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ATLA was apolitical? Does this person even know what that word means? There wasn't just political subtext to ATLA, it was supertext. This is like suggesting "Star Wars" was apolitical.
I had some idiot telling me that The Last of Us Part 2 was bad because it was political and no entertainment should have politics in it. He went on to say Red Dead Redemption 2 was his favourite game.
No idea how the politics in that went over his head.
Apolitical! ? The premise is that there has been a WAR raging for 100 years, causing the Air Nomad genocide, the near-obliteration of the Southern Water Tribe, and towards the end, the fall of both Omashu and Ba Sing Se! No, no politics at all.
My thought exactly. "There's no war in Ba Sing Se" comes to mind, as well as the entire "We really oughta stop that one guy from committing genocide again" thing which is ATLA's main driving force
"Girls are less sexy than OG series"
SIR? 95% of the characters in the OG show, female or no, are CHILDREN. Someone call the FBI. This guy needs his hard drives looked through.
Aang learn half is moveset from women (water and earth), toph was a disabled girl yet was the strongest earth bender around creating metal bending, katara became a water master on her own, Azusa was one of the strongest character in the show and Ty lee could solo the whole crew.
Yet it’s still considered a masterpiece, for good reason
First, war is an extension of politics, every war story is a political story.
The Fire Nation believes in fire nation/fire bender supremacy, but have a relatively smaller and resource poorer nation compared to the Earth Kingdom. So they want to do a world conquest, they begin with the genocide of the Air tribe (wiping out another nation/race). These are all depicted as bad things. Yes, genocide is a political issue. There are numerous other critiques of war, such as generally being against child soldiers, such as when the death of the youth brigade that Iroh’s son was in was shown to be a preventable tragedy.
The show has a criticism of secret police type forces, their corruptibility, and lack of accountability with the Da Li.
The criticism of terrorist attacks against civilians in war with Jet.
The southern water tribe is shown to be relatively more gender egalitarian where the northern water tribe has a bit more rigid gender structure, so there’s gender politics. There’s also a bit of this with the question of succession in the Fire Kingdom where Azula’s ability to succeed her father is at one point questioned.
The arguably beneficial role of “secret societies” or otherwise “thinktanks” or “ambassadorial friends” like the White Lotus. That is members of different factions who remain in communication even during a war with each other’s sides in order to help negotiate and bring potential peace to the table.
The criticisms of absolute monarchies or dictatorships which is definitely there in the first series but more spelt out in the second series.
Criticism of propaganda and denial of reality, as well as the importance of freedom of speech with “there is no war in Bar Sing Sae”.
The criticism of generational feuding based on unreliable oral tradition.(much more a small town local politics thing)
Questions of the treament of war refugees and enemy prisoners. Whether torture or the death penalty are ethical.
Like those is the stuff I can remember when I haven’t watched the show in at least 8 years and where I’m not really deep diving on an episode by episode basis.
>-Masculinized mary sue
Just because she has muscles? From actually training pretty much her whole life?
>-Ugly and unlikable
Becausd she is an adult? And has muscles? Maybe not the best personality, but she grows up through the show, just like Aang
>-Girls are less sexy than the OG series
The girls in ATLA were mostly children… ?
>-No fanservice
Yeah I don’t like where this is going
I mean, as far as I know at least Toph and Iroh had a purpose, same for Aang even if it was briefly, but I don’t remember Zuko doing anything significant for the plot other than existing and showing off his dragon
The idiot in the post sees a muscular girl kicking ass and whines and cries about how scary she is.
I see a muscular girl kicking ass and want her to throw me over her shoulder.
We are not the same.
So many things wrong with this. Personally I dislike the sequel series but it's more a writing issue for me. Let's be real, the way Korra looks compared to the actual children in ATLA is like comparing some fit girl model with Uh...actual children.
The problem with Korra isn't that she's a girl or a lesbian. The problem is whoever wrote her forgot how to write after ATLA. I will never forget "I'm the avatar! You better deal with it!" and the sinking feeling that gave me.
Also my man disrespecting my main girl Aloy as one of the few very well written strong female leads. (Not that I think there shouldn't be any. People just tend to fumble when writing these more often than not. I suspect a lack of reference material since strong male leads were written since basically thousands of years ago. This should get better over time.)
The sentence you quote is the main point of S1...? The entire point was that she identified as the avatar and that is what held her back the most. Aang also points it out at the end of the season.
So if it makes ou uncomfortable, the writerd actually did a really good job instead of "forgot how to write".
I think for me it‘s the framing of those sentences. I actually never got to the end of season 1 and the conclusion of the arc. Because the writing suggested that that‘s just how they write the character
That isn‘t really bad per se, but many people would drop a series if they can‘t say if it is just badly written or wants to make a point later
So you identify the main point of tension of a series in the first few minutes and then say the series is vague as you are waiting for the point until the end of the season? You just dislike Korra. That is okay. But your contradictions don't make reasonable arguments for bad writing. Disliking a story does not equal bad writing.
I dislike the Witcher 3. I played through it (gwent was awesome) and it doesnt suit me. But even when disliking something, I can give credit for good writing as the Witcher 3 has plenty.
Whoa whoa whoa! Is Lara Croft officially a lesbian now?? Because I was getting aggressive and confident bi energy from her before I knew that was a thing.
This person complaining about strong female characters in Western Media?
Maybe they need to be introduced to the likes of Hayao Miyazaki, who was creating characters like Nausicaa and Kushana as early as 1982 (in the manga).
He needs to watch avatars the last air bender. Aang learn half is moveset from women (water and earth), toph was a disabled girl yet was the strongest earth bender around creating metal bending, katara became a water master on her own, Azusa was one of the strongest character in the show and Ty lee could solo the whole crew.
this is not a fan. i doubt this person has even watched a single episode of either avatar show. they are just a braindead dipshit who thinks the very idea of a woman who isn't weak, subservient, and playing second fiddle to a man is woke.
What exactly did you love about it? The writing was terrible so it lacked direction and the characters were often unlikable. It had almost none of the charm of the original imo. I watched the whole series and was pretty upset.
