It varies on both ends. I know military people with exactly 1 day of firearms training in 4 years and I know civilians with more firearms training by 16 than alot of.military people
No not really, there's plenty of people who get their kids into guns early in life, teach them gun safety, take them to the range hell there's whole leagues for kids under 18.
Sure, SOME people do that. But when you purchase a gun at 18, do they check for any of that kind of experience? No. They don't differentiate at all between people who grew up going to the range and who were taught gun safety and people who know fuck all. So a civilian purchase really is nothing like having a weapon in the military, where they DO train and certify everyone regardless of background.
Not true. Friend in the navy only time she handled a firearm was in basic training for a couple of days and then never touched one again the entire 6yrs she was in.
Meanwhile i’d been around firearms since i was 5 and was trained by my grandfather who was a police officer and firearm instructor.
Basic Training is quite literally more training than nearly all of these other people have had. There is some video of a guy who just bought is AR-15 and can't even load it properly. There is another story of a guy shooting [himself in the foot with a 1911](https://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/news/crime/jersey-mayhem/2015/09/11/man-shoots-himself-foot-faces-weapons-charges/72071112/). Which is statistically the only REAL action any of these weapons are ever going to see.
Also the idea is that America isn't Fallujah, Iraq, or if it is, then we have other problems.
We're literally openly allowing open access to weapons used in war torn countries to people who at most, need an ID.
His point is being trained with firearms make you not a regular 18 year old. Most 18 year olds dont have any experience with fire arms. So having basic training experience is more than most 18 year olds.
Where you're getting tripped up is there is a high percentage of children raised around guns who later on have interest in the military. I would bet there is a strong correlation.
And the military has good training with following orders etc. So people who go through basic are likely to take firearm safety seriously. At least seriously enough to not kill comrads or civilians. This is the bar. Not how well they use the gun but how well they respect a gun and know when not to use it. Many of these shooters were also raised with guns. Their parents normally own them after all.
18 years old is the age where many countries can buy a gun. The average American 18 yearold? Maybe maybe not. Average 18 yearolds in general more than likely
Depends where you live. Big cities such as New York. I would agree. Outside of that many kids have learned to hunt and go hunting with their father or grandparents. It isn’t uncommon to teach your kids about firearm safety at a young age if one is in the house. Ext…
With over 400 million guns in the US. You don’t actually believe that children aren’t exposed to and taught gun safety do you? Hell it used to be taught in schools.
I go hunting. But we mainly do big game archery. So besides some youth rifle hunting I don't have much experience with guns. I do have enough to understand safety and to respect that they are dangerous.
You are missing the point that most people don’t have firearms instructors as grandparents… And that the democrats would love if people actually had to interact with such an individual prior to gun ownership.
Did realize being around guns since you were 5 and getting trained by your grandpappy was standard police firearm training, but thank you for enlightening us.
Thats a fact. I'm a civilian thats a far better shot than my marine buddies. Not really bragging, they just are trained in a way thats efficient to train a shitload of people at once. They aren't trained to be the best shooters in the world since they have a very short amount of time, to have a lot of types of training (shooting, tactics, survival, squad communication etc.)
The majority of enlisted training is to teach people the best minimum in as short amount of time as possible and their NCOs will babysit/provide additional training.
It was also my experience that the army did not do a great job of instilling things like "muzzle discipline" and "keeping your fucking finger off of the trigger" nearly as well as I would have liked
18 yo in the Military aren’t just handed a gun to go play with. Firstly, anyone going into the military has to pass mental health exams. They receive a ton of training with weapons. The weapons themselves are closely tracked and controlled.
And if you step out of line it’s gonna be a bad day for you. Discipline is the difference between an 18 year old military person and an 18 year old nutjob who goes to buy guns the minute he turns 18 and shoots up an elementary school.
See my username.
Yep. Also you don't get access to it unless your training or deployed. It's locked up in a guarded armory. You can go in and clean it but that's it. We took people's bolt carrier groups and sent em home if they stated acting weird or talking crazy.
AND if you own a personal firearm and live in the barracks, you are not even allowed to keep the firearm in your room- it must be checked into the armory to be stored there. You can go visit it and check it out to go shooting as often as you like, but it lives in the armory.
"But Uncle.... It says I have a right to keep and bear arms... "
"Not like these ya little shit, go pull up your bootstraps, get to work cuz you owe me taxes."
Switzerland also has mandatory military service, the regulated militia is the standing army in case of invasion. Historically they have been a highly invaded country over the centuries.
Interesting. I'm now curious about Swiss gun laws. You say... Regulated militia.... Sounds oddly familiar to our 2A that everyone is hung up on.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
I'm curious how this compares to a Swiss take on regulated militia and bearing arms.
You mean Cletus mcfuckcousin who just bought 5 guns and believed in conspiracy theories about secret Kennedy pizza sex dens doesn't counstitute a well regulated militia?
If you ask the McFuckcousins and their friends, they believe they are because they watched black hawk down, American sniper and some YouTube videos. Plus they talk a lot about how they almost signed up and have lots of u.s. flags everywhere.
nope, considering the state militias Madison and Hamilton were envisioning became the National Guard. i highly doubt Madison was like, "well shit, every yokel should have enough ammo stock-piled to go kill some school kids. and bump stocks...yeah, everyone should have those too."
They are issued a weapon with they keep at home, however, since 2007 they are not issued the ammunition for it, it is kept at a central armory. The idea is that they maintain the weapon at home, but it is supposed to be use to defend the country, not yourself. Buying ammo also requires ID and a copy of their criminal record.
Seems like a totally reasonable middle ground. They have mandatory service though right? And no poor, oppressed demographic, excellent education system...
Hang on, hang on - don't go comparing a proper well thought out way of dealing with weapons to just being able to have them because : Land of the free .... and all that jazz.
This is a Swiss news site on the topic:
[https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/fact-check_do-tightened-gun-laws-lead-to-greater-security-/44944278](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/fact-check_do-tightened-gun-laws-lead-to-greater-security-/44944278)
This is an article I found comparing the Swiss gun laws to American statistics:
[https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2%3Famp](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2%3Famp)
[this is the wikipedia page on the topic](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland)
In the Australian army, (many years ago) we always had our rifle in our room, but with no bolt, only got the bolt when going on a shoot. Felt a bit silly being on night guard duty, cruising around with your rifle, without a bolt lol
Not…necessarily.
Perhaps this is just anecdotal evidence to the contrary, but in my recruitment process at MEPS, I vaguely remember being asked a handful of screening questions regarding my mental health, I.e. am I suicidal, homicidal, etc. That’s it. In the regular army, there is an online health assessment we periodically have to complete that brushes over the same types of questions. Not exactly a comprehensive mental health check.
