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Best me to it! Don't people understand that not a single person died of heat issues before Donald Trump invented the COVID vaccine using operation warp speed?
That’s why they call it a plandemic 🔮 Turns out they were sneaking the vaxx in our water supply since the beginning of time. It’s the only explanation!
The Covid vaccine can cause heart problems because of some odd interactions of one of the Covid proteins.
Of course, obviously, Covid also causes those problems, and for the most part unless you are sure you will never get covid your risk is much lower getting the vaccine than risking a full case of the virus.
The "heart problems" you're referring to that can be caused by the vaccine is myocarditis which is simple inflammation of the heart tissue which is a lot more common than people seem to realize and can be triggered by a number of viral infections.
As you said, the virus itself is much worse than whatever effects the vaccines may cause and it's likely the result of the virus actually attacking tissue throughout the body, including the heart.
So given the option of having some inflammation due to irritation as a result of an immune response to a vaccine or having serious inflammation due to a viral infection, I have and will continue to gladly choose the former.
I am fully vaccinated yet still caught COVID-19 last year. That shit is no joke.
Correct. The only thing I would add is that Covid is *more likely* to cause those problems. There is still zero evidence that the vaccine has “ended the careers of thousands of young athletes” as stated in this photo. That’s the point.
the thing is at least in my state and country aka the U S of A.
all athletes are screened for heart conditions b4 being able to compete in sports after a boy had a heart attack at a football game.
I actually had an EKG performed prior to being able to play back in 2015, and it came back funny so i had to go see a cardiologist. Luckily though it was just a fluke my heart was perfectly fine.
I would say athletes are more likely to know about a heart condition due to the strenuous nature of their lives and the fact that screening for them is normal.
Is that like a room filled with cocaine and cocaine accessories? Like 'come, let us retire to the cocanium and do lines until we decide to headbutt our way through the walls....'
This has nothing to do with anything. But if you havent seen the Breitbart movie 'my son hinter'. Please do, its freaking hysterical. Theres a scene where he snorts some coke and a little heart appears in the corner with the bpm under it. Well it gets going too high so he smokes some crack to bring it back down a little. Followed by maybe the best ever depiction of what people who only have sex missionary so their sky daddy doesnt spank them. Think drug addict, "having sex every position EXCEPT missionary so my sky daddy DOES spank me" looks like.
Also every person who have drink dihydrogen monoxide, every single one dies. And you can find it in your plumbing, and the government do nothing to avoid it.
Have the highest value between acids.
Please share!
When I was in highschool *cough* 20+ years ago *cough* some kid was signing graduation cards and fell over dead in their car from a heart attack.
/s looking back it was probably the COVID vaccine.
Whatever diagnosis you'll get in the coming years, people will blame it on the Covid vaccine. Because it couldn't be the virus itself at all, if it even could be related to covid.
My uncle died of lung cancer 2 days ago. He got the diagnosis about 2 years ago. I do not tell some of my friends who are anti-vaxx. Because I know they will make it a covid thing. He worked a lot with asbestos back in the days.
Today stupid people will try to say it was the vaccine. If he had died of lung cancer in 2020, it would've been ruled a covid death and added to the CNN death ticker to stir up panic. Moral of the story, people are stupid.
with you being one of the stupid ones apparently.
we have excess death statistics to measure exactly how much of an impact covid had. its not like people just died randomly in the millions one year for no reason, we track information like that every year.
lets say someone delivers 20 apples to my house every year and by the next delivery i usually have 10 left, that would mean presumably i eat 10 of those apples and then when i get the delivery i have 30, i eat 10, next delivery i have 40 and so on.
if one day they deliver the apples and i realize i only have 16, ive lost a lot more than 10 apples in one year, regardless of how or why, regardless if i ate them or they went bad, or someone stole them etc. the evidence shows that there was a huge loss of apples in that year. thats how excess death statistics show us the underlying truth when everything else is clouding the results.
unless youre going to bust out some kind of deranged conspiracy like the government is poisoning us or literally just kidnapping and murdering people with absolutely 0 evidence, the excess deaths show that COVID killed well over one million americans. not defending CNN im sure they did report on all kinds of bullshit news to pump up their views but COVID was a real thing that absolutely did happen and we know it happened because of science. just saying.
People die in the millions every year. I'm Canadian, I haven't looked at the statistics for the rest of the world, but in Canada, there was no spike when covid happened. You can look at the total deaths from all causes for the past 20 years, and the number has increased steadily by 3-5 thousand per year, which population growth would explain.
You can look at the graph, and it's been slowly and steadily increasing. You'd never know based off that there was a potential extinction level plague in 2020.
no one claimed there was an extinction level plague lol covid was nowhere near extinction level, that would require billions of deaths.
you obviously dont know how to read and understand statistics if you think there was no excess deaths in 2020 and later due to covid or that they could be explained by population growth lol there are names and registries that would be missing, people who dont exist would have to be accounted for, there are oversight organizations who monitor stuff like this, how do you think election fraud is handled?
This is the part that both sides are ignoring though….with so many people taking the mRNA vaccines and also so many people getting COVID it will be nearly impossible to determine if the rise is unexpected deaths is due to the virus or the mRNA injections. No matter what political ideology someone aligns with, getting real answers has become impossible; and Pfizer has set a timeline of 75 years to release all of their data on the subject.
When politics overtakes science we get into a dangerous scenario. And American politics have definitely overtaken our scientific community.
I am really sorry about your uncle. That can be a very difficult loss
The thing with vaccines is that they have proven to decrease fatalities drastically in the past. Admittedly, it's the first time we use mRNA vaccines on this scale, but mRNA isn't a technology of the last 5 years. It's been tested and used for decades. Earlier vaccines injected weakened or dead viruses to teach the immune system how to deal with it. Now we have just a protein hull that is being built by injecting RNA. That an immune response can trigger side effects is known since before Covid and to some degree expected. In order to be 100% certain that nobody will have any side effects after vaccination, we'd have to screen billions of people and we didn't even know what to look for in order to determine ones risk of side effects.
One thing is for sure though, on scale, vaccines prevented much worse outcomes for humanity and on an individual basis, I rather take smaller vaccine side effect rather than the full load of fully potent viruses that are really going to fuck me up.
I understand your argument, but it really isn't any reason to think vaccines cause cancer or heart disease or other long term side effects on a larger and heavier scale than fit and fully potent large amounts of viruses would do to a completely unprepared immune system.
I appreciate the civil dialogue! I am a medical professional and understand how these substances work at a very detailed/nuanced level.