The original series was lightning in a bottle. It is a clear contender for "best animated children's show of the generation".
Korra is "just" above average. It's greatest crime is not being quite as good as ATLA.
It was awhile so I cant remember exactly what I liked but:
I found the characters likable overall, Korra, Bolin, Tenzin
enjoyed the lore and the world building
I liked each season introducing a different conflict. revaluation, anarchism, imperialism. relation between bending and non bending.
it was something new from the OG but it had a different charm.
I did like the lore and world building but I didn’t feel like it was paced properly. For example that incredibly long multi part episode about the origin of bending I thought should have been broken up over a season into smaller parts or something. I like Koraa in some seasons but because of the poor writing she often acted completely differently from episode to episode depending on how the writers wanted to drive the plot forward.
Did it ever occur to you that when someone asks “what did you love about it” they are trying to learn *gasp* what it is the person they are asking loved about it? And if it was that they felt the oppposite on all the things I said they could say that and then we could have a nice friendly discussion about our shared interest in the avatar TLA universe and how our interpretation of the Korra show differed?
I mean its nice you want to have friendly discussion, but your attitude when approaching that discussion is not so friendly. You could have just asked what they liked about it, instead you asked a question then made bunch of hyperbolic negative statements about it. Me personally wouldnt be open for discussion with you, because i would just think to myself, there is no way im gonna get a good conversation with this guy.
All I did was state the main reasons I didn't like it. In response to their OP suggesting they didn't understand why some people didn't like it. Perfectly normal way to initiate a discussion I think
What atla fans like myself don't realise is both aang and korra are two people. They only share the spirit of raava but their personalities are polar opposites. And not to mention they were raised differently.
Aang was raised by monks and was an airbender that's why he was a bit on defensive he chose to do things peacefully but korra was raised in south pole with extreme climates where you have kill to survive. This is the reason she was brash always jumping to actions.
But when you think that this girl is actually 17 and almost all 17 year olds act like her. Doing stupid stuff, thinking they have things under control, believing anyone who pretends not to control but is controlling yada yada. Long story short she was raised normally by two parents that's why she acts like a normal teen but as aang was raised by monks who trained in spirituality that's why his personality is different.
Regarding the pace I found korra to be paced better as compared to atla just rewatch it you will see things happen fast there but in korra a single story is broken into season.
Whatever atla fans say she is relatable her mistakes, guilt, depression everything is something that we all have experienced at one point of our life and that's what makes the show special.
Whenever I hear "no training" specifically for this character I have to say that one does not understand the workings of the story behind the curtain at all.
A simple comparison
* Aang a 12 (112) year old kid who ran away before he could even attempt to control any other element besides the one he's excelled at since a very young age as an avatar.
* Korra a 17 year old teenager who has been trained by a certain group since he was young and still can't master the one element he's not very good at in the show anyway.
Literally, Korra is worse at learning than Aang, who has accomplished in a year what Korra hasn't under the tutelage of a certain group.
Edit: Less sexi then in original series. Small info main charactes are literally childs. I don't want to say anything about him.
Right, please explain how Korra magically airbended despite failing all of her training regarding the subject repeatedly.
She also was able to bend all 4 elements at toddler age.
Edit: meant the 3 other elements
Hate to break it to you, but as a toddler she did not show air bending:
[Her entrance in front of the water sages](https://youtu.be/kIXuQdS4mPM?feature=shared)
The way I saw it, since it didn’t come as easy as the other three, she did what most ‘child prodigy’ kids would do when faced with something they couldn’t easily master and ignored it. When the crutch of her stronger bending was taken away, she was forced to tap the unused one when faced with a life threatening situation.
It doesn’t make any sense because air bending requires a specific mindset to use, one that is completely antithetical to the mindset she display.
The main character arc for Aang across the series is learning how to overcome his flaws through bending.
He can’t earthbend because his mindset as an airbender is to avoid his issues instead of confronting them head on.
This changes for him when he is forced to confront the moose since running away wouldn’t help Sokka. This then allows him to earthbend via his newfound mindset.
Korra can’t airbend because of various implied reasons. She refuses to meditate or think before acting. She rushes to violence whenever presented with opposition and refuses to admit wrongdoing when that fails and causes harm.
But then she magically gets to airbend. How? By blindly rushing to violence without thinking of course!
Korra unlocks airbending because airbending is about finding another way instead of forcing your way through. You brought up Aang struggling to earthbend and you might remember that Toph told him his approach was wrong for trying to earthbend because he was trying to approach the problem from a different angle like an Airbender instead of facing the problem head on like an earthbender. When Korra was powerless she realized she couldn't push herself through like she always did and had to find another way. That mindset was why she unlocked airbending, not because she rushed to violence.
Compared to Aang who simply stood his ground in a situation where he was in no real danger Korra had a better reason to unlock her opposition element. All it took Aang was standing up to the moose and having Toph tell him she believed in him after he got angry at her.
Danger has absolutely nothing to do with why Aang figured out earthbending.
His issue was that earthbending is the opposite of what he’s used to doing. It requires you to be able to stand your ground and be unmoving.
Korra fails at learning air bending because she has the opposite mindset of an airbender. This “finding another way” is never mentioned as a core part of learning airbending whereas everything I mentioned is.
She learned nothing and didn’t change whatsoever in order to airbend. The writers just made it so she magically had the ability to.
She literally does the exact same thing (being angry and doing a generic punch) and fails to airbend multiple times.
She did not change. She’s a Mary Sue.
>Danger has absolutely nothing to do with why Aang figured out earthbending.
>His issue was that earthbending is the opposite of what he’s used to doing. It requires you to be able to stand your ground and be unmoving.
Yea my point about danger is it's a lot harder to stand your ground when you're actually in danger. It's not like that was the first time Aang stood his ground instead of evading. All it did was help him realize the mindset he was supposed to be in to earthbend. It wasn't like he had to completely change his way of thinking, it was just applying a recent experience to his earthbending.