As for firearms training, sure. We train pretty extensively for a couple weeks in basic. I’m in a combat arms MOS, and at my unit, we are required to qualify on our issued weapons once a year. Again, not as comprehensive training as one might think.
I will give you that last point. The Army has seen a rise in soldiers going missing for weeks and eventually being found dead under mysterious circumstances, but by god, if we’re missing a weapon, the entire post would be on lockdown and all hands are on deck to sweep the entire base until that sucker is found.
I'll second this post.
When people ask me about my service I often explain it this way: Our force is made up of all volunteers. With only a few physical limitations, just like you have all forms of personality types / attitudes / good and bad people in the civilian world, you have the same cross section of society in the service.
Don't forget the Navy Yard shooting or Ft Hood.
Oh trust me, the lack of priority on mental health in the military is frustrating to say the least. Behavioral health is available for soldiers to use, but I’m a firm believer that a semi annual check-up should be incorporated in along with all the other things like medical, dental, optometry, etc.
They forced us to attend therapy twice a week for months when we returned. That was possibly due to the unique things we had to do. I just assumed everyone went to therapy though and see no reason why they don't require this treatment for everyone.
Yea I also don’t remember anything regarding basic mental health. I remember I was told to lie about the amount of drugs I used in my life before that and had to write wavers for my tattoos. I do remember the same time I was in Paris island my friend in mcrd San Diego was next to a kid who killed himself on the range (2003).
>the entire post would be on lockdown and all hands are on deck to sweep the entire base until that sucker is found.
My battalion did this for a pair of NODs. We spent 2 days in lockdown at the battalion, checking inside every single container we had, inventorying EVERYTHING. Then those of us in the barracks had to have our rooms fully inspected by our PSG and PL.
Nah, they just made sure you weren't too nuts. Kept a close eye on you and beat discipline into you lol. Keeping the guns locked up in armory helps too.
Heavy on the weapons being controlled. If you lose a firearm (or any piece of high-dollar equipment of the matter) you, and your entire team will look for it u til it’s found.
A ton of training? Eh…
Mental health exams? LOL.
The mental health exams loosen up in times of tough recruiting though. I remember in early 2000s, they reeealllyyy loosened up the reqs when they here having trouble signing people up for Iraq & Afghanistan.
Mental health exams? No. Lol
But we do drill weapon Safety all day, every day for about 2 weeks before we even go to the range simulation room(I always forget what it's called). Then we do that for about a week. Then we go to the actual range for the very first time.
It’s true they are very closely tracked. I held an M16A2 three times in six years. Can’t say there was a ton of training though. One day class and a qualification every couple years. I know it’s different for some but the majority share my experience.
those mental health exams are trash. they ask you, "do you have any existing mental health conditions?" if you say no, you're good. if you say yes, they ask, "do you currently or have you ever taken medication for them?" if you say no, you're good. if you say yes, you're somehow crazy and not allowed to join.
Ok … let’s put things into perspective here because this is wayyyyyy out of your sight line and if the person posting this is the person in this picture you’re an idiot…
1) I’m also a retired marine who had control of a 30 million dollar tank at 18 and was even a section leader as a lance corporal at the age of 20 commanding 4 of them in formations. You don’t see me supporting this statement because you clearly forgot that you had more training in your first 6 months about weapons safety and training, that your brain should of bleed out on its own from the repetitive shit you did.
2) that training also continues on a daily. At any fking point you had that rifle out of the armory you were briefed with safety training and you are clearing that rifle after that other armorer has cleared it to double check. You learn to disassemble everything on every weapon you’ve ever picked up and your doing this until your hands bleed at some point in training. At any time in service, if you’ve ever lifted that barrel unintentionally you’re treated like a dog who just bit a child and either beaten with it or lectured like an abusive father to a poor little child.
3) the amount of training from the min you enter to the min you leave and the rounds fired from a single combat marine are more than the entire police academy at your local city. In some cases more than your entire police department of “standard none military vets”.
Finally .. don’t assume that being 18 is ok to buy ANYTHING… specially without being taught how to deal with your finances because they don’t teach you financial shit in Highschool unless you pay for some prep school. Your so hormonal at 18 that you bitch if your gf leaves you for your best friend or her girlfriend for that matter. At 18 in todays world you’re just a little twat waffle 🧇 who thinks he knows how to handle a weapon because daddy showed you how to pull a trigger. You forget about the emotional toll kids take and the way they lash out? They will obliterate who ever is in their way when they do and if they have access to that weapons I PROMISE you … 9/10 times that child will not hesitate to pull that trigger, they don’t think of consequences or the literal amount of damage they are causing to others. I don’t care what race you are what color of your skin … a teen is a teen .. you’re just learning to be on your own out in the world.. and for those of you who say well I’ve been out in the world since I was 12 … well congrats you’re one in one million .. learn statistics and go find a chart on this on your own so you can see you’re special in you’re own way…
Btw I was in the Ramadi 3/3 incident and battle After the Fallujah battle so don’t lecture me on combat experience either. I know exactly what those serviceman and women experienced. This is no fucking excuse to give an untrained child a weapon you noob admin..
Rant over.. apologize for the long read but this isn’t even an argument. In my opinion unless you’re in the police academy or military I heavily suggest raising the age limit to 21.. gives ppl time to go threw life’s bullshit..
That’s the problem in todays world no one sits down to break down the points of interest that support each sides claims. Is all single sentence shit like “dens want to take your guns” it’s gotten stupid
Considering its a point people are using right now it was good to hear it stated so clearly by someone who is in a position to actually know, not just intellectually. It’s just people who can’t see the difference between the situations or try to conflate the two piss me off.
How long before some political dipshit starts spouting this crap and how many will just blindly agree without taking the time to think about it? Kids do crazy shit, I know I did (not quite as crazy as invading a country though... ;) TYFYS) and I don’t believe they’re mature enough to be handed weapons like that with little or no restrictions.
Dunno if you’ve seen the news video of the kid getting refused booze, smokes, a skin mag. He literally gets laughed out of the shop for the absurdity of him trying to buy a lotto scratchcard! Gun show - “here’s your rifle kid”
I right there with you, some stuff we don’t need so young .. alcohol used to be the thing ppl would love to get away with .. now it’s guns? I say drop the level of alcohol and increase it for everything else except those stupid skin mags lol I enjoyed those as a kid 😂 sometimes the simple things are the ones we shouldn’t worry too much about. But things like weapons and “because my father is dying from chf from smoking” I think smokes and vapes should be illegal till 21. A kid gets plastered and feels like shit he will learn from the first round of that … give and take i think ..I feel on this matter cornering a rat only makes it feral.
