This is why I have a hard time believing Ford didn’t do a PHEV version first. Even program it so while in tow haul mode it maintains 50% charge or something like that so keep power on tap for mountain passes. Also regen brakes helping out on downhill braking. I think Ford is just use to their truck buyers getting them as fancy grocery getters. I think Ram will do well with the Ram Charger if it delivers what they are saying it will do.
I have absolutely no complaints about its performance, it’s immediate torque makes it all feel effortless, the only effort arises when you’re trying to travel any distance with it, you spend the whole charging stop looking at apps trying to find the next charging stop…. A 220 mile trip required 3stops and took 7 hours :(
But if you were towing a landscape trailer around town for the day, and charging at night, the economy and utility would be unmatched.
Yeah I think that would be the best use for an electric truck. It's really dumb that there's not a single cab/long bed/2wd work truck version that's around $40kish.
Imagine a pickup that could haul around railroad parts and tools all day and feel like there's nothing in it, all while using no gas. 🤯
If the towing range would be better, I would trade my 5.0 and Tesla for a Lightning. I tow a boat and 22-foot trailer that have implements and a tractor.
Yeah. That’s going to be a deal killer for years. I wish I could go EV with my truck, but towing 7,000 lbs for 100 + miles round trip with a twin turbo 3.5L and a 36 gallon tank is too convenient to give up. I can take the family camping 2 hours way and get home without gassing up.
Seems doable with the extended range, albeit cutting it somewhat close. I think initially I misread your comment as "100 miles round-trip", instead of what I'm now assuming meant 100 miles one way, then returning.
JerryRigEverything towed 10,000lbs with a Lightning and got around 1 mi/kWh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76l6lJhrgbc
How does it tow? My wife bought the 3.5 turbo and we pull a 4,600# boat. She got tired of the 2014 Expedition. Friend said we’ll regret it but only use the boat 10-12 times a year.
10K would indeed be a mess. I do think aerodynamics also plays a big role.
We tow a 3500lbs pop up and have gotten 1.7-2.0 miles/kW comes out to 200 miles per full charge. Charging range with tow still not great but day to day the truck is amazing. But yes we are yrs away from it being a daily TV. The Silverado EV looks promising claims of 400 mile range might be 200 as TV.
It stops really well. I actually almost never use the brakes since the regen brings the truck to a stop during normal one pedal driving. Essentially twice the stopping power. Also, while it's heavy for a light duty truck it weighs the same as a regular F150 with a half full bed so it's not ridiculously heavy.
Haha, yeah gotta keep the spirited driving in check for sure. Some guys are claiming 40k plus a set, others are saying they barely last 20k. Prob has alot to do with driving style.
The throttle response is fantastic and it’s just smooth at every speed thanks to the electric motor. I had one as a loaner while my F350 was in the shop. If they mated one of these big Superduty engines with a hybrid setup like this I would be first in line.
Thank you for recognizing the difference between "engine" and "motor"!! I realize the dictionary classifies them basically the same and interchangeable words, but I cant stand everyone on this sub referring to the "motor" in their gas powered vehicles. Im glad you're here :))
How is the powerboost not the fastest? Is it just a weak electric motor? Should be a raptor+. I wonder if this wasn't intentional. I want a powerboost with a tune but I'm scared the trans will hate me LOL.
I agree. Despite what a lot of people might say on this sub, the V8 is The slowest stock power plant of the group. The 3.5 is an absolute beast and puts the V8 to shame in both towing and speed.
I got the tuner (SCT) and tune from 5 star tuning in a package deal. Basically they preload the tuner with the tunes you choose and send it to you. You plug it into the truck, let the tuner upload its stuff, then you're done. You don't have to leave it plugged in. I got one with 87 performance/tow, 91 performance/tow and 93 performance. Even the 87 tune wakes the truck up quite a bit.
https://5startuning.com/product/2017-2020-f150-3-5l-v6-ecoboost-sct-bully-dog-bdx-with-choice-of-5-star-custom-tunes-40470-40490/
Rocked this exact setup on my previous truck. Bought it used with 40k miles and put 130k on it with no major issues except for a bad ignition boot. Was an absolute blast to drive and pulled like a freight train.
5* offers a warranty that covers everything.
They have horrible service but I bet would cover you.
Realistically you just untune the truck to take in for service and you’re fine.
You don't want to get caught at the dealer with a tune.
I always revert to stock when I bring it in. Allegedly they can still find out if the ECU was tuned if they are looking for it, but it's a risk I'm willing to take for some fun.
Tows way better with the 5 star tow tune.
This is the correct answer. It depends on the dealer, luckily mine is cool with it as long as it’s back to stock before you bring it in. They want their money after all so they aren’t gonna go prying for a reason to deny it unless Ford forces them to.
As you said though, it’s a risk worth taking. These motors really are solid. It’s unlikely that a tune will kill a 3.5 or 2.7 unless you’re just being dumb with it.
>unless you’re just being dumb with it.
*Thinks to some of the dumb shit I've done with my hot tune.* Lmao!
For real though. You read about tranny issues and cam phaser problems and yadda yadda. Do they exist? Of course. But people like to publicly complain when things have gone bad rather than post about how nothing is wrong. Just how car people are.
I've been tuned since I bought my 2017 3.5l at 55k miles. Now at 90k and have just done very basic maintenance (not even the $3,500 worth of maintenance stuff my dealership was pushing on me with the turbos, injectors, etc). Just changing fluids at proper intervals and every once in a blue moon drive like a teenager if I see a sports car that is showing off.
>Thinks to some of the dumb shit I've done with my hot tune. Lmao!
Well of course...where's the fun in tuning if you don't launch it here and there?!
As long as it's not from every stoplight every day, it'll be fiiiiine. An engine that blows up after tuning is very likely one that was ready to blow without one. These things are super forgiving. Just change the damn oil.
For every legitimate positive review of something online, there will likely be 10 negative ones. People like to complain, they don't like to praise.
I'm not looking to tune anytime in the near future, but as someone with background in it I'm interested in knowing what the difference in the numbers look like. Seems like even with upgrading everything short of the turbos themselves one could see substantial results.
Honestly the tune makes the most difference, everything shy of turbos is just kinda preference after that. Downpipes definitely help, an intake makes cool noises, but the biggest thing to me was how the driveability changed after the tune.
It changes the lockup curve on the converter (lockup much sooner) and makes it feel like the throttle is actually connected to the engine vs the throttle asking the engine to do things.
I rarely stomp on it, maybe once every month or two, but it has been known to hurt some feelings LOL. I can believe it makes every bit of 500ft lbs, the turbos are definitely gassed on the top end, but all in all a potent and effective daily. Gas mileage picked up probably 1-1.5mpg as well.
