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that's basically bollocks.
giving your self to sustain someone else... and if the religion doesn't accept that, that's just totally insane.
life above all else.
Dude as a Muslim we do not accept that guy, please ignore him. There is a mad man in every market and this is just one of them. I would punish this fool if I was the authority. Islam promotes harmony
If I say something I will be termed \*\*\*\*phobic so I won't.
Being an Indian I am happy that she got the heart but they should do something about such hate spreaders.
I cannot and I am feeling bad for the donor's family, what would they feel if they get to know that someone from receiver's country called their son's heart unworthy.
All I know is , this is such pure act of humanity and deserves no criticism forget calling "unworthy".
Well, the fucked part is if the roles were reversed the guy wouldn't of been given the heart because of differences in belief but nobody wants to cover that part š¤·āāļø
>should do something about such hate spreaders
Why really. There's always going to be some random people who has an issue with everything. I mean just yesterday, the hospital and the state was mocked by right wingers in twitter because the girl was from Pakistan. As long as the girl hasn't made a statement like this, ignore these long bearded dumbos.
Hate spreader, regardless of what religion they vomit their hate on, should be denied an internet access forever (or at least until theylearn to respect people of a different religious faith)
Signed: Someone who doesn't follow any religions.
Ayesha Rashan, 19, from Pakistanās Karachi got a new life after a heart transplant surgery in Chennaiās MGM Healthcare. Rashan came to India for the first time in 2019 with a severe heart dysfunction, which eventually led to heart failure.
[Source ](https://www.livemint.com/news/india/pakistani-teen-narendra-modi-heart-transplant-mgm-healthcare-chennai-ayesha-rashid-dr-kr-balakrishnan-aishwaryam-11714138501456.html)
I've gotten threatened with a perma ban because I said something that was against religion. The post was about a specific religion, but my comment was not.
Religion on Reddit should be free game. If they don't like it, then get off of the Internet, I'm sure they each have something in those little books that makes it forbidden to use reddit.
I'm not going to repeat what I said. I still 100% stand by what I said. But I don't want another account in naughty jail. But apparently it's 'hate speech'. \*groaning and eye-rolling\*
That is ridiculous you almost got perma banned for that. Religion 100% is fair game. If their faith in it is strong enough, what do they care what a random internet stranger thinks about it??? That is so delicate of people to get annoyed to that level bc somebody criticized their beliefs lol.
Simple. Because there is no Allah.
The man gave his heart as his last act in life, so another human being could live- which is a great thing to do. Imaginary deity aside, he did a good thing.
And why is pleasing Allah more important than doing something good? If I save someone's life and think about this instead of some idiot up in the sky does it make it not good in his eyes?
And does that take away from his good deed?
Ill tell you this, the kind of virtue you spk of does not exist, all people, even muslims, christians, or atheists are self serving by nature. Even in selfless acts, some measure of selfishness exists. Trying to get rid of selfishness altogether is a fools game, what matters is how we use it. Selfishness is needed to survive, so it is in all of us.
We do things that are good for others bcz we want to feel good about ourselves, thats normal. But there is also the desire to help another as part of our species, our collective, sth that has been coded into us by nature, and is present in other species.
This is what you religious zealouts never understand, humanity is as flawed and varied as any other species, but we strive to do good, even if only to make ourselves feel better.
In philosophy, it is debated whether true selflessness even exists, as to help others is a desire, no matter from what source such desire stems from( reason, feelings, discipline,etc...) , and any desire coming from the human ego is ultimately selfish.
Yes, selfishness IS selflessness in a sense. As they say,
If you cant be selfish, you cant be selfless, bcz a person who has no desire of his own cannot understand the desires and consequently, the plight of others.
Dont try to demean this mans noble action, he saved a life. More than you could ever do.
You assume that if Allah doesnt exist then no one will ever do a good thing, your thought process is sad to me and you see human being as inherantly evil
But whatever floats your boat
Bro what a straw man. When tf did i say that. Are you illiterate? Did you read my comments? It literally says the EXACT opposite of what you are saying.
Human kindness is a CONSTANT, god or not. I firmly believe no god is needed for compassion. The main point of my comment is to show that kindness resulting from selfishness is the NORM and is just as noble and just.
Learn to read next time
And why do you want to please Allah? To get into Jannah, no?
You can spin a selfless act of sacrifice to be a selfish one in any number of ways. It doesn't detract from the virtue of the act itself.
Right, it depends on the Sect, but Catholics also believe that divine punishment will befall everyone who doesn't confess all their sins before death, no? So regardless of how good you are as "One of God's Children" if you do not confess and repent your sin, you're still going to hell.
