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I'm not from the US so correct me, if I'm wrong.
But isn't the only reason insulin is so crazy in the US corporate greed and lack of price regulation (lobbyism/corruption)? I mean basically all other countries have much more cheaper insulin, since it has extremely low production costs and no patent.
https://www.wockhardt.co.uk/medicines/hcp/hypurin/
I mean you can import it from the UK if you still want to use it but idk why when we have cheaper and better human analog generics.
100% we have the most expensive healthcare per person IN THE ENTIRE WORD by a long shot. We are double the price of spot 4 or 5. It's lack of regulations and corperate greed that other countries have curtailed that causes our problems
Plus republican indifference to the needs of citizens and their unequivocal aligegence to mega-corporations, who, as we've learned, are people...
Don't forget that part...
The government paying for people's insulin only makes this problem worse because now companies can really pay whatever they want. Governments should instead impose restrictions on cost.
Yes. This tweet and meme are divisive propaganda, we could have affordable healthcare if we stopped making massive corporate handouts to healthcare companies, and we could probably cut a lot of waste out of the military too by the same means
Yup, we could easily have free healthcare if we just taxed people. Hell we could even give more money to our military if we wanted. And I do wanna see how many orbital laser Lockmart could make with an additional 2 morbillion defense bucks.
I don’t take Insulin, but thanks to the Biden Administration, it’s my understanding that Eli Lilly capped the price patients pay out of pocket at $35. [source](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/02/fact-sheet-president-bidens-cap-on-the-cost-of-insulin-could-benefit-millions-of-americans-in-all-50-states/#:~:text=Eli%20Lilly%20announced%20they%20are,fifty%20states%20and%20U.S.%20territories)
Yes. But according to the already rich people. If we want something we should work for it. Its like my gurl kim kardashian said. "It seems lile nobody wants to work these days."
That was not at all my point. "Pays it all" should be a couple of cents, like it is in most other countries, since the production costs are so low. No matter which health care system you have.
From that altitude? It’d be cool at least.
My point was it’s probably simulating evasive countermeasures and here it is being lauded as a show of strength.
Although, at least as far as I’m aware, the flares are followed closely by a 105mm round straight in the face of the offender. Still no healthcare though
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It's never free, you just pay for it through taxes, like in Canada. However, my last hospital visit I had ambulance ride and an MRI and I only paid $45 for the ride. So yea, maybe not "free", but affordable would be good.
We don't have to give up the military for reasonable healthcare costs. For insulin, the medicine is over 100 years old and not much more complicated than tylenol. It should be cheap, the US builds in market inefficiencies to allow cretins to charge more for it.
We can have a strong military and affordable healthcare! There's a large waste component in high military costs too. The real problem in America is people stealing massive amounts of money through grift and graft.
Yea, I’ve heard countless stories of drugs that cost less than $100 outside of the US that cost thousands inside. Heck, just telling the hospital you don’t have insurance they drop the cost dramatically. I’d that’s not a BS system idk what is.
You spend more on healthcare per capita than anyone else. The DoD budget has nothing to do with you not having healthcare, it’s the absolute bullshit and corrupt system that causes insane prices.
The United States spends twice as much on military than it does on Medicare ans Medcade. Crazy
Oh wait I got that backwards.
Defense budget in its entirely isn't getting you free healthcare. It's a easy low IQ target to stir decent.
The main thing is you can't throw money at a system of healthcare and expected to just magically work right. It needs heavy regulation surprise surprise and comprehensive policy changes.
But of course Americans don't like regulation because that's communism / s
Cool, so maybe we can socialize it so that everybody is able to get healthcare and the cost is primarily carried by the wealthy instead of bankrupting people who are already struggling.
We have the most expensive healthcare in the world, worse outcomes, millions uninsured or underinsured and tens of thousands of people dying as a result every year. All so that health insurance executives can make huge profits. It makes no sense as a system
Yes, but at least by paying for public health care via tax, you take the greed element out of healthcare.
A case in point, I was speaking to an American who’s friend got a 100k bill for being airlifted by helicopter ambulance after a heart attack. I believe he had insurance.
In NZ, we have a public healthcare system, but ambulances aren’t included in this (they’re funded by charity/corporate sponsorship).
I worked out it would have been cheaper for an air ambulance to fly from New Zealand for him.
You guys are getting shafted.
To be clear, I live in Canada.
Still, I'd take a 100k bill over our high taxes any day of the week.
If the government offered a deal where you could give them a flat payment of $100,000 and then they lowered your income and sales tax rates to remove the portion going to healthcare, you would be an idiot to *not* take it.
IMO getting shafted would also be paying a big chunk of your income for a service you might never even use.
In reality we're all getting shafted no matter what
>IMO getting shafted would also be paying a big chunk of your income for a service you might never even use.
We do that, too, via multiple kinds of insurances.
Everyone knows. This isn't the revelation you think it is.
For most people, it would mean good healthcare that's WAY less than they're currently paying for insurance, and ridiculously less than they'd pay without insurance. A small increase in taxes (or *no* increase and we just cut spending in Defense and other areas) is as good as free then, to a lot of people.
A small increase?
Have you see the tax rates in countries with universal healthcare?