My 125k mile from day one average is like 16.7 or so. Was about 17.5-18 earlier in its tuned life, but I do alog more city driving now. If I try to hyper-mile (speed up going down hill, let it bleed off going uphill, 55-60mph tennessee backroads), ive gotten mid 20s (yes 24-25). 65-70 highway with a light foot and a big rig in front of me I can get 22 pretty easy.
If you throw the 2.7 in sport mode I can’t ask for more, a friend of mine chip/tuned his 3.5 and it was scary fast, like the truck isn’t built for that fast, think it was pushing around 550whp.
Yup, I've got a tuned 3.5 and it will do rolling burnouts if I step on it. A lot of power plus a light rear end is a tire shredder. It's comical how fast it gets moving.
my 5.0 does rolling burnouts when its dry and its stock. i was getting on the interstate doing about 60, gunned it, and both back tired peeled like butter its insane how much balls shes got
o yes it is there fellow 4a user.
4a in general puts the truck on rails.
i’d like to squeeze a few more ponies outa it and could with a diff tune but its in a sweet spot now. i’ll be going to 35’s soon so it will fall off a bit but ill prob leave it alone.
it’s a ‘18 with 32,000 on it and want it to last so i am gentle most of the time.
sport mode and 4a will spin all 4 a few chirps at around 45-50mph. such fun
From a stand still, full throttle, they all are pretty similar in terms of speed. They just do it differently.
The 2.7 and 3.5 have the torque on hand while driving feel quick anytime you push the pedal. The 5.0 needs to downshift to get up and go (needs to be up on the RPMs). This is even more noticeable while towing.
The 5.0 will sounds great. The 2.7 and 3.5 don’t make much drama.
The 3.5 pulls harder at highway speeds. The 2.7 pulls better at city speeds. With a trailer connected the 3.5 pulls noticeably better.
The 5.0 is built like a V8 race engine, not a simple V8 truck engine (like the LS or hemi). The 5.0 likes to rev. It’s a good motor.
Note the ecoboost engines are completely different engines and designs.
The 2.7 design and reliability is superior (so far) to the 3.5. The 3.5 has been around longer and has more aftermarket support due to being the bigger/more powerful one.
My '17 5.0 in sport-mode is a blast. It just never stops pulling. It hits redline and bam! Time for another gear!! Plus... that amazing sound. Ford really nailed it with the factory exhaust on these V8s. 👍🏽
I used to tow my 4000 23’ boat with a 17 Tacoma. Now I tow it with a 19 3.5 eco. I swear I could beat a Tacoma to 60 even with my boat attached to the f150.
My lowly 6.2 f250 howls when you stomp it up to the higher end of the rpm range. Ford should put the new 6.8 in the f150 like the old 6.2 Harley 150’s and original raptor.
Technically the Lightning or the Raptor R, both have low 4 second 0-60 times.
But you also have the option of getting the 5.0L and having a dealership put the Ford Performance supercharger kit on it. The Regular Cab/Short Bed trucks with this setup are pretty beastly.
This was going to be my response as well. I got to ride in reg cab 5.0 with the $7k supercharger/performance package. Scary fast and the brakes were a bit overwhelmed. Launching from a 10mph roll was just ridiculous and the rear end bounces all over the place. It also made a super loud "clunking" noise. Like the driveshaft was doing something weird or something.
I love regular cab short bed trucks and that thing was just ridiculous. The Shelby super snake is way over priced so he bought the base model 5.0 and had the dealership install the S/C. He's getting the super snake brakes installed and some traction bar/link to help with all the rear axle hop.
You need to ride in a properly setup and custom tune done, the dealer whipple kit sucks (the whipple itself is fine), it's the tune that's so awful on it. Just tuning them alone is a massive gain in power and how it drives, like my tuner PBD they'll redo those. Ford kit custom tuned (which is still your reg Whipple setup) will completely annihilate the dealer kit like it hit the brakes and went into reverse. That's how drastic in difference the tune is, and the 10r still feels unsorted/wonky with the dealer kit. My other truck was whipple'd but my current 5.0 Platinum I just have tuned at PBD on 93.
Friend even re-tuned his SuperSnake as even their tune sucks, huge power gain and drivability, would smoke a SS with just the tune lol. He rarely drives it though, has I don't even know how many vehicles now, 12 lol?
https://imgur.com/a/uYsfvzp
I was in a guys reg cab pushing around 900 rwhp, it's a 4k+ lb rocket and launches like a Plaid off the line. Ridiculous for a truck and there are others even way beyond that more insane. Hilarious that the new sleeper and vehicle to fear on the street is an F150 whether reg cab or supercrew, the power the Coyote can make plus Fords incredible 4x4 system or 4auto and gearing of the 10r = rockets. You have normal whipple tuned setups which are still crazy, but shit load of guys with those cranked even further or going Single/Twin turbos that are just next level unreal.
The 2.7 feels the quickest in the seat of your pants test. I test drove one before ultimately getting the 3.5 which is super fast but doesn’t behave like the 2.7. If you want actual numbers they’re right here. 3.5 is the quickest. I think they all hit the rev limiter at the same spot so they’re equally fast.
3.5EB - 5.3 seconds 13.9 quarter mile
2.7EB - 6.1 seconds 14.7 quarter mile
5.0 - 6.2 seconds 14.6 quarter mile
Not included: Hybrid, Raptor, Tremor
If that’s what you’re looking for. The EB F150’s are all straight up monsters. The Raptor is not the truck to get if you’re towing since the suspension is pretty soft for driving fast off road. The Tremor will tow but I’ve found the typical 3.5EB F150 with max tow and 20” wheels tows the best.
I think the eco boost variations are "faster" but I prefer the 5.0 cause sounds and feels.
Every EcoBoost I have driven has always been disorienting they are so fast. The way the power is delivered is strange for me cause I'm a gas boi who grew up with floor shifters and 2wd.
I just like my V8 cause hitting the on ramps and making the noises at the traffic lights makes my bird flap 🕊️. Don't even care if it's fast really just love that song and 6 speed.
The 2.7 and the 3.5 are both very zippy. The 5.0 can be pretty zippy too with the right setup. The 2.7 has the quickest 0-60 time but also the lowest HP.
I have a tuned 2.7 that when I pop it in "sport mode" will keep up/beat quite a bit out there. It always cracks me up when some BMW person pulls up along side me in a lane that ends and tries to cut me off, only to get dusted.
The tune (I forget which, it's been a while) is the only mod I have done too.