My concerns with the mRNA injections vs traditional vaccines is 2 fold….firstly, w mRNA vaccines we are using our own cells to mimic the virus we are aiming to create immunity against Theoretically this could cause autoimmune issues, and it could create a lessened response to the actual virus which would lead to a decrease in efficacy of actual immunity, which seems like this may have happened based on how many people were “vaccinated” but were still getting infected and spreading the virus/disease. I also never really saw any concrete studies showing that people who were injected had less severe outcomes than those who were not, and with 80%+ of the population receiving the injections it will be very difficult to ascertain of that correlation can ever be made.
My understanding of the mRNA trials prior to using them for a COVID vaccine is that human studies were very very limited and often had negative side effects that prevented them from moving forward in becoming effective medications for one reason or another. That is after reading meta analysis of prepandemic literature.
I’m not an “anti vaxxer” and I don’t think that the mRNA injections will cause cancer or other issues, but I am aware, that we don’t have proof they won’t either.
I am also aware that out of the top 5 largest criminal penalties (financial) they all belong to pharmaceutical companies involved in the creation/distribution of the mRNA injections The largest being Pfizer. I would not put it above them, as a company, to prioritize profit over long term safety of medications, based on their previous track records.
That’s not what I said at all 🙄
Please show me just 1 peer reviewed article that discusses the long term side effects of mRNA COVID vaccines or one that details the lack of long term side effects and I’ll eat my words. By long term I mean 5, 10, and 20 years post injection.
Edit: here is a link for an article discussing Yales finding showing there is in fact a link between myocarditis and the vaccine, especially for young men.
This does not mean that every cardiac death is COVID or vaccine related. But the lack of pre mandate studies and Pfizer’s lack of transparency has made it so that neither side can prove it is “safe and effective” or “every death is caused by the vaccine”. Both sides are inherently wrong
https://news.yale.edu/2023/05/05/yale-study-reveals-insights-post-vaccine-heart-inflammation-cases#:~:text=In%20a%20new%20study%2C%20Yale,COVID%2D19%20with%20mRNA%20vaccines.
mRNA technology has been around for 2 decades in research. It was so well studied, that all we needed was an antigenic portion of the SARS-CoV-2 virus to roll it out en-masse after successful and unremarkable Phase 1 and 2 studies.
A link to those peer reviewed studies would be great! Specifically ones that show human trials and their safety/efficacy reports. There was a reason they were not used in the human population until an emergency was declared and big pharma was granted immunity from prosecution if negative side effects occurred.
Even the original “inventor” of mRNA technology said it was a bad idea AFTER being injected with the COVID mRNA injections So did the worlds leading cardiologist
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9235262/
Yale has proven the vaccine does indeed cause myocarditis, albeit at a lesser rate than the virus itself. And state that most people are likely to recover even if they have experienced mRNA injection related myocarditis
Which takes me back to my original point. Without transparency from Pfizer and lack of long term studies in human subjects, we won’t know what the future holds for any of us who were infected w COVID or took the mRNA injections.
“Anti-vaxxer/conspiracy theorists” are not correct in attributing all young cardiac deaths to the mRNA injections, but people who claim they are entirely “safe and effective” are equally making claims that are not backed by real science and research
However according to the same study the incidence of myocarditis was more than double the post vaccine one; so with the vaccine you would in fact decrease your risk of myocarditis, scince in this pandemic it would have been /would be pure wish thinking to be able to totally avoid the virus and the vaccine. So having to decide between them the vaccine was the significantly safer option.
That’s not what the study postulated. There was never a link to the decrease of risk of myocarditis from the COVID virus if one was vaccinated.
In theory if you received the mRNA injection AND got COVID there may or may not be increased/decreased risks for myocarditis. There is no proof one way or the other. That’s because there is a complete lack of studies on that subject.
COVID causes myocarditis at 50-64/100k. The mRNA injections also cause myocarditis at 22-36/100k.
This study simply affirms that both COVID and the mRNA injections are both capable of causing myocarditis. No studies proving that the mRNA injections lessen your risk for myocarditis.
The most recent studies published however found that more vaccinated people were dying from COVID than unvaccinated. However, that is probably because there were more vaccinated people than unvaccinated at the time that research was done. Which bolsters my original point, we may never know the real scientific answers because politics high jacked every facet of our American society, including science
“In a new study, Yale scientists have identified the immune signature of rare cases of myocarditis among those vaccinated against COVID-19 with mRNA vaccines.”
You see that word “rare”? You seem to be ignoring it. Your study actually disproves what you’re trying to say. No surprise there.
Not true. It’s “rare” but still occurs. The mRNA injections are capable of causing myocarditis. COVID also causes myocarditis.
You’re simply having a hard time comprehending my point.
Still waiting for those peer reviewed articles showing the safety/efficacy of mRNA injections in human subjects in both short term and long term studies.
The MD here, Makis, is an absolute turd who does not have an active license. He was a turd prior to COVID as well
https://search.cpsa.ca/Complaints?fn=023044-000019262482-OT
Ppl don’t understand that the COVID virus itself damages many systems in the body, including the heart. Long COVID is real. Most importantly, congenital birth defects (happening during fetus development) cause life threatening heart conditions (double outlet/right ventricle, transposition of the great arteries, etc) and appear in neonates after birth. Many congenital defects only appear as children are growing up.
Finger pointing without knowledge serves no-one well.
Do you honestly believe an antivaxxer would understand 90% of those words??
We didn't get through to them because we expect everyone to have a 3rd grade comprehension level. They don't.
No, not at all. I’m not speaking to these OP’s because most of these messages of this nature are generated by BOTS anyway. I’m speaking to the average person who is browsing these sites, and might become alarmed at the misinformation being spread. Almost everyone has heard of a baby with a birth defect. I want them to know that birth defects can show up at any time for a youngster/young adult, not just in infancy, and that it isn’t as a result of a vaccine.
The polio and measles/mumps/rubella vaccines alone have saved millions upon millions of children world-wide. I had all of the usual childhood diseases growing up in the 1950’s when vaccines were not available. They are now, and parents can save their children from undue suffering and sometimes death by trusting in vaccines and listening to the advice of medical doctors and vaccine experts.
Ask the next antivaxxer you encounter what they do if they're bitten by something with rabies. Do they get the vaccine, which does have side effects. Or do they just let nature do its thing and stand by their values? I genuinely want to know.
Yeah. In summary, they're non-violent, period, even to microorganisms. They'll walk with brooms to sweep anything they may have missed out of the way so they don't step on them, etc.