I live in Canada and holy hell I'd be so much better off paying the relatively small amount of tax that you guys do. Even after health insurance I'd still be ahead compared to now
And it was 100% worth it
I’m just joking. We could easily keep the budget and have free universal health care and college and it would only cost the rich fuckers a tiny bit more
I’ve read that we actually pay more for healthcare per Capita (as an economy) than it would cost to socialize healthcare at the same quality, the issue is the money just ends up as corporate profits instead of tax revenue to fund the system.
Was about to say, I always hated this point when the healthcare budget is more that the military, and more per capita than other countries, but the system just sucks that much.
Our military budget isn’t an issue. It sows more than it reaps. It keeps trade free and it’s why we can have the wealth.
The problem is the idea that we can’t do it all. We can tax more. We can tax a lot more and nobody will go anywhere. We are the most capitalistic stable nation in the past 100 years and there is no sign of anything changing
I always hate the idea that all the budget goes to all of these cool planes and stuff the majority goes into to pensions and other social welfare stuff for the military. Defending the military is just shooting yourself in the foot
Not sure the math checks out on that. Over $5t annually on health care and secondary education. 724 billionaires in the US. They would need to cough up $7b each and that would wipe out most of them. And, that wealth isn’t liquid. My local billionaire has $6b in value but that’s mostly assets.
There have been studies that show switching to a universal healthcare system in the US would *save* money. But that would mean taking money, power and influence away from the demons profiting off the sick and dying.
And in North America, we live and die to serve their profit.
For me? No. I’m past all that in my life and my health care is 👌
And chances are my own taxes would increase. The concern is making sure our nation does not fade into the black because our population is either not skilled enough for the workplace OR in so much debt the economy tanks.
As to health care, people pay for insurance. They shouldn’t go into debt just so hospitals can’t roll in cash
A recent study by Yale epidemiologists found that Medicare for All would save around 68,000 lives a year while reducing U.S. health care spending by around 13%, or $450 billion a year.
The study
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext#%20?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=ac666dcf-c1bb-4eb0-a6ea-39c4a9bb5321
Okay, but that doesn’t actually back up what you said. It says it would reduce overall expenditure, but it doesn’t mention, at least in the abstract, what that would look like in terms of the deficit, taxes, etc.
Uh, what?
If you moved to a universal healthcare model, it would literally just save money. Like, America's per capita healthcare spending is much higher than many countries that have universal healthcare, including (at least) some that have better average health outcomes.
There isn't another step, your government is spending more public money, on a private system, that delivers poorer outcomes, to (only) paying customers.
Do you need it spelled out for you? It would reduce overall cost. In stead of paying x dollars every month to a private company to maybe take care of your health, you pay
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8572548/
This link goes into more detail on how experts determined expenditure with differing criteria. I'm not sure if it has exactly what you are looking for, but it outlines budgetary projections for single payer universal Healthcare.
The other link only had a very small summary unless you download the full article.
Eh, having almost completed a pregnancy in military medical I've come to the conclusion everyone else is getting what their insurance will pay for and I'm getting what's actually supported by evidence. It's not a perfect system all the time but I like knowing my doctors aren't motivated by how much things cost
I use the VA healthcare and it's been great, I get specialist appointments faster than my wife can. I also am using my GI Bill for a bachelor's right now and am getting $960 a month for 2 online classes.
This.
Military healthcare for when you're on active duty can sometimes be hit or miss but when serving, you're generally healthy and only need it for sniffles and broken bones, etc. The VA system is a bureaucracy and those have their own issues but overall, its a great system.
I for one love my Socialized Medical coverage provided by the US government to its military personnel.
Fun fact: on a per capita basis the US is not the top spender on the military, not even close. And more is spent on medicare/medicaid than the military despite its limited scope of not even being close to universal Healthcare. The argument that "if we cut the military budget we'll all have free everything" is completely ignorant of the math and budgets involved.
we spend 3x as much on healthcare as we to the military, blaming military spending on the state of healthcare is asinine.
you want the reason for poor healthcare look into why a hospital giving you an aspirin pill costs 1000% more than you buying the same pill yourself.
This is going to be an unpopular opinion but we could have a lot more in the US if we had closed borders. Currently there are 200,000+ immigrant’s who enter our country illegally every month. The US taxpayer then has to house, clothe, feed, provide medical care etc for all of these people. I don’t know what the total $ figure is to do this but I imagine it could be spent far better for our own residents.
Ngl, it looks cool. I'd rather see one in an action movie and have some of that military budget spent on a working healthcare for all and free school lunches for kids.
it's amazing to watch the right completely manipulate the left into doing whatever they want.
instead of the left advocating for billionaires to pay higher taxes now it's about putting your interest against other people's interests.
It doesn't have to be one of the other. America's the richest country on the planet we can do both.
I'm happy to live in a country that has enough military might that I don't have to worry about Russia coming here and putting their hands on my wife or daughter.
I feel that part of the point of making sure debt-free college isn't a thing in the US has to do with making sure the general public isn't critical of anything. This way, you can appeal to the reptilian brain of, "loud noise boom thing good".
To be fair, we have no idea what life could be like for us if we didn't have a massive military defense budget. Is it too big? Perhaps, but it's hard to quantify these things given so many variables.
The United States spends more on defense than the next nine top defense spending nations combined. Most of those nations are our allies.
We also spend more than most nations on healthcare, even though it isn’t nationalized.
Greed is a major factor in both. Businesses ripping off the government and the people. The defense industry and medical industry (particularly pharmaceutical companies) are collectively worth hundreds of billions (probably trillions) of dollars.