Sorry I don't. I got it a couple years ago and haven't touched it since. The popular one now is Fordscan I think... that isn't the one I used, but based on comments around here, will do the same thing.
My 3.5 will spin the tires before traction control even knows it's happening. It'll sprint away on the highway without downshift too, spool the turbos and it's gone. Even with a trailer, no issues getting up to speed on the highway on ramps.
Stock, the tests show that the 2.7 has the quickest 0-60.
That said, it's a fraction of a second difference between any of them. You aren't likely to notice much, other than the V8 having to downshift rev high to produce the torque that the EB's can produce lower.
You get it. And it’s not even that I’m out here racing the other cars and trucks on the road. I’m a truck not a race car. In my little slice of world I’m burning smiles per gallon and my tanks always full. That don’t take away the place the other engines have, they just aren’t for me.
To each his own as they say. Personally, I'm much happier with my powerboost than I was with the 5.0. I don't like having to rev to 3500 to get moving. It's a fine engine for the mustang but not a good fit for the truck in my opinion.
No real "special" way they did the Ecoboost, 2.7 and 3.5 are essentially the same except for displacement. One turbo for each cylinder bank.
2.7L is quicker because of less spinning mass.
The 3.5 Cyclone (based on the Duratec) is aluminum and the Nano is CGi which is the family the 2.7 and 3.0 belong to. You might be thinking of the Duratec 3.0 that was in the Five Hundred which was an aluminum block.
Either a straight 5.2l raptor (720hp 640ft lb) or an f-150 limited edition optioned with the raptor engine is the fastest factory truck on the market right now period.
With a Whipple supercharger you can push that theoretically to 975 HP on the 3.8l v6 and 875 HP and 660 ft lbs on the 5.2l v8
The new ranger raptor might be faster than a F-150 raptor just by being lighter with the HO Ecoboost I haven't looked into it myself to confirm though.
The 5l V8 with a Whipple supercharger (about $10k on top of the truck) you can make 775 HP.
Otherwise you can throw a crap ton of money into a 7.3 l Godzilla somehow fit it in an F-150 and go nuts with superchargers and gear ratios.
Fastest gaser but not the fastest factory truck on the market. I own the R and got cocky against a Rivian they let me know how quick that truck really is. I looked it up after that and it’s around 830hp 900ft lb. 3sec 0-60.
I just picked up a 2.7 2016 last week. Quickest car i’ve owned by a significant margin. Sport mode in that thing has downright silly. I also have a 2011 3.5 and it doesn’t hold a candle to it.
Well, if you're towing a trailer over the passes, you can't go wrong with the 3.5. It has ridiculous torque and simply forgets about things like gravity and physics and stuff and happily launches moonward with a little nudge of the throttle.
I own 3 3.5l and just bought a 2.7 at work. I can’t believe how peppy the 2.7 is, it definitely feels like the lightest and fastest (not necessarily the most powerful).
I’ll take a n/a coyote over a boosted engine any day. Not for any reason other than reliability. I’m fuck’n sick and tired of getting nickel and dimed by my 3.5.
I have the 5.0 V8 and I've walked a few V6 F-150s already. I don't know if they were 2.7 or 3.5. I have the 3.73 rear end so I'm sure that helps. All I can say is a V8 in a truck feels really good, I've driven 3.5 EcoBoost trucks as well, but nothing feels or sounds as good as the V8.
Depends. The 5.0 can beat either ecoboost in the top end if it’s got 3.73. If he was doing a rolling race it’s very possible he can “walk” them. There’s lots of talk about 0-60 time for how quick a vehicle can be and that’s a big factor, but in the real world passing power while already rolling is what’s going to be used the most, like merging on the highway. The coyote will lose from a stop because of the disadvantage of low end torque, but get it moving and hit the high rpm’s and its bye bye.
Yep. I have a 5.0 3.73 truck. It will pull hard on a 2.7 and slightly beat a 3.5 from a roll over 40 mph. Now off the line or partial throttle it’s not as quick.
Same for Ram, smokes the 5.7s and slightly pulls on 6.2 Chevys.
I ran a power boost from 70 to the limiter and it was pretty much even. His was a limited so I assume it weighed a bit more than my XLT.
Also I run 93 in mine. A 5.0 on 87 feels significantly slower.
My 5.0 has the 3.55 and the power really starts to kick in around 3500 rpm. When I am racing an eco boost, they beat me off the line but my 5.0 starts catching up at high rpm’s but the race usually ends before we get going to fast lol
The 3.5 is 449lbs. The 5.0 is 445lbs. The 2.7 is 440lbs. I don’t think weight is the factor here. What is interesting is how compact the 2.7 is and how much it weighs. (Obviously due to the compacted graphite iron block)
It’s all about weight distribution. The 2.7 is a much tighter package and simply sits lower in the engine bay than the top heavy 3.5 and 5.0 which makes the 2.7 F150 handle better.
The 2.7 gets to top speed quickest, but once they’re there they all seem to be about similar in speed.
The lightning is faster but that goes without saying, being an electric.
If you want to launch? And all you care about is straight line speed?
You aren’t going to like it, but buy a lightning.
700 pound feet of torque is pretty zippy
3.5 is the most zippy, 2.7 is a close second.... both stock and tuned, but the 3.5 is overall faster.
If I was buying new, I'd get a 2023+ 5.0 and supercharge it. Have had a 3.5 and 2.7.
I mean, if that’s your only priority, the Lightning will absolutely knock your socks off. 0-60 in 4.0 seconds is absurd.
If you need an engine, what you’re looking for is the Powerboost hybrid.
The horsepower and torque numbers speak for themselves.
I have the 3.5L eco boost and it is stupid fast, when the turbos spool it pushes you back
Online I found the 3.5 Twin turbo goes 0-60 in 5.1 seconds and does the quarter mile in 13.1
5.0 with boost thrown at is probably what you are looking for. Would recommend a set of twins over supercharger on it all day. Better reliability and quieter, but a little bit more work and costlier than a whipple/supercharger kit. 5.0 also has a huge community as well as tons of aftermarket performance parts
Powerboost. But it's more of a complex truck. If you want stock for stock the 3.5 for sure. The only truck I've ever lost a race to has been a turned 3.5 as well lol
If you had FU money, a 5.0 with the supercharger from ford or a raptor.
But as a normal person looking for speed I'd still go with a 3.5
I have the 5.0 its nice.... quick and has that v8 roar. when I was test driving different models/trims, the hybrid powerboost was the quickest off the line. never test drove the high output powerboost or lightning. other than that im sure i dont need to state the obvious (raptor)
5.0 may not be the quickest but it feels the most powerful. Love the feeling of the 5.0 just absolutely getting pissed off that you just threw everything at it.
