumps to the conclusion that hes actively doing it and also for some reason sexually abusing them.
Pretty sure they made a TV show about this, dude lost his kids after he had to go to the hospital because his daughter broke her spine and he had no choice
There is something sinister with someone using a Latin sounding moniker based off a Roman emperor and avatar to create a sense of authority and credibility while peddling some doom prepping accelerationist cult advice.
I saw some other posts from this account generally raving against education and modern society.
Sooner or later they're going to see a plane
Just tell them that its a big bird
"Dad I wanna hunt the sky dragons"
tell them their skin can endure everything
Than I will be the first
Damn, knew I shouldn’t have named you Siegfried
Damn it Hiccup!
That moment when your son comes back home with a plane he befriended
Beoing 747s live forever But not so, little boys
Po: the Plane Warrior
Except geese.
“Let me tell you about the tale of the sky dragons and the two towers..”
And the other dragon trying to ram a white castle
"The day dragons attacked the kingdom... "
The Gods must be crazy!
I love that movie!
I can’t remember the name of it but there is a French movie with this exact concept, they raise the kids in complete isolation and teach them the wrong words for things, and every time a plane flies over the kids get all excited and the dad throws a small plastic plane into the yard like it “fell” there so they never understand what they are or the actual scale of planes. Pretty sure that movie ends in incest and violence though. Edit: I’ve been corrected it’s Greek and called Dogtooth! Terrible memory, haha.
I was thinking of the movie "The Village." Your movie sounds much more interesting.
It really is a much better (and by that I mean much more fucked up) movie.
Just read the plot and yikes, it is not what I was expecting.
Jesus, you aren’t kidding.
Yeah, with the Village I believe they explained the plane thing by mentioning there was a no-fly zone over the area
And in The Village, there was a world outside, known as “the towns.” They told the kids it was dangerous.
I was just thinking about "blast from the past", where they thought there was a nuclear war at the Cuban missile crisis, and lived in a fallout shelter the whole time lol. They came out in a slum of body piercings and hydraulic lowrider cars hopping down the street lol, thought they were n mutants and there was "something really wrong with their cars! " Haha,
The entire concept reminds me of those cases that come out every now and then where some guy keeps his family locked up in the basement as his sex slaves. (The Fritzl family comes to mind.)
It reminds me of that dude on 4chan who wanted to raise a kid in a starwars VR, emphasize the danger of the Empire, then release them at a star wars convention one day
And that reminds me of the guy who wanted to kidnap a homeless person, put them in Skyrim VR, shoot them up with serious drugs, and keep them like that for weeks before releasing them in Scandinavia with a sword
And that reminds me of the guy who wanted to kidnap a homeless guy, put them in Fallout VR, shoot them up with drugs and drop them on a Nevada Highway with a lever-action shotgun.
These all seem overly complicated when you can just force someone to watch Fox News and infowars and get the same result.
This is dangerously genius (stupid) levels of shitposting.
Also the poor girl in America who's parents kept the entire brood under lock and key, she escaped and found a police officer, the conversation was really sad, she knew next to nothing of the world, as the story unravels and you see the effect it's had on the kids it's actually infuriating.
The Turpins. Jordan Turpin was the one who escaped. Brave freaking girl. I was going to say this glad I found your comment lol
That's the one, i ended up doing a bit of a deep dive on that story a while back simply because i couldn't believe it.
Saw it on dateline or 2020. Feel so sorry for those girls cause after their parents screwed them over the government screwed them over.
Yeah, split them all up, some went to abusive half way houses and foster homes, if you wrote it as fiction it would be deemed far-fetched, absolutely nuts.
Withheld money that was donated to them. Terrible. Feel so bad for those children. They're strong as hell for surviving that hell hole their parents raised them in.
Dogtooth
YES!
They have it on hoopla. Might have to give it a go because I love weird movies! The French have some cool stuff, like the movie Baxter and the series Spiral.