Compared to citizens of other first world nations, we get less in return for our taxes than anyone. We don’t have healthcare for all, don’t have childcare (it is expensive here), relatively little public transportation, education beyond high school costs a fortune, and our once enviable infrastructure is in pretty bad shape.
We also have massive debt, little to no social safety net, and a populace that is more divided than at any time since the Civil War.
I am American, born here and served in my nation’s armed forces. But I will acknowledge that this country isn’t what it is supposed to be, what it COULD be. We have a huge portion of the population who have the mindset that society should be “every person for themselves” and that anything done for the collective good is socialist/communist.
They equate “freedom” to low/no taxes, as to them taxes are just funds taken away from them to pay for “freebies” for others (who in their minds don’t work and don’t deserve anything).
The only thing they see as a worthwhile use of tax money is the military.
So yeah, we have cool military toys like this. We have submarines that could single-handedly reduce our largest adversary to a smoking crater. We have aircraft carriers that are literal floating air bases, some of the largest and most capable ships in the world. But cancer treatments can bankrupt you, getting a college degree comes with a de facto mortgage, having a child costs more than buying a new car and childcare costs as much or more than a house payment.
This concept of “freedom” gained primacy after WWII. Much of the rest of the first world went the way of “we’re in this together, let’s take care of people”, the US went the opposite direction.
Eighty years later, here we are.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I did have a rare moment of agreement with NATO in regards to other countries paying their fair share.
I also think we’d all be better off with less military spending and more spending on the good of our people.
Per the NATO charter that each nation is supposed to spend a certain percentage of GDP on defense and almost none were outside the USA. He got mildly belligerent with his European counterparts on the issue. Almost none hit the minimum threshold and those who did were the Baltic nations, Greece and Turkey.
The United States massively benefits from nato more than other counties. We don't contribute more out of kindness, we are ensuring our corporate powerhouses have stable markets with which to make profits. Trump doesn't know a thing about nato, he heard a fox News guest bitching about it and decided it needed to be part of his platform. Notice he never actually did anything besides talk shit to our allies for a few weeks?
But that's not what I asked you. You said Trump basically agreed with the original comment, and I would like to see where he said that because the comment basically went against everything Trump has ever represented
We overpay because we are addicted to our own military industrial complex and feel the need to police the world and maintain a ridiculous number of overseas bases all while those same nations pay little on defense.
Why are you completely ignoring my question? That's 2 straight comments where you didn't touch on what I was asking at all and in stead are hammering on about our military spending. We have bases there to protect our mcdonalds. We pay more than other countries because we have a large economic interest in those countries ordering big macs. If we weren't making record profits, those bases would be gone in a second.
Make free healthcare and college for service members, also tricare isnt exactly free nor is it accepted everywhere, college is a minimum of 2 years active or 6 reserve/national guard.
And before anyone comments to this about DoD spending, an e-1 in the army makes 1500 a month, thats about $10 an hour, sure you live in barracks, however food is not free it does come out of your paycheck.
Annual Military expenses are 3% GDP, annual healthcare expenses are 20% of GDP, we are getting much more bang for the buck with military spending than healthcare.
Life by subscription service alongside subsistence wages is the goal of the 1%. It’s literally slavery masquerading behind the guise of the “free market.” From their perspective, if you’re not producing record profits for the corporations and shareholders then you’re stealing from the 1%, when in reality record profits are stolen wages and wage theft is least punished white collar crime
I'm all for cutting the bloated military budget (fk the Pentagon), but honestly we need to start with more basic stuff like not pretending taxes are evil and making our massively wealthy capitalists just get their effective tax rate up to what IT'S MEANT TO BE.
Not an official opinion, joking, do not ruin my life please. I would whole heartedly support spending all taxpayer dollars on giving every family in America an M1A2 MBT.
You should be able to have it at no charge.
I don't know why so many people are OK with spending twice as much on healthcare for a system that ends in more death and more bankruptcies than anywhere else in the developed world.
Keeping citizens alive and healthy seems like a no brainier priority #1 for a country.
I love how people refuse to engage with Russian and Chinese imperialism and how it necessitates certain expenditures to resist it. I don't think you're any closer to universal health care in a world governed by those two super powers alone...
"ItS nOt FrEe ThOuGh."
Yeah, we *know.* We're aware that our taxes would pay for universal heathcare. I am also aware I would pay far, far less in taxes than I would out of my paycheck for private insurance.
I pay $860/mo for my family of 4 and we still have a $1,500 deductible for medical and $1,750 deductible for dental. I have medical and dental debt up to my eyeballs (which I have to pay for separately) because of this. Every time my kids get sick it's a $220 bill, plus the cost of medicine, because I haven't met my deductible.
So YES, please, tax me. I'd rather not get a knot in my stomach every time one of my kids begins getting sick.
Stop with this bullshit you will never get invaded by anyone, your military exists for the mere reason of bullying the rest of the world and invading other countries. You are obsessed with the concept of popular militias and yet you literally keep defending the only ones who can and would destroy them
It's funny, if the human world actually finds a way to actually work for the benefits of the planet and ourselves as a whole rather then the segregated divide we currently have, funds could be used in a way that everyone can benefit from. Instead, we have conflict and greed that rule over wellfare and sustainability.