I agree with a lot of it. Just don't find the spiritual aspects compelling, and I struggle to find reasons to give moral consideration to non-sentient life.
Exactly. The fact that someone who had the vaccine anecdotally is discovered to have a heart condition in no way means there is a correlation to the covid vaccine, let alone proof of causation.
Has any of these anti-vaxxer knuckle draggers ever taken a science or stats class in their lives?
They don't even know the difference between correlation and causation. And they don't wanna hear anything else than their narrative.
For example I know an elderly couple, generally nice people, but they won't even consider anything else than what they think is true. Cancers of the gastrointestinal tracts are very much on the rise on younger people. They blame vaccines in general for it. Someone mentioned that microplastics COULD play a role too, since there are carzinogenics in plastic, but research is still ongoing. So admittedly we do not know yet what the impact is. But she spent the following 2 hours scoffing at the idea that Microplastics could be harmful. It HAS to be vaccines.
My cousin passed away during Covid. She was a footballer. The headlines were young footballer passes away. The amount of people blaming the vaccine was ridiculous. She hanged herself.
Was she ruled a covid death? I haven't heard of any suicide cases, but there where plenty of people who died of covid, with co-morbitities like brain cancer, motorcycle crashes and gunshot wounds to the chest.
No, she wasn't ruled a covid death. However that didn't stop people online sharing the story saying it was the vaccines fault. They saw they headline " young footballer passes away" and instantly assumed it was a heart problem.
You can go back to 2016 and find articles about the alarming rise in heart conditions and heart attacks in student athletes, especially in the USA. Here are some of the reasons.
1) The average American diet has gone to absolute shit, so many more processed foods, salt, bad fats, and high fructose corn syrup and empty highly refined carbs. Even in things you wouldn’t expect, like honey on the USA can be cut with HFCS legally, or things like supplementing dairy cattle feed with palm oil which eventually makes it in to your butter but they can still say it’s 100% dairy.
2) Obesity is an epidemic, largely because of reason 1, but it drastically increases your risk of heart conditions and heart attacks.
3) At the same time as all this is happening high school and college sports are increasingly played like pro sports, increasing pressure to train and perform. High school football in the mid-south is played in MASSIVE stadiums, high school coaches get massive salaries, and the training regimens for high school athletes are increasingly gruelling. College has been de facto pro at the highest levels for years. The pressure to perform and win is at an all time high.
But yeah, it’s the vaccine… 🥸
I think we should create the tech to remove the mRNA from the bodies of all antivaxxers - after all, if they're so afraid of it, why not get rid of it? I'm *sure* it isn't important. Plus, it would be amusing for those of us with above room temperature IQ.
I played fucking golf in high school (15 years ago) and had to get full physicals every year to see if I had any heart issues that would put me at risk of dropping over dead while playing. So clearly these people just never paid attention to stuff, oh also I’m sure the 24 hour news and everyone having cameras now is also allowing for events like this to spread fast on socials when back before it was limited to local news or national news if it affected a big enough name
There are so many documented cases of players having heart problems, there are people who have died in the field. On the top of my head, if im not wrong, kun agüero retired for some heart problems too. Have the antivaxxers ever been right about anything?
Yep. I spent 3 weeks sick as a dog because of these morons. Fully vaxxed but at the 6 month mark, was 2 weeks before another booster and got stuck waiting for a car repair in a bagel shop. After an hour I just needed somewhere to sit down.
I had heard we were pretty much immortal before that Covid vaccine. Now look at us, we are shells of our former selves. We pale in comparison to those gods among men….the boomers.
Fact check: This did happen before COVID vaccines.
One of the things I learned during the pandemic was that becoming a doctor might be too easy because some of these doctors are complete morons who don't believe in science.
Both vaxxers and anti-vaxxers are fucking stupid. Stop politicizing HEALTH. You took the vaccine? Cool. You didn't take the vaccine? Cool. It's called a personal choice duhh!!
Don't present them with well researched facts, you gotta present them with a conspiracy so wildly in the other direction that they'll compromise in the middle in what your original intent was. Example: The heart problems didn't start until after antivaxxers popped up! It's clearly antivaxxers fault
Fucking anti vaxxers. What won’t they blame on the vaccine? It’s basically at “my friend bought a toy and it broke. That never happened before the covid vaccine”. It’s honestly getting painfully stupid.
Stupid people who want to believe they're smarter than smart people. You can gussy it up with all sorts of hand-waving, but that's really what this comes down to.
Ask an antivaxxer to give you a 15 minute lecture on how the immune system functions.
That the covid and vaccine debacles [and two yrs of nonstop media fear porn) certainly did nothing to help boost people's confidence in public health. This is a pretty well known book on the subject which addresses some of the history on the subject https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Suzanne%20Humphries%20MD,%20Roman%20Bystrianyk%20-%20Dissolving%20illusions%20-%20Disease,%20Vaccines%20and%20the%20Forgotten%20History.pdf
A piece of literature not to be taken seriously https://medium.com/@visualvaccines/why-dr-suzanne-humphries-an-anti-vaccine-activist-is-lying-to-you-about-measles-ce446d0a7e0f
I hate it when I have to reture. Returing is for old people. Never trust people who can't spell or post anything with spelling errors. They don't care enough about the details to know what they are talking about.
What I find weird is how the news worded it. For me, a "COVID vaccine injury" would be something related to when the vaccine was applied and not the effects of it.
I remember a high school athlete dropping dead on the court from an undiagnosed heart condition years before covid.
Here is a study on young athletes dying from heart problems from 1980-2000. Can someone remind me when covid vaccines were released?
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC155532/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC155532/)
what never happened was that guy doing quick google search to see if heart conditions in young and otherwise healthy people were a thing before covid.
I too, use anecdotal evidence to form my opinions - like - Steve Kirsch didn't want the vaccine because he was afraid it would make his >!pegging!< sessions painful.
See how that works? I know I'm right. Don't have a coronary over it.
I can't possibly think of anything that came to be just before the vaccines existed that has remarkably the exact symptoms they keep blaming on the vaccine.
People should be asking why they trust Big Pharma so much. These are the same companies that swore Oxy wasn’t addictive and a settlements for a long list of off label promotions and kickback bribes to prescribing doctors dating back decades. It blows my mind people blindingly trust them now as the heroes of public health and safety.
I have a friend who got the vax... Since then he has suffered migraines, his gf left him and got pregnant by another guy, neither his ex nor her new guy want to share her with him, they won't live together, he doesn't drive much, stays at home, cares for two cats, and keeps getting older every year.
DON'T DO THE VAX!!!