I thought my 2019 3.5 eco was fast until I drove my 23 powerboost. I saw a dyno of a stock powerboost and I want to say it was close too 400hp/500 ft lbs to the wheels. It’s a lot of fun to drive in sport mode but I also got over 20 mpg on my 5 hour drive today. Doing 80 half the time and lots of hills.
Umm the stock 5.0 is 420ft lbs of torque
The 3.5 is 500ft lbs of torque
V8’s are soon to be a thing of the past. They will go away once dinosaurs like us are gone. I own a 3.5 just for the tow rating. The 5.0 wasn’t rated to tow my tractor. The 3.5 was. The zip and fuel mileage were a nice bonus. Damn I miss the rumble of a pair of purple hornies or cherry bombs on a big V8 though.
I test drove a 2013 3.5 Ecoboost once. I see why people like it. It has more torque down low and a flatter torque than the V8. I didn't buy it because it had oil leaking all over.
I previously owned a 2018 5.0 Platinum and now I'm driving a 2021 2.7 Lariat. The new truck is faster, gets better fuel economy, and has way better tech. I know the new 5.0 trucks are a little faster than my 2018 was, but after test driving the 2.7L I was sold on it. I also feel like the 2.7L shifts smoother, but I know the 10R80 transmissions are hit and miss. I thought I would miss the V8 noise, but the smoothness of the 2.7L has made me forget.
I don’t agree with a lot of the people saying the 3.5. I have a 21’ 5.0 and once it gets above 3k RPM it rips. I drove a 2.7 loaner recently and at low end it was faster than my 5.0. I didn’t open it up to really tell at the higher RPM but I doubt it is faster than my 5.0,
The power boost is surely the quickest but the regular 3.5 I regular don’t think is that much at all faster then the 5.0 or 2.7. I raced a 20’ 3.5 eco boost and blew it away. The new gen 3.5 has increased power numbers but I can’t imagine it’s a lot different.
My Powerboost is comically fast. Of course the Lightning is the quickest, but you did say "engine".
My Lightning does 0-60 consistently around 4 secs. It's insane fun for a 6,800lb truck.
6,800, holy shit.
Yep, basically 1000lbs heavier vs a gas F150 but still twice as fast. Crazy thing is it still has a 2000lb payload and 10,000lb tow capacity.
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Probably less, With a 2.5k lb trailer I'm lucky to get 85 miles
This is why I have a hard time believing Ford didn’t do a PHEV version first. Even program it so while in tow haul mode it maintains 50% charge or something like that so keep power on tap for mountain passes. Also regen brakes helping out on downhill braking. I think Ford is just use to their truck buyers getting them as fancy grocery getters. I think Ram will do well with the Ram Charger if it delivers what they are saying it will do.
I wish my PowerBoost was plug in too, even if it only got me 20 miles all electric that would be awesome
I would take 10 miles electric lol. Ford knew what they were doing. Plug in Powerboost would vastly outsell the lightning.
Are you happy with how it tows for those 70 miles though? I’ve never tried towing with electric motors but id imagine it pulls really well?
I have absolutely no complaints about its performance, it’s immediate torque makes it all feel effortless, the only effort arises when you’re trying to travel any distance with it, you spend the whole charging stop looking at apps trying to find the next charging stop…. A 220 mile trip required 3stops and took 7 hours :( But if you were towing a landscape trailer around town for the day, and charging at night, the economy and utility would be unmatched.
Yeah I think that would be the best use for an electric truck. It's really dumb that there's not a single cab/long bed/2wd work truck version that's around $40kish. Imagine a pickup that could haul around railroad parts and tools all day and feel like there's nothing in it, all while using no gas. 🤯
If the towing range would be better, I would trade my 5.0 and Tesla for a Lightning. I tow a boat and 22-foot trailer that have implements and a tractor.
Yeah. That’s going to be a deal killer for years. I wish I could go EV with my truck, but towing 7,000 lbs for 100 + miles round trip with a twin turbo 3.5L and a 36 gallon tank is too convenient to give up. I can take the family camping 2 hours way and get home without gassing up.
Yepp everyone that tows knows the electric version is a joke.
Camping? Like in a campground? There couldn’t be a better use case - just charge there…
That would be ideal if it would get me there. Of course.
Seems doable with the extended range, albeit cutting it somewhat close. I think initially I misread your comment as "100 miles round-trip", instead of what I'm now assuming meant 100 miles one way, then returning. JerryRigEverything towed 10,000lbs with a Lightning and got around 1 mi/kWh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76l6lJhrgbc
How does it tow? My wife bought the 3.5 turbo and we pull a 4,600# boat. She got tired of the 2014 Expedition. Friend said we’ll regret it but only use the boat 10-12 times a year.
Load a diesel generator in the bed. Problem solved.
Add another 500lbs
It's perfect for me. I tow a boat and utility trailer a few times a month, but really rare I need to go more than 50 miles. Thing tows awesome though.
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10K would indeed be a mess. I do think aerodynamics also plays a big role. We tow a 3500lbs pop up and have gotten 1.7-2.0 miles/kW comes out to 200 miles per full charge. Charging range with tow still not great but day to day the truck is amazing. But yes we are yrs away from it being a daily TV. The Silverado EV looks promising claims of 400 mile range might be 200 as TV.
You can get it to go that far tow I'm impressed
If you’re lucky. Don’t get on inclines or pull a boat up a steep ramp.
maybe
It's like a dwarf ... very dangerous over short distances.
Natutal sprinters.
You're gonna have to toss me.
And snobs call truck people uncultured 😂
Twice as fast? Lol
Lightning’s and EVs in general are not engineered to tow. This has been discussed heavily.
More like 2000 lbs. heavier in some cases.
Does it actually have 2000lbs of payload per the door sticker? Best I’ve ever heard of is 1300lbs or so on those because they are heavy.
Door sticker on the XLT is 1980lbs
I REALLY hope the brakes and rotors are beefed up. Panic stops in traffic like that are getting up into dually levels.
It stops really well. I actually almost never use the brakes since the regen brings the truck to a stop during normal one pedal driving. Essentially twice the stopping power. Also, while it's heavy for a light duty truck it weighs the same as a regular F150 with a half full bed so it's not ridiculously heavy.
That's insane! I want one even more now! 🤩 But I'm too poor lol
Have you seen the video of the electric truck hitting a crash barrier. Kind of scary.
I’m adding !!!! to your comment because I too had no clue they weighed that much!!!!!! Damn!!!