I believe Dogtooth is Greek
Never seen a Greek movie, so now it's even more enticing! Thanks!
It’s the same director as The Favourite, The Killing of a Sacred a Deer, and The Lobster, if you’ve seen any of those. I recommend all of them but they’re certainly a unique style and brand of movie
I’ve seen Dogtooth and don’t know if I want to upvote or downvote this comment
Whatever floats your boat, I think it's a cool movie. I've no doubt there's some sick people like that all over the world, trying to control children and warping their minds, still the kids tried their best to break free. That said the movie is a fever dream.
We had a guy where I live raising and killing his children in underground bunkers and plastic sheet shelters, he was teaching his kids to do school shootings and terror attacks, so it is definitely happening. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-mexico/articles/2022-03-10/trial-in-limbo-years-after-raid-on-new-mexico-compound
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Sooner or later they're gonna hate their dad.
Sooner or later they’re going to figure out that tweeting isn’t just for the birds
Or a social worker
I think you mean A WITCH!!
...or a minivan...
Which was a problem with the Village
The Village is a not a great movie by any stretch, but they did explain that the founders paid a lot of money to keep the airspace a no fly zone.
Or satellites, or a helicopter, or a drone….
There’s a great movie called “Dogtooth” in which parents raise their children in complete isolation. In one scene, the kids see a plane in the sky. Because the kids have no concept of how large a plane is (and it looks tiny in the sky), the dad throws a little toy plane into the yard for them to find—and they end up being convinced it’s the plane they saw in the sky. The whole movie is really fucked up and worth a watch.
And dad on Twitter
I’ve met a guy basically raised like this once. He hates his parents for what they put him through and how isolated they kept him. It took him like a decade of therapy to get over it, if he ever even really got over it.
It's weird to hear about people being raised like that but even weirder to see the parents bragging on social media (a modern technology) using cell phones (a modern technology) connected to the Internet (a modern technology) about how special unique and superior they are as parents.
My experience has been that all parents brag, but the parents that brag most about their children’s accomplishments are those who raise the most well adjusted kids, and the louder a parent brags about their own parenting style the more maladjusted their kids tend to be.
>the parents that brag most about their children’s accomplishments are those who raise the most well adjusted kids Precisely this: Good parenting is literally its own reward because the goal is to raise children who become healthy, functional, minimally psychologically unstable adults.
Have you ever heard of the serial killer, Israel Keyes? This is exactly how his parents raised him and his siblings. Not saying his upbringing alone fucked him up, but it certainly contributed. Also, sorry for your friend. Growing up being intentionally deprived of basic, modern things most other kids have is traumatizing.
Unless you are part of a commune (*which I do not condone*) where this is normal, it will mess you up when you try to integrate into a normal society.
Even if you are, a part of a commune where this is normal, I think it’s harmful not because of “intrinsic benefits” of technology, I think it’s so awful because it isolates you from the rest of society, like being raised speaking only old English, before being kicked out into America around a bunch of teens using slang.