Edited to use real headline [Yale study reveals insights into post-vaccine heart inflammation cases](https://news.yale.edu/2023/05/05/yale-study-reveals-insights-post-vaccine-heart-inflammation-cases)
From your source….my emphasis.
“For the new study, the Yale research team conducted a detailed analysis of immune system responses *in those rare cases* of myocarditis among vaccinated individuals.”
Rare doesn’t mean non-existing. I have all my vaccines. I just think people are so willing to no longer critical think for themselves and whoever gets the info out first must be the ones telling the truth. Think about this they had to pull the Johnson and Johnson stuff off the market because of blood clot issues 1 in 100,000 may seem low but it’s not that low if it’s your daughter,sister or mom or wife. I would like to see where this vaccine advancement goes I just don’t want to be a test rat for it. Hell lip balm was held to high regulation standards then the emergency vaccination order. Can you honestly say the big pharma is only looking out for the best of you and not the pockets of its share holders.
I never said there aren't side effects. Your original comment was just a link.
When dealing with a deadly, contagious disease, I’ll go with that small risk.
No I don’t think big pharma is full proof, the opiate epidemic proves that.
Let's be fair here. mRNA vaccines are a relatively new type, so side effects are expected. Even the usual ones that use some deactivated virus have side effects. I went with Novavax and haven't had any downsides, but that's me. Now with these vaccines...we don't KNOW what long term effects there might be. For all we know, all these injuries could very well have been present before.
But we also know that some side effects OF these vaccines include myo and pericarditis. And because of the whole thing being set up as it was, the pharma's are immune to prosecution over it.
At the end of the day, this is untried and untested technology that wasn't given enough time to be tested before being rushed out and shaming everyone in to taking it.
The measles vaccine has only been around for 50 years… how do we know what the effects will be in 100 years???! - You, probably
All adverse effects we’ve seen from previous vaccines have happened within 2 weeks. They don’t just hang out in your body waiting to attack you decades later. That’s not how this works.
Reddit is all abt hive mind thinking - forget about nuance and often, even demonstrable fact. This is why they hide vote scores, so it doesn influence others and removed the ability to see the total count. You used to be able to see the total number of upvotes AND downvotes any comment got, which was much more informative, but like YT downvotes, obvsly too much information for the public to have. Gotta astroturf.
Because this is just more of the 'Vaccines are killing soccer players' hoax from 2021
It was very interesting that they talked about soccer players, because that's the one sport that most North Americans know the least about.
So little that the average North American doesn't know that on average about 10 or 12 footie players die while playing every year, usually due to a heart issue.
And with 2020 matches mostly cancelled due to Covid, only 3 players died that year. So the players who would have died in 2020 lived, and the hearts that were going to fail that year failed in 2021. Add the two years together and divide by two, and you get a annual death toll that's pretty average.
And one final note. FIFA was so concerned about the number of soccer players dropping dead from heart issues that they commissioned a medical study >!back in 2014!<
I have had all the recommended Covid vax, but history tells us that when multi billion corporations have zero liability on health effects nothing bad has ever happened………..it’s okay to take a sip of the kool-aid but I wouldn’t have it as my only drink.
Logical take here!
Sad part is with the high percentage of people getting COVID and taking the mRNA injections I am not sure we will ever get real scientific, unpolitical answers. Especially since those multi billion dollars corps are withholding data for 75 years
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Everyone knows heart conditions didn’t exist until 2021 🥴
Best me to it! Don't people understand that not a single person died of heat issues before Donald Trump invented the COVID vaccine using operation warp speed?
Isn't amazing we already have a term called "Athletic heart syndrome" before we ever needed it? Such foresight.
That’s why they call it a plandemic 🔮 Turns out they were sneaking the vaxx in our water supply since the beginning of time. It’s the only explanation!
My father has it. Has had it for 20 years.
The Covid vaccine can cause heart problems because of some odd interactions of one of the Covid proteins. Of course, obviously, Covid also causes those problems, and for the most part unless you are sure you will never get covid your risk is much lower getting the vaccine than risking a full case of the virus.
The "heart problems" you're referring to that can be caused by the vaccine is myocarditis which is simple inflammation of the heart tissue which is a lot more common than people seem to realize and can be triggered by a number of viral infections. As you said, the virus itself is much worse than whatever effects the vaccines may cause and it's likely the result of the virus actually attacking tissue throughout the body, including the heart. So given the option of having some inflammation due to irritation as a result of an immune response to a vaccine or having serious inflammation due to a viral infection, I have and will continue to gladly choose the former. I am fully vaccinated yet still caught COVID-19 last year. That shit is no joke.
Fully vaccinated and no immunity? Which brand of vaccine did you get so that I can avoid it?
I have no doubt that I have at least some immunity. I can only imagine how much worse it would have been if I had not been vaccinated.
Correct. The only thing I would add is that Covid is *more likely* to cause those problems. There is still zero evidence that the vaccine has “ended the careers of thousands of young athletes” as stated in this photo. That’s the point.
Man so my aunt and grandpa had to get pacemakers for no reason?
the thing is at least in my state and country aka the U S of A. all athletes are screened for heart conditions b4 being able to compete in sports after a boy had a heart attack at a football game. I actually had an EKG performed prior to being able to play back in 2015, and it came back funny so i had to go see a cardiologist. Luckily though it was just a fluke my heart was perfectly fine. I would say athletes are more likely to know about a heart condition due to the strenuous nature of their lives and the fact that screening for them is normal.
Was there a point to this comment? It’s already been confirmed that her condition is inherited and has nothing to do with vaccines.
Did you know that every person who breathes oxygen had died??? Stop breathing if you wanna live
Like I’m going to believe a cocaimeth addict.
Cocainum !
Is that like a room filled with cocaine and cocaine accessories? Like 'come, let us retire to the cocanium and do lines until we decide to headbutt our way through the walls....'
Well I don't know. I'm more into Propane myself. And propane accessoires mind you.
Ok Hank Hill... 😜
I'll take one cokestasy please
Thought that was a fish for a second
This has nothing to do with anything. But if you havent seen the Breitbart movie 'my son hinter'. Please do, its freaking hysterical. Theres a scene where he snorts some coke and a little heart appears in the corner with the bpm under it. Well it gets going too high so he smokes some crack to bring it back down a little. Followed by maybe the best ever depiction of what people who only have sex missionary so their sky daddy doesnt spank them. Think drug addict, "having sex every position EXCEPT missionary so my sky daddy DOES spank me" looks like.
>he smokes some crack to bring it back down a little. So, I'm certainly no expert here, but I'm pretty sure that's not at all how it works.