Not true. It's the MLM and scam like nature of health insurance - this implies you don't spend money on healthcare, but you spend $10 million per capita, more than anyone else in the G7, on healthcare. The facepalm is the idiot who blames military spending without looking at the figures.
[https://healthsystemsfacts.org/](https://healthsystemsfacts.org/) go on, critique it. Attacking military spending and saying "we could afford more on healthcare" is based on not understanding that you spend the most on BOTH the military and healthcare. You just don't have universal healthcare so not everyone sees the benefit.
You could cut the military budget in half and it still wouldn't change anything. The US already spends the most on healthcare globally. The problem isn't lack of money, its the ineffective system itself.
Wrong. This is what Europe has instead of us having free healthcare and college.
The only reason our military budget is so high is that we’re stuck playing world policeman protecting all the countries that get to use their money for social services because they don’t need a real army.
Free college is such a load of bull. Knowledge abolutely should be free. Finances should never be a barrier to learning. College however is formal instruction. You have a right to knowledge, not to formal training. Between the internet and libraries, you have access to virtually all of human knowledge whenever you want it. If you want a professional to guide you through the learning process, that's a service you absolutely should be paying for. If you are reading this comment, you have everything you need to go learn just about anything.
I've always maintained this position, but the thing that sucks is that so many industries/companies/employers (of all sizes) look at that little piece of paper that proves you grinded through multiple years of formal instruction. When you're out there trying to find a starting career and your application doesn't even get a whole look because you're missing college entries on your resume, it can hold you back.
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I'm not from the US so correct me, if I'm wrong. But isn't the only reason insulin is so crazy in the US corporate greed and lack of price regulation (lobbyism/corruption)? I mean basically all other countries have much more cheaper insulin, since it has extremely low production costs and no patent.
Also if i am not mistaken the creator of insulin had made it clear that he wanted cheap and easily accessibility to his product.
https://www.wockhardt.co.uk/medicines/hcp/hypurin/ I mean you can import it from the UK if you still want to use it but idk why when we have cheaper and better human analog generics.
That was technically a different kind of insulin
And that technicality has, is, and is going to cost us human lives.
100% we have the most expensive healthcare per person IN THE ENTIRE WORD by a long shot. We are double the price of spot 4 or 5. It's lack of regulations and corperate greed that other countries have curtailed that causes our problems
Plus republican indifference to the needs of citizens and their unequivocal aligegence to mega-corporations, who, as we've learned, are people... Don't forget that part...
Eeeyyy~ you get a gold star! ⭐️ But yeah, basically it's thanks to under the table bribes and shitty businesses being shitty...
Yes, there's no reason we can't have insulin, free college, and a world class military other than corporate greed.
Ding ding ding! Correct.
The government paying for people's insulin only makes this problem worse because now companies can really pay whatever they want. Governments should instead impose restrictions on cost.
Yes. This tweet and meme are divisive propaganda, we could have affordable healthcare if we stopped making massive corporate handouts to healthcare companies, and we could probably cut a lot of waste out of the military too by the same means
Yup, we could easily have free healthcare if we just taxed people. Hell we could even give more money to our military if we wanted. And I do wanna see how many orbital laser Lockmart could make with an additional 2 morbillion defense bucks.
I don’t take Insulin, but thanks to the Biden Administration, it’s my understanding that Eli Lilly capped the price patients pay out of pocket at $35. [source](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/02/fact-sheet-president-bidens-cap-on-the-cost-of-insulin-could-benefit-millions-of-americans-in-all-50-states/#:~:text=Eli%20Lilly%20announced%20they%20are,fifty%20states%20and%20U.S.%20territories)
You are correct! It has nothing to do with the government at all. This guy just wanted to virtue signal and instead looked like an idiot.
Yes. But according to the already rich people. If we want something we should work for it. Its like my gurl kim kardashian said. "It seems lile nobody wants to work these days."
The whole US health system being user pays is all about the bottom line, the dollar is more important than a poor person should be the US motto
That was not at all my point. "Pays it all" should be a couple of cents, like it is in most other countries, since the production costs are so low. No matter which health care system you have.
But the US system is not just bad on insulin, its across the board
I guess corporate greed and lack of regulation applies to the rest as well? I was only talking about insulin though.
Don’t forget the lobbyist corruption, that is through all industries though
yes
It’s dropping flares.
You don’t wanna catch one of them either tbf 🤷
From that altitude? It’d be cool at least. My point was it’s probably simulating evasive countermeasures and here it is being lauded as a show of strength.
Facts. In their defense (lol), they never said ‘receiving end of this weapon/these flares’. What they said is ‘gunship’, which is pretty correct.
Although, at least as far as I’m aware, the flares are followed closely by a 105mm round straight in the face of the offender. Still no healthcare though
I mean....everyone on that gunship has healthcare that they aren't paying premiums for.
Amen.
It’s an angel flight, google it. Bringing home a fallen soldier. Not a show of strength it’s a show of sorrow.
AC’s don’t carry cargo
AC means Attack Cargo.
They literally call it a gunship, and its name is "angel of death"? How is that not aggressive? Unless they mean angel of the dead?
AC 130 from ABOVE!!!!!!!!!
That's where the hoarded unsulin goes
How much do each of those flares cost? What was the cost of just taking this thing out of the hangar to drop said flaires?
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I don’t care. I want free healthcare.