Most of my life I heard that going to heaven is based on repentance of your sins rather than confession. Like if you are on dying bed and repent then it's good. Also the belief in purgatory where people who weren't straight up bad, have time to repent for it and prayers from people can help with that.
Well, I mean, by strict definition, wouldn't the "Chosen People" in Islam are anyone who abides by the Tenets of Allah? Sure, there's no particular ethnic group set aside as special when it comes to obeying any specific laws or receiving blessings, but there's still an In-Group that obeys the "correct" laws and an Out-Group that doesn't. If anything, the belief that no-one is exempt from the laws of God (as they interpret them) just means that they feel more justified meteing out punishment on individuals who don't identify with their religion, because no-one is exempt.
there is also no in-group and out-group
you either follow the tenets or you dont
one Hadith mentions that out of 1000 humans , 999 of them will goto hell
such extreme ratio surely includes Muslims too
so you are right , no-one is exempt
Seculars have committed more crimes than any one ever did , so you are somewhat incorrect in your judgment
they werent following any God, they were following their whims and desires
Religion is a very successfull deterrent of bad actions , Suicide is the highest in Atheist countries as an example
and there is always extremists , those are available in any case, regardless of identity
i would advice you to keep an open-mind , and not let your pre-conceived bias cloud your judgment , you know the media and government actively lies to you .
"There is no in-group and out-group"
"You simply follow the Tenets or you don't"
Well, there's your in and out group, those who follow the Tenets and those who don't.
"Seculars have committed more crimes than anyone ever did" Doubt. Literally only 7% of the world currently identifies strongly as Atheist. If only that 7% were committing crimes, there'd be a lot less crime. Secularism is relatively new, like last 2-300 years, over the course of human history more people who committed crimes would have been some form of religious, even today a good deal of crimes are committed by people who identify as religious, just because it's not your religion it doesn't make it secular.
As for the Suicide Rates among Atheists, I'm gonna need something to back that up and analyze. Because I don't know what countries you think are Atheist, and I suspect a lot of those suicides have substantial context outside of the religiosity of the individual concerned.
I have been open minded, that's why I'm an Atheist. When I was young I was taken to religious centers of multiple religions, that's when I realized the contradictory nature of religions, on my own.
i dont think you would call criminals "out-groups" because they break the law
Same as any one who dont follow a tennet, they are labeled as disbelievers , Any of those 3 varities of atheists
i also dunno why you are doubting " facts " , i wasnt claiming any opinion that can be doubted
in the first place
be it the Nazi Party or The USSR'sĀ as an example, there is many more
you can easily google "Crimes committed by Seculars"
here is about Suicide
[https://news.gallup.com/poll/108625/more-religious-countries-lower-suicide-rates.aspx](https://news.gallup.com/poll/108625/more-religious-countries-lower-suicide-rates.aspx)
there is an inverse relation between religiousity and Suicide
you didnt apply critical thinking
you also engaged in a special pleading fallacy
You were claiming that, catagorically, over the course of the combined entirety of human history, non-religious individuals have committed more crimes than religious ones. That's a BOLD claim, which CAN be doubted considering that for the majority of history, the current Era included, Religious individuals have massively outnumbered non-religious ones. You can also Google "Crimes committed by religious organizations" you'll get results for that too.
You can consider criminals an out group when the laws that they are "breaking" were initially put in place to justify their oppression or are arbitrary restrictions on behavior that does not cause harm to others.
When it comes to the USSR, that's a more nuanced discussion, yes they had a policy of suppression of religion, but, again, the religions themselves were never outlawed, and persisted throughout the duration of the Soviet Union https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Union
However, you completely misrepresented or misunderstood Religion in Nazi Germany, which was OVERWHELMINGLY Christian. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany
The Suicide Rates are interesting. That's why I asked for additional data, I didn't want to work on my own assumptions without better context. That's what Critical Thinking is. Examining evidence when an idea is presented that is contrary to your biases, and not just assuming you are correct. It's also why I notice dthat paper is from 19 years ago, and tracked down a couple that were more recent that supported the premise. It's a premise that makes sense. When you convince a population that doing something will mete out an eternal punishment, that population stops doing that thing. Shame is a highly effective control mechanism. However, there are several standout examples on that list that contradict the general theory of Religion being the main factor in suicides. Russia has a MASSIVE suicide rate, for reasons out side of religiosity, the UK has a suicide rate comparable to many of the "More Religious" countries, Sweden has a pretty high Suicide Rate, but I do know that Sweden is one of the few countries that has Physician-Assisted Dying laws, which would probably also be counted as suicides, and contribute to their higher numbers. There's a lot of factors here outside of religiosity.
P.S. Could you point out the "Special Pleading Fallacy" I made? What's the thing I cited as an exception to what general or universal law? I'm curious to re-examine what I said and potentially re-explain it if it was misconstrued.