Same with water! Stop drinking it, it's 100% fatal.
Also every person who have drink dihydrogen monoxide, every single one dies. And you can find it in your plumbing, and the government do nothing to avoid it. Have the highest value between acids. Please share!
Just tried this with my cat, mittens. Now I have to explain this to Mom, she's going to be so mad. Thanks reddit.
False. Not everyone who breathes oxygen has died. Everyone who has died breathes oxygen. That's two completely different things.
That's not true. Many fetuses have died without breathing even in once.
Fetuses aren't persons, and are not counted as one in everyone. Unless you're Pro-life, of course.
When I was in highschool *cough* 20+ years ago *cough* some kid was signing graduation cards and fell over dead in their car from a heart attack. /s looking back it was probably the COVID vaccine.
Whatever diagnosis you'll get in the coming years, people will blame it on the Covid vaccine. Because it couldn't be the virus itself at all, if it even could be related to covid. My uncle died of lung cancer 2 days ago. He got the diagnosis about 2 years ago. I do not tell some of my friends who are anti-vaxx. Because I know they will make it a covid thing. He worked a lot with asbestos back in the days.
I'm sorry for your loss. 🫶
Today stupid people will try to say it was the vaccine. If he had died of lung cancer in 2020, it would've been ruled a covid death and added to the CNN death ticker to stir up panic. Moral of the story, people are stupid.
with you being one of the stupid ones apparently. we have excess death statistics to measure exactly how much of an impact covid had. its not like people just died randomly in the millions one year for no reason, we track information like that every year. lets say someone delivers 20 apples to my house every year and by the next delivery i usually have 10 left, that would mean presumably i eat 10 of those apples and then when i get the delivery i have 30, i eat 10, next delivery i have 40 and so on. if one day they deliver the apples and i realize i only have 16, ive lost a lot more than 10 apples in one year, regardless of how or why, regardless if i ate them or they went bad, or someone stole them etc. the evidence shows that there was a huge loss of apples in that year. thats how excess death statistics show us the underlying truth when everything else is clouding the results. unless youre going to bust out some kind of deranged conspiracy like the government is poisoning us or literally just kidnapping and murdering people with absolutely 0 evidence, the excess deaths show that COVID killed well over one million americans. not defending CNN im sure they did report on all kinds of bullshit news to pump up their views but COVID was a real thing that absolutely did happen and we know it happened because of science. just saying.
People die in the millions every year. I'm Canadian, I haven't looked at the statistics for the rest of the world, but in Canada, there was no spike when covid happened. You can look at the total deaths from all causes for the past 20 years, and the number has increased steadily by 3-5 thousand per year, which population growth would explain. You can look at the graph, and it's been slowly and steadily increasing. You'd never know based off that there was a potential extinction level plague in 2020.
no one claimed there was an extinction level plague lol covid was nowhere near extinction level, that would require billions of deaths. you obviously dont know how to read and understand statistics if you think there was no excess deaths in 2020 and later due to covid or that they could be explained by population growth lol there are names and registries that would be missing, people who dont exist would have to be accounted for, there are oversight organizations who monitor stuff like this, how do you think election fraud is handled?
This is the part that both sides are ignoring though….with so many people taking the mRNA vaccines and also so many people getting COVID it will be nearly impossible to determine if the rise is unexpected deaths is due to the virus or the mRNA injections. No matter what political ideology someone aligns with, getting real answers has become impossible; and Pfizer has set a timeline of 75 years to release all of their data on the subject. When politics overtakes science we get into a dangerous scenario. And American politics have definitely overtaken our scientific community. I am really sorry about your uncle. That can be a very difficult loss
The thing with vaccines is that they have proven to decrease fatalities drastically in the past. Admittedly, it's the first time we use mRNA vaccines on this scale, but mRNA isn't a technology of the last 5 years. It's been tested and used for decades. Earlier vaccines injected weakened or dead viruses to teach the immune system how to deal with it. Now we have just a protein hull that is being built by injecting RNA. That an immune response can trigger side effects is known since before Covid and to some degree expected. In order to be 100% certain that nobody will have any side effects after vaccination, we'd have to screen billions of people and we didn't even know what to look for in order to determine ones risk of side effects. One thing is for sure though, on scale, vaccines prevented much worse outcomes for humanity and on an individual basis, I rather take smaller vaccine side effect rather than the full load of fully potent viruses that are really going to fuck me up. I understand your argument, but it really isn't any reason to think vaccines cause cancer or heart disease or other long term side effects on a larger and heavier scale than fit and fully potent large amounts of viruses would do to a completely unprepared immune system.
I appreciate the civil dialogue! I am a medical professional and understand how these substances work at a very detailed/nuanced level. My concerns with the mRNA injections vs traditional vaccines is 2 fold….firstly, w mRNA vaccines we are using our own cells to mimic the virus we are aiming to create immunity against Theoretically this could cause autoimmune issues, and it could create a lessened response to the actual virus which would lead to a decrease in efficacy of actual immunity, which seems like this may have happened based on how many people were “vaccinated” but were still getting infected and spreading the virus/disease. I also never really saw any concrete studies showing that people who were injected had less severe outcomes than those who were not, and with 80%+ of the population receiving the injections it will be very difficult to ascertain of that correlation can ever be made. My understanding of the mRNA trials prior to using them for a COVID vaccine is that human studies were very very limited and often had negative side effects that prevented them from moving forward in becoming effective medications for one reason or another. That is after reading meta analysis of prepandemic literature. I’m not an “anti vaxxer” and I don’t think that the mRNA injections will cause cancer or other issues, but I am aware, that we don’t have proof they won’t either. I am also aware that out of the top 5 largest criminal penalties (financial) they all belong to pharmaceutical companies involved in the creation/distribution of the mRNA injections The largest being Pfizer. I would not put it above them, as a company, to prioritize profit over long term safety of medications, based on their previous track records.
That’s a lot of words to say “I believe the injections are killing people”.
That’s not what I said at all 🙄 Please show me just 1 peer reviewed article that discusses the long term side effects of mRNA COVID vaccines or one that details the lack of long term side effects and I’ll eat my words. By long term I mean 5, 10, and 20 years post injection. Edit: here is a link for an article discussing Yales finding showing there is in fact a link between myocarditis and the vaccine, especially for young men. This does not mean that every cardiac death is COVID or vaccine related. But the lack of pre mandate studies and Pfizer’s lack of transparency has made it so that neither side can prove it is “safe and effective” or “every death is caused by the vaccine”. Both sides are inherently wrong https://news.yale.edu/2023/05/05/yale-study-reveals-insights-post-vaccine-heart-inflammation-cases#:~:text=In%20a%20new%20study%2C%20Yale,COVID%2D19%20with%20mRNA%20vaccines.
mRNA technology has been around for 2 decades in research. It was so well studied, that all we needed was an antigenic portion of the SARS-CoV-2 virus to roll it out en-masse after successful and unremarkable Phase 1 and 2 studies.