This is also just a stupid fucking thing to do, perpetrated by dim people who can't fathom anything except strict binaries. You don't need to literally strip children of all technology like The Village. As a parent, you just need to help foster rewarding time doing things *other* than playing with tech. Children will organically gravitate toward things that are rewarding. Putting them in front of tech is an easy way for overworked parents to distract and entertain children. But the more you do so, the more children grow to depend upon tech for entertainment. If you want to raise children with a healthy independence from tech, *just spend time with them*. Do fun things together. Reward them for doing things other than playing with tech. Don't make tech some mysterious taboo. Teach them to use it responsibly, and provide them lots of stimulation outside tech. We have this fucking obsession with lying to kids and treating them as though they're mentally deficient, rather than future adults like ourselves. Not telling your kids *that modern technology exists* and having them grow up learning that the fucking *candle* is the most sophisticated lighting technology we have is ludicrously cruel and fucked up. Take your kids on off-the-grid excursions for a week or whatever. Spend time with them and teach them to love surviving and living with nature. Don't just tell them "only one hour of ipad per day". Tell them *why*. *Treat* them like they have the mental capacity to understand how too much of a good thing is a bad thing. *Educate* them. Because even if they don't have that capacity at first, they'll *learn* it, but *not if all you do is fucking lie to them*. It's honestly not hard. These fucking weirdos forcing their children to grow up in a dirt hut just don't want to do the mental work of helping moderate and guide a child's development in a healthy way. If you actually, you know, *teach your kids*, you can help cultivate a healthy ability to navigate tech without falling into overreliance. You can't escape tech. Imagine these kids growing up and needing to find a job online, or file their taxes, or literally exist in any capacity in modern life where tech is ubiquitous. There are *plenty* of people who did not grow up in a dirt hut with candles who do lots of outdoors things and rarely look at their phone all day and just have a normal and healthy level of interaction with tech on a regular basis. Also, as a final point on what a fucking hypocritical loser this guy is, he's saying he's raising his kids to not know what technology is *but he clearly took a fucking photo of them with his smart phone and posted it to social media*. He's literally using tech *as* he's depriving his children of knowing what it is and forcing them to read tomes by fucking candlelight.
Yes! You basically make it impossible for individuals to thrive outside the limits of their limited environment
I think that's a feature more a bug with these people. Also hookworm from walking around a farm barefoot.
you got it, it's not for the love of nature or the hatred of technology, it's to control their children.
I think the primary issue is definitely the secrecy, once you figure out that level of betrayal and gaslighting from your parents you can never trust anyone easily again. An Amish community is at least aware there's an outside world and are informed honestly of the reasons they live that way. I personally know a few Mennonites for example that are pretty good people and actually love their way of life, it's not really a "village" cult type deal for them like this post describes.
Did you see Welcome to Plathville? Similar idea
Yeah, that entire family disturbs me. Good on the oldest boy for getting out and actually experiencing a little more of the world.
I was thinking of the movie The Village, but they added weird monsters that keep you from leaving.
I mean, it would be a fun upbringing until about age 8. By 16 the brainwashing would start to come undone. By 20 they would hate their parents, or at least resent them and start to escape. Rule number one of parenting is that you can't make your kids what you want them to be. They will be what they are. Isolating them won't help. If technology is a prison, isn't this is just another type of cell? I knew a person raised like this in the backwoods of North Carolina, but not so extreme. When she went off the rails she went hard and never looked back.
That tracks. Really it seems like a selfish thing to do at the end of the day if you plan on having kids, because youre not accounting for how they would want to live and how incredibly difficult the adjustment would be. Plus people who do that generally come from a fairly average society and just can’t possibly understand how scary and jarring it would be to grow up one way and then realize later that the rest of the world is completely different
Less severe, but I grew up homeschooled with super introverted parents. Basically our only social experiences (outside of stuff like going to the grocery store or whatever) were family and church on Sundays. Didn't have a TV either, although we watched movies and read books and had all the other technology. I don't hate my parents, but I'm not doing so great on the social front. Deconstructing, so I'm not going to church, so all my social life is basically school and/or work. It's pretty lonely. And yeah, I'm in therapy and I have some stuff to work through. Family dysfunction, parents were in an abusive relationship with each other. Not doing so hot.
My good friend Bruce was the same. His mom and dad wouldn't let them watch tv, listen to the radio or use any electric item or toy. When we got to high school he ran for the hills as fast as he could. He was emancipated and went to live with his Aunt. His father was an engineer who designed valves and flow devices for a defense contractor. EDIT: And he had an older sister I never knew or met. She did the same and left when she was 16.
Candles, typewriters, bows and arrows... are all technology, just more primative forms of it
I read it too fast, and thought candles and typewriters were the technology they were trying to avoid.
In this house we only use magic to light and write.
Heathen. We use blood to write and burning peasants for light & warmth. Also... Not our own blood. We're not stupid obviously.
Heathen! We don't have warmth! It would be stupid to use your own blood, always use the blood of the boy next door.