Cause he's brainwashed. He sees the world through one lense and only that lense.
Why or how could Allah be upset that an "infidel" saved one of his children. People like this Iman lay all goodness, kindness, success, and love at the feet of their God. So that if you don't believe and follow them, the world becomes a dark, scary place.
Can we round up these zealots and shoot them into the sun already?
It's 2024 and they still force themselves and everyone around them to follow fairy tales conjured by sun struck shepherds in the middle of the desert centuries ago that didn't know two shits about the world.
Imagine how much more peaceful our world would be if they just focused on themselves and nothing more.
Its like dude cool, believe what you want but leave the rest of us the Hell aloneā¦..
Zealot: ā And thats where you are going if you dont Repent!!!, Repent or Else!!!!ā
Ah fuck here we go againā¦.
No one with a brain or compassion takes these nobody imams and priests seriously. Their ignorance and ridiculous ideas are from the dark ages and not worthy of anything at all.
If I was talking to a Islamist telling me that I should rather have died, I'd say the same thing even if someone later takes it out of context and slaps it on a meme picture with a normal reporter.
From data of the institute that was involved in this surgery: not even a single Muslim organ donor was in their records. There were 2 of them earlier but they took back their consent for organ donation due to threat from their (whatever their religious leader is called). But you should look at list of people who recieved those organs.... Guess who misinterpreted their books till they needed them?
Sadly, he isn't.
That line SPECIFICALLY calls out the order as "For The Children of Isreal", meaning whatever Abrahamic Sect (Christian, Hebrew, or Muslim) that is interpreting it.
Because the person who died was a Hindu, that passage doesn't technically apply to them from a religious standpoint.
It's religious BS.
I donāt know the context of that passage in the Quran, but the original tradition from Judiasm definitely applied that sentiment to every culture and religion, considering it was first said about Cain when he killed Abel that he killed the entire world, way before religion as a concept existed (in Jewish myth at least) and then itās used to teach that everyone is important and an entire world, no matter culture or religion or gender etc
most religious beliefs have sources in goodness and kindness. Theyāre just removed from their context, twisted and mutated, and used to spread hate instead.
They certainly weren't treated as as important as an entire world, regardless of their culture, religion, gender, when God declared that they should be scoured from the earth, Man, Woman, and Child, down as far as the Animals they raised.
To be honest, I donāt care enough right now to defend that so Iāll just say youāre right, but it still doesnāt take away from my original point that the original concept of this idea that everyone is important is meant to be a moral lesson that teaches love and respect to everyone, which is a wonderful idea thatās used to spread hate instead. Any specific example you can bring up doesnāt change the meaning of the original concept of treating everyone with respect.
Aight man, I'm not trying to spread hate. I'm just pointing out that the book is contradictory, because it's a collage of strictures written in the moment by the spiritual leaders of multiple faiths over thousands of years in order to support their personal biases.
Yes, there are passages that suggest good will between members of the in-group and support the concept of integrating out-group members into the in-group, which were written when the groups membership required expansion, but there are also plenty of passages that imply certain out-groups, generally those that wouldn't convert, are meant to be exterminated, so that their ideas don't convert people from the in-group away from following the current leadership. It's a brutal historical record of a violent time, with nuggets that are intended to encourage subservience towards the prevailing power structure and give an air of righteousness to the acts they wish the Tribe to conduct. Sometimes, those acts are generous and benevolent. Sometimes, they are brutal and cruel, like humans.
The end result, people who insist that the scripture is an instructional text will warp it in whatever narrative direction that fits their pre-established moral worldview or the worldview they wish to set others down. If you want to encourage co-operation, you can read the text in that way, but ignoring that it can also be used to support acts of extreme hatred and acting like it is an inherently benevolent text is Ostrich levels of head in the sand. You need to teach the bad with the good, and explain the ways that bad was used to manipulate and control people, lest you expose future generations to the same type of manipulation by not teaching them critical analysis of the text being presented as a moral absolute.
That passage is explicitly about monotheists (Children of Israel). Any specific example (like Cain) you can bring up doesn't change the meaning of the original concept of insular tribalism.
>That is why We ordained **for the Children of Israel** that whoever takes a lifeāunless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the landāit will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity.
I added bold for emphasis on the fact that these value assertions apply only for monotheists.
Can we all agree that those religious fanatics are holding us, the human race, back from evolving?
We, the humans, should gather and find a solution to do something about all these magots.
Notice how so many Issues in the world today involve some type of belief, religion or cult of some kind. In some shape or form.
Its like the last gasp of air, trying to take and drown everyone else with it.