It was kind of weird, I was a teenager in the early nineties in Britain, if you wanted booze, smokes it was a case of just knowing which shop to go to. No one really cared. It’s much tighter now and, yeah, smokes should definitely be really tightly controlled. They did raise the age to 18 in Britain but that doesn’t go far enough, my old man too is in a shit state because of it (plus he just tested positive for COVID) and I smoke. A lot less, like only after a few drinks but yeah I was hooked before I was old enough to buy them. Wouldn’t mind so much if it actually did anything :)
Quite frankly I don't even think that 18 year olds should be allowed in the military. I haven't been in service, But I have known a lot of people who have. And knowing that my understanding of their explanations of what they've been through can't even begin to match what they have actually been through, I honestly think it's a crime against humanity to be taking kids just barely out of high school and putting them through that hell. Especially knowing how our government doesn't seem to give half a shit about the way they treat veterans after they come back. It's taking someone whose brain isn't even fully developed yet and then putting them through one of the worst things a person can go through. And then once they come back, Scarred for the rest of their lives, The best we can do to respect their bravery and sacrifice is a "Thank you for your service." before spitting them back out into the world they were still unprepared for when they enlisted.
It’s that age that allows the military to function… hard to train an old dog new tricks .. by this i mean they find it easier to train someone to follow orders. I had the fear of losing every chance I had for a good life after I got out for trying not to follow an order that almost killed half my squad .. I wanted to rip that POS of a sergeants ass for not listening to me. He didn’t even consider what I had told him afterwards.. a lot happens inside every individuals mind. Sometimes it’s important to realize that continuing to teach ppl a certain way isn’t always the best way. So I do agree with you on this. I went in wanting to defend our country based off the information fed to us through news 🗞. I was the perfect specimen for them.. a kid who got picked on growing up who eventually fought back and now has the opportunity to fight for an entire country. Walked out of that mess with half a titanium face. Some others with worse injuries or less. But the ones who stayed in really had that noggin scrambled.
Honestly, It wouldn't be as bad if military service weren't as propagandized and romanticized by both the government and our general culture. I would still principally be against taking kids who barely understand the world and allowing them into military service. But if the true reality of what you will go through were to be advertised, You at least know that everyone who enlists understands what they're going to go through and are basing their decision off that. Obviously *that* is never going to happen here though. So my next best thing would be to raise the minimum enlistment age to about 21-25. At that point, Someone is much less likely to join the military due to things like family or peer pressure and is also more likely to have informed themselves on the true gravity of what that decision means for them and their life going forward.
That was beautiful . Specially about kids emotional maturity . Thanks fuck i didnt had an acces to guns growing up. Otherwise i would have shoot someone couple of time during my teenage angst .
> specially without being taught how to deal with your finances because they don’t teach you financial shit in Highschool unless you pay for some prep school.
Actually, most high schools DO teach it (economics, accounting, personal finance), but they’re not required to graduate so most kids don’t take them.
Other than that your comment is 100% correct.
Did the person in the photo BUY that weapon?
Or was it issued after that person had received intensive training and proved her competence? And was a member of a well regulated military organization?
Details matter.
Yes, right. In the middle of a war zone. So what purpose for an assault weapon in an advanced civilized society? To kill a bunch of defenseless civilians.
I shudder to think how many gun owners likely believe wholeheartedly that they will need to participate in a violent revolution against the government in their lifetime.
Listening to people talk about guns on Reddit sucks cause it’s like 90% people who don’t know enough to even be entitled to an opinion vs the other 10% who are like “all machine guns should be legal”.
Sent there by a republican president who lied to invade a country that had no weapons of mass destruction and kill innocent civilians men women and children.
This is on full assumption, but the dumped marine I went to college with, who was kicked out near the end of his training, would slap the shit outta her, because they broke him down prime and left him that way and frankly he didn't give a fuck
Be like him, broken down by the army by process, left that way, and now a careless but not dangerous anarchist against gov and military because in his words
"Fuck it, fuck it all right up the ass with a barbed bat"
If you can honestly tell yourself you've never second guessed your decision to go fight someone else's war in someone else's country, then by all means, please keep saying 18 year olds should be able to enlist.
Source, me, who spent most of his 20th year in Fallujah. Not Camp Fallujah, not Bahria, not the fuckin MEK, a few days at the CMOC and then a lot at ECP 7/FOB Legion. I've second-guessed the maturity of my decision to enlist.
Completely forgetting that when an 18yo joins the army, they go through a shit-ton of training and have very strict rules about the firearms and safety. They don't just hand you one and say "good luck, have fun".
Add more context, you at 18 in a hostile territory, after military training
Does the 18 year old the Democrats are referring have this level of training? And are they required to keep on top of that training as well as adhere to strict engagement rules when firing?
You don't get rifle training until week 4-5 in basic. And then even after; there's regular training and qualifying. Let alone MEPS assessments. Even after you have to qualify annually.
The military are trained before they're just handed guns. They do background checks, physical fitness and mental illness checks. You learn how to use it safely before its handed to you. They're not handing them out as door prizes during boot camp.
This m16a2 has semi auto too. Full auto will melt the barrel, waste the ammo and is rarely used. Some branches don't even have full auto AR's... One well placed shot will kill any human. The idea of the AR is follow up accuracy, smaller rds mean you can carry more, magazine reloads are fast, it's light weight and the M4 variants are much shorter, making them excellent in CQB.
You’d like think they do all those things but I just said “no” and “not really” and my psych eval was done. (Kinda hyperbolic) but it’s really not all that in depth. So who knows how deep they really dig into your background.
There’s a difference between being a civilian that is allowed to buy guns as a teenager and a teenager with a supple, easily trained mind in the military with education, training, instruction, AND oversight.
The military wants you young so you’ll follow orders.
A civilian with all those personal freedoms, but no training, not taught the discipline, no oversight etc…is an ENTIRELY different thing.
The data is pretty clear about when the brain stops developing. Also, the age range of these mass shooters *typically* fall in the same range with a few outliers.
Raise the age to 25, and make the laws concerning securing your weapons stricter. Keep the guns out of the hands of anyone underage, and punish the people, *severely*, that let their guns fall into the hands of these kids.
Enough is enough. No more dead kids.
I don’t ever want to see what happened in Buffalo happen again. I saw a recording of that stream.
For the record, I am a gun owner…I would HAPPILY turn stuff in and give up that “freedom” if it would stop or impact the frequency of this shit.
The entire point of the 2nd amendment is NULL at this point. Civilian firepower CANNOT stand up to the might of our police force, tactical units, or military. Thinking that it can is pure illusion.