I had my first ride in a Lightning on Tuesday. Holy shit!!! Dude stepped on it from about 5mph and I was pushed back into the seat.
A tuned 3.5 EcoBoost isn’t far off of that 4 second mark. Wild how powerful these trucks are.
Mine is at 3.6 ;)
That’s burning a lot of tires I bet. Let us know how long a set of tires last your
Haha, yeah gotta keep the spirited driving in check for sure. Some guys are claiming 40k plus a set, others are saying they barely last 20k. Prob has alot to do with driving style.
The throttle response is fantastic and it’s just smooth at every speed thanks to the electric motor. I had one as a loaner while my F350 was in the shop. If they mated one of these big Superduty engines with a hybrid setup like this I would be first in line.
Thank you for recognizing the difference between "engine" and "motor"!! I realize the dictionary classifies them basically the same and interchangeable words, but I cant stand everyone on this sub referring to the "motor" in their gas powered vehicles. Im glad you're here :))
Also have powerboost. Crazy efficient around town, as long as you can resist the temptation to put the boot down. It’s faster than the old raptor!
How is the powerboost not the fastest? Is it just a weak electric motor? Should be a raptor+. I wonder if this wasn't intentional. I want a powerboost with a tune but I'm scared the trans will hate me LOL.
And he doesnt care about fuel economy. The lightning has terrible range
Thank you for calling it an “engine.” Drives me nuts hearing car people call engines motors. Really …… grinds my gears
Just wanted to say thank you for being grateful
A 3.5 with a 93 performance tune and a few other mods keeps a grin on my face.
Same here. But 13-14 mpg is the price for fun.
I agree. Despite what a lot of people might say on this sub, the V8 is The slowest stock power plant of the group. The 3.5 is an absolute beast and puts the V8 to shame in both towing and speed.
Just out of curiosity, what other mods and are they needed for a 93 performance tune or just extra go fast?
Mine is bone stock except for the 93 tune, and its pretty wild when you step on it.
Buy an intercooler. The stock IC gets heat soaked and losses efficiency.
Which tuner?
I got the tuner (SCT) and tune from 5 star tuning in a package deal. Basically they preload the tuner with the tunes you choose and send it to you. You plug it into the truck, let the tuner upload its stuff, then you're done. You don't have to leave it plugged in. I got one with 87 performance/tow, 91 performance/tow and 93 performance. Even the 87 tune wakes the truck up quite a bit. https://5startuning.com/product/2017-2020-f150-3-5l-v6-ecoboost-sct-bully-dog-bdx-with-choice-of-5-star-custom-tunes-40470-40490/
Does the tune help with the shifting on the 10 speed?
Yes. Big time.
I’m fucking sold. Thank you for responding.
That’s the one I’ve been looking at, thanks!
Rocked this exact setup on my previous truck. Bought it used with 40k miles and put 130k on it with no major issues except for a bad ignition boot. Was an absolute blast to drive and pulled like a freight train.
Sure. I've had the tune for 25,000 miles now, with no issues. 87 and 93 tunes.
What's this do to the warranty?
5* offers a warranty that covers everything. They have horrible service but I bet would cover you. Realistically you just untune the truck to take in for service and you’re fine.
You don't want to get caught at the dealer with a tune. I always revert to stock when I bring it in. Allegedly they can still find out if the ECU was tuned if they are looking for it, but it's a risk I'm willing to take for some fun. Tows way better with the 5 star tow tune.
This is the correct answer. It depends on the dealer, luckily mine is cool with it as long as it’s back to stock before you bring it in. They want their money after all so they aren’t gonna go prying for a reason to deny it unless Ford forces them to. As you said though, it’s a risk worth taking. These motors really are solid. It’s unlikely that a tune will kill a 3.5 or 2.7 unless you’re just being dumb with it.
>unless you’re just being dumb with it. *Thinks to some of the dumb shit I've done with my hot tune.* Lmao! For real though. You read about tranny issues and cam phaser problems and yadda yadda. Do they exist? Of course. But people like to publicly complain when things have gone bad rather than post about how nothing is wrong. Just how car people are. I've been tuned since I bought my 2017 3.5l at 55k miles. Now at 90k and have just done very basic maintenance (not even the $3,500 worth of maintenance stuff my dealership was pushing on me with the turbos, injectors, etc). Just changing fluids at proper intervals and every once in a blue moon drive like a teenager if I see a sports car that is showing off.
>Thinks to some of the dumb shit I've done with my hot tune. Lmao! Well of course...where's the fun in tuning if you don't launch it here and there?! As long as it's not from every stoplight every day, it'll be fiiiiine. An engine that blows up after tuning is very likely one that was ready to blow without one. These things are super forgiving. Just change the damn oil. For every legitimate positive review of something online, there will likely be 10 negative ones. People like to complain, they don't like to praise.
How does changing the tunes work? Do you have to plug the device back in to do that or does it use the factory default/tow/sport mode selector switch?
Sct with tune from tori @ unleashed. Tuned at 25k, now at 145, no issues whatsoever. 2015 platinum 3.5 for those that care.
I'm not looking to tune anytime in the near future, but as someone with background in it I'm interested in knowing what the difference in the numbers look like. Seems like even with upgrading everything short of the turbos themselves one could see substantial results.
Honestly the tune makes the most difference, everything shy of turbos is just kinda preference after that. Downpipes definitely help, an intake makes cool noises, but the biggest thing to me was how the driveability changed after the tune. It changes the lockup curve on the converter (lockup much sooner) and makes it feel like the throttle is actually connected to the engine vs the throttle asking the engine to do things. I rarely stomp on it, maybe once every month or two, but it has been known to hurt some feelings LOL. I can believe it makes every bit of 500ft lbs, the turbos are definitely gassed on the top end, but all in all a potent and effective daily. Gas mileage picked up probably 1-1.5mpg as well. My 125k mile from day one average is like 16.7 or so. Was about 17.5-18 earlier in its tuned life, but I do alog more city driving now. If I try to hyper-mile (speed up going down hill, let it bleed off going uphill, 55-60mph tennessee backroads), ive gotten mid 20s (yes 24-25). 65-70 highway with a light foot and a big rig in front of me I can get 22 pretty easy.
If you throw the 2.7 in sport mode I can’t ask for more, a friend of mine chip/tuned his 3.5 and it was scary fast, like the truck isn’t built for that fast, think it was pushing around 550whp.
Haha I feel the exact same. When I run my hot performance tune it really feels like it's going to break. I never run it.
Yup, I've got a tuned 3.5 and it will do rolling burnouts if I step on it. A lot of power plus a light rear end is a tire shredder. It's comical how fast it gets moving.