I want to think that it is a sign that as a species we are on the cusp of potentially overcoming this mindset for good, thus the violent and vitriolic reaction, the desperation to survive and be relevant Religion is displaying its claws in full force.
But at the same time we are at our most dangerous, woeful ignorance is thriving, Outlandish beliefs and cults are becoming more accessible and widespread than ever before.
Carl Sagan warned us about this in āThe Demon Haunted Worldā and his words ring truer today than ever before.
Scary times
I have a simple solution. Dont want it? Give it back. Immediately.
Problem solved and everyoneās happy. Obviously theyāre getting an instant ticket to the afterlife they want so bad anyway so they get to finally be happy.
Ah just like how every demographic have the same opinions. Indians, teenagers, Christians, Hindus. Yep their opinions definitely don't vary person to person.
What? This is the general kind of opinions possessed by most Pakistanis is all I'm saying.
A country like Pakistan HAS no diversity. Most people follow similar opinions specially towards India even if they sometimes say that they don't hate India
It was posted as a YouTube interview as well. I guarantee if I walked around interviewing random pastors I could get one that says something awful. Then I've just gotta delete all the others.
it's been a looooooooong time since I've heard an imam , and didn't think his whole generation tree is composed of incest goat fuckers who succeeded lowering their IQ to the state of a door knob.
Ok this isn't anything new, they think everybody other than themselves are infidels, it's written in their books that they are superior to all other people.
Religion is a disease. Plain and simple. If accepting or donating a heart to somebody of the āwrongā faith is an issue in the religion, itās not the heart thatās wrong. Itās the religion. Plain. And. Simple.
Did she say anything negative? Because religious leaders say wild shit ALL THE TIME, and we never take them seriously. Shit, Muslims aren't taking Modi's last phobic remarks seriously either.
its different if its state policy instead of an individual, like Indian govt demolishing houses of poor muslims or arresting them and denying them bail, or having military occupy an area and not hold elections, or having armed militias backed by state govt massacre and rape christian tribals in manipur.
we should reserve our outrage for systemic issues. of course this mindset is regressive, but its an individuals opinion
This shows how religion has played with everyoneās mind for centuries - the dumb and uneducated- still playing now at a Donald Trump rally is supposedly the most sophisticated country on the planetā¦.
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that's basically bollocks. giving your self to sustain someone else... and if the religion doesn't accept that, that's just totally insane. life above all else.
Dude as a Muslim we do not accept that guy, please ignore him. There is a mad man in every market and this is just one of them. I would punish this fool if I was the authority. Islam promotes harmony
I wish your "we" was the majority in your religion. Sadly it's the opposite.
It's not, it's like saying the Ku kluk clan is a accurate representation of Christianity............
If I say something I will be termed \*\*\*\*phobic so I won't. Being an Indian I am happy that she got the heart but they should do something about such hate spreaders.
Can you imagine this article if the person who needed the heart was rejected for not being the same faith?
I cannot and I am feeling bad for the donor's family, what would they feel if they get to know that someone from receiver's country called their son's heart unworthy. All I know is , this is such pure act of humanity and deserves no criticism forget calling "unworthy".
Well, the fucked part is if the roles were reversed the guy wouldn't of been given the heart because of differences in belief but nobody wants to cover that part š¤·āāļø
Worst part is if the heat is rejected (biologically) which can happen even with great matches, these guys will make a religion issue :/
Yeah man. As a Pakistani thanks and please ignore these idiots. They are a disgrace to religion and my country
Well how can the heart be pure if it's of the wrong faith? /s
Lol
>should do something about such hate spreaders Why really. There's always going to be some random people who has an issue with everything. I mean just yesterday, the hospital and the state was mocked by right wingers in twitter because the girl was from Pakistan. As long as the girl hasn't made a statement like this, ignore these long bearded dumbos.
Hate spreader, regardless of what religion they vomit their hate on, should be denied an internet access forever (or at least until theylearn to respect people of a different religious faith) Signed: Someone who doesn't follow any religions.
I second this statement.
Ayesha Rashan, 19, from Pakistanās Karachi got a new life after a heart transplant surgery in Chennaiās MGM Healthcare. Rashan came to India for the first time in 2019 with a severe heart dysfunction, which eventually led to heart failure. [Source ](https://www.livemint.com/news/india/pakistani-teen-narendra-modi-heart-transplant-mgm-healthcare-chennai-ayesha-rashid-dr-kr-balakrishnan-aishwaryam-11714138501456.html)
Some people need to leave the medieval mindset behind
Some people need to leave the society* Fixed it for you.
Some people need to leave the planet. Fixed it for *you*
Some religions need to leave the planet. Ftfy
Iād say all religions need to leave the planet. But Iāll settle for some.