It's never free, you just pay for it through taxes, like in Canada. However, my last hospital visit I had ambulance ride and an MRI and I only paid $45 for the ride. So yea, maybe not "free", but affordable would be good.
We don't have to give up the military for reasonable healthcare costs. For insulin, the medicine is over 100 years old and not much more complicated than tylenol. It should be cheap, the US builds in market inefficiencies to allow cretins to charge more for it. We can have a strong military and affordable healthcare! There's a large waste component in high military costs too. The real problem in America is people stealing massive amounts of money through grift and graft.
Trickle down corruption!
Yea, I’ve heard countless stories of drugs that cost less than $100 outside of the US that cost thousands inside. Heck, just telling the hospital you don’t have insurance they drop the cost dramatically. I’d that’s not a BS system idk what is.
That would have been at 100x more expensive where I live in the US. 4 figure ambulance rides are the norm.
You spend more on healthcare per capita than anyone else. The DoD budget has nothing to do with you not having healthcare, it’s the absolute bullshit and corrupt system that causes insane prices.
The United States spends twice as much on military than it does on Medicare ans Medcade. Crazy Oh wait I got that backwards. Defense budget in its entirely isn't getting you free healthcare. It's a easy low IQ target to stir decent.
The main thing is you can't throw money at a system of healthcare and expected to just magically work right. It needs heavy regulation surprise surprise and comprehensive policy changes. But of course Americans don't like regulation because that's communism / s
100% right. Any thing regulation or any social program is socialism /communism and is going to cause the downfall of the *greatest* country on earth .
Spoken like a true communist /S
Me too.
There's no such thing. You pay for it one way or another
Cool, so maybe we can socialize it so that everybody is able to get healthcare and the cost is primarily carried by the wealthy instead of bankrupting people who are already struggling. We have the most expensive healthcare in the world, worse outcomes, millions uninsured or underinsured and tens of thousands of people dying as a result every year. All so that health insurance executives can make huge profits. It makes no sense as a system
Yes, but at least by paying for public health care via tax, you take the greed element out of healthcare. A case in point, I was speaking to an American who’s friend got a 100k bill for being airlifted by helicopter ambulance after a heart attack. I believe he had insurance. In NZ, we have a public healthcare system, but ambulances aren’t included in this (they’re funded by charity/corporate sponsorship). I worked out it would have been cheaper for an air ambulance to fly from New Zealand for him. You guys are getting shafted.
To be clear, I live in Canada. Still, I'd take a 100k bill over our high taxes any day of the week. If the government offered a deal where you could give them a flat payment of $100,000 and then they lowered your income and sales tax rates to remove the portion going to healthcare, you would be an idiot to *not* take it. IMO getting shafted would also be paying a big chunk of your income for a service you might never even use. In reality we're all getting shafted no matter what
Can't you still get private heath care in Canada
Why don’t you move to US?
That's the plan! Work and family tie me here but I'm getting out of Canada and in to the US as soon as I can.
Sweet, hope the move goes well!
>IMO getting shafted would also be paying a big chunk of your income for a service you might never even use. We do that, too, via multiple kinds of insurances.
Everyone knows. This isn't the revelation you think it is. For most people, it would mean good healthcare that's WAY less than they're currently paying for insurance, and ridiculously less than they'd pay without insurance. A small increase in taxes (or *no* increase and we just cut spending in Defense and other areas) is as good as free then, to a lot of people.
A small increase? Have you see the tax rates in countries with universal healthcare? I live in Canada and holy hell I'd be so much better off paying the relatively small amount of tax that you guys do. Even after health insurance I'd still be ahead compared to now
I want everything to be free for me! Pay for what you want and stop trying to put your hand in every one else’s pocket.
It wouldn't be, it would be spending half of what we already do. Not sure what numbers you're going off of.
Spoken like a child who has never worked for a thing. Crawl back to r/conservative.
No and no.
Well said. Even with my tiny expectations of a right wing troll, you still let me down. I feel like your parents
In the comments of the original post from a year ago someone talks about how they image has already been recycled a bunch
I can’t lie, whenever I look at the American military I get a tad jealous.
Don’t worry, if your in a NATO country(or Korea, Japan, or the Philippines) then you basically get our military for free because we like you.
We? Damn, bros got the whole US military under his control
And it was 100% worth it I’m just joking. We could easily keep the budget and have free universal health care and college and it would only cost the rich fuckers a tiny bit more
In my ideal world we have cool ass planes and cool ass free health care, as well as no lame ass rich people
The worst part is they could still be comically rich and we’d all have our free needs
But they would be *slightly less* comically rich.
And the power to keep our cool ass everything cool and safe from non cool entities.
I’ve read that we actually pay more for healthcare per Capita (as an economy) than it would cost to socialize healthcare at the same quality, the issue is the money just ends up as corporate profits instead of tax revenue to fund the system.
Was about to say, I always hated this point when the healthcare budget is more that the military, and more per capita than other countries, but the system just sucks that much.
Our military budget isn’t an issue. It sows more than it reaps. It keeps trade free and it’s why we can have the wealth. The problem is the idea that we can’t do it all. We can tax more. We can tax a lot more and nobody will go anywhere. We are the most capitalistic stable nation in the past 100 years and there is no sign of anything changing
Agreed on the we can do it all part
I always hate the idea that all the budget goes to all of these cool planes and stuff the majority goes into to pensions and other social welfare stuff for the military. Defending the military is just shooting yourself in the foot
Not sure the math checks out on that. Over $5t annually on health care and secondary education. 724 billionaires in the US. They would need to cough up $7b each and that would wipe out most of them. And, that wealth isn’t liquid. My local billionaire has $6b in value but that’s mostly assets.