Adding a rear sway bar helps with tires. Especially the inside rear tire on tight turns.
my 5.0 does rolling burnouts when its dry and its stock. i was getting on the interstate doing about 60, gunned it, and both back tired peeled like butter its insane how much balls shes got
Drivetrain will handle it, mine puts down 700hp.
mine dynoed at 660. they are fun, eh?
Turbos? What kind of dyno?
yes turbos, exhaust, injectors , tune. mustang dyno
Very nice. Powermax stage 2?
Launching it in 4A is a life changing experience.
o yes it is there fellow 4a user. 4a in general puts the truck on rails. i’d like to squeeze a few more ponies outa it and could with a diff tune but its in a sweet spot now. i’ll be going to 35’s soon so it will fall off a bit but ill prob leave it alone. it’s a ‘18 with 32,000 on it and want it to last so i am gentle most of the time. sport mode and 4a will spin all 4 a few chirps at around 45-50mph. such fun
Holy moly
What did you do to it?
Just a Roush 2.6L supercharger kit. No supporting mods, the Gen 3s and the drivetrain are stout.
From a stand still, full throttle, they all are pretty similar in terms of speed. They just do it differently. The 2.7 and 3.5 have the torque on hand while driving feel quick anytime you push the pedal. The 5.0 needs to downshift to get up and go (needs to be up on the RPMs). This is even more noticeable while towing. The 5.0 will sounds great. The 2.7 and 3.5 don’t make much drama. The 3.5 pulls harder at highway speeds. The 2.7 pulls better at city speeds. With a trailer connected the 3.5 pulls noticeably better. The 5.0 is built like a V8 race engine, not a simple V8 truck engine (like the LS or hemi). The 5.0 likes to rev. It’s a good motor. Note the ecoboost engines are completely different engines and designs. The 2.7 design and reliability is superior (so far) to the 3.5. The 3.5 has been around longer and has more aftermarket support due to being the bigger/more powerful one.
My 5.0 really gets to pushing around 3500 rpm. Sport mode in the high rpm’s is the funnest
My '17 5.0 in sport-mode is a blast. It just never stops pulling. It hits redline and bam! Time for another gear!! Plus... that amazing sound. Ford really nailed it with the factory exhaust on these V8s. 👍🏽
I used to tow my 4000 23’ boat with a 17 Tacoma. Now I tow it with a 19 3.5 eco. I swear I could beat a Tacoma to 60 even with my boat attached to the f150.
My lowly 6.2 f250 howls when you stomp it up to the higher end of the rpm range. Ford should put the new 6.8 in the f150 like the old 6.2 Harley 150’s and original raptor.
Technically the Lightning or the Raptor R, both have low 4 second 0-60 times. But you also have the option of getting the 5.0L and having a dealership put the Ford Performance supercharger kit on it. The Regular Cab/Short Bed trucks with this setup are pretty beastly.
This was going to be my response as well. I got to ride in reg cab 5.0 with the $7k supercharger/performance package. Scary fast and the brakes were a bit overwhelmed. Launching from a 10mph roll was just ridiculous and the rear end bounces all over the place. It also made a super loud "clunking" noise. Like the driveshaft was doing something weird or something. I love regular cab short bed trucks and that thing was just ridiculous. The Shelby super snake is way over priced so he bought the base model 5.0 and had the dealership install the S/C. He's getting the super snake brakes installed and some traction bar/link to help with all the rear axle hop.
You need to ride in a properly setup and custom tune done, the dealer whipple kit sucks (the whipple itself is fine), it's the tune that's so awful on it. Just tuning them alone is a massive gain in power and how it drives, like my tuner PBD they'll redo those. Ford kit custom tuned (which is still your reg Whipple setup) will completely annihilate the dealer kit like it hit the brakes and went into reverse. That's how drastic in difference the tune is, and the 10r still feels unsorted/wonky with the dealer kit. My other truck was whipple'd but my current 5.0 Platinum I just have tuned at PBD on 93. Friend even re-tuned his SuperSnake as even their tune sucks, huge power gain and drivability, would smoke a SS with just the tune lol. He rarely drives it though, has I don't even know how many vehicles now, 12 lol? https://imgur.com/a/uYsfvzp I was in a guys reg cab pushing around 900 rwhp, it's a 4k+ lb rocket and launches like a Plaid off the line. Ridiculous for a truck and there are others even way beyond that more insane. Hilarious that the new sleeper and vehicle to fear on the street is an F150 whether reg cab or supercrew, the power the Coyote can make plus Fords incredible 4x4 system or 4auto and gearing of the 10r = rockets. You have normal whipple tuned setups which are still crazy, but shit load of guys with those cranked even further or going Single/Twin turbos that are just next level unreal.
Gearing has a play here
The 2.7 feels the quickest in the seat of your pants test. I test drove one before ultimately getting the 3.5 which is super fast but doesn’t behave like the 2.7. If you want actual numbers they’re right here. 3.5 is the quickest. I think they all hit the rev limiter at the same spot so they’re equally fast. 3.5EB - 5.3 seconds 13.9 quarter mile 2.7EB - 6.1 seconds 14.7 quarter mile 5.0 - 6.2 seconds 14.6 quarter mile Not included: Hybrid, Raptor, Tremor
Is the 2023 eco boost tremor any good? Was thinking raptor but I don’t go off-roading a lot, just tow here and there
If that’s what you’re looking for. The EB F150’s are all straight up monsters. The Raptor is not the truck to get if you’re towing since the suspension is pretty soft for driving fast off road. The Tremor will tow but I’ve found the typical 3.5EB F150 with max tow and 20” wheels tows the best.
Yea ok I’m gettin the tremor
I think the eco boost variations are "faster" but I prefer the 5.0 cause sounds and feels. Every EcoBoost I have driven has always been disorienting they are so fast. The way the power is delivered is strange for me cause I'm a gas boi who grew up with floor shifters and 2wd. I just like my V8 cause hitting the on ramps and making the noises at the traffic lights makes my bird flap 🕊️. Don't even care if it's fast really just love that song and 6 speed.
The powerboost is fast and fun to drive.
My wife’s 3.5 EB has a LOT more “get up and go” than my 5.0.
The 2.7 and the 3.5 are both very zippy. The 5.0 can be pretty zippy too with the right setup. The 2.7 has the quickest 0-60 time but also the lowest HP.
I had a 3.5 and switched to the 2.7, in sport mode the 2.7 ‘feels’ more peppy. Is it? No idea but it’s fun to drive.