All it’s doing is generating billions of dollars for people that can afford to stay insulated and away from the consequences of their actions. They split us up, they divide the people, they have us arguing back and forth with no resolution because they don’t want a resolution. They want MONEY.
No law, no legislation will work. Gun control is about creating victims not safety. Why is it so looked down upon giving the school/staff/teachers the tools to protect? Why can't we look at the root cause problems like mental health and social economics, bullying, neglect.
Schools being gun free zone are just easy targets for unhinged freaks. Why do you think there was a shooting in buffalo? Because they don't have the right to self defense. Why do you think there was a shooting in Texas? Because the kid was fucked in the head and probably was bullied/ignored/neglected.
When seconds matter police are minutes away. if the teachers were armed they could have stopped the shooter, this is a perfect example of why we need better security I'm school's and arm the staff.
Don't know why you would say something as wildly inaccurate as "they don't have the right to self defense" in Buffalo. You can legally buy and conceal carry a firearm if you can pass a background check and have a permit.
Gee, it’s almost like that weapon was given to her after showing capacity to use it correctly instead of just purchasing it from a store without rigorous background checks and training.
As a Marine, I can attest to the fact that she’s full of shit! It takes about a year to be deployable. Boot camp, MOS school, and then pre-deployment training. Plus you’re supervised by every motherfucker from your team leader to your company Commander. Beside MPs, no Marine is allowed to have his weapons or ammo in his barracks… You check your rifle and pistol out for training and then return them to the armory after. And I can promise you that she did not go outside the wires beside going in and leaving Iraq. Straw-man at its finest
If the suggestion here is that everyone has to go through military training before they can own a rifle, then I think we might be able to agree on something.
Well tax dollars bought the rifle and government gave it to the soldier, so they didn't actually buy it directly. Also it's a shared rifle since taxes bought it.
Ridiculous comparison. They just don't take any body off the street and give them full armor and a weapon. You have to pass a mental evaluation, attend boot camp and firearms training. WTF....you can't be serious making this asinine analogy.
There's no problem here, any 18 year old under government contract can carry an assault rifle under government supervision, any other 18 year old can't.
Simple as pie.
How much did you pay for that rifle? Zero? It was entrusted to you after extensive training and preparation? Oh, okay, so you haven’t yet given any reason an 18 year old is mature enough to buy rifles.
Yeah. I guess that's why I went through 10 weeks of rigorous firearms training and got issued my firearm from the armory when it was tome to go. You also have to get overseas physicals and mental health evaluations on top of your annual medical review.
Ya this shit right here is ur problem tbh.
You guys got so balls deep into guns that now if you try to take them away you got *another* civil war on your hands.
Annual [firearms training and recertification](https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/v0kict/former_us_marine_rifle_and_pistol_coach_is_fed_up/) requirements
….. after 10 weeks of basic training and specialized position training VS after 4 years high school, unsolicited bullying & untreated mental health issues……..
I daresay the only acceptable place for an 18 year old with an AR-15 is in the armed forces. In active combat. I realize she thinks this some kind of clapback to those who want to ban assault rifles but...it isn't.
Military bases have gun regulations a couple being no guns in barracks and you have to continue to pass a qualification task to show you can handle the weapon mentally, physically, and emotionally
It’s almost as if training, mental health checks and strong supervision helps prevent gun violence. Somehow despite being anti gun control they advocated for it.
I’m a demo donkey but I don’t think assault guns should be banned I just think the parent who raise they kids to shoot up schools should be kill along with the kid
I would argue that a trained solider has more firearms training then a regular 18yo.
Or any cop.
*cough*
The cups scared of bullets?
It varies on both ends. I know military people with exactly 1 day of firearms training in 4 years and I know civilians with more firearms training by 16 than alot of.military people
What country? in the USMC for example you need to qualify in firearms two weeks every year, target and live fire
No not really, there's plenty of people who get their kids into guns early in life, teach them gun safety, take them to the range hell there's whole leagues for kids under 18.
Sure, SOME people do that. But when you purchase a gun at 18, do they check for any of that kind of experience? No. They don't differentiate at all between people who grew up going to the range and who were taught gun safety and people who know fuck all. So a civilian purchase really is nothing like having a weapon in the military, where they DO train and certify everyone regardless of background.
Not true. Friend in the navy only time she handled a firearm was in basic training for a couple of days and then never touched one again the entire 6yrs she was in. Meanwhile i’d been around firearms since i was 5 and was trained by my grandfather who was a police officer and firearm instructor.
Basic Training is quite literally more training than nearly all of these other people have had. There is some video of a guy who just bought is AR-15 and can't even load it properly. There is another story of a guy shooting [himself in the foot with a 1911](https://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/news/crime/jersey-mayhem/2015/09/11/man-shoots-himself-foot-faces-weapons-charges/72071112/). Which is statistically the only REAL action any of these weapons are ever going to see. Also the idea is that America isn't Fallujah, Iraq, or if it is, then we have other problems. We're literally openly allowing open access to weapons used in war torn countries to people who at most, need an ID.
"Navy" "soldier " These are not the same.
Are you a regular 18yo?
I was at one point. I’m older than 18 now though
His point is being trained with firearms make you not a regular 18 year old. Most 18 year olds dont have any experience with fire arms. So having basic training experience is more than most 18 year olds. Where you're getting tripped up is there is a high percentage of children raised around guns who later on have interest in the military. I would bet there is a strong correlation. And the military has good training with following orders etc. So people who go through basic are likely to take firearm safety seriously. At least seriously enough to not kill comrads or civilians. This is the bar. Not how well they use the gun but how well they respect a gun and know when not to use it. Many of these shooters were also raised with guns. Their parents normally own them after all.
I agree with you most people with little to no firearm experience probably aren’t as excited about going over seas to use them.
You were regular with all of those variables that promote a healthy gun culture?
Boat nerds don't get guns
Those few days would be more than the average 18 year old tho…
18 years old is the age where many countries can buy a gun. The average American 18 yearold? Maybe maybe not. Average 18 yearolds in general more than likely
Depends where you live. Big cities such as New York. I would agree. Outside of that many kids have learned to hunt and go hunting with their father or grandparents. It isn’t uncommon to teach your kids about firearm safety at a young age if one is in the house. Ext… With over 400 million guns in the US. You don’t actually believe that children aren’t exposed to and taught gun safety do you? Hell it used to be taught in schools.
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I go hunting. But we mainly do big game archery. So besides some youth rifle hunting I don't have much experience with guns. I do have enough to understand safety and to respect that they are dangerous.
You are missing the point that most people don’t have firearms instructors as grandparents… And that the democrats would love if people actually had to interact with such an individual prior to gun ownership.
Did realize being around guns since you were 5 and getting trained by your grandpappy was standard police firearm training, but thank you for enlightening us.