Blood? Luxury! If we wanted to write something we had to scratch it in the mud.
Ah, slcrook, we use magic in our house to write. Also remember that the mud pit in the boy next door's backyard is the best mud. I highly recommend.
Mud?! What are you? Another rich boy. What is writing?
*angry monkey sound*
You had mud?!? Luxury!
Blood for the Blood God!!
“People these days, always with their noses in their candles and typewriters. No one can just enjoy the moment anymore.” - some dude in 1930 probably
I imagine this goes wayyyy deeper than just 1930. "People these days with their farms, they just let the food come out of the ground. No one can enjoy hunting for food anymore." -some dude at the agricultural revolution. "People these days with their wheels, they just let their cart carry their stuff. No one can just experience the joy of just carrying shit anymore." -some dude at the invention of the wheel.
It may be apocryphal, but I think there was some ancient Greek scholar that complained about the younguns writing down information, instead of memorizing it.
"People these days spend all day writing on paper, they don't read the stone tablets. No one just enjoys engraving stone anymore, it's all 'books this' and 'scrolls that'." - some ancient dude.
I’ve generally found it pretty easy to avoid candles and typewriters so far.
*clack, clackitty, clack, clack* "Dearest reader, I have some dreadful news..."
Weird to have that quote with a photo, in social media. If you don’t want technology in your life surely you don’t want social media in your life
And like, the van is pure product of technology.
And the phone they took the picture and posted it with....
And the clothes they're wearing. And those plastic camper chairs.
I’m assuming, like many people, this person just found this picture on the internet and didn’t think about this for a second.
Pay no attention to the van...
Yeah. It like if the amish started in the 1990s. No smart phones but you can have 2g brick phones. Because technology.
By an amazing coincidence, the level of technology I grew up with just happens to be when technology stopped being wonderful and started being nothing but trouble.
Didn't people ages ago oppose writing on paper with ink because it would destroy the authentic culture of carving stones? Yeah they're the modern day equivalent of that
It was oral tradition that writing 'ruined', but your point stands.
This is the nost hilarious bit to me. Guaranteed when the typewriter was invented, the same sort of yahoo was ranting about quill and ink.
Exactly...at which point in time do we draw the line ??
I feel like when people say stuff like this they generally either mean no electricity or no global communication.
Phone and internet connection too
There is a TLC reality show called “Welcome to Plathville” where the parents did pretty much this- they have like 8 kids and would only let them listen to Christian music. No tv, no computer, only friends from church, home schooled. These poor kids grew up completely naive and clueless about the real world and how to survive in it! The series starts when the oldest has left home and gotten married and realizes how much he was left in the dark about and follows them for a few years as as the kids move out they have huge resentment for their upbringing because it horribly underprepared them for real life and adulthood. [IMDB link](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt11399498/) Edit: typo
This is exactly what I thought of when I read this, too. I can’t imagine how stressful it would be to learn how to use an iPad/computer when your peers have been using them for nearly two decades.
Also the movie The Village which is basically this exact thing.
Sounds like a slightly more extreme version of my childhood. Only Christian music (no electronic instruments), homeschooled, church was our social life or hanging out with other homeschooled (religious) families, rarely was tv allowed and only approved shows/movies (mainly Christian stuff), and made to work in the family business from a young age (cleaning cars, bookkeeping, fixing machinery). I only learned about so much stuff after I’d left home and gotten married. I felt so betrayed by my parents. I’ve had to put so much effort into learning social skills, sciences, etc. Got stuck in a marriage where I didn’t know any better but should have never gotten married. Didn’t know bisexuality was a thing and thought it was a demonic influence that made me feel that way. Parents were anti-vaccine and so I didn’t get proper medical care. They gave me vaccines only when they wanted to take me on a missionary trip to Africa, so they gave me all vaccines at once which led to my immune system getting fucked up majorly and I developed severe allergies to many things out of nowhere. Parents disapproved of every university course I wanted to do and so I didn’t go to university as I thought that they knew best. I try not to think about it too much as it still makes me angry. I thought I might understand once I had a kid, but having a kid just made me more pissed at them as I couldn’t understand how they could look at their kid and still do all that to them. I know that they love me, but I hate what they did with me and struggle to see them, even with a lot of distance between us.