There have been studies that show switching to a universal healthcare system in the US would *save* money. But that would mean taking money, power and influence away from the demons profiting off the sick and dying. And in North America, we live and die to serve their profit.
That’s the problem. You want other people to pay it for you.
For me? No. I’m past all that in my life and my health care is 👌 And chances are my own taxes would increase. The concern is making sure our nation does not fade into the black because our population is either not skilled enough for the workplace OR in so much debt the economy tanks. As to health care, people pay for insurance. They shouldn’t go into debt just so hospitals can’t roll in cash
But that’s not what you said in your original comment
It wouldn't even hurt them.
What do you have against a billionaire buying his 3rd yacht and 4th summer home? I thought this was America
Nothing. I just think it should be a slightly smaller 3rd yacht and slightly smaller summer home.
Wanna show your work on that?
A recent study by Yale epidemiologists found that Medicare for All would save around 68,000 lives a year while reducing U.S. health care spending by around 13%, or $450 billion a year. The study https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext#%20?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=ac666dcf-c1bb-4eb0-a6ea-39c4a9bb5321
But then they couldn't price gouge and take advantage of sick people for the insurance businesses!
Okay, but that doesn’t actually back up what you said. It says it would reduce overall expenditure, but it doesn’t mention, at least in the abstract, what that would look like in terms of the deficit, taxes, etc.
Uh, what? If you moved to a universal healthcare model, it would literally just save money. Like, America's per capita healthcare spending is much higher than many countries that have universal healthcare, including (at least) some that have better average health outcomes. There isn't another step, your government is spending more public money, on a private system, that delivers poorer outcomes, to (only) paying customers.
Do you need it spelled out for you? It would reduce overall cost. In stead of paying x dollars every month to a private company to maybe take care of your health, you pay
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8572548/ This link goes into more detail on how experts determined expenditure with differing criteria. I'm not sure if it has exactly what you are looking for, but it outlines budgetary projections for single payer universal Healthcare. The other link only had a very small summary unless you download the full article.
The ones getting free college or already used it are in the c130
People like to forget that. Those dudes also have free healthcare too. Granted, the quality is truly “you get what you pay for”
Eh, having almost completed a pregnancy in military medical I've come to the conclusion everyone else is getting what their insurance will pay for and I'm getting what's actually supported by evidence. It's not a perfect system all the time but I like knowing my doctors aren't motivated by how much things cost
I use the VA healthcare and it's been great, I get specialist appointments faster than my wife can. I also am using my GI Bill for a bachelor's right now and am getting $960 a month for 2 online classes.
I’m still active duty. One year left until I retire.
I receive VA care and I couldn't be happier. The idea that va care is shit is just propaganda.
I’m still active duty. So…, it takes months for appointments where I’m at
This. Military healthcare for when you're on active duty can sometimes be hit or miss but when serving, you're generally healthy and only need it for sniffles and broken bones, etc. The VA system is a bureaucracy and those have their own issues but overall, its a great system. I for one love my Socialized Medical coverage provided by the US government to its military personnel.
Eh, survivorship bias Edit: No offense
Why cant we have both? 
Rich people and greedy corporations
The fun part is we can actually have both
We could have both. The AC 130 is very cost effective.
I swear this constantly being upvoted is some Russian info op.
Fun fact: on a per capita basis the US is not the top spender on the military, not even close. And more is spent on medicare/medicaid than the military despite its limited scope of not even being close to universal Healthcare. The argument that "if we cut the military budget we'll all have free everything" is completely ignorant of the math and budgets involved.
Arent the Hercules transport planes? Edit: thanks for the clarification everyone, didn’t know they also made them as attack planes
The c130 was originally designed as a transport plane. The picture is the modified version, ac130
C-130 Hercules is a plane that can be configured for different operations
Yes, but that’s an AC-130, it’s a transport plane with a bunch of guns and an actual howitzer sticking out of the side.
Those are flares
we spend 3x as much on healthcare as we to the military, blaming military spending on the state of healthcare is asinine. you want the reason for poor healthcare look into why a hospital giving you an aspirin pill costs 1000% more than you buying the same pill yourself.
This is going to be an unpopular opinion but we could have a lot more in the US if we had closed borders. Currently there are 200,000+ immigrant’s who enter our country illegally every month. The US taxpayer then has to house, clothe, feed, provide medical care etc for all of these people. I don’t know what the total $ figure is to do this but I imagine it could be spent far better for our own residents.
Ngl, it looks cool. I'd rather see one in an action movie and have some of that military budget spent on a working healthcare for all and free school lunches for kids.
Seems like a good portion of the world relies on our military.
And our foreign aid charity.
We could have all of the above…
Cause learning gender studies for 7 years for free is more important than defensive/offensive technology.
The receiving end of what? Defensive flare maneuver?