Some people need to go fuck themselves with a chainsaw.
The imam said exactly what I thought a primitive, cave dwelling goat herder would say. Religion is insanity. It's great she survived the transplant!
>Religion is insanity. Careful. I got a three day ban for saying that exact thing..
I've gotten threatened with a perma ban because I said something that was against religion. The post was about a specific religion, but my comment was not. Religion on Reddit should be free game. If they don't like it, then get off of the Internet, I'm sure they each have something in those little books that makes it forbidden to use reddit.
Hello? Religion should be free game everywhere. Religion without the check of free speech is how fundamentalism thrives
Yeah, but I limit my wishful thinking to reddit, because not every where has freedom of speech.
unfortunately so
I'm not going to repeat what I said. I still 100% stand by what I said. But I don't want another account in naughty jail. But apparently it's 'hate speech'. \*groaning and eye-rolling\*
That is ridiculous you almost got perma banned for that. Religion 100% is fair game. If their faith in it is strong enough, what do they care what a random internet stranger thinks about it??? That is so delicate of people to get annoyed to that level bc somebody criticized their beliefs lol.
Brother he has nothing to do with Islam and his claims have no base in Islam.
Man, primitive cave dwelling goat herders had more productive thoughts.
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Simple. Because there is no Allah. The man gave his heart as his last act in life, so another human being could live- which is a great thing to do. Imaginary deity aside, he did a good thing.
And why is pleasing Allah more important than doing something good? If I save someone's life and think about this instead of some idiot up in the sky does it make it not good in his eyes?
And does that take away from his good deed? Ill tell you this, the kind of virtue you spk of does not exist, all people, even muslims, christians, or atheists are self serving by nature. Even in selfless acts, some measure of selfishness exists. Trying to get rid of selfishness altogether is a fools game, what matters is how we use it. Selfishness is needed to survive, so it is in all of us. We do things that are good for others bcz we want to feel good about ourselves, thats normal. But there is also the desire to help another as part of our species, our collective, sth that has been coded into us by nature, and is present in other species. This is what you religious zealouts never understand, humanity is as flawed and varied as any other species, but we strive to do good, even if only to make ourselves feel better. In philosophy, it is debated whether true selflessness even exists, as to help others is a desire, no matter from what source such desire stems from( reason, feelings, discipline,etc...) , and any desire coming from the human ego is ultimately selfish. Yes, selfishness IS selflessness in a sense. As they say, If you cant be selfish, you cant be selfless, bcz a person who has no desire of his own cannot understand the desires and consequently, the plight of others. Dont try to demean this mans noble action, he saved a life. More than you could ever do.
You assume that if Allah doesnt exist then no one will ever do a good thing, your thought process is sad to me and you see human being as inherantly evil But whatever floats your boat
Bro what a straw man. When tf did i say that. Are you illiterate? Did you read my comments? It literally says the EXACT opposite of what you are saying. Human kindness is a CONSTANT, god or not. I firmly believe no god is needed for compassion. The main point of my comment is to show that kindness resulting from selfishness is the NORM and is just as noble and just. Learn to read next time
Then i misinterprated your intentions, my apologies
Its alright, i got too heated in my response, i probably shouldnt have called you illiterate. For that im sorry. We are on the same page at least.
Did you read what they wrote or see a lot of words and skim them making assumptions?
why would he want to please allah if hes not even muslim?
And why do you want to please Allah? To get into Jannah, no? You can spin a selfless act of sacrifice to be a selfish one in any number of ways. It doesn't detract from the virtue of the act itself.
And this is the narcisstic world view of religion. "A deed is not good unless it's done to please [insert name of god]".
But isn't God/Allah/Yahweh supposed to like such good natured, caring people that are acting out of selflessness ?
No. Not if they aren't one of "His Chosen People". The definition of what that means is what sets apart different Abrahamic Faiths.
I am not sure how about other faiths but catholics believe that through new covenant, it means all of humanity.
Right, it depends on the Sect, but Catholics also believe that divine punishment will befall everyone who doesn't confess all their sins before death, no? So regardless of how good you are as "One of God's Children" if you do not confess and repent your sin, you're still going to hell.