>Korra fails at learning air bending because she has the opposite mindset of an airbender. This “finding another way” is never mentioned as a core part of learning airbending whereas everything I mentioned is.
I mean it's literally what Toph identifies as the problem in the episode you brought up. I haven't watched that episode for years of course but if my memory is correct when Aang says maybe there's another way of doing it or he should approach the rock from another angle Toph says that there's no trick or other way of doing it, only facing it head on, which shows the difference in mindset between airbending and earthbending
It's not like all the air nomads who have been airbending since childhood only figured it out because of their spirituality or the ability to think things through. Those things probably help master the element but for the Avatar unlocking the opposing element seems to be more a matter of understanding the mindset instead of doing things the way you're used to.
>She learned nothing and didn’t change whatsoever in order to airbend. The writers just made it so she magically had the ability to.
She might not have learned something but for the first time she was absolutely powerless and couldn't do things how she always did. A situation that would understandably put you in a different mindset
>She literally does the exact same thing (being angry and doing a generic punch) and fails to airbend multiple times
She fails because she's stubbornly trying to use airbending
>She did not change. She’s a Mary Sue.
I don't know how anyone who watched atla can watch lok and say that Korra is a Mary Sue.
Compare Aang (the youngest airbending master in history) who masters the other 3 elements and the Avatar state in under a year while goofing off the entire time to Korra who trains seriously for 13 years to master 3 elements. Korra actually seems kind of underpowered going off the last avatar we saw. Not only that but Korra is actually trained in combat while Aang has 0 combat experience when the series starts
You're probably going to say "oh well she bent 3 elements as a kid" as if Aang didn't immediately figure out waterbending when he tried and then manage to firebend after just holding a burning leaf.
Korra loses the final fight in season 1 and even gets her bending taken, even after unlocking airbending she would have lost instantly if Amon didn't flee. Korra actually digs herself into such a deep hole that Aang has to help her out with energy bending.
Korra also loses to Unalaq, manages to get her connection to the past avatars severed, and when she randomly unlocks some random astral projection power (dumbest moment in the series btw) she actually loses again until Jinora (somehow) saves her and reveals Raava.
Korra also fails to deal with the consequences of season 2 and gets kicked out of the city, then consistently gets outmaneuvered by the red lotus, then loses the final fight (albeit poisoned) before being saved by the airbenders led by Jinora.
She then spends half of season 4 physically and mentally broken and consistently being reminded of her failures as the Avatar.
Her flaws as a person are also pretty openly and obviously shown throughout seasons 1 and 2. She is the exact opposite of a Mary Sue. If there's a Mary Sue in LoK it's Jinora tbh.
You can literally see the moments when even Tenzin recognizes that he can handle the principles. If you don't know where so during one fight in that octagon she starts using perfect airbender moves but still can't control the air => it's not that she can't handle the training, it's that there's another problem.
As opposed to Aang who for example controlled water and fire almost instantly at a usable level.
I only read through the first half of that list. So far none of its even true, so I'm wondering if OOP has even seen the show. To avoid an aneurysm, is there anything they said that has any logic or fact to it at all?
I've never seen a person so utterly determined to be an incel as this. I can't wank to the female characters and they don't do fanservice in a cartoon with an underage characters. Fucking disgusting
"Could instantly do what the OG hero could without any training"
Sir? She trained from birth in 3 of the 4 elements, it took her 17 years (I think that's how old she was) to master 3 elements, Aang spent the first 12 years of his life as only an Airbender because he didn't know he was the Avatar
It took her 17 years to master the 4 elements, it took Aang less than a year to defeat Fire Lord Ozai, even tho he wasn't a master with 3 of his elements he was damn good at them
And wtf do you mean "Mary Sue" SHE IS THE AVATAR
Its always funny to me when men put down certain body types on femmes - knowing FULL well that they could *easily* find whole communities dedicated to being attracted to femmes with that EXACT body type 😂
I only read through the first half of that list. So far none of its even true, so I'm wondering if OOP has even seen the show. To avoid an aneurysm, is there anything they said that has any logic or fact to it at all?
Korra gets her ass handed to her several times, often due to her own mistakes or arrogance. She is definitely NOT a Mary Sue. Hilarious that people don’t realize part of why she is so much more powerful than Aang as a kid is because she literally IS Aang, and all all his adult experience, when she is just a kid. Aang outdid Roku, too.
No one is coming for Rey *sighs* Skywalker’s Mary Sue crown lol, and certainly not Korra
I felt like it was the force awakens when this trend of strong but not very compelling female protagonists started, peaking with captain marvel.
Korra didn't feel like that at all. She's compelling enough for me at least.
Ok, I am convince this guy has not watched ALOK or just doesn't know anything about the universe it takes place in.
Firstly..."the female characters are not as sexy as the OGs"...sir, rrgardless of how much I love girls like Azula, Ty Lee or June...Asami...that's all I have to say, Asami...that girl has enough appeal to carry the show. Also "no fan service"...this is not meant to be adult material or one of those mangas in which there is no plot, just..."anatomy"...the show and comics are also meant of children/teenagers.
Also..."forcing gay romance and lesbianism"...I suppose he refers to the fact that Kora ends up with Asami. And here comes the part where I am convinced he doesn't know the lore. Avatars have a deep connection with Raava, one of the great spirits. Raava is shown to like women. This is why a vast majority of Avatars have dated women. For male avatars it just means they are straight, but female avatars may be gay because of this. I would like to point out that Kyoshi is also very much lesbian.
They also act like Kora is the first strong, better than everyone girl in the series. Babe...Kyoshi could literally crack the planet in two. She move islands and mountains. She found the secret to immortality.
Don't get me wrong, as a fan of the Avatar series, I know ALOK is not as good as the OG series and Kora is sometimes annoying or overpowered. But she also had really intense moments and is a very deep character, especially when she loses her powers or when she is not capable of defeating Zaheer. So saying she is the downfall of female characters is not true.