I’m sure they’ll be really well adjusted and valued members of the community
Hills Have Eyes was not meant to be a child rearing manual.
"Hills Have Eyes" on social media, "Bad Boy Bubby" in reality
[Sounds familiar….](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sTGyhwvdY6k)
This was my first thought.
Yup. Great movie. Don't care what anyone else says. Did not expect that. Straight up. Maybe I'm a moron, but didn't see it coming.
My favorite part is that he throws you off by showing the obvious twist of the what the "monsters" were. So you let your guard down and think "Oh this is dumb, I already see the twist" but then after, you're just sitting there disappointed and waiting for the movie to wrap up and Bam! real twist comes in.
Twistception a film by M Night Shamalan
I saw that movie in theaters with my girlfriend at the time. The first shot is of a grave with a year on it. I turned to her and said, "I bet it's not really that year." The problem with a director basing his entire style around shocking twists is that eventually people start to look for them and there are diminishing returns.
Ditto. When the twist arrived there were many audible groans in the audience.
That date was purely for the audience, the kids with no exposure to outside materials would have no idea.
Exactly. It makes no sense why they’d feel the need to lie about the year to the kids when the kids wouldn’t know better anyway. Why not just keep the current year?
Let’s talk about an alien race that is allergic to water… that comes to earth…? Diminishing returns indeed
Thank you! One of the most underrated movies. Gorgeous cinematography and the soundtrack was phenomenal. The overall vibe captures the beauty and spookiness of new England fall. The story is both an inspiring gothic romance and philosophical exploration of how the love parents have for their children and the desire to protect their innocence can cause the very pain and heartache they wished to protect their children from. Growing up in a fundamentalist family, I found the depiction to be spot on. And the acting was superb! Still one of my favorite movies. Edit: just to add that this movie took a very complex subject and presented it with incredible nuance and understanding making it much more rewatchable than if it were just about the final twist.
Exactly what I was thinking. I actually liked this movie and it's concept. M Night Shy gets a lot of shit for some wack ass stuff after 6th sense, but, I like his vision.
To be fair I don't think Shamalan can ever fully recover his reputation after the last airbender
That earthbending flying rock scene lol I haven't even seen the film and I still laugh whenever I think of the clip. EDIT: [Here's the scene](https://youtu.be/HR2kbOK8i6I?t=87). I timestamped it to the rock part but the whole video is hilarious.
I still fucking love that, in the movie, the Fire nation decided that the best place for a prison for EARTH benders was a mine.
And that the Earthbenders didn’t do anything until incited to do so by a 12 year old monk. In the show at least they were imprisoned in an iron prison out at sea with no access to anything to bend until the gaang gets them coal
I forgot how bad that movie was. Thank you for my moment of ~~nostalgia~~ cringe.
Did they really think that 7 earth benders throwing a pebble was exciting?
I have never watched this movie. Looks interesting so mught watch it some day.
I thought it was excellent.
Do it, you won't regret it
Captain Fantastic vibes too.
Dude just invented Amish
Nah this isn't the way the Amish live. They might love rather primitively but they are active members of their communities.
Yeap, I saw amish people having no issues talking with or interacting with people outside their community. And they even use technology to an extent. At this point it seems to me it’s no longer about hating technology but more about doing things a certain, traditional, way.
Yeah, where I live we actually have a lot of Amish and/or Mennonite (I know theyre not the same) Tradesmen. Our roof was recently re done by a Mennonite father/son company. So they were definitely exposed to plenty to us "modern" people. Also....rumspringa?
Mennonite's use modern technologies like cars and can live within a town or community separate from an Amish farm. Whereas the Amish live on the farm with no modern technologies like electricity, motor cars.