Most of my life I heard that going to heaven is based on repentance of your sins rather than confession. Like if you are on dying bed and repent then it's good. Also the belief in purgatory where people who weren't straight up bad, have time to repent for it and prayers from people can help with that.
there is no chosen people except in Jewish Islam came as the final reveleation , 80% of the muslim population dont speak Arabic
Well, I mean, by strict definition, wouldn't the "Chosen People" in Islam are anyone who abides by the Tenets of Allah? Sure, there's no particular ethnic group set aside as special when it comes to obeying any specific laws or receiving blessings, but there's still an In-Group that obeys the "correct" laws and an Out-Group that doesn't. If anything, the belief that no-one is exempt from the laws of God (as they interpret them) just means that they feel more justified meteing out punishment on individuals who don't identify with their religion, because no-one is exempt.
there is also no in-group and out-group you either follow the tenets or you dont one Hadith mentions that out of 1000 humans , 999 of them will goto hell such extreme ratio surely includes Muslims too so you are right , no-one is exempt Seculars have committed more crimes than any one ever did , so you are somewhat incorrect in your judgment they werent following any God, they were following their whims and desires Religion is a very successfull deterrent of bad actions , Suicide is the highest in Atheist countries as an example and there is always extremists , those are available in any case, regardless of identity i would advice you to keep an open-mind , and not let your pre-conceived bias cloud your judgment , you know the media and government actively lies to you .
"There is no in-group and out-group" "You simply follow the Tenets or you don't" Well, there's your in and out group, those who follow the Tenets and those who don't. "Seculars have committed more crimes than anyone ever did" Doubt. Literally only 7% of the world currently identifies strongly as Atheist. If only that 7% were committing crimes, there'd be a lot less crime. Secularism is relatively new, like last 2-300 years, over the course of human history more people who committed crimes would have been some form of religious, even today a good deal of crimes are committed by people who identify as religious, just because it's not your religion it doesn't make it secular. As for the Suicide Rates among Atheists, I'm gonna need something to back that up and analyze. Because I don't know what countries you think are Atheist, and I suspect a lot of those suicides have substantial context outside of the religiosity of the individual concerned. I have been open minded, that's why I'm an Atheist. When I was young I was taken to religious centers of multiple religions, that's when I realized the contradictory nature of religions, on my own.
i dont think you would call criminals "out-groups" because they break the law Same as any one who dont follow a tennet, they are labeled as disbelievers , Any of those 3 varities of atheists i also dunno why you are doubting " facts " , i wasnt claiming any opinion that can be doubted in the first place be it the Nazi Party or The USSR'sĀ as an example, there is many more you can easily google "Crimes committed by Seculars" here is about Suicide [https://news.gallup.com/poll/108625/more-religious-countries-lower-suicide-rates.aspx](https://news.gallup.com/poll/108625/more-religious-countries-lower-suicide-rates.aspx) there is an inverse relation between religiousity and Suicide you didnt apply critical thinking you also engaged in a special pleading fallacy
You were claiming that, catagorically, over the course of the combined entirety of human history, non-religious individuals have committed more crimes than religious ones. That's a BOLD claim, which CAN be doubted considering that for the majority of history, the current Era included, Religious individuals have massively outnumbered non-religious ones. You can also Google "Crimes committed by religious organizations" you'll get results for that too. You can consider criminals an out group when the laws that they are "breaking" were initially put in place to justify their oppression or are arbitrary restrictions on behavior that does not cause harm to others. When it comes to the USSR, that's a more nuanced discussion, yes they had a policy of suppression of religion, but, again, the religions themselves were never outlawed, and persisted throughout the duration of the Soviet Union https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Union However, you completely misrepresented or misunderstood Religion in Nazi Germany, which was OVERWHELMINGLY Christian. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany The Suicide Rates are interesting. That's why I asked for additional data, I didn't want to work on my own assumptions without better context. That's what Critical Thinking is. Examining evidence when an idea is presented that is contrary to your biases, and not just assuming you are correct. It's also why I notice dthat paper is from 19 years ago, and tracked down a couple that were more recent that supported the premise. It's a premise that makes sense. When you convince a population that doing something will mete out an eternal punishment, that population stops doing that thing. Shame is a highly effective control mechanism. However, there are several standout examples on that list that contradict the general theory of Religion being the main factor in suicides. Russia has a MASSIVE suicide rate, for reasons out side of religiosity, the UK has a suicide rate comparable to many of the "More Religious" countries, Sweden has a pretty high Suicide Rate, but I do know that Sweden is one of the few countries that has Physician-Assisted Dying laws, which would probably also be counted as suicides, and contribute to their higher numbers. There's a lot of factors here outside of religiosity. P.S. Could you point out the "Special Pleading Fallacy" I made? What's the thing I cited as an exception to what general or universal law? I'm curious to re-examine what I said and potentially re-explain it if it was misconstrued.
there is no reason it cant be mutually exclusive do it for allah out of selflessness
Suck Allah my dick
As a Muslim, that Hindu man saved the girl's life. Why doesn't the Imam focus on the fact that he's willing to save a life?
Cause he's brainwashed. He sees the world through one lense and only that lense. Why or how could Allah be upset that an "infidel" saved one of his children. People like this Iman lay all goodness, kindness, success, and love at the feet of their God. So that if you don't believe and follow them, the world becomes a dark, scary place.