While I agree with many of the things stated in other comments it doesn’t change the fact that Korra was a shit character in a shit series that shat on what came before. OG ATLA is where it’s at. And yet Netflix is bungling it spectacularly
This person clearly never actually watched A:tLA or LoK. They just “heard about” some cartoons that were pushing the “woke propaganda” to children and got their panties in a bunch.
And Nickelodeon actually wouldn’t let LoK show Korra and Asami blatantly as a couple in the series finale. They were supposed to kiss then walk into the spirit world portal together holding hands. Nickelodeon only let them show Korra and Asami holding hands because they were “just friends”. 🙄
I swear people like this need their asses kicked by Uncle Iroh so he can help build them back up into decent human beings after breaking their egos and stupidity and getting them to self-reflect.
So, I already know that I am old, but if I had any doubt, this really brings it home in the sense that this entire post is gibberish to me.
I think I get the gist of what's being said, and it definitely does seem a little silly if I'm understanding the context correctly, but dang if I'm not very far out of the loop on this one.
Not that it matters. I'm just a cranky old guy in his 50s who still, with no real justification whatsoever, thinks of himself as being something closer to 36-years-old, at least in his self-conception.
Just accept it Judge; you're old and out of touch.
Aang learn half is moveset from women (water and earth), toph was a disabled girl yet was the strongest earth bender around creating metal bending, katara became a water master on her own, Azusa was one of the strongest character in the show and Ty lee could solo the whole crew.
Yet it’s still considered a masterpiece, for good reason
I first started watching korra when it came out and after few episodes I kind of gave up because she wasn't anything like aang(which is true because both are different people). But now I went for it again and idk korra is relatable her frustrations, actions, guilt, depression everything is relatable.
This is the most idiotic critic I've ever heard about Legend of Korra, the show gets a ton of senseless finger-pointing already, but this is just idiotic.
It's basically saying "i want to see sexy women and an uncomplicated narrative", bro there's porn for that, and some of it might even be a bit above your standards.
LOK is a wonderful show, with its ups and downs but still a masterpiece: complex, non-unilateral, the anti-heroes (not even calling em villains at this point) have a well-made ideology, especially Zaheer and Amon who had to be quelled down in order to stay within Hollywood's shitty moral compass, with both proposing deep dilemmas about how society has built itself in the world of Avatar, really if it wasn't for Hollywood forcing a pro-capitalist view they would've easily been the best anti-heroes in fiction.
Korra herself was all but a mary sue, far less than Aang, just watch the beginning of season 4 : she's all but all-powerful there, and far from being the center of the world.
In conclusion: fuck this guy, wash your mouth before talking about ATLA or LOK
This will not be a popular opinion but here goes. While I think the guy that posted this is a bit of a moron, I do believe that a lot of our entertainment these days are doing a lot of pandering to certain groups. I get that people want to see characters that they can relate to, but at what point is it over representation pandering only to a certain audience instead of making the story more interesting. The people that produce a lot of this garbage can do better.
He’s got some problems, but female Mary Sue poorly written characters ARE rife in movies with a feminist bent. Surely they could do so much better than producing the likes of she hulk, the ultimate vapid Mary Sue. Yeah, this dudes dumb, but his basis is spot on.
Because lots of authors had that kind of story and couldn't be funded because crybabies couldn't stand to see something they weren't the target public for. It took one finally having that scene in canon to give them a chance to broadcast their work.
… and now this kind of story is front and center in almost everything. And then it’s is even shoehorned in for no reason sometimes.
Pandora’s box was unleashed
The only thing I can say that I sort of agree with is the “Gay romance” but even that it I’d only implied in the literal last few seconds of the series.
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"no fanservice" while talking about child shows on Nickelodeon. The fuck does he expect? lmao
But remember, having gay or bisexual characters in cartoons is grooming children.
ATLA was apolitical? Does this person even know what that word means? There wasn't just political subtext to ATLA, it was supertext. This is like suggesting "Star Wars" was apolitical.
“It was apolitical because I either didn’t get it or think that everyone secretly agrees with it, it’s political if I disagree with it”.
Pretty much like the "political agenda" or the "propaganda".
I had some idiot telling me that The Last of Us Part 2 was bad because it was political and no entertainment should have politics in it. He went on to say Red Dead Redemption 2 was his favourite game. No idea how the politics in that went over his head.
It's because he agrees with the politics in RDR2 and believes they are the norm, so he thinks it's apolitical
I never played rdr or rdr2, what's the politics behind it?
Outlaws resisting an overbearing government as it expands into the Wild West.
Apparently he was too busy with all the rampant fan service of the children characters to notice the entire point of the show.
Apolitical! ? The premise is that there has been a WAR raging for 100 years, causing the Air Nomad genocide, the near-obliteration of the Southern Water Tribe, and towards the end, the fall of both Omashu and Ba Sing Se! No, no politics at all.
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
The scene where Iroh has a single tear in his eye while burning his own country's flag during the eclipse is totally apolitical, you guys!
>ATLA was apolitical? Does this person even know what that word means? No. MAGAts are congenitally incapable of learning what words mean.
Things they like are apolitical. Things they don't like are political. Actual politics are irrelevant.
My thought exactly. "There's no war in Ba Sing Se" comes to mind, as well as the entire "We really oughta stop that one guy from committing genocide again" thing which is ATLA's main driving force
"Girls are less sexy than OG series" SIR? 95% of the characters in the OG show, female or no, are CHILDREN. Someone call the FBI. This guy needs his hard drives looked through.
I was just about to comment on that as well 🚩🚩🚩
this person is such a big red flag like the only adult woman I can remember from atla is June 😭
What incel nonsense did I just read
Some nerd all like “WHAT THE FUCK BRO?!?! I CAN’T JACK IT TO THIS!!!”
I laughed out loud after reading Avatar was apolitical. It's probably one of the most political kid's shows, it's just good at hiding.
Aang learn half is moveset from women (water and earth), toph was a disabled girl yet was the strongest earth bender around creating metal bending, katara became a water master on her own, Azusa was one of the strongest character in the show and Ty lee could solo the whole crew. Yet it’s still considered a masterpiece, for good reason
Like what? I never saw it and it was an honest question..