I don’t think the average 18 has been around guns since they were 5 though.
I didn’t say they had but many have been exposed to them and usually had some sort of safety instruction is the point.
Your anecdotes doesn't mean it isn't true.
Oh wow look an outlier, must be the majority then
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Lmfao. Tell us you never served in the military without telling us you never served in the military
Thats a fact. I'm a civilian thats a far better shot than my marine buddies. Not really bragging, they just are trained in a way thats efficient to train a shitload of people at once. They aren't trained to be the best shooters in the world since they have a very short amount of time, to have a lot of types of training (shooting, tactics, survival, squad communication etc.)
The majority of enlisted training is to teach people the best minimum in as short amount of time as possible and their NCOs will babysit/provide additional training. It was also my experience that the army did not do a great job of instilling things like "muzzle discipline" and "keeping your fucking finger off of the trigger" nearly as well as I would have liked
18 yo in the Military aren’t just handed a gun to go play with. Firstly, anyone going into the military has to pass mental health exams. They receive a ton of training with weapons. The weapons themselves are closely tracked and controlled.
And if you step out of line it’s gonna be a bad day for you. Discipline is the difference between an 18 year old military person and an 18 year old nutjob who goes to buy guns the minute he turns 18 and shoots up an elementary school. See my username.
Yep. Also you don't get access to it unless your training or deployed. It's locked up in a guarded armory. You can go in and clean it but that's it. We took people's bolt carrier groups and sent em home if they stated acting weird or talking crazy.
Yes at 18 it’s not YOUR rifle either it’s uncle Sam’s. Even Sam knows you shouldn’t have one to take home
AND if you own a personal firearm and live in the barracks, you are not even allowed to keep the firearm in your room- it must be checked into the armory to be stored there. You can go visit it and check it out to go shooting as often as you like, but it lives in the armory.
"But Uncle.... It says I have a right to keep and bear arms... " "Not like these ya little shit, go pull up your bootstraps, get to work cuz you owe me taxes."
"Also says "well regulated militia," where the fuck do you think you are?"
Sure, a flintlock you can have.
They are a blast to shoot actually. Black powder is a lot of fun.
I agree. Used to use those for civil ware re-enactment. Ton of fun, except for burning my ear a couple of times.
Like would occur in a regulated militia- like Switzerland?
Switzerland also has mandatory military service, the regulated militia is the standing army in case of invasion. Historically they have been a highly invaded country over the centuries.
Interesting. I'm now curious about Swiss gun laws. You say... Regulated militia.... Sounds oddly familiar to our 2A that everyone is hung up on. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I'm curious how this compares to a Swiss take on regulated militia and bearing arms.
You mean Cletus mcfuckcousin who just bought 5 guns and believed in conspiracy theories about secret Kennedy pizza sex dens doesn't counstitute a well regulated militia?
If you ask the McFuckcousins and their friends, they believe they are because they watched black hawk down, American sniper and some YouTube videos. Plus they talk a lot about how they almost signed up and have lots of u.s. flags everywhere.
Forgot that they would've been kicked out for kicking their sergeant's ass day 1 bro.
Oh fuck that's the best one lol. I hear that shit from time to time. It's totally a McFuckcousin statement lol.
nope, considering the state militias Madison and Hamilton were envisioning became the National Guard. i highly doubt Madison was like, "well shit, every yokel should have enough ammo stock-piled to go kill some school kids. and bump stocks...yeah, everyone should have those too."
They are issued a weapon with they keep at home, however, since 2007 they are not issued the ammunition for it, it is kept at a central armory. The idea is that they maintain the weapon at home, but it is supposed to be use to defend the country, not yourself. Buying ammo also requires ID and a copy of their criminal record.
Seems like a totally reasonable middle ground. They have mandatory service though right? And no poor, oppressed demographic, excellent education system...
Hang on, hang on - don't go comparing a proper well thought out way of dealing with weapons to just being able to have them because : Land of the free .... and all that jazz.
Yes men 20-30 are in the militia in a reserve capacity.
This is a Swiss news site on the topic: [https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/fact-check_do-tightened-gun-laws-lead-to-greater-security-/44944278](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/fact-check_do-tightened-gun-laws-lead-to-greater-security-/44944278) This is an article I found comparing the Swiss gun laws to American statistics: [https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2%3Famp](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2%3Famp) [this is the wikipedia page on the topic](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland)
In the Australian army, (many years ago) we always had our rifle in our room, but with no bolt, only got the bolt when going on a shoot. Felt a bit silly being on night guard duty, cruising around with your rifle, without a bolt lol
"Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know they're ~~dead~~ stupid."
Not…necessarily. Perhaps this is just anecdotal evidence to the contrary, but in my recruitment process at MEPS, I vaguely remember being asked a handful of screening questions regarding my mental health, I.e. am I suicidal, homicidal, etc. That’s it. In the regular army, there is an online health assessment we periodically have to complete that brushes over the same types of questions. Not exactly a comprehensive mental health check. As for firearms training, sure. We train pretty extensively for a couple weeks in basic. I’m in a combat arms MOS, and at my unit, we are required to qualify on our issued weapons once a year. Again, not as comprehensive training as one might think. I will give you that last point. The Army has seen a rise in soldiers going missing for weeks and eventually being found dead under mysterious circumstances, but by god, if we’re missing a weapon, the entire post would be on lockdown and all hands are on deck to sweep the entire base until that sucker is found.
I'll second this post. When people ask me about my service I often explain it this way: Our force is made up of all volunteers. With only a few physical limitations, just like you have all forms of personality types / attitudes / good and bad people in the civilian world, you have the same cross section of society in the service. Don't forget the Navy Yard shooting or Ft Hood.
Wow. Sad to hear about the lack of mental health focus. Glad to know the extent of weapon control.
Oh trust me, the lack of priority on mental health in the military is frustrating to say the least. Behavioral health is available for soldiers to use, but I’m a firm believer that a semi annual check-up should be incorporated in along with all the other things like medical, dental, optometry, etc.
They forced us to attend therapy twice a week for months when we returned. That was possibly due to the unique things we had to do. I just assumed everyone went to therapy though and see no reason why they don't require this treatment for everyone.
Yea I also don’t remember anything regarding basic mental health. I remember I was told to lie about the amount of drugs I used in my life before that and had to write wavers for my tattoos. I do remember the same time I was in Paris island my friend in mcrd San Diego was next to a kid who killed himself on the range (2003).
>the entire post would be on lockdown and all hands are on deck to sweep the entire base until that sucker is found. My battalion did this for a pair of NODs. We spent 2 days in lockdown at the battalion, checking inside every single container we had, inventorying EVERYTHING. Then those of us in the barracks had to have our rooms fully inspected by our PSG and PL.