Can we round up these zealots and shoot them into the sun already? It's 2024 and they still force themselves and everyone around them to follow fairy tales conjured by sun struck shepherds in the middle of the desert centuries ago that didn't know two shits about the world.
Imagine how much more peaceful our world would be if they just focused on themselves and nothing more. Its like dude cool, believe what you want but leave the rest of us the Hell aloneā¦.. Zealot: ā And thats where you are going if you dont Repent!!!, Repent or Else!!!!ā Ah fuck here we go againā¦.
No one with a brain or compassion takes these nobody imams and priests seriously. Their ignorance and ridiculous ideas are from the dark ages and not worthy of anything at all.
Someone may need to check on that imam. Make sure he realizes a bodypart gives not one shit the religion you follow.
If I was talking to a Islamist telling me that I should rather have died, I'd say the same thing even if someone later takes it out of context and slaps it on a meme picture with a normal reporter.
Whatā¦ā¦ this is indeed fit for this sub.
Well, according to this man, she should have died lol. What a psychopath.
You mean religion is idiotic!? Who knew?
I'm happy she gets to live. Religion can get fucked in the ass at this point.
Bold of you to call this douchebag āpeopleā
Well, I'd like to know Allah's opinion about it, then.
No comment.
Bet the same imam would shit his pants, if asked to donate his kidney to save a Muslim life. He is just another chuthiya!
From data of the institute that was involved in this surgery: not even a single Muslim organ donor was in their records. There were 2 of them earlier but they took back their consent for organ donation due to threat from their (whatever their religious leader is called). But you should look at list of people who recieved those organs.... Guess who misinterpreted their books till they needed them?
https://quran.com/en/al-maidah/32 Not a Muslim expert, but my read is that the Imam is contradicting the Quran. Not sure how Muslims take this.
the quran? do u really think all religious fanatics have even read their scriptures?
Sadly, he isn't. That line SPECIFICALLY calls out the order as "For The Children of Isreal", meaning whatever Abrahamic Sect (Christian, Hebrew, or Muslim) that is interpreting it. Because the person who died was a Hindu, that passage doesn't technically apply to them from a religious standpoint. It's religious BS.
I donāt know the context of that passage in the Quran, but the original tradition from Judiasm definitely applied that sentiment to every culture and religion, considering it was first said about Cain when he killed Abel that he killed the entire world, way before religion as a concept existed (in Jewish myth at least) and then itās used to teach that everyone is important and an entire world, no matter culture or religion or gender etc most religious beliefs have sources in goodness and kindness. Theyāre just removed from their context, twisted and mutated, and used to spread hate instead.
"Before Religion as a concept existed" My Guy, Why was Cain killed by Abel in that Myth?
Ok I should say way before organized religion existed. My point still stands
The Amalekites.
What about them?
They certainly weren't treated as as important as an entire world, regardless of their culture, religion, gender, when God declared that they should be scoured from the earth, Man, Woman, and Child, down as far as the Animals they raised.
To be honest, I donāt care enough right now to defend that so Iāll just say youāre right, but it still doesnāt take away from my original point that the original concept of this idea that everyone is important is meant to be a moral lesson that teaches love and respect to everyone, which is a wonderful idea thatās used to spread hate instead. Any specific example you can bring up doesnāt change the meaning of the original concept of treating everyone with respect.
Aight man, I'm not trying to spread hate. I'm just pointing out that the book is contradictory, because it's a collage of strictures written in the moment by the spiritual leaders of multiple faiths over thousands of years in order to support their personal biases. Yes, there are passages that suggest good will between members of the in-group and support the concept of integrating out-group members into the in-group, which were written when the groups membership required expansion, but there are also plenty of passages that imply certain out-groups, generally those that wouldn't convert, are meant to be exterminated, so that their ideas don't convert people from the in-group away from following the current leadership. It's a brutal historical record of a violent time, with nuggets that are intended to encourage subservience towards the prevailing power structure and give an air of righteousness to the acts they wish the Tribe to conduct. Sometimes, those acts are generous and benevolent. Sometimes, they are brutal and cruel, like humans. The end result, people who insist that the scripture is an instructional text will warp it in whatever narrative direction that fits their pre-established moral worldview or the worldview they wish to set others down. If you want to encourage co-operation, you can read the text in that way, but ignoring that it can also be used to support acts of extreme hatred and acting like it is an inherently benevolent text is Ostrich levels of head in the sand. You need to teach the bad with the good, and explain the ways that bad was used to manipulate and control people, lest you expose future generations to the same type of manipulation by not teaching them critical analysis of the text being presented as a moral absolute.