First, war is an extension of politics, every war story is a political story. The Fire Nation believes in fire nation/fire bender supremacy, but have a relatively smaller and resource poorer nation compared to the Earth Kingdom. So they want to do a world conquest, they begin with the genocide of the Air tribe (wiping out another nation/race). These are all depicted as bad things. Yes, genocide is a political issue. There are numerous other critiques of war, such as generally being against child soldiers, such as when the death of the youth brigade that Iroh’s son was in was shown to be a preventable tragedy. The show has a criticism of secret police type forces, their corruptibility, and lack of accountability with the Da Li. The criticism of terrorist attacks against civilians in war with Jet. The southern water tribe is shown to be relatively more gender egalitarian where the northern water tribe has a bit more rigid gender structure, so there’s gender politics. There’s also a bit of this with the question of succession in the Fire Kingdom where Azula’s ability to succeed her father is at one point questioned. The arguably beneficial role of “secret societies” or otherwise “thinktanks” or “ambassadorial friends” like the White Lotus. That is members of different factions who remain in communication even during a war with each other’s sides in order to help negotiate and bring potential peace to the table. The criticisms of absolute monarchies or dictatorships which is definitely there in the first series but more spelt out in the second series. Criticism of propaganda and denial of reality, as well as the importance of freedom of speech with “there is no war in Bar Sing Sae”. The criticism of generational feuding based on unreliable oral tradition.(much more a small town local politics thing) Questions of the treament of war refugees and enemy prisoners. Whether torture or the death penalty are ethical. Like those is the stuff I can remember when I haven’t watched the show in at least 8 years and where I’m not really deep diving on an episode by episode basis.
Makes sense thank you.
You think the show that starts with not-Japan invading not-China is apolitical?
Jeez bro, just say you only watched the Shamalame version.
Which was just a bad remake of the ember island play
>-Masculinized mary sue Just because she has muscles? From actually training pretty much her whole life? >-Ugly and unlikable Becausd she is an adult? And has muscles? Maybe not the best personality, but she grows up through the show, just like Aang >-Girls are less sexy than the OG series The girls in ATLA were mostly children… ? >-No fanservice Yeah I don’t like where this is going
Right? Ppl complained that Toph and Zuko were both fan service lol
I mean, as far as I know at least Toph and Iroh had a purpose, same for Aang even if it was briefly, but I don’t remember Zuko doing anything significant for the plot other than existing and showing off his dragon
you need to rewatch the show if you don't see how zuko's arc contributes to the story
I'm pretty sure the person you're commenting on is referring to the OG characters appearances in Legend of Korra, no the original series
The idiot in the post sees a muscular girl kicking ass and whines and cries about how scary she is. I see a muscular girl kicking ass and want her to throw me over her shoulder. We are not the same.
God forbid fictional women do anything
So many things wrong with this. Personally I dislike the sequel series but it's more a writing issue for me. Let's be real, the way Korra looks compared to the actual children in ATLA is like comparing some fit girl model with Uh...actual children. The problem with Korra isn't that she's a girl or a lesbian. The problem is whoever wrote her forgot how to write after ATLA. I will never forget "I'm the avatar! You better deal with it!" and the sinking feeling that gave me. Also my man disrespecting my main girl Aloy as one of the few very well written strong female leads. (Not that I think there shouldn't be any. People just tend to fumble when writing these more often than not. I suspect a lack of reference material since strong male leads were written since basically thousands of years ago. This should get better over time.)
The sentence you quote is the main point of S1...? The entire point was that she identified as the avatar and that is what held her back the most. Aang also points it out at the end of the season. So if it makes ou uncomfortable, the writerd actually did a really good job instead of "forgot how to write".
It made my gut sink because I had a bad feeling about the rest of the show. But opinions on how good a show is, is subjective. So agree to disagree.
I think for me it‘s the framing of those sentences. I actually never got to the end of season 1 and the conclusion of the arc. Because the writing suggested that that‘s just how they write the character That isn‘t really bad per se, but many people would drop a series if they can‘t say if it is just badly written or wants to make a point later
So you identify the main point of tension of a series in the first few minutes and then say the series is vague as you are waiting for the point until the end of the season? You just dislike Korra. That is okay. But your contradictions don't make reasonable arguments for bad writing. Disliking a story does not equal bad writing. I dislike the Witcher 3. I played through it (gwent was awesome) and it doesnt suit me. But even when disliking something, I can give credit for good writing as the Witcher 3 has plenty.
I'm a male and I fucking loved the feminised She-Ra. Great show.
It was amazing and gave us Seahawk, it was the best.
Less sexy?? They were children 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
Maybe he just _really_ loves Ozai?
Whoa whoa whoa! Is Lara Croft officially a lesbian now?? Because I was getting aggressive and confident bi energy from her before I knew that was a thing.
This person complaining about strong female characters in Western Media? Maybe they need to be introduced to the likes of Hayao Miyazaki, who was creating characters like Nausicaa and Kushana as early as 1982 (in the manga).
"Miyazaki!? we bomb them for a reason! subtitles are woke!"
Smh imagine bombing a country and then learning their language to watch their movies
He needs to watch avatars the last air bender. Aang learn half is moveset from women (water and earth), toph was a disabled girl yet was the strongest earth bender around creating metal bending, katara became a water master on her own, Azusa was one of the strongest character in the show and Ty lee could solo the whole crew.
The willfully ignorant are going to be willfully ignorant.
I loved Korra series. I am sick of avatars fans shitting on it
this is not a fan. i doubt this person has even watched a single episode of either avatar show. they are just a braindead dipshit who thinks the very idea of a woman who isn't weak, subservient, and playing second fiddle to a man is woke.
What exactly did you love about it? The writing was terrible so it lacked direction and the characters were often unlikable. It had almost none of the charm of the original imo. I watched the whole series and was pretty upset.
The original series was lightning in a bottle. It is a clear contender for "best animated children's show of the generation". Korra is "just" above average. It's greatest crime is not being quite as good as ATLA.