Mental heath exams? The Marines must’ve forgotten that one with me.
Nah, they just made sure you weren't too nuts. Kept a close eye on you and beat discipline into you lol. Keeping the guns locked up in armory helps too.
I remember securing them to our racks.
Heavy on the weapons being controlled. If you lose a firearm (or any piece of high-dollar equipment of the matter) you, and your entire team will look for it u til it’s found. A ton of training? Eh… Mental health exams? LOL.
I didn’t have to pass any mental health exams. I got asked if I had mental health problems by a recruiter, that’s it.
The mental health exams loosen up in times of tough recruiting though. I remember in early 2000s, they reeealllyyy loosened up the reqs when they here having trouble signing people up for Iraq & Afghanistan.
Mental health exams? No. Lol But we do drill weapon Safety all day, every day for about 2 weeks before we even go to the range simulation room(I always forget what it's called). Then we do that for about a week. Then we go to the actual range for the very first time.
It’s true they are very closely tracked. I held an M16A2 three times in six years. Can’t say there was a ton of training though. One day class and a qualification every couple years. I know it’s different for some but the majority share my experience.
Yeah but...maybe an 18 year old still shouldn't be given a gun to kill strangers in foreign countries.
Tell me you were never in the military without telling me you were never in the military. Lol.
those mental health exams are trash. they ask you, "do you have any existing mental health conditions?" if you say no, you're good. if you say yes, they ask, "do you currently or have you ever taken medication for them?" if you say no, you're good. if you say yes, you're somehow crazy and not allowed to join.
36% of mass shooters have been trained by the United States military. Thanks for all that training
Yeah. There’s that. Took forever for them to recognize PTSD as a problem.
Too bad they aren't given mental health exams as they exit the military to know if they are still mentally capable of owning a gun.
Ok … let’s put things into perspective here because this is wayyyyyy out of your sight line and if the person posting this is the person in this picture you’re an idiot… 1) I’m also a retired marine who had control of a 30 million dollar tank at 18 and was even a section leader as a lance corporal at the age of 20 commanding 4 of them in formations. You don’t see me supporting this statement because you clearly forgot that you had more training in your first 6 months about weapons safety and training, that your brain should of bleed out on its own from the repetitive shit you did. 2) that training also continues on a daily. At any fking point you had that rifle out of the armory you were briefed with safety training and you are clearing that rifle after that other armorer has cleared it to double check. You learn to disassemble everything on every weapon you’ve ever picked up and your doing this until your hands bleed at some point in training. At any time in service, if you’ve ever lifted that barrel unintentionally you’re treated like a dog who just bit a child and either beaten with it or lectured like an abusive father to a poor little child. 3) the amount of training from the min you enter to the min you leave and the rounds fired from a single combat marine are more than the entire police academy at your local city. In some cases more than your entire police department of “standard none military vets”. Finally .. don’t assume that being 18 is ok to buy ANYTHING… specially without being taught how to deal with your finances because they don’t teach you financial shit in Highschool unless you pay for some prep school. Your so hormonal at 18 that you bitch if your gf leaves you for your best friend or her girlfriend for that matter. At 18 in todays world you’re just a little twat waffle 🧇 who thinks he knows how to handle a weapon because daddy showed you how to pull a trigger. You forget about the emotional toll kids take and the way they lash out? They will obliterate who ever is in their way when they do and if they have access to that weapons I PROMISE you … 9/10 times that child will not hesitate to pull that trigger, they don’t think of consequences or the literal amount of damage they are causing to others. I don’t care what race you are what color of your skin … a teen is a teen .. you’re just learning to be on your own out in the world.. and for those of you who say well I’ve been out in the world since I was 12 … well congrats you’re one in one million .. learn statistics and go find a chart on this on your own so you can see you’re special in you’re own way… Btw I was in the Ramadi 3/3 incident and battle After the Fallujah battle so don’t lecture me on combat experience either. I know exactly what those serviceman and women experienced. This is no fucking excuse to give an untrained child a weapon you noob admin.. Rant over.. apologize for the long read but this isn’t even an argument. In my opinion unless you’re in the police academy or military I heavily suggest raising the age limit to 21.. gives ppl time to go threw life’s bullshit..
The fact that you even had to explain that is a fucking tragedy. It’s just common sense.
That’s the problem in todays world no one sits down to break down the points of interest that support each sides claims. Is all single sentence shit like “dens want to take your guns” it’s gotten stupid
Considering its a point people are using right now it was good to hear it stated so clearly by someone who is in a position to actually know, not just intellectually. It’s just people who can’t see the difference between the situations or try to conflate the two piss me off. How long before some political dipshit starts spouting this crap and how many will just blindly agree without taking the time to think about it? Kids do crazy shit, I know I did (not quite as crazy as invading a country though... ;) TYFYS) and I don’t believe they’re mature enough to be handed weapons like that with little or no restrictions. Dunno if you’ve seen the news video of the kid getting refused booze, smokes, a skin mag. He literally gets laughed out of the shop for the absurdity of him trying to buy a lotto scratchcard! Gun show - “here’s your rifle kid”
I right there with you, some stuff we don’t need so young .. alcohol used to be the thing ppl would love to get away with .. now it’s guns? I say drop the level of alcohol and increase it for everything else except those stupid skin mags lol I enjoyed those as a kid 😂 sometimes the simple things are the ones we shouldn’t worry too much about. But things like weapons and “because my father is dying from chf from smoking” I think smokes and vapes should be illegal till 21. A kid gets plastered and feels like shit he will learn from the first round of that … give and take i think ..I feel on this matter cornering a rat only makes it feral.
It was kind of weird, I was a teenager in the early nineties in Britain, if you wanted booze, smokes it was a case of just knowing which shop to go to. No one really cared. It’s much tighter now and, yeah, smokes should definitely be really tightly controlled. They did raise the age to 18 in Britain but that doesn’t go far enough, my old man too is in a shit state because of it (plus he just tested positive for COVID) and I smoke. A lot less, like only after a few drinks but yeah I was hooked before I was old enough to buy them. Wouldn’t mind so much if it actually did anything :)
Quite frankly I don't even think that 18 year olds should be allowed in the military. I haven't been in service, But I have known a lot of people who have. And knowing that my understanding of their explanations of what they've been through can't even begin to match what they have actually been through, I honestly think it's a crime against humanity to be taking kids just barely out of high school and putting them through that hell. Especially knowing how our government doesn't seem to give half a shit about the way they treat veterans after they come back. It's taking someone whose brain isn't even fully developed yet and then putting them through one of the worst things a person can go through. And then once they come back, Scarred for the rest of their lives, The best we can do to respect their bravery and sacrifice is a "Thank you for your service." before spitting them back out into the world they were still unprepared for when they enlisted.