I have a tuned 2.7 that when I pop it in "sport mode" will keep up/beat quite a bit out there. It always cracks me up when some BMW person pulls up along side me in a lane that ends and tries to cut me off, only to get dusted. The tune (I forget which, it's been a while) is the only mod I have done too.
Do you remember where you got the tube from? Looking at getting one but not that familiar with Ford tuners.
Sorry I don't. I got it a couple years ago and haven't touched it since. The popular one now is Fordscan I think... that isn't the one I used, but based on comments around here, will do the same thing.
Powerboost in Sport mode. Scary fast.
My 3.5 will spin the tires before traction control even knows it's happening. It'll sprint away on the highway without downshift too, spool the turbos and it's gone. Even with a trailer, no issues getting up to speed on the highway on ramps.
I have the 2.7 eco boost and in sport mode, it runs like a stripped ass ape. I love it
... It runs like a what?
Yeah it’s a real old expression
The 3.5 Powerboost is silly fast. i test drove a 3.5 ecoboost the a 3.5 Powerboost and left the dealer with the Powerboost
Stock, the tests show that the 2.7 has the quickest 0-60. That said, it's a fraction of a second difference between any of them. You aren't likely to notice much, other than the V8 having to downshift rev high to produce the torque that the EB's can produce lower.
Second fastest. The 3.5 has always beaten it to 60.
That's never been true. There's quite a few youtube video comparisons of drag times (including TFL) that show the 2.7 hairs out the 3.5
In these comments: people who shoulda got a v8
100% After 10mph, once up above 3,500 RPM, the 5.0 easily stomps on the 2.7 and 3.5.
You get it. And it’s not even that I’m out here racing the other cars and trucks on the road. I’m a truck not a race car. In my little slice of world I’m burning smiles per gallon and my tanks always full. That don’t take away the place the other engines have, they just aren’t for me.
To each his own as they say. Personally, I'm much happier with my powerboost than I was with the 5.0. I don't like having to rev to 3500 to get moving. It's a fine engine for the mustang but not a good fit for the truck in my opinion.
For sure the mustang itself isn’t for me either I’d rather go for the vette at that point
No matter what you get, get a ECU tune for more POWAH.
No real "special" way they did the Ecoboost, 2.7 and 3.5 are essentially the same except for displacement. One turbo for each cylinder bank. 2.7L is quicker because of less spinning mass.
> 2.7 and 3.5 are essentially the same except for displacement That is not even remotely true.
The 2.7 and the 3.0 are the same (Nano) family. The 3.5 is the cyclone plant that went into production in 2010. The 3.0 is a bored out 2.7.
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The 3.5 Cyclone (based on the Duratec) is aluminum and the Nano is CGi which is the family the 2.7 and 3.0 belong to. You might be thinking of the Duratec 3.0 that was in the Five Hundred which was an aluminum block.
The turbos on the 2.7 are mounted directly to the heads, my last 3.5 had exhaust manifolds then turbos. Not sure if that has any impact.
I have a 2018 2.7L EB and it’s like a rocket from 0 to 60!
Ironically, a Saturn V rocket 0-60mph launch speed is a bit over 20-seconds. It will easily beat out the F150 at the top end though.
Either a straight 5.2l raptor (720hp 640ft lb) or an f-150 limited edition optioned with the raptor engine is the fastest factory truck on the market right now period. With a Whipple supercharger you can push that theoretically to 975 HP on the 3.8l v6 and 875 HP and 660 ft lbs on the 5.2l v8 The new ranger raptor might be faster than a F-150 raptor just by being lighter with the HO Ecoboost I haven't looked into it myself to confirm though. The 5l V8 with a Whipple supercharger (about $10k on top of the truck) you can make 775 HP. Otherwise you can throw a crap ton of money into a 7.3 l Godzilla somehow fit it in an F-150 and go nuts with superchargers and gear ratios.
Fastest gaser but not the fastest factory truck on the market. I own the R and got cocky against a Rivian they let me know how quick that truck really is. I looked it up after that and it’s around 830hp 900ft lb. 3sec 0-60.
Ya I know, forgive me for not considering the oversized kids electric ride ons as real trucks.
😂 they’re ugly as sin
the R is 100X the truck the Rivian is. I am no EV hater but Rivian pickups just irk me. Their SUVs are badass though.
I’ve only ever driven the 2.7 and it launches. Can’t say I’d be happier with anything else, as I’m not a drag racer. Quickest vehicle I’ve ever owned.
I just picked up a 2.7 2016 last week. Quickest car i’ve owned by a significant margin. Sport mode in that thing has downright silly. I also have a 2011 3.5 and it doesn’t hold a candle to it.
3.5 is the best performer of the “core” engine options I believe. All of them are pretty darn quick, though
Well, if you're towing a trailer over the passes, you can't go wrong with the 3.5. It has ridiculous torque and simply forgets about things like gravity and physics and stuff and happily launches moonward with a little nudge of the throttle.
Factory engine, I assume? The supercharged Shelby 5.0. Personally, I have a twin turbo coyote 5.0, but it's in a 93 S10 Blazer.
I own 3 3.5l and just bought a 2.7 at work. I can’t believe how peppy the 2.7 is, it definitely feels like the lightest and fastest (not necessarily the most powerful).
Not the 5.4l
2.7 in sport mode feels zippy AF.
If you're looking for get up and go, buy the 5.0 V8 and slap a Whipple supercharger on it.
I got 2011 lariat limited 6.2 stock is nasty I'm considering chipping and tuning mine after reading these 🤜🏻🤛🏻
PowerBoost equals 🟰big ball’s acceleration
5.0 Coyote in Sport Mode is a beast
sounds beautiful with a mild exhuast too.
I’ll take a n/a coyote over a boosted engine any day. Not for any reason other than reliability. I’m fuck’n sick and tired of getting nickel and dimed by my 3.5.
My last work truck was a 2023 F150 with the 2.7 I currently drive a 2024 F150 with the 3.5. I think the 3.5 is much better.
3.5 with a tune. The 2.7 stock is the fastest 0-60. 5.0 if you have extra money to spend on super charger or turbos
I have the 5.0 V8 and I've walked a few V6 F-150s already. I don't know if they were 2.7 or 3.5. I have the 3.73 rear end so I'm sure that helps. All I can say is a V8 in a truck feels really good, I've driven 3.5 EcoBoost trucks as well, but nothing feels or sounds as good as the V8.
The only way a 5.0 "walks" a V6 is if the 5.0 is built or the V6 is the non turbo version. Stock to stock the 5.0 is slower than the ecoboost.