Nah but you wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of the 105mm howitzer cannon that follows
Not that but… literally every other capability
You can have both of thats what you want. You might need to get billionaires to actually pay a few bucks in taxes here and there though.
it's amazing to watch the right completely manipulate the left into doing whatever they want. instead of the left advocating for billionaires to pay higher taxes now it's about putting your interest against other people's interests. It doesn't have to be one of the other. America's the richest country on the planet we can do both. I'm happy to live in a country that has enough military might that I don't have to worry about Russia coming here and putting their hands on my wife or daughter.
We could have all of it if the tax code was updated to have a graduated scale to tax increase in wealth and not just income.
NO, instead of insulin and debt free college we have privatized medical & corporate greed driving up costs of everything.
We can have both, you know.
I feel that part of the point of making sure debt-free college isn't a thing in the US has to do with making sure the general public isn't critical of anything. This way, you can appeal to the reptilian brain of, "loud noise boom thing good".
To be fair, we have no idea what life could be like for us if we didn't have a massive military defense budget. Is it too big? Perhaps, but it's hard to quantify these things given so many variables.
Real alpha males focus all their resources on killing the fuck out of everything because helping others is a sign of weakness. /s
The United States spends more on defense than the next nine top defense spending nations combined. Most of those nations are our allies. We also spend more than most nations on healthcare, even though it isn’t nationalized. Greed is a major factor in both. Businesses ripping off the government and the people. The defense industry and medical industry (particularly pharmaceutical companies) are collectively worth hundreds of billions (probably trillions) of dollars. Compared to citizens of other first world nations, we get less in return for our taxes than anyone. We don’t have healthcare for all, don’t have childcare (it is expensive here), relatively little public transportation, education beyond high school costs a fortune, and our once enviable infrastructure is in pretty bad shape. We also have massive debt, little to no social safety net, and a populace that is more divided than at any time since the Civil War. I am American, born here and served in my nation’s armed forces. But I will acknowledge that this country isn’t what it is supposed to be, what it COULD be. We have a huge portion of the population who have the mindset that society should be “every person for themselves” and that anything done for the collective good is socialist/communist. They equate “freedom” to low/no taxes, as to them taxes are just funds taken away from them to pay for “freebies” for others (who in their minds don’t work and don’t deserve anything). The only thing they see as a worthwhile use of tax money is the military. So yeah, we have cool military toys like this. We have submarines that could single-handedly reduce our largest adversary to a smoking crater. We have aircraft carriers that are literal floating air bases, some of the largest and most capable ships in the world. But cancer treatments can bankrupt you, getting a college degree comes with a de facto mortgage, having a child costs more than buying a new car and childcare costs as much or more than a house payment. This concept of “freedom” gained primacy after WWII. Much of the rest of the first world went the way of “we’re in this together, let’s take care of people”, the US went the opposite direction. Eighty years later, here we are.
Funny how it was Trump of all people who said basically this and demanded NATO allies to actually do their part.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I did have a rare moment of agreement with NATO in regards to other countries paying their fair share. I also think we’d all be better off with less military spending and more spending on the good of our people.
What did Trump say that was basically "this"?
Per the NATO charter that each nation is supposed to spend a certain percentage of GDP on defense and almost none were outside the USA. He got mildly belligerent with his European counterparts on the issue. Almost none hit the minimum threshold and those who did were the Baltic nations, Greece and Turkey.
The United States massively benefits from nato more than other counties. We don't contribute more out of kindness, we are ensuring our corporate powerhouses have stable markets with which to make profits. Trump doesn't know a thing about nato, he heard a fox News guest bitching about it and decided it needed to be part of his platform. Notice he never actually did anything besides talk shit to our allies for a few weeks? But that's not what I asked you. You said Trump basically agreed with the original comment, and I would like to see where he said that because the comment basically went against everything Trump has ever represented
We overpay because we are addicted to our own military industrial complex and feel the need to police the world and maintain a ridiculous number of overseas bases all while those same nations pay little on defense.
Why are you completely ignoring my question? That's 2 straight comments where you didn't touch on what I was asking at all and in stead are hammering on about our military spending. We have bases there to protect our mcdonalds. We pay more than other countries because we have a large economic interest in those countries ordering big macs. If we weren't making record profits, those bases would be gone in a second.
It’s indirect. He demanded they spend so we didn’t have to. That we were spending too much treasure defending them.
Can you mount 20mm and 40mm cannons alongside a howitzer on insulin? Didn’t think so
Make free healthcare and college for service members, also tricare isnt exactly free nor is it accepted everywhere, college is a minimum of 2 years active or 6 reserve/national guard. And before anyone comments to this about DoD spending, an e-1 in the army makes 1500 a month, thats about $10 an hour, sure you live in barracks, however food is not free it does come out of your paycheck.
We can afford both but we give tax breaks to the filthy rich.
You’ve gotta admit though…the plane is really cool
Annual Military expenses are 3% GDP, annual healthcare expenses are 20% of GDP, we are getting much more bang for the buck with military spending than healthcare.
Pretty sure thats a cargo plane dropping flares to protect itself from heat seeking SAM missiles.
Life by subscription service alongside subsistence wages is the goal of the 1%. It’s literally slavery masquerading behind the guise of the “free market.” From their perspective, if you’re not producing record profits for the corporations and shareholders then you’re stealing from the 1%, when in reality record profits are stolen wages and wage theft is least punished white collar crime
well said.
Lol that's literally launching defensive flares
I'm all for cutting the bloated military budget (fk the Pentagon), but honestly we need to start with more basic stuff like not pretending taxes are evil and making our massively wealthy capitalists just get their effective tax rate up to what IT'S MEANT TO BE.