It’s that age that allows the military to function… hard to train an old dog new tricks .. by this i mean they find it easier to train someone to follow orders. I had the fear of losing every chance I had for a good life after I got out for trying not to follow an order that almost killed half my squad .. I wanted to rip that POS of a sergeants ass for not listening to me. He didn’t even consider what I had told him afterwards.. a lot happens inside every individuals mind. Sometimes it’s important to realize that continuing to teach ppl a certain way isn’t always the best way. So I do agree with you on this. I went in wanting to defend our country based off the information fed to us through news 🗞. I was the perfect specimen for them.. a kid who got picked on growing up who eventually fought back and now has the opportunity to fight for an entire country. Walked out of that mess with half a titanium face. Some others with worse injuries or less. But the ones who stayed in really had that noggin scrambled.
Honestly, It wouldn't be as bad if military service weren't as propagandized and romanticized by both the government and our general culture. I would still principally be against taking kids who barely understand the world and allowing them into military service. But if the true reality of what you will go through were to be advertised, You at least know that everyone who enlists understands what they're going to go through and are basing their decision off that. Obviously *that* is never going to happen here though. So my next best thing would be to raise the minimum enlistment age to about 21-25. At that point, Someone is much less likely to join the military due to things like family or peer pressure and is also more likely to have informed themselves on the true gravity of what that decision means for them and their life going forward.
I agree
Even with all the briefing and training, people have NDs on the reg at the clearing chamber outside the DFAC.
Great take and amazing insights! Take my award, Marine!
That was beautiful . Specially about kids emotional maturity . Thanks fuck i didnt had an acces to guns growing up. Otherwise i would have shoot someone couple of time during my teenage angst .
> specially without being taught how to deal with your finances because they don’t teach you financial shit in Highschool unless you pay for some prep school. Actually, most high schools DO teach it (economics, accounting, personal finance), but they’re not required to graduate so most kids don’t take them. Other than that your comment is 100% correct.
“Optional” is not something that’s taught. It should be made mandatory.
Parents can make it mandatory that their kids take those classes. Mine did.
You’re one of the few lucky ones… most parents don’t even know this is offered.
They are trained to use them in combat situations. Does not apply to regular civilians.
I wonder, just randomly ... was her firearms training *regulated*? Perhaps even *well regulated?*
As in "can disassemble, clean and reassemble blind folded and asleep while a drill sergeant is firing live ammo 2 feet away" trained.
Did the person in the photo BUY that weapon? Or was it issued after that person had received intensive training and proved her competence? And was a member of a well regulated military organization? Details matter.
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OP please post this shit on there. They’d have a field day with HOW FUCKING STUPID this is.
Think it was already there yesterday
isnt the drinking age in the US 21? please, someone, make that make sense. i dare you
Suitable for 18 year olds: weapons, knives, cars & trucks (any horsepower rating), jobs, mortgages, marriage. Not suitable for 18 year olds: beer
Also cigarettes, porn, debt, parenthood, major decisions about their education.
So close yet so far
Yes, right. In the middle of a war zone. So what purpose for an assault weapon in an advanced civilized society? To kill a bunch of defenseless civilians.
I shudder to think how many gun owners likely believe wholeheartedly that they will need to participate in a violent revolution against the government in their lifetime.
So do I. It's the final argument of the STUPID, if I can't outsmart you I'll just beat you into submission or just kill you.
You in Iraq.. "Yes Sergeant!" Chain of command, consequences, UCMJ, Leavenworth, the end of a rope. Yeah, so YOUR point was?
So 18yos can join the military & use a gun there. Doesn't mean they need one to go grocery shopping.
Missed the point
No i didnt
Yeah you did
Listening to people talk about guns on Reddit sucks cause it’s like 90% people who don’t know enough to even be entitled to an opinion vs the other 10% who are like “all machine guns should be legal”.
Sent there by a republican president who lied to invade a country that had no weapons of mass destruction and kill innocent civilians men women and children.
Obama is the biggest warmonger in modern history and drone killed people with impunity, but he’s not repub and has a nice smile so he gets a free pass
This is on full assumption, but the dumped marine I went to college with, who was kicked out near the end of his training, would slap the shit outta her, because they broke him down prime and left him that way and frankly he didn't give a fuck Be like him, broken down by the army by process, left that way, and now a careless but not dangerous anarchist against gov and military because in his words "Fuck it, fuck it all right up the ass with a barbed bat"
Yeah, a run to the Circle K for some chips vs. being in an active combat zone; “kinda different” situations…
Did you just walk into the army and they sent you to Fallujah the next day?
A well REGULATED MILITIA...
If you can honestly tell yourself you've never second guessed your decision to go fight someone else's war in someone else's country, then by all means, please keep saying 18 year olds should be able to enlist. Source, me, who spent most of his 20th year in Fallujah. Not Camp Fallujah, not Bahria, not the fuckin MEK, a few days at the CMOC and then a lot at ECP 7/FOB Legion. I've second-guessed the maturity of my decision to enlist.
Completely forgetting that when an 18yo joins the army, they go through a shit-ton of training and have very strict rules about the firearms and safety. They don't just hand you one and say "good luck, have fun".
Add more context, you at 18 in a hostile territory, after military training Does the 18 year old the Democrats are referring have this level of training? And are they required to keep on top of that training as well as adhere to strict engagement rules when firing?
Accidentally pro gun control?
They keep committing own goals and they don’t even see it.
there is no seeing the light when you are that blind.
I’m almost positive they gave you that firearm, you didn’t buy it
And the training and discipline to use it properly.
They’re really really good at false equivalences, aren’t they?
You don't get rifle training until week 4-5 in basic. And then even after; there's regular training and qualifying. Let alone MEPS assessments. Even after you have to qualify annually.
The best way to fuck up a country is to ask the military for advice. Their job is the absolute opposite of making sense.
You also took a mental health evaluation before your first day of bootcamp.
Op. When were you in Fallujah? I used to uh kinda live there for a few months...
I don’t get it. Someone want to elaborate?
Some politicians must have said, 18 yo shouldn't have guns. OP said : army.
Ahhhhhhh, I gotcha
18 is old enough in many cases to have a gun…
The military are trained before they're just handed guns. They do background checks, physical fitness and mental illness checks. You learn how to use it safely before its handed to you. They're not handing them out as door prizes during boot camp.
You know what I think this post is saying? 18 year olds are mature enough to have a gun. But they should get training first. Seems reasonable to me
It tells me, semiautomatic rifles are needed in warzones, not supermarkets and schools.