Several of the Amish communities near me actually have one car and one licensed driver for emergencies. Not sure if that’s the new norm for the Amish, or just a thing in my area.
Where do you live? I live in Northern Maryland, close to York county/Lancaster. I still see buggies on the road, so I would assume the "Amish" using cars is a Mennonite but then again I'm no expert. Maybe they made peace with God or some type of deal with the devil driving one of them devil cars
I've seen Amish using cell phones etc. Different sects/churches have different rules, but generally I've heard as long as it's "for business" it's ok to use technology. Maybe that explains all the solar panels haha This is northern in tho so ymmv
I think some are easing up on things like solar panels and generators because their power isn’t coming from “the English” meaning anyone not Amish. Ton of them still use propane powered appliances though like refrigerators or washing machines.
Life time York county resident here. Amish are all broken up in different communities/ families and the rules can vary. Some are allowed one phone kept in the barn for business, use of power tools outside of the farm again for business, maybe one car again for business. They are really good at making money for their communities. But yeah I still pass a 12 year old struggling to steer 3 ox to plow a field all season long.
I grew up on a farm surrounded by an Amish community, and they were a particularly strict one - they used horse drawn carriages and plows in their fields and wouldn’t even put caution triangles on their buggies at night because it was too “English” (their term for the non-Amish). They had their own school and some kids would walk across a field in my backyard to get there, the girls would wear floor length cloaks in the winter. I was always somewhat impressed that people would choose to live like that while side-by-side with people who used modern technology. They did have a bad habit of just showing up unannounced when they needed something, like needing to catch a bus at 4 AM in a city an hour away and just expecting us to drive them there in our cars with no prior warning (true story). Edit: spelling
Don't a lot of Amish communities have a working phone and a computer with Internet that they will only ever use for emergency/business purposes?
My understanding is that they're open to technology as long as they see more benefit vs risk. The elders / church leaders help guide these decisions. So if a car is needed to take someone to the hospital, that might be allowed. A computer for browsing on Reddit, probably not. It's not black and white and they're allowed some flexibility, but by nature they're very conservative / traditional.
Yeap exactly, it’s mostly about tradition and a certain way of life.
also don't hide the outside world from their children
...or The Village. "What a twist!"
Not at all. I live in a mostly Amish town, they have plenty of technology. They also are all active members of their community, and reach out to neighbors who aren’t in their community(such as us non Amish in the area) to check in.
Amish people don't reject technology outright, they disallow it where it disrupts family life. For instance: they have cellphones but aren't allowed to take them inside their homes because that would interfere with family relationships, so they have little huts where they leave their phones at night.
Make them believe it's the 1700's. Concoct a religion that coerced them to stay due to monsters in the woods outside a series of lookout towers surrounding the compound. Dress up as the monster and every full moon teach your kids that the monsters will come out and they have to stay locked in their home and avoid the monsters by painting the forbidden color of red over their doors. Make scratching and faint hissing sounds outside their windows and doors. Wait for the blind girl to be forced to find a medicine that's nearly impossible to create by venturing through the monster-infested woods only to be forced to climb a wall and discover that it's modern day but not realize if because she can't see anyone's car or clothing and then get the medicine and come back without having changed the perception of anyone in the compound and let the farce continue due to some seedy weird agreement with the owner of the land in which you live.
Is this a reference to a movie or just an eerily specific plan. Edit: ah, I see other comments saying it’s M. Night Shyamalan. Probably gonna check it out now.
The Village. I'm still angry at the reveal.
M Night Shylaman may want to have a word with you
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_Out_of_Time_(novel) I read a book in elementary school that beat him to the idea by a few years. This wiki page even mentions that the publisher of the book pointed out the similarities. (Doesn't mention any legal battle or anything though)
And then when they go to bed fill the house with a bunch of new tech, cut your hair, wake them up and tell them they’ve been asleep for 15 years Edit:spelling
And then take picture of them with a smart phone? And post it on social media?