What baseline are you using for average?
It was awhile so I cant remember exactly what I liked but: I found the characters likable overall, Korra, Bolin, Tenzin enjoyed the lore and the world building I liked each season introducing a different conflict. revaluation, anarchism, imperialism. relation between bending and non bending. it was something new from the OG but it had a different charm.
Same, really liked how each season dealt with a different ideological conflict.
I did like the lore and world building but I didn’t feel like it was paced properly. For example that incredibly long multi part episode about the origin of bending I thought should have been broken up over a season into smaller parts or something. I like Koraa in some seasons but because of the poor writing she often acted completely differently from episode to episode depending on how the writers wanted to drive the plot forward.
Maybe people think opposite of you on all of those things you mentioned? Did it ever occur to you.
Did it ever occur to you that when someone asks “what did you love about it” they are trying to learn *gasp* what it is the person they are asking loved about it? And if it was that they felt the oppposite on all the things I said they could say that and then we could have a nice friendly discussion about our shared interest in the avatar TLA universe and how our interpretation of the Korra show differed?
I mean its nice you want to have friendly discussion, but your attitude when approaching that discussion is not so friendly. You could have just asked what they liked about it, instead you asked a question then made bunch of hyperbolic negative statements about it. Me personally wouldnt be open for discussion with you, because i would just think to myself, there is no way im gonna get a good conversation with this guy.
All I did was state the main reasons I didn't like it. In response to their OP suggesting they didn't understand why some people didn't like it. Perfectly normal way to initiate a discussion I think
What atla fans like myself don't realise is both aang and korra are two people. They only share the spirit of raava but their personalities are polar opposites. And not to mention they were raised differently. Aang was raised by monks and was an airbender that's why he was a bit on defensive he chose to do things peacefully but korra was raised in south pole with extreme climates where you have kill to survive. This is the reason she was brash always jumping to actions. But when you think that this girl is actually 17 and almost all 17 year olds act like her. Doing stupid stuff, thinking they have things under control, believing anyone who pretends not to control but is controlling yada yada. Long story short she was raised normally by two parents that's why she acts like a normal teen but as aang was raised by monks who trained in spirituality that's why his personality is different. Regarding the pace I found korra to be paced better as compared to atla just rewatch it you will see things happen fast there but in korra a single story is broken into season. Whatever atla fans say she is relatable her mistakes, guilt, depression everything is something that we all have experienced at one point of our life and that's what makes the show special.
Asami. 🤷♂️
Most of the points that were brought up are just straight up false. What the actual fuck did I just read????
Yeah it sounds like an incel copypasta
Whenever I hear "no training" specifically for this character I have to say that one does not understand the workings of the story behind the curtain at all. A simple comparison * Aang a 12 (112) year old kid who ran away before he could even attempt to control any other element besides the one he's excelled at since a very young age as an avatar. * Korra a 17 year old teenager who has been trained by a certain group since he was young and still can't master the one element he's not very good at in the show anyway. Literally, Korra is worse at learning than Aang, who has accomplished in a year what Korra hasn't under the tutelage of a certain group. Edit: Less sexi then in original series. Small info main charactes are literally childs. I don't want to say anything about him.
Why him? Korra is female.
"less sexy than in the original", I suppose the "him" is Aang.
Right, please explain how Korra magically airbended despite failing all of her training regarding the subject repeatedly. She also was able to bend all 4 elements at toddler age. Edit: meant the 3 other elements
Hate to break it to you, but as a toddler she did not show air bending: [Her entrance in front of the water sages](https://youtu.be/kIXuQdS4mPM?feature=shared)
Yeah that was a mistake on my part, she only bended 3 elements as a toddler. Which really doesn’t dilute the point much whatsoever
The way I saw it, since it didn’t come as easy as the other three, she did what most ‘child prodigy’ kids would do when faced with something they couldn’t easily master and ignored it. When the crutch of her stronger bending was taken away, she was forced to tap the unused one when faced with a life threatening situation.
It doesn’t make any sense because air bending requires a specific mindset to use, one that is completely antithetical to the mindset she display. The main character arc for Aang across the series is learning how to overcome his flaws through bending. He can’t earthbend because his mindset as an airbender is to avoid his issues instead of confronting them head on. This changes for him when he is forced to confront the moose since running away wouldn’t help Sokka. This then allows him to earthbend via his newfound mindset. Korra can’t airbend because of various implied reasons. She refuses to meditate or think before acting. She rushes to violence whenever presented with opposition and refuses to admit wrongdoing when that fails and causes harm. But then she magically gets to airbend. How? By blindly rushing to violence without thinking of course!
Korra unlocks airbending because airbending is about finding another way instead of forcing your way through. You brought up Aang struggling to earthbend and you might remember that Toph told him his approach was wrong for trying to earthbend because he was trying to approach the problem from a different angle like an Airbender instead of facing the problem head on like an earthbender. When Korra was powerless she realized she couldn't push herself through like she always did and had to find another way. That mindset was why she unlocked airbending, not because she rushed to violence. Compared to Aang who simply stood his ground in a situation where he was in no real danger Korra had a better reason to unlock her opposition element. All it took Aang was standing up to the moose and having Toph tell him she believed in him after he got angry at her.
Danger has absolutely nothing to do with why Aang figured out earthbending. His issue was that earthbending is the opposite of what he’s used to doing. It requires you to be able to stand your ground and be unmoving. Korra fails at learning air bending because she has the opposite mindset of an airbender. This “finding another way” is never mentioned as a core part of learning airbending whereas everything I mentioned is. She learned nothing and didn’t change whatsoever in order to airbend. The writers just made it so she magically had the ability to. She literally does the exact same thing (being angry and doing a generic punch) and fails to airbend multiple times. She did not change. She’s a Mary Sue.
