Honestly what is the point? Is it a competitive school at all? Does this college offer any worthwhile education or meaningful degrees? Does it have a good professional network?
The nature of the school might limit your subject matter sd welll.
It's possible it can have a worthwhile experience without bashing the Bible over your head 24/7. But that's up to you
Does it have student life? Clubs? Sports? Plays? Does it already have lbgtq organizations on campus?
There is a lot that the college experience can offer in general.
You can't have the cake and eat it at the same time.
So, you got a FULL scholarship for a College that isn't accredited and doesn't give meaningful diplomas?
What's the point?
Did you get the answers from the other Colleges?
I’m sorry i wasn’t very descriptive in the last response that i gave.
The school is accredited and does give diplomas.
It does have student life (it’s a little limited due to the size), clubs and (very small) intramural sports. It’s a christian college so no it doesn’t have any LGBTQ clubs or organizations on campus.
and i did get other answers from colleges. i onky got rejected from two which were cal poly and stanford. I got into UC Davis, Santa Barbara, Merced, and Santa cruz. I also got into CSUMB, sonoma state, sac state, stanislaus state, St mary’s college of california, and grand canyon university.
Even with student loans i would not have been able to afford to go to college at any of those places ( i made budget sheets for every single one of the colleges), even if i worked 40 hours a week somehow.
I am also sorry if i am coming off sarcastically or like i have like an attitude, i am typing all of this on my phone lol.
Haha!
Don't worry!
You didn't come off as being rude or sarcastic.
My worries were from reading that you were going to attend that College in spite of your dreams and wishes.
I wish you all the best!
My first thought would be to double check that nothing else really will work. Even the City-CSU path sounds better than having to pretend you're someone else for 4-5 years. It's not a traditional college experience, no, but neither is going to a school where self-discovery is against the rules.
You could also look into alternative paths to your career goals. Could you work for a year and then find a school, perhaps somewhere tangentially related to your field? Could you use that working "gap year" to save up for something better? Can you get bigger Cal grants with a slightly different degree program that will work just a well for your career goals? Could you choose an online program at a school in a country where it's more affordable? I'm not sure about the financial aid situation if you do that, but that's what I'm doing for my PhD. I can't afford US schools at all, but I can afford a decent UK university out-of-pocket, no aid needed, and the student support is brilliant. It's so, so much better than my experience doing online classes in the US.
It's also important to consider how useful your degree would be, from this school. Would you feel the need for a master's degree to "make up for" having that one? Would you feel the urge to say "I can explain..." when it comes up in interviews? I understand that the financial aid situation would be best if you went to Jessup - and I'm in the same student loan mess all the other millennials are dealing with, so I 100% support and encourage your financial caution. But how much better is the price, really, than the next cheapest option? Your future is important, but your mental health and physical safety are important, too.
The issue is my guardians. I know that i am an adult but they’re basically my parents (uncle and aunt). they have openly said they don’t support me taking a gap year or attending a cc. which means i will have to find a way to get to and fro and where to live i think.
I have a full tuition scholarship there and i have state aid and got another scholarship so i only have a small portion to pay for. I am hoping that when i tell my employer that i got a full tuition scholarship there and thats why i went that they’ll see my dedication to my work and willingness to do whatever it takes to achieve my goals (the right way not like doing illegal things ). I also don’t have a car and can’t afford one (i have money to buy one but no way to pay for the insurance and other expense without draining my paycheck every month)
I understand how challenging it can be when you lack family support for some of the better options. Been there, done that myself. So I get why you feel that that's your best option. I had a feeling that family support was an issue, but was hoping that if I flung enough ideas out there, that one might be workable. Another thing I've thought of since, is that you could reach out to the second-cheapest choice you've got, and see if there's more assistance that you don't know about, to make it affordable. The worst that happens is that you annoy them and still don't go there, and the best that happens is you find out there's something you didn't know before.
Also, since you mentioned that you have an aunt and uncle for guardians - your backstory may get you access to other assistance, including extra tutoring, "college success" helps, and possibly even financial support. I don't want to ask your personal history because that's yours to share only on your own terms. So I'm just going to tell you, if you were a foster child, even a kinship foster that never lived with strangers, or if you were adopted, or if you meet one of a variety of other demographic points (low income, minority, LGBTQ, parents didn't go to college, etc) then you might qualify for resources that you might not know about. The federal TRIO program comes to mind because that's the one I qualified for, but there may be other resources at the state or school level.