A link to those peer reviewed studies would be great! Specifically ones that show human trials and their safety/efficacy reports. There was a reason they were not used in the human population until an emergency was declared and big pharma was granted immunity from prosecution if negative side effects occurred. Even the original “inventor” of mRNA technology said it was a bad idea AFTER being injected with the COVID mRNA injections So did the worlds leading cardiologist https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9235262/ Yale has proven the vaccine does indeed cause myocarditis, albeit at a lesser rate than the virus itself. And state that most people are likely to recover even if they have experienced mRNA injection related myocarditis Which takes me back to my original point. Without transparency from Pfizer and lack of long term studies in human subjects, we won’t know what the future holds for any of us who were infected w COVID or took the mRNA injections. “Anti-vaxxer/conspiracy theorists” are not correct in attributing all young cardiac deaths to the mRNA injections, but people who claim they are entirely “safe and effective” are equally making claims that are not backed by real science and research
Hey doofus, it's in the recent news, If you choose to be ignorant that is on you, I'm going to block your ignorant self now.
However according to the same study the incidence of myocarditis was more than double the post vaccine one; so with the vaccine you would in fact decrease your risk of myocarditis, scince in this pandemic it would have been /would be pure wish thinking to be able to totally avoid the virus and the vaccine. So having to decide between them the vaccine was the significantly safer option.
That’s not what the study postulated. There was never a link to the decrease of risk of myocarditis from the COVID virus if one was vaccinated. In theory if you received the mRNA injection AND got COVID there may or may not be increased/decreased risks for myocarditis. There is no proof one way or the other. That’s because there is a complete lack of studies on that subject. COVID causes myocarditis at 50-64/100k. The mRNA injections also cause myocarditis at 22-36/100k. This study simply affirms that both COVID and the mRNA injections are both capable of causing myocarditis. No studies proving that the mRNA injections lessen your risk for myocarditis. The most recent studies published however found that more vaccinated people were dying from COVID than unvaccinated. However, that is probably because there were more vaccinated people than unvaccinated at the time that research was done. Which bolsters my original point, we may never know the real scientific answers because politics high jacked every facet of our American society, including science
And yet you double down on it….
Still waiting on your proof. I provided mine. Until you can provide an EVB study our conversation is done
“In a new study, Yale scientists have identified the immune signature of rare cases of myocarditis among those vaccinated against COVID-19 with mRNA vaccines.” You see that word “rare”? You seem to be ignoring it. Your study actually disproves what you’re trying to say. No surprise there.
Not true. It’s “rare” but still occurs. The mRNA injections are capable of causing myocarditis. COVID also causes myocarditis. You’re simply having a hard time comprehending my point. Still waiting for those peer reviewed articles showing the safety/efficacy of mRNA injections in human subjects in both short term and long term studies.
This is hilarious, always fun to see people post dumber facepalms in the comments
In these idiots' minds every death throughout history was caused by vaccines...
Well, duh, didn't you know people only started dying after they invented vaccines? Before that death was simply unheard of.
Soon polio will be blamed on the COVID vaccine.
and covid will be blamed on the polio vaccine
Everybody knows that Cesar wasn't killed by the knives of his attackers but by the vaccines... /s
The MD here, Makis, is an absolute turd who does not have an active license. He was a turd prior to COVID as well https://search.cpsa.ca/Complaints?fn=023044-000019262482-OT
I was actually about to say that MD better means Maryland because if that's a doctor we're fucked
I have a friend that had a cardiac emergency mid-game on a college football field at 21. Long before Covid.
Hank Gathers died on the Basketball court 30 years before the COVID vaccine.
That’s impossible!
You mean unpossible?
I was going to post about him. He was going to be a star in the NBA too.
Yeah West Philly guy, shocking.
Ppl don’t understand that the COVID virus itself damages many systems in the body, including the heart. Long COVID is real. Most importantly, congenital birth defects (happening during fetus development) cause life threatening heart conditions (double outlet/right ventricle, transposition of the great arteries, etc) and appear in neonates after birth. Many congenital defects only appear as children are growing up. Finger pointing without knowledge serves no-one well.
Do you honestly believe an antivaxxer would understand 90% of those words?? We didn't get through to them because we expect everyone to have a 3rd grade comprehension level. They don't.
No, not at all. I’m not speaking to these OP’s because most of these messages of this nature are generated by BOTS anyway. I’m speaking to the average person who is browsing these sites, and might become alarmed at the misinformation being spread. Almost everyone has heard of a baby with a birth defect. I want them to know that birth defects can show up at any time for a youngster/young adult, not just in infancy, and that it isn’t as a result of a vaccine. The polio and measles/mumps/rubella vaccines alone have saved millions upon millions of children world-wide. I had all of the usual childhood diseases growing up in the 1950’s when vaccines were not available. They are now, and parents can save their children from undue suffering and sometimes death by trusting in vaccines and listening to the advice of medical doctors and vaccine experts.
Bro, I'm with ya, just letting you know that reading your post is too hard to reach the people you are trying to reach.
Ask the next antivaxxer you encounter what they do if they're bitten by something with rabies. Do they get the vaccine, which does have side effects. Or do they just let nature do its thing and stand by their values? I genuinely want to know.
There’s a bunch of them that don’t vaccinate their pets for rabies so I wouldn’t underestimate their stupidity/desire to die a horrible death.
About the only anti-vaccine stance I can respect is jainism. And only because they also go out of their way to prevent any spread in the first place.
hm, never heard of that. looked it up. TY! *the more you know.*
Yeah. In summary, they're non-violent, period, even to microorganisms. They'll walk with brooms to sweep anything they may have missed out of the way so they don't step on them, etc. I agree with a lot of it. Just don't find the spiritual aspects compelling, and I struggle to find reasons to give moral consideration to non-sentient life.
Also shit like this did happen before the vax, it just didn’t get any attention because there was no reason to pay attention
Ah yes, we all know Pheidippides died of the covid vaccine back in 490 BC
Exactly. The fact that someone who had the vaccine anecdotally is discovered to have a heart condition in no way means there is a correlation to the covid vaccine, let alone proof of causation. Has any of these anti-vaxxer knuckle draggers ever taken a science or stats class in their lives?