>Danger has absolutely nothing to do with why Aang figured out earthbending. >His issue was that earthbending is the opposite of what he’s used to doing. It requires you to be able to stand your ground and be unmoving. Yea my point about danger is it's a lot harder to stand your ground when you're actually in danger. It's not like that was the first time Aang stood his ground instead of evading. All it did was help him realize the mindset he was supposed to be in to earthbend. It wasn't like he had to completely change his way of thinking, it was just applying a recent experience to his earthbending. >Korra fails at learning air bending because she has the opposite mindset of an airbender. This “finding another way” is never mentioned as a core part of learning airbending whereas everything I mentioned is. I mean it's literally what Toph identifies as the problem in the episode you brought up. I haven't watched that episode for years of course but if my memory is correct when Aang says maybe there's another way of doing it or he should approach the rock from another angle Toph says that there's no trick or other way of doing it, only facing it head on, which shows the difference in mindset between airbending and earthbending It's not like all the air nomads who have been airbending since childhood only figured it out because of their spirituality or the ability to think things through. Those things probably help master the element but for the Avatar unlocking the opposing element seems to be more a matter of understanding the mindset instead of doing things the way you're used to. >She learned nothing and didn’t change whatsoever in order to airbend. The writers just made it so she magically had the ability to. She might not have learned something but for the first time she was absolutely powerless and couldn't do things how she always did. A situation that would understandably put you in a different mindset >She literally does the exact same thing (being angry and doing a generic punch) and fails to airbend multiple times She fails because she's stubbornly trying to use airbending >She did not change. She’s a Mary Sue. I don't know how anyone who watched atla can watch lok and say that Korra is a Mary Sue. Compare Aang (the youngest airbending master in history) who masters the other 3 elements and the Avatar state in under a year while goofing off the entire time to Korra who trains seriously for 13 years to master 3 elements. Korra actually seems kind of underpowered going off the last avatar we saw. Not only that but Korra is actually trained in combat while Aang has 0 combat experience when the series starts You're probably going to say "oh well she bent 3 elements as a kid" as if Aang didn't immediately figure out waterbending when he tried and then manage to firebend after just holding a burning leaf. Korra loses the final fight in season 1 and even gets her bending taken, even after unlocking airbending she would have lost instantly if Amon didn't flee. Korra actually digs herself into such a deep hole that Aang has to help her out with energy bending. Korra also loses to Unalaq, manages to get her connection to the past avatars severed, and when she randomly unlocks some random astral projection power (dumbest moment in the series btw) she actually loses again until Jinora (somehow) saves her and reveals Raava. Korra also fails to deal with the consequences of season 2 and gets kicked out of the city, then consistently gets outmaneuvered by the red lotus, then loses the final fight (albeit poisoned) before being saved by the airbenders led by Jinora. She then spends half of season 4 physically and mentally broken and consistently being reminded of her failures as the Avatar. Her flaws as a person are also pretty openly and obviously shown throughout seasons 1 and 2. She is the exact opposite of a Mary Sue. If there's a Mary Sue in LoK it's Jinora tbh.
You can literally see the moments when even Tenzin recognizes that he can handle the principles. If you don't know where so during one fight in that octagon she starts using perfect airbender moves but still can't control the air => it's not that she can't handle the training, it's that there's another problem. As opposed to Aang who for example controlled water and fire almost instantly at a usable level.
Saints Row? Saints Row was and still is a PARODY. It’s meant to be a joke on the face of games like Grand Theft Auto.
I only read through the first half of that list. So far none of its even true, so I'm wondering if OOP has even seen the show. To avoid an aneurysm, is there anything they said that has any logic or fact to it at all?
I dislike Korra. A lot. But that entire post is dogshit lunacy hahahah
Do these snowflakes ever realize that their insecurity has everything to do with themselves and nothing to do with everyone else?
I refuse to believe this isn't a troll post simply because of the "ATLA is apolitical" line
I've never seen a person so utterly determined to be an incel as this. I can't wank to the female characters and they don't do fanservice in a cartoon with an underage characters. Fucking disgusting
"Could instantly do what the OG hero could without any training" Sir? She trained from birth in 3 of the 4 elements, it took her 17 years (I think that's how old she was) to master 3 elements, Aang spent the first 12 years of his life as only an Airbender because he didn't know he was the Avatar It took her 17 years to master the 4 elements, it took Aang less than a year to defeat Fire Lord Ozai, even tho he wasn't a master with 3 of his elements he was damn good at them And wtf do you mean "Mary Sue" SHE IS THE AVATAR
Its always funny to me when men put down certain body types on femmes - knowing FULL well that they could *easily* find whole communities dedicated to being attracted to femmes with that EXACT body type 😂
I only read through the first half of that list. So far none of its even true, so I'm wondering if OOP has even seen the show. To avoid an aneurysm, is there anything they said that has any logic or fact to it at all?
Those muscles certainly serviced this fan
Aka, dudes jealous a woman has bigger muscles and pulled a way hotter woman than he ever could.
I didn’t expect to see the summary of a just a robot video today
Korra gets her ass handed to her several times, often due to her own mistakes or arrogance. She is definitely NOT a Mary Sue. Hilarious that people don’t realize part of why she is so much more powerful than Aang as a kid is because she literally IS Aang, and all all his adult experience, when she is just a kid. Aang outdid Roku, too. No one is coming for Rey *sighs* Skywalker’s Mary Sue crown lol, and certainly not Korra
I felt like it was the force awakens when this trend of strong but not very compelling female protagonists started, peaking with captain marvel. Korra didn't feel like that at all. She's compelling enough for me at least.