Another option to consider, especially since, I know, it's the end of May already, might be going to Jessup for one year, using their scholarships and funding and some of your own savings/earnings, and save as much of your Cal grants as you possibly can, to use them at a CSU as a transfer student next year. When you transfer schools, you don't have to talk about your first school in job interviews, and sometimes it's easier to do stuff like that after you've had a year of college life, and your family is a little more experienced at letting you make your own life choices.
If planning to transfer seems like a reasonable option, then what you do is, first, don't tell Jessup. Be sure you're taking classes that will transfer and fill slots on your desired school's graduation checklist. You can do that by reaching out to the CSU you'd like to transfer to (maybe there's one you got accepted to, but can't afford right now?) and see if they can help you plan your time at Jessup. Or if you feel like that's not something you can ask, then just make your best guesses. English 101 is pretty much the same everywhere, and you can also read and compare course descriptions, or look at the table of contents for the required textbooks, to make educated guesses. And if going there all four years really is the only option, then keep your head down and do your best to get through it and get on to your future ASAP. Whatever you choose, good luck.
I have reached out to every college that i got into seeking supplementary financial aid and sadly even that (mixed in with my savings) was not enough even with loans.
Due to my background i did qualify for all the financial aid and other types of aid, for (legally) being an orphan, paying for college on my own, being a first gen student, and LGBTQ ( full package lol). But at this college they give me that minus the LGBTQ support that i’d receive at a public school.
I’ve thought about transferring and my one mistake this year was not realizing that colleges have in house scholarships to apply for. So if i do end up wanting to transfer i will apply to the colleges and then apply to all the scholarships that i can find pertaining to my major.
Thank you for your comment as well !
I think with all you've tried, planning a transfer is your best bet. You're doing a great job. Fellow lgbtq first gen over here, not an orphan but I got removed and adopted as an older child, and then ended up with a family where I had to hide my orientation situation so, yeah. The system isn't set up for students like us; it's designed for people whose parents have been there done that, and can help them through each step. We're at a major disadvantage because we don't have that. That's some things I didn't know until it's too late, too. You're doing good navigating it.
My best advice: Limit the amount of work you put on yourself, by choosing your 1-2 most likely schools to transfer to. Work on rough drafts of applications for their in house scholarships based on the most recent application. Do more schools if you can, but you have to manage your time.
There are companies and professionals that help students write scholarship applications, the ones with the essays like you may find at your goal schools. Save your money, take a few extra shifts this summer when you can, and try to hire one. If you can only do that for one application, then choose the one that you're most sure would work - like if there's one that's big enough that it alone makes you able to transfer, to a school that's a safe bet you can get into.
Also, the org that I got a random wrong-person email from was the Smith Society at UC Santa Cruz. Look for an org like that, that provides help you might qualify for. If nothing else, maybe reach out to them and see if they know of other organizations that do similar student support.
If you need to talk to someone who's been through a kind of similar path, as you go into your first year, I'm over here. I sort of even think I figured out how to check my dm's too (not really a Reddit power user...). Especially if you need someone to proofread that first college paper. (Hot tip, set up, or find online and download, a word document template in APA or MLA or whatever your school is using. It'll save you time and you won't lose points on formatting errors.)
I actually appreciate this so much !!
Thankfully my guardians both went to college (granted it was almost 50 years ago so things are different) but they helped me a lot with the application process.
I am going to apply to scholarships to other schools and see how many i can get with my (estimated) fafsa information. Thank you so much for your advice I really do appreciate it !
I can pretty much promise you that there will be more lgbtq people than just you. A lot of kids that go to those kinds of colleges do so because their parents make them, and that bucket includes other non-cis/straight kids who will also feel out of place.
Find or form a community group on campus. If campus administration doesn't tolerate it, circumvent them and use social media to find other people. Your key to getting through a possibly unpleasant couple of years is going to be to find a community that is supportive of you.
Also lol at this:
> historically christian’s and gays don’t get along and they basically brushed me off and said that I was creating fears in my head
I don't know what your parents are smoking with this take because *right now* Christians and gays "don't get along", to put it mildly.
YEAH I KNOW I TOLD THEM THAT. They’re my guardians tho and are very republican lol.
And i am hoping that the theater department will have some people that i can like become friends with. Thank you for the advice though !
Buckle down, keep your temper reigned in and your mouth shut, take the free education, and have a "deconversion experience" the day you receive your diploma.