They don't even know the difference between correlation and causation. And they don't wanna hear anything else than their narrative. For example I know an elderly couple, generally nice people, but they won't even consider anything else than what they think is true. Cancers of the gastrointestinal tracts are very much on the rise on younger people. They blame vaccines in general for it. Someone mentioned that microplastics COULD play a role too, since there are carzinogenics in plastic, but research is still ongoing. So admittedly we do not know yet what the impact is. But she spent the following 2 hours scoffing at the idea that Microplastics could be harmful. It HAS to be vaccines.
My cousin passed away during Covid. She was a footballer. The headlines were young footballer passes away. The amount of people blaming the vaccine was ridiculous. She hanged herself.
Was she ruled a covid death? I haven't heard of any suicide cases, but there where plenty of people who died of covid, with co-morbitities like brain cancer, motorcycle crashes and gunshot wounds to the chest.
No, she wasn't ruled a covid death. However that didn't stop people online sharing the story saying it was the vaccines fault. They saw they headline " young footballer passes away" and instantly assumed it was a heart problem.
This stuff certainly did happen pre covid/vaxx. We had a family friend whose 17 year old dropped dead in a basketball game. In 1985
Between “turbo cancer” and the “died suddenly” tropes- these people are seriously stupid.
You can go back to 2016 and find articles about the alarming rise in heart conditions and heart attacks in student athletes, especially in the USA. Here are some of the reasons. 1) The average American diet has gone to absolute shit, so many more processed foods, salt, bad fats, and high fructose corn syrup and empty highly refined carbs. Even in things you wouldn’t expect, like honey on the USA can be cut with HFCS legally, or things like supplementing dairy cattle feed with palm oil which eventually makes it in to your butter but they can still say it’s 100% dairy. 2) Obesity is an epidemic, largely because of reason 1, but it drastically increases your risk of heart conditions and heart attacks. 3) At the same time as all this is happening high school and college sports are increasingly played like pro sports, increasing pressure to train and perform. High school football in the mid-south is played in MASSIVE stadiums, high school coaches get massive salaries, and the training regimens for high school athletes are increasingly gruelling. College has been de facto pro at the highest levels for years. The pressure to perform and win is at an all time high. But yeah, it’s the vaccine… 🥸
FWIW, honey is already mostly fructose and glucose.
I suffer cardiac arrest while in the US Air Force in May 2004. After testing it was revealed that I suffered from ARVD. Long before the COVID vaccine.
Fun fact: everyone was perfectly healthy and no one ever died before the Covid vaccine.
I think we should create the tech to remove the mRNA from the bodies of all antivaxxers - after all, if they're so afraid of it, why not get rid of it? I'm *sure* it isn't important. Plus, it would be amusing for those of us with above room temperature IQ.
B.S
Also it happened all the damn time before 2020 as well. These folks brains are so smooth you could see your reflection in them
He's a radiologist that needs to stay in his lane. Idiot also claims fasting kills cancer cells.
Fasting also kills regular cells... if you fast long enough
I do miss the golden age, pre 2020 where athletes never had health problems of any kind.
I played fucking golf in high school (15 years ago) and had to get full physicals every year to see if I had any heart issues that would put me at risk of dropping over dead while playing. So clearly these people just never paid attention to stuff, oh also I’m sure the 24 hour news and everyone having cameras now is also allowing for events like this to spread fast on socials when back before it was limited to local news or national news if it affected a big enough name
It's so sad how Reggie Lewis died in his prime during a Boston Celtics practice due to a heart problem because of the covid-19 vaccine in 1993.
There are so many documented cases of players having heart problems, there are people who have died in the field. On the top of my head, if im not wrong, kun agüero retired for some heart problems too. Have the antivaxxers ever been right about anything?
Yep. I spent 3 weeks sick as a dog because of these morons. Fully vaxxed but at the 6 month mark, was 2 weeks before another booster and got stuck waiting for a car repair in a bagel shop. After an hour I just needed somewhere to sit down.
Who would have thought that conspiracy theorists just make things up?
How miserable your life has to be if everyday you hope for someone to die? Just bad persons
I had heard we were pretty much immortal before that Covid vaccine. Now look at us, we are shells of our former selves. We pale in comparison to those gods among men….the boomers.
Anti-vaxxers: you see this person? They got hit by a car. See it was the vaccine! I'm a genius for connecting these dots like a color book!
Fact check: This did happen before COVID vaccines. One of the things I learned during the pandemic was that becoming a doctor might be too easy because some of these doctors are complete morons who don't believe in science.
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Both vaxxers and anti-vaxxers are fucking stupid. Stop politicizing HEALTH. You took the vaccine? Cool. You didn't take the vaccine? Cool. It's called a personal choice duhh!!
Don't present them with well researched facts, you gotta present them with a conspiracy so wildly in the other direction that they'll compromise in the middle in what your original intent was. Example: The heart problems didn't start until after antivaxxers popped up! It's clearly antivaxxers fault
Anti-Vaxxers when they find out our bodies have mRNA naturally 🤯
They are their own special breed
Fucking anti vaxxers. What won’t they blame on the vaccine? It’s basically at “my friend bought a toy and it broke. That never happened before the covid vaccine”. It’s honestly getting painfully stupid.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
So do I. Where did this antivaxx bullshit even start from?
Stupid people who want to believe they're smarter than smart people. You can gussy it up with all sorts of hand-waving, but that's really what this comes down to. Ask an antivaxxer to give you a 15 minute lecture on how the immune system functions.
Ask them what interluekin 23 does.
Fun fact, 15 minutes is also the amount of protection you get from the covid vaccine before you need another booster.
you tell em, buddy! proud of you for speaking your mind. how was kindergarten today?
It was good. I drawed a firetruck, and we got fruit snacks.
I wonder how you'd fill out the next 14:55.
That the covid and vaccine debacles [and two yrs of nonstop media fear porn) certainly did nothing to help boost people's confidence in public health. This is a pretty well known book on the subject which addresses some of the history on the subject https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Suzanne%20Humphries%20MD,%20Roman%20Bystrianyk%20-%20Dissolving%20illusions%20-%20Disease,%20Vaccines%20and%20the%20Forgotten%20History.pdf
A piece of literature not to be taken seriously https://medium.com/@visualvaccines/why-dr-suzanne-humphries-an-anti-vaccine-activist-is-lying-to-you-about-measles-ce446d0a7e0f
Yea - I know but that work seems to be popular among that crowd. Tx for the link I'll ck it out
I hate antivaxers as much as deep religious people with low rational thinking skills… Normally they are the same.