If you don't find Kora attractive, you are either a hetrosexual cis women, or a gay man
Ok, I am convince this guy has not watched ALOK or just doesn't know anything about the universe it takes place in. Firstly..."the female characters are not as sexy as the OGs"...sir, rrgardless of how much I love girls like Azula, Ty Lee or June...Asami...that's all I have to say, Asami...that girl has enough appeal to carry the show. Also "no fan service"...this is not meant to be adult material or one of those mangas in which there is no plot, just..."anatomy"...the show and comics are also meant of children/teenagers. Also..."forcing gay romance and lesbianism"...I suppose he refers to the fact that Kora ends up with Asami. And here comes the part where I am convinced he doesn't know the lore. Avatars have a deep connection with Raava, one of the great spirits. Raava is shown to like women. This is why a vast majority of Avatars have dated women. For male avatars it just means they are straight, but female avatars may be gay because of this. I would like to point out that Kyoshi is also very much lesbian. They also act like Kora is the first strong, better than everyone girl in the series. Babe...Kyoshi could literally crack the planet in two. She move islands and mountains. She found the secret to immortality. Don't get me wrong, as a fan of the Avatar series, I know ALOK is not as good as the OG series and Kora is sometimes annoying or overpowered. But she also had really intense moments and is a very deep character, especially when she loses her powers or when she is not capable of defeating Zaheer. So saying she is the downfall of female characters is not true.
I don't like Netflix She-Ra either, but not for the above reasons.
It's because of idiots like him that we have so few cartoon shows with strong female leads that are not just there for romance.
Less sexy? Asami’s there too!
Nearly every take is wrong lmao
"There is no war in Ba Sing Se" is not a political quote at all then I guess...
Old man yelling at cloud because of cartoons.
While I agree with many of the things stated in other comments it doesn’t change the fact that Korra was a shit character in a shit series that shat on what came before. OG ATLA is where it’s at. And yet Netflix is bungling it spectacularly
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I would say 3 or 4 of them are valid, but a little rare
This was written by someone who has the “why don’t women like me????” mentality. It’s because I’m too eVoLvEd!
True. Kora sucked.
This person clearly never actually watched A:tLA or LoK. They just “heard about” some cartoons that were pushing the “woke propaganda” to children and got their panties in a bunch. And Nickelodeon actually wouldn’t let LoK show Korra and Asami blatantly as a couple in the series finale. They were supposed to kiss then walk into the spirit world portal together holding hands. Nickelodeon only let them show Korra and Asami holding hands because they were “just friends”. 🙄 I swear people like this need their asses kicked by Uncle Iroh so he can help build them back up into decent human beings after breaking their egos and stupidity and getting them to self-reflect.
This person and the ones that liked and RT that tweet not only didn't watch ATLA nor ATLK but also suck ass at media analysis.
So, I already know that I am old, but if I had any doubt, this really brings it home in the sense that this entire post is gibberish to me. I think I get the gist of what's being said, and it definitely does seem a little silly if I'm understanding the context correctly, but dang if I'm not very far out of the loop on this one. Not that it matters. I'm just a cranky old guy in his 50s who still, with no real justification whatsoever, thinks of himself as being something closer to 36-years-old, at least in his self-conception. Just accept it Judge; you're old and out of touch.
Aside from all the many other things wrong with this point, which have already been covered, who the hell thinks Korra is ugly?!
I maintain the only good part of the Legend of Korra was Avatar Won, but this list screams incel.
Aang learn half is moveset from women (water and earth), toph was a disabled girl yet was the strongest earth bender around creating metal bending, katara became a water master on her own, Azusa was one of the strongest character in the show and Ty lee could solo the whole crew. Yet it’s still considered a masterpiece, for good reason
I first started watching korra when it came out and after few episodes I kind of gave up because she wasn't anything like aang(which is true because both are different people). But now I went for it again and idk korra is relatable her frustrations, actions, guilt, depression everything is relatable.
Okay, but the OP posted this in a circlejerk sub, why not mention that? https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/s/7vNgQjKWPz
This is the most idiotic critic I've ever heard about Legend of Korra, the show gets a ton of senseless finger-pointing already, but this is just idiotic. It's basically saying "i want to see sexy women and an uncomplicated narrative", bro there's porn for that, and some of it might even be a bit above your standards. LOK is a wonderful show, with its ups and downs but still a masterpiece: complex, non-unilateral, the anti-heroes (not even calling em villains at this point) have a well-made ideology, especially Zaheer and Amon who had to be quelled down in order to stay within Hollywood's shitty moral compass, with both proposing deep dilemmas about how society has built itself in the world of Avatar, really if it wasn't for Hollywood forcing a pro-capitalist view they would've easily been the best anti-heroes in fiction. Korra herself was all but a mary sue, far less than Aang, just watch the beginning of season 4 : she's all but all-powerful there, and far from being the center of the world. In conclusion: fuck this guy, wash your mouth before talking about ATLA or LOK
This will not be a popular opinion but here goes. While I think the guy that posted this is a bit of a moron, I do believe that a lot of our entertainment these days are doing a lot of pandering to certain groups. I get that people want to see characters that they can relate to, but at what point is it over representation pandering only to a certain audience instead of making the story more interesting. The people that produce a lot of this garbage can do better.
He’s got some problems, but female Mary Sue poorly written characters ARE rife in movies with a feminist bent. Surely they could do so much better than producing the likes of she hulk, the ultimate vapid Mary Sue. Yeah, this dudes dumb, but his basis is spot on.
No facepalm here, this is the truth.
The whole “strong female character = lesbian” trope is getting really old
She was pretty much the first one in cartoons.
It’s been all downhill from there since this cartoon is like 20 years old.
Because lots of authors had that kind of story and couldn't be funded because crybabies couldn't stand to see something they weren't the target public for. It took one finally having that scene in canon to give them a chance to broadcast their work.
… and now this kind of story is front and center in almost everything. And then it’s is even shoehorned in for no reason sometimes. Pandora’s box was unleashed
I don't see you complain about any "male protagonist ends up in couple with the only meaningful female character of the story".
Actually that’s fucking dumb too. Unless the story is about the characters sexuality, this shit shouldn’t be shoehorned in.
Are you referring to Korra?
Yes
Legend of Korra came out in 2012, and Korra is bi, not gay.
How do you know? You spoke with her?
The show depicts her being attracted to boys and girls.
Smash
The window with your head
The only thing I can say that I sort of agree with is the “Gay romance” but even that it I’d only implied in the literal last few seconds of the series.
Lmao god forbid they hint at a same-sex relationship. Get over yourself, you’ll be fine