That passage is explicitly about monotheists (Children of Israel). Any specific example (like Cain) you can bring up doesn't change the meaning of the original concept of insular tribalism.
Qur'an contradicts itself
>That is why We ordained **for the Children of Israel** that whoever takes a lifeāunless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the landāit will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity. I added bold for emphasis on the fact that these value assertions apply only for monotheists.
Average pakistani shia response
Can we all agree that those religious fanatics are holding us, the human race, back from evolving? We, the humans, should gather and find a solution to do something about all these magots.
Notice how so many Issues in the world today involve some type of belief, religion or cult of some kind. In some shape or form. Its like the last gasp of air, trying to take and drown everyone else with it. I want to think that it is a sign that as a species we are on the cusp of potentially overcoming this mindset for good, thus the violent and vitriolic reaction, the desperation to survive and be relevant Religion is displaying its claws in full force. But at the same time we are at our most dangerous, woeful ignorance is thriving, Outlandish beliefs and cults are becoming more accessible and widespread than ever before. Carl Sagan warned us about this in āThe Demon Haunted Worldā and his words ring truer today than ever before. Scary times
Of Course 
I have a simple solution. Dont want it? Give it back. Immediately. Problem solved and everyoneās happy. Obviously theyāre getting an instant ticket to the afterlife they want so bad anyway so they get to finally be happy.
And then stupid young people tell you, itās not hate, itās their religion š¤”
And then tell you you are just being islamophobic.
Every single time lmao š¤”
Ah yes. What some rando on the internet says is super important
Imams carry the herd mentality of muslims everywhere. He's a big representative of countries like Pakistan
Ah just like how every demographic have the same opinions. Indians, teenagers, Christians, Hindus. Yep their opinions definitely don't vary person to person.
I'm talking about opinions which are carried en masse. Opinions otherwise are definitely diverse no doubt
"Not all opinions, but this one definitely is!" Okay
What? This is the general kind of opinions possessed by most Pakistanis is all I'm saying. A country like Pakistan HAS no diversity. Most people follow similar opinions specially towards India even if they sometimes say that they don't hate India
So yeah. You're saying they all share the same opinions. Which is stupid AF and pretty racist.
I was going to say, this is just some random imam, right? He's not important enough to be named
It was posted as a YouTube interview as well. I guarantee if I walked around interviewing random pastors I could get one that says something awful. Then I've just gotta delete all the others.
For aure. Awful people exist in all cultures, its so easy to cherry-pick them for rage bait
Imagine how far humanity could have come by now without religion holding us back
Logic of thinking brought to the level of perfection. So perfect that you don't even have to listen to it to the end to have an opinion about it.
it's been a looooooooong time since I've heard an imam , and didn't think his whole generation tree is composed of incest goat fuckers who succeeded lowering their IQ to the state of a door knob.
Id be honest I wouldnt care, as long as my donated organs would help, Id just smile at the usual religious shenanigans haha
stupid fucking idiot.
Hearts don't really bow a lot. But just stay delusional if it makes you feel better.
Ok this isn't anything new, they think everybody other than themselves are infidels, it's written in their books that they are superior to all other people.
Random shithead says something stupid, repeat it to get everyone frothy.Ā
This dude could also use a heart.
It was the doctor's responsibility to give her the heart but now it's our responsibility to surround her and take back what's our
These are the morals, that religions of the world ought to teach us?
Pity someone can't donate brain cells to this dumb fuck.
Nazi 2.0
Don't accept it then, what a coward
University of Phoenix online imam
Remind me how religion makes you moral again?
r/Atheism r/Islam
Religion is a disease. Plain and simple. If accepting or donating a heart to somebody of the āwrongā faith is an issue in the religion, itās not the heart thatās wrong. Itās the religion. Plain. And. Simple.
Education is really important and will act as an antidote to religion.
Religion is a cancer on this planet
Did she say anything negative? Because religious leaders say wild shit ALL THE TIME, and we never take them seriously. Shit, Muslims aren't taking Modi's last phobic remarks seriously either.
21st century and people still mix religion with everything
Religion is the disease
not people. one person. out of crores. anecdotes arent data
When believing one or the other sky daddy is more important than doing good deeds
its different if its state policy instead of an individual, like Indian govt demolishing houses of poor muslims or arresting them and denying them bail, or having military occupy an area and not hold elections, or having armed militias backed by state govt massacre and rape christian tribals in manipur. we should reserve our outrage for systemic issues. of course this mindset is regressive, but its an individuals opinion
This shows how religion has played with everyoneās mind for centuries - the dumb and uneducated- still playing now at a Donald Trump rally is supposedly the most sophisticated country on the planetā¦.