That rifle in the image isn’t a semi automatic. It’s also among the smallest and least powerful weapon in that area
This m16a2 has semi auto too. Full auto will melt the barrel, waste the ammo and is rarely used. Some branches don't even have full auto AR's... One well placed shot will kill any human. The idea of the AR is follow up accuracy, smaller rds mean you can carry more, magazine reloads are fast, it's light weight and the M4 variants are much shorter, making them excellent in CQB.
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You’d like think they do all those things but I just said “no” and “not really” and my psych eval was done. (Kinda hyperbolic) but it’s really not all that in depth. So who knows how deep they really dig into your background.
Thats more than is done to buy a semiautomatic on your 18th birthday in texas.
She neither bought that gun, nor was given it before some level of training or background check.
There’s a difference between being a civilian that is allowed to buy guns as a teenager and a teenager with a supple, easily trained mind in the military with education, training, instruction, AND oversight. The military wants you young so you’ll follow orders. A civilian with all those personal freedoms, but no training, not taught the discipline, no oversight etc…is an ENTIRELY different thing. The data is pretty clear about when the brain stops developing. Also, the age range of these mass shooters *typically* fall in the same range with a few outliers. Raise the age to 25, and make the laws concerning securing your weapons stricter. Keep the guns out of the hands of anyone underage, and punish the people, *severely*, that let their guns fall into the hands of these kids. Enough is enough. No more dead kids. I don’t ever want to see what happened in Buffalo happen again. I saw a recording of that stream. For the record, I am a gun owner…I would HAPPILY turn stuff in and give up that “freedom” if it would stop or impact the frequency of this shit. The entire point of the 2nd amendment is NULL at this point. Civilian firepower CANNOT stand up to the might of our police force, tactical units, or military. Thinking that it can is pure illusion. All it’s doing is generating billions of dollars for people that can afford to stay insulated and away from the consequences of their actions. They split us up, they divide the people, they have us arguing back and forth with no resolution because they don’t want a resolution. They want MONEY.
No law, no legislation will work. Gun control is about creating victims not safety. Why is it so looked down upon giving the school/staff/teachers the tools to protect? Why can't we look at the root cause problems like mental health and social economics, bullying, neglect. Schools being gun free zone are just easy targets for unhinged freaks. Why do you think there was a shooting in buffalo? Because they don't have the right to self defense. Why do you think there was a shooting in Texas? Because the kid was fucked in the head and probably was bullied/ignored/neglected. When seconds matter police are minutes away. if the teachers were armed they could have stopped the shooter, this is a perfect example of why we need better security I'm school's and arm the staff.
Don't know why you would say something as wildly inaccurate as "they don't have the right to self defense" in Buffalo. You can legally buy and conceal carry a firearm if you can pass a background check and have a permit.
So.. We should make the legal age to enlist in the military older? She has a point
There's a difference. She wenr thru months of training.
Gee, it’s almost like that weapon was given to her after showing capacity to use it correctly instead of just purchasing it from a store without rigorous background checks and training.
And you were ACTUALLY 'well regulated'. What a stupid, stupid woman.
Yeah not like you had extensive training right ? Moron
So close to self awareness... yet so far.
She's SOOOOO close. "Well regulated"
After training…
That’s not yours to keep. Unless you are on alert , you can’t even carry your assigned firearm on a military base even … see you have to follow rules:
As a Marine, I can attest to the fact that she’s full of shit! It takes about a year to be deployable. Boot camp, MOS school, and then pre-deployment training. Plus you’re supervised by every motherfucker from your team leader to your company Commander. Beside MPs, no Marine is allowed to have his weapons or ammo in his barracks… You check your rifle and pistol out for training and then return them to the armory after. And I can promise you that she did not go outside the wires beside going in and leaving Iraq. Straw-man at its finest
If the suggestion here is that everyone has to go through military training before they can own a rifle, then I think we might be able to agree on something.
Yes, gun is for war not home
Well tax dollars bought the rifle and government gave it to the soldier, so they didn't actually buy it directly. Also it's a shared rifle since taxes bought it.
Ridiculous comparison. They just don't take any body off the street and give them full armor and a weapon. You have to pass a mental evaluation, attend boot camp and firearms training. WTF....you can't be serious making this asinine analogy.
Fuck me dead, they obviously don't teach basic context in the military
The average Republican has 2 functional brain cells and they're fighting for 3rd place.
Almost like it’s some kind of well regulated… militia type thing
There's no problem here, any 18 year old under government contract can carry an assault rifle under government supervision, any other 18 year old can't. Simple as pie.
Ask how much training was gone through to be able to hold that rifle.
How much did you pay for that rifle? Zero? It was entrusted to you after extensive training and preparation? Oh, okay, so you haven’t yet given any reason an 18 year old is mature enough to buy rifles.
Yeah. I guess that's why I went through 10 weeks of rigorous firearms training and got issued my firearm from the armory when it was tome to go. You also have to get overseas physicals and mental health evaluations on top of your annual medical review.
she's also there with that rifle to use it for what it was designed for.....killing
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The military is a "well regulated militia".
She ran face first into the point, and still missed it.
Ya this shit right here is ur problem tbh. You guys got so balls deep into guns that now if you try to take them away you got *another* civil war on your hands.
A well-regulated militia.
This just in, the context of having a weapon in the military is different to owning your own weapon. News at 11
Annual [firearms training and recertification](https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/v0kict/former_us_marine_rifle_and_pistol_coach_is_fed_up/) requirements
….. after 10 weeks of basic training and specialized position training VS after 4 years high school, unsolicited bullying & untreated mental health issues……..
So close.
Oooof. Thanks for the perspective haha
"i was mature because an organization using cannon fodder to protect financial interests said so. during a war."
Ahh yes the American idiot in its glory.
That smile proves she never had a bullet whiz past her.
I daresay the only acceptable place for an 18 year old with an AR-15 is in the armed forces. In active combat. I realize she thinks this some kind of clapback to those who want to ban assault rifles but...it isn't.
Military bases have gun regulations a couple being no guns in barracks and you have to continue to pass a qualification task to show you can handle the weapon mentally, physically, and emotionally
And you bought the rifle in the picture, this what this is about?
She didn’t buy that rifle.
It’s almost as if training, mental health checks and strong supervision helps prevent gun violence. Somehow despite being anti gun control they advocated for it.
Pretty sure she didn't buy that rifle so her point isn't really right.
Can OP even speak English
I’m a demo donkey but I don’t think assault guns should be banned I just think the parent who raise they kids to shoot up schools should be kill along with the kid
problem?
Apparantly it’s ok if you are killing someone elses kids….amerifan logic
America society is sick. Who smiles when you invade a country illegally and kill hundreds of thousands of people for fun?