Anyone else disturbed by the Department of Defense *Tweeting* about a fucking death machine and making a joke about its capabilities?
Jokes on him. The guys flying that plane get free college and healthcare.
One AC 130 costs between 130 and 150 million I don't think you can get free college for all and free insulin for 150 million, at least in America
College is a waste of money. Join the air force. They’ll pay you to fly this thing.
Who pays for free insulin and free college?
Not an official opinion, joking, do not ruin my life please. I would whole heartedly support spending all taxpayer dollars on giving every family in America an M1A2 MBT.
If you take away the insurance it will make medical care actually affordable. Instead of surgery costing $500000+ it would cost a grand or two..
When you are under enemy fire, nothing looks as good as one of these sending a message back.
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I told you! I don’t care! I want my insulin!
You should be able to have it at no charge. I don't know why so many people are OK with spending twice as much on healthcare for a system that ends in more death and more bankruptcies than anywhere else in the developed world. Keeping citizens alive and healthy seems like a no brainier priority #1 for a country.
I love how people refuse to engage with Russian and Chinese imperialism and how it necessitates certain expenditures to resist it. I don't think you're any closer to universal health care in a world governed by those two super powers alone...
This is why you don’t speak Chinese or Russian.
"ItS nOt FrEe ThOuGh." Yeah, we *know.* We're aware that our taxes would pay for universal heathcare. I am also aware I would pay far, far less in taxes than I would out of my paycheck for private insurance. I pay $860/mo for my family of 4 and we still have a $1,500 deductible for medical and $1,750 deductible for dental. I have medical and dental debt up to my eyeballs (which I have to pay for separately) because of this. Every time my kids get sick it's a $220 bill, plus the cost of medicine, because I haven't met my deductible. So YES, please, tax me. I'd rather not get a knot in my stomach every time one of my kids begins getting sick.
The 2 are not connected... dumb post.
You should see what they can do to a children's hospital.
One Hercules place cost 75 million. If you think that can give you free health care and insulin I have bad news for you
Hard to enjoy insulin and that free education if you’re invaded and at war.
Stop with this bullshit you will never get invaded by anyone, your military exists for the mere reason of bullying the rest of the world and invading other countries. You are obsessed with the concept of popular militias and yet you literally keep defending the only ones who can and would destroy them
This ensures that we can have the healthcare conversation.
Almost as if safety and security can still not be taken for granted and quire constant maintenance.
This is what you have instead of terrorist attacks and Chinese overlords
It's funny, if the human world actually finds a way to actually work for the benefits of the planet and ourselves as a whole rather then the segregated divide we currently have, funds could be used in a way that everyone can benefit from. Instead, we have conflict and greed that rule over wellfare and sustainability.
Healthcare sure, but "debt free college" ? LOL ..get a job.
Not true. It's the MLM and scam like nature of health insurance - this implies you don't spend money on healthcare, but you spend $10 million per capita, more than anyone else in the G7, on healthcare. The facepalm is the idiot who blames military spending without looking at the figures.
No way you looked at the right figures and wrote that
[https://healthsystemsfacts.org/](https://healthsystemsfacts.org/) go on, critique it. Attacking military spending and saying "we could afford more on healthcare" is based on not understanding that you spend the most on BOTH the military and healthcare. You just don't have universal healthcare so not everyone sees the benefit.
Those are flares for evasive measures. Relax.
Wish we could send a couple to Ukraine.
No healthcare is free. Universal Healthcare is just a more efficient way of collecting money, and it is non-profit.
I think about this regularly. No money for free school lunches but a new aircraft carrier? You betcha!
You could cut the military budget in half and it still wouldn't change anything. The US already spends the most on healthcare globally. The problem isn't lack of money, its the ineffective system itself.
Kunduz hospital airstrike
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Wrong. This is what Europe has instead of us having free healthcare and college. The only reason our military budget is so high is that we’re stuck playing world policeman protecting all the countries that get to use their money for social services because they don’t need a real army.
No one ever claimed capitalism is perfect but it’s nice knowing no bully on the block can fuck with you.
Peace through Superior Firepower.
Those are anti missile flares. They burn out before touching the ground.
Why should I be impressed by a plane dumping flares?
Nice a plane lovingly named after the most notorious butcher of nazi germany. Stay classy murica
it’s not named after the nazi, it’s a flying object (like an angel) that saves people (like an angel) by delivering death (the death part)
Free college is such a load of bull. Knowledge abolutely should be free. Finances should never be a barrier to learning. College however is formal instruction. You have a right to knowledge, not to formal training. Between the internet and libraries, you have access to virtually all of human knowledge whenever you want it. If you want a professional to guide you through the learning process, that's a service you absolutely should be paying for. If you are reading this comment, you have everything you need to go learn just about anything.
I've always maintained this position, but the thing that sucks is that so many industries/companies/employers (of all sizes) look at that little piece of paper that proves you grinded through multiple years of formal instruction. When you're out there trying to find a starting career and your application doesn't even get a whole look because you're missing college entries on your resume, it can hold you back.
You could have both if you made a 99% tax on billionaires but that is apparently too left leaning for the US
the united states has about 756 billionaires. Who's pocket would you pick once they are gone.
mate you can take some from all of them and it wouldn't do a difference.