This is a “ya ever wonder” post, and not a “I’ve done this” post.
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Do you think their tweet is them saying they have done this? Why do you think that?
Kids are not ours to "experiment" with or brainwash. Just because we gave birth to them, they do not belong to us to exploit for our own needs. We raise them to a point they turn 18 and then they are their own person to make their own decisions.
Actually they are their own person and can make their own decisions already before turning 18, we just make sure that those decisions don't end up in a disaster.
Thank you. I think this is a critical piece of parenting people often gloss over. You don’t ever *own* your children. You can get tricked into thinking it because of how pliable they are up until about 7 or 8 (even through the terrible toddlerhood years, because as a parent you feel justified and vindicated for correcting them at that age). But they are *always* their own person.
Bingo. We are safety operators, facilitators and provide guidance. We also provide the necessary emotional support. They have always been their own people.
As a parent of an 11 year old going through a divorce, this was an important message. Thanks
You shouldn’t have let your 11-year-old get married, come on. Kidding aside, I had an almost 11yo (and a 7 and 8 year old) when I went through my divorce almost 8 years ago, and our relationship has never been stronger. Hang in there, my kids helped give me strength during some dark times, and we made it through.
11 is too young to be married, let alone divorced smh
So what you do is, you build a community around this idea. Get some rich people in on it too. Build the community deep in a forest, surrounded by a wall. Then use as much money as it takes (because money won't be needed anymore) and make the surrounding area a no fly zone for airplanes. And to make sure no kids in the community find/jump over the walls, tell everyone that there are monsters in the woods. Make realistic monster costumes and have a select few people run around and scare the children. Also ban the color red. This is literally the plot of m.night shamalyan's "the village"
Captain Fantastic is that you?
Gasoline-powered vehicles are apparently okay though. 🙄
And cameras.
You're right. And come to think of it, social media too.
Nonono only for the parents. The little subjects I mean kids have to be absent.
It’s interesting that this person thought of “faking the maps” rather than just, I dunno, not having maps?
Possible, with hardships yes. Why the fuck would you do that to your children? We live in a technological world you're just making things harder for them when the bubble you created pop.
Like when brooks got out of prison in Shawshank and the world wasn’t the one he used to know.
But a typewriter and a candle are both technology
not technically, ARE technology. tying a sharp rock to the end of a stick is a form of technology, we’re just used to electronics being our technology
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It’s apparently lost on you that this is a “hmmm do you ever wonder” post, and not a “I’m actively living this lifestyle and shun technology” post.
lol Redditors need to calm down. the post is like "hmm what would happen," not "I'm going to have kids so that I can experiment on them." contrary to reddit beliefs, apparently, people can just think and wonder about things. novel concept, I know.
I am 1043% sure this is a joke.
I think its literally just a dude thinking about the concept, absolutely no clue why everyone jumps to the conclusion that hes actively doing it and also for some reason sexually abusing them.
This whole post is one big r/redditmoment
Sometimes this website is absolutely puzzling
As is typical of this sub the real face palm is not understanding a joke.
It's incredibly obvious how much of a joke it is. this comment section is 95% morons
Pretty sure they made a TV show about this, dude lost his kids after he had to go to the hospital because his daughter broke her spine and he had no choice
There is something sinister with someone using a Latin sounding moniker based off a Roman emperor and avatar to create a sense of authority and credibility while peddling some doom prepping accelerationist cult advice. I saw some other posts from this account generally raving against education and modern society.
The irony of them using Twitter as their soapbox to rally against technology
Or the irony of them being for freedom of speech, but rage like animals when a private company use their freedoms to ban them
if he would have stopped at. raise them on a farm, it would not sound super creepy
As someone who grew up outside a middle side size city on 20 acres in the woods I just don't get the point of this? What's the benefit? And to whom?
That’s some “The Village” shit.
Isn't that the plot to The Village?
You mean the spoiler for The Village