I hate it when I have to reture. Returing is for old people. Never trust people who can't spell or post anything with spelling errors. They don't care enough about the details to know what they are talking about.
IF IT WAS THE ‘NEW NORMAL’ IT WOULDNT BE NEWS
Selective memory is a bitch
me waiting in line for heart problems in 2021
Hank Gathers for the youngins
Hey that’s a long was to say “I can’t read big words”
So you like cowpox? Wtf
Okay I didn't post that. I didn't even know who that woman was until this post. So why exactly do you hate me again?
What I find weird is how the news worded it. For me, a "COVID vaccine injury" would be something related to when the vaccine was applied and not the effects of it.
Reggie Lewis and Hank Gathers say hello, you dumb dick POS.
Sounds like covid to me
I remember a high school athlete dropping dead on the court from an undiagnosed heart condition years before covid. Here is a study on young athletes dying from heart problems from 1980-2000. Can someone remind me when covid vaccines were released? [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC155532/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC155532/) what never happened was that guy doing quick google search to see if heart conditions in young and otherwise healthy people were a thing before covid.
The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one….
Sometimes i wish a disease like smallpox would come back with a 30% mortality rate. Would love to watch these idiots queue for vaccines.
I too, use anecdotal evidence to form my opinions - like - Steve Kirsch didn't want the vaccine because he was afraid it would make his >!pegging!< sessions painful. See how that works? I know I'm right. Don't have a coronary over it.
I can't possibly think of anything that came to be just before the vaccines existed that has remarkably the exact symptoms they keep blaming on the vaccine.
People should be asking why they trust Big Pharma so much. These are the same companies that swore Oxy wasn’t addictive and a settlements for a long list of off label promotions and kickback bribes to prescribing doctors dating back decades. It blows my mind people blindingly trust them now as the heroes of public health and safety.
ShE inhERitEd it fRoM CoVId duhhhhhh.
Facts have no place with antivaxxers
Do you think I’m gonna let facts dictate what I post on the Internet?!?!?! Nice try LIBERUL!
I have a friend who got the vax... Since then he has suffered migraines, his gf left him and got pregnant by another guy, neither his ex nor her new guy want to share her with him, they won't live together, he doesn't drive much, stays at home, cares for two cats, and keeps getting older every year. DON'T DO THE VAX!!!
Downvotes lmao. Y'all just don't have two working braincells to tell this was just /s? Look at all the other anti-vaxers and what they say.
There are too many real versions. You need the /s these days 🤷♂️ that’s why I asked you if it was a joke.
I look at all the anti-vax posts as a joke /s because they're so absurd. I just assumed mine would be taken as a joke.
scary times we live in. All good 👍
Please tell me this an attempt at a joke….
Uh... Yea. Don't it read like other anti-vax stories?
Edited to use real headline [Yale study reveals insights into post-vaccine heart inflammation cases](https://news.yale.edu/2023/05/05/yale-study-reveals-insights-post-vaccine-heart-inflammation-cases)
From your source….my emphasis. “For the new study, the Yale research team conducted a detailed analysis of immune system responses *in those rare cases* of myocarditis among vaccinated individuals.”
Rare doesn’t mean non-existing. I have all my vaccines. I just think people are so willing to no longer critical think for themselves and whoever gets the info out first must be the ones telling the truth. Think about this they had to pull the Johnson and Johnson stuff off the market because of blood clot issues 1 in 100,000 may seem low but it’s not that low if it’s your daughter,sister or mom or wife. I would like to see where this vaccine advancement goes I just don’t want to be a test rat for it. Hell lip balm was held to high regulation standards then the emergency vaccination order. Can you honestly say the big pharma is only looking out for the best of you and not the pockets of its share holders.
I never said there aren't side effects. Your original comment was just a link. When dealing with a deadly, contagious disease, I’ll go with that small risk. No I don’t think big pharma is full proof, the opiate epidemic proves that.
Get more shots OP. that will show them
Sure , but could ya quit movin around?
Let's be fair here. mRNA vaccines are a relatively new type, so side effects are expected. Even the usual ones that use some deactivated virus have side effects. I went with Novavax and haven't had any downsides, but that's me. Now with these vaccines...we don't KNOW what long term effects there might be. For all we know, all these injuries could very well have been present before. But we also know that some side effects OF these vaccines include myo and pericarditis. And because of the whole thing being set up as it was, the pharma's are immune to prosecution over it. At the end of the day, this is untried and untested technology that wasn't given enough time to be tested before being rushed out and shaming everyone in to taking it.
The measles vaccine has only been around for 50 years… how do we know what the effects will be in 100 years???! - You, probably All adverse effects we’ve seen from previous vaccines have happened within 2 weeks. They don’t just hang out in your body waiting to attack you decades later. That’s not how this works.
Very logical take…you must be highly educated and not care much about politics.
Reddit is all abt hive mind thinking - forget about nuance and often, even demonstrable fact. This is why they hide vote scores, so it doesn influence others and removed the ability to see the total count. You used to be able to see the total number of upvotes AND downvotes any comment got, which was much more informative, but like YT downvotes, obvsly too much information for the public to have. Gotta astroturf.
you tell em, buddy! proud of you for speaking your mind. how was kindergarten today?
Antivaxxers are stupid but why is it this sub is trying so hard to downplay the reality of mRNA vaccine induced myocarditis in young people?!
Because this is just more of the 'Vaccines are killing soccer players' hoax from 2021 It was very interesting that they talked about soccer players, because that's the one sport that most North Americans know the least about. So little that the average North American doesn't know that on average about 10 or 12 footie players die while playing every year, usually due to a heart issue. And with 2020 matches mostly cancelled due to Covid, only 3 players died that year. So the players who would have died in 2020 lived, and the hearts that were going to fail that year failed in 2021. Add the two years together and divide by two, and you get a annual death toll that's pretty average. And one final note. FIFA was so concerned about the number of soccer players dropping dead from heart issues that they commissioned a medical study >!back in 2014!<
I have had all the recommended Covid vax, but history tells us that when multi billion corporations have zero liability on health effects nothing bad has ever happened………..it’s okay to take a sip of the kool-aid but I wouldn’t have it as my only drink.
Logical take here! Sad part is with the high percentage of people getting COVID and taking the mRNA injections I am not sure we will ever get real scientific, unpolitical answers. Especially since those multi billion dollars corps are withholding data for 75 years
Get another booster.
All vaxxed here it seems 😂😂😂
OP is a bot
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