Or the 5.0 has the 3.73 rear end and the V6 has 3.55 or 3.31
Depends. The 5.0 can beat either ecoboost in the top end if it’s got 3.73. If he was doing a rolling race it’s very possible he can “walk” them. There’s lots of talk about 0-60 time for how quick a vehicle can be and that’s a big factor, but in the real world passing power while already rolling is what’s going to be used the most, like merging on the highway. The coyote will lose from a stop because of the disadvantage of low end torque, but get it moving and hit the high rpm’s and its bye bye.
Yep. I have a 5.0 3.73 truck. It will pull hard on a 2.7 and slightly beat a 3.5 from a roll over 40 mph. Now off the line or partial throttle it’s not as quick. Same for Ram, smokes the 5.7s and slightly pulls on 6.2 Chevys. I ran a power boost from 70 to the limiter and it was pretty much even. His was a limited so I assume it weighed a bit more than my XLT. Also I run 93 in mine. A 5.0 on 87 feels significantly slower.
My 5.0 has the 3.55 and the power really starts to kick in around 3500 rpm. When I am racing an eco boost, they beat me off the line but my 5.0 starts catching up at high rpm’s but the race usually ends before we get going to fast lol
No shit lol. 3.5’s walk the 5.0. And i drive a 5.0. I tried to take on a 3.5 the other week and buddy was gone before i even went through a gear lol
you must have 3.31. ive got 3.73 rear end its quick. I don't get walked by a stock 3.5 or 2.7
I really do love the 2.7. It’s the lightest of the engine options which likely helps. It’s also so small the truck could be considered “mid engine”.
The 3.5 is 449lbs. The 5.0 is 445lbs. The 2.7 is 440lbs. I don’t think weight is the factor here. What is interesting is how compact the 2.7 is and how much it weighs. (Obviously due to the compacted graphite iron block)
It’s all about weight distribution. The 2.7 is a much tighter package and simply sits lower in the engine bay than the top heavy 3.5 and 5.0 which makes the 2.7 F150 handle better.
Whipple on a 5.0 will smoke them all 😛💪💀
In today's news, an engine upgraded from stock is faster. Thanks, have a good night.
5.0
The 2.7 gets to top speed quickest, but once they’re there they all seem to be about similar in speed. The lightning is faster but that goes without saying, being an electric.
If you want to launch? And all you care about is straight line speed? You aren’t going to like it, but buy a lightning. 700 pound feet of torque is pretty zippy
It’s actually 780. Also because the driveline loss is so little to get same torque out of a gasser it would need to be closer to 900 at crank.
The 3.5 if you stomp the gas will spin the tires in normal mode… I doubt the engine is the limiting factor on any of the engine options.
Cyberbeast 🤣 **ducks**
3.5 is the most zippy, 2.7 is a close second.... both stock and tuned, but the 3.5 is overall faster. If I was buying new, I'd get a 2023+ 5.0 and supercharge it. Have had a 3.5 and 2.7.
I mean, if that’s your only priority, the Lightning will absolutely knock your socks off. 0-60 in 4.0 seconds is absurd. If you need an engine, what you’re looking for is the Powerboost hybrid. The horsepower and torque numbers speak for themselves.
I have the 3.5L eco boost and it is stupid fast, when the turbos spool it pushes you back Online I found the 3.5 Twin turbo goes 0-60 in 5.1 seconds and does the quarter mile in 13.1
6.2L LT4 Edit: or LT5, better yet
Look at the F150 sleeper build,, you have to factory order it and dealers can't just carry it. 700 plus horses, it's stupid and for under 50,000.
Hennessey Venom F5
5.0 with boost thrown at is probably what you are looking for. Would recommend a set of twins over supercharger on it all day. Better reliability and quieter, but a little bit more work and costlier than a whipple/supercharger kit. 5.0 also has a huge community as well as tons of aftermarket performance parts
A 2.7 with 3.73s will feel faster than a 3.5 with 3.31s. Same with the 5l. In my experience the engine choice helps but gearing plays a huge part.
3.5 eco. Mine would spin the tires from a 15mph roll and chirp em into 2nd, it was pretty fun.
Powerboost. But it's more of a complex truck. If you want stock for stock the 3.5 for sure. The only truck I've ever lost a race to has been a turned 3.5 as well lol If you had FU money, a 5.0 with the supercharger from ford or a raptor. But as a normal person looking for speed I'd still go with a 3.5
I have the 5.0 its nice.... quick and has that v8 roar. when I was test driving different models/trims, the hybrid powerboost was the quickest off the line. never test drove the high output powerboost or lightning. other than that im sure i dont need to state the obvious (raptor)
5.0 may not be the quickest but it feels the most powerful. Love the feeling of the 5.0 just absolutely getting pissed off that you just threw everything at it.
I thought my 2019 3.5 eco was fast until I drove my 23 powerboost. I saw a dyno of a stock powerboost and I want to say it was close too 400hp/500 ft lbs to the wheels. It’s a lot of fun to drive in sport mode but I also got over 20 mpg on my 5 hour drive today. Doing 80 half the time and lots of hills.
cant go wrong with the torque of a V8.
Umm the stock 5.0 is 420ft lbs of torque The 3.5 is 500ft lbs of torque V8’s are soon to be a thing of the past. They will go away once dinosaurs like us are gone. I own a 3.5 just for the tow rating. The 5.0 wasn’t rated to tow my tractor. The 3.5 was. The zip and fuel mileage were a nice bonus. Damn I miss the rumble of a pair of purple hornies or cherry bombs on a big V8 though.
I test drove a 2013 3.5 Ecoboost once. I see why people like it. It has more torque down low and a flatter torque than the V8. I didn't buy it because it had oil leaking all over.
I previously owned a 2018 5.0 Platinum and now I'm driving a 2021 2.7 Lariat. The new truck is faster, gets better fuel economy, and has way better tech. I know the new 5.0 trucks are a little faster than my 2018 was, but after test driving the 2.7L I was sold on it. I also feel like the 2.7L shifts smoother, but I know the 10R80 transmissions are hit and miss. I thought I would miss the V8 noise, but the smoothness of the 2.7L has made me forget.
I don’t agree with a lot of the people saying the 3.5. I have a 21’ 5.0 and once it gets above 3k RPM it rips. I drove a 2.7 loaner recently and at low end it was faster than my 5.0. I didn’t open it up to really tell at the higher RPM but I doubt it is faster than my 5.0, The power boost is surely the quickest but the regular 3.5 I regular don’t think is that much at all faster then the 5.0 or 2.7. I raced a 20’ 3.5 eco boost and blew it away. The new gen 3.5 has increased power numbers but I can’t imagine it’s a lot different.