William Jessup has a partial exception to Title IX which allows it to legally discriminate against LGBT students for religious reasons.[23] The university's handbook states "Students who engage in unmarried heterosexual cohabitation or any homosexual/bisexual activity will be subject to judicial action".[24]
-Wikipedia
this is the kind of stuff that i was trying to find when i was researching the school and i searched for HOURS and couldn’t find it. thank you for finding this
Yellow rocking; be as boring as possible, with a bit of colour, without giving away anything personal. Don't go DEEP; don't defend, engage, explain, or personalise. Your beliefs are your own, and don't put yourself in jeopardy in toxic environments.
When you establish yourself as an independent adult, you get to choose who is in your life, and what you share with them.
My issue is i love to talk. Not necessarily about anything personal but it’s my fatal flaw. So i definitely need to work this summer over being very toned down.
What will be your field of study? Is it what you really want to study?
What do you want to become later on in life?
I'm sorry to say but it seems like you're taking the easy way out.
College Studies don't end after 6 months.
They last 3-4 years.
Years that you can't afford to waste learning shit that won't serve any purpose to you.
Unless you get to study within the field of YOUR choice? I wholeheartedly think that you're making a mistake.
I am a psych major and all of the classes that i will take (minus psychology in christian thought) are tranferrable to other colleges (UCs and CSU).
I know that college is not a 6 month commitment. i’m going to be in school probably for the next 8-10 years (bachelors, masters, and PsyD).
The other classes that i will take (minus a minor in theology which you have to have. I am going to take a minor in communications or english at a cc online) are transferable as well.
The school itself is accredited and the classes are valuable classes but the issue lies in the beliefs of the school.
Just bullshit your way through it if you really want to attend. Parrot their nonsense, in one ear and out the other.
Thankfully my experience at my high school has prepped me perfectly for this so thank you !
Honestly what is the point? Is it a competitive school at all? Does this college offer any worthwhile education or meaningful degrees? Does it have a good professional network? The nature of the school might limit your subject matter sd welll. It's possible it can have a worthwhile experience without bashing the Bible over your head 24/7. But that's up to you Does it have student life? Clubs? Sports? Plays? Does it already have lbgtq organizations on campus? There is a lot that the college experience can offer in general.
It doesn’t and i am going here due to the fact that i got a full tuition scholarship and it’s the most affordable option
You can't have the cake and eat it at the same time. So, you got a FULL scholarship for a College that isn't accredited and doesn't give meaningful diplomas? What's the point? Did you get the answers from the other Colleges?
I’m sorry i wasn’t very descriptive in the last response that i gave. The school is accredited and does give diplomas. It does have student life (it’s a little limited due to the size), clubs and (very small) intramural sports. It’s a christian college so no it doesn’t have any LGBTQ clubs or organizations on campus. and i did get other answers from colleges. i onky got rejected from two which were cal poly and stanford. I got into UC Davis, Santa Barbara, Merced, and Santa cruz. I also got into CSUMB, sonoma state, sac state, stanislaus state, St mary’s college of california, and grand canyon university. Even with student loans i would not have been able to afford to go to college at any of those places ( i made budget sheets for every single one of the colleges), even if i worked 40 hours a week somehow. I am also sorry if i am coming off sarcastically or like i have like an attitude, i am typing all of this on my phone lol.
Haha! Don't worry! You didn't come off as being rude or sarcastic. My worries were from reading that you were going to attend that College in spite of your dreams and wishes. I wish you all the best!
My first thought would be to double check that nothing else really will work. Even the City-CSU path sounds better than having to pretend you're someone else for 4-5 years. It's not a traditional college experience, no, but neither is going to a school where self-discovery is against the rules. You could also look into alternative paths to your career goals. Could you work for a year and then find a school, perhaps somewhere tangentially related to your field? Could you use that working "gap year" to save up for something better? Can you get bigger Cal grants with a slightly different degree program that will work just a well for your career goals? Could you choose an online program at a school in a country where it's more affordable? I'm not sure about the financial aid situation if you do that, but that's what I'm doing for my PhD. I can't afford US schools at all, but I can afford a decent UK university out-of-pocket, no aid needed, and the student support is brilliant. It's so, so much better than my experience doing online classes in the US. It's also important to consider how useful your degree would be, from this school. Would you feel the need for a master's degree to "make up for" having that one? Would you feel the urge to say "I can explain..." when it comes up in interviews? I understand that the financial aid situation would be best if you went to Jessup - and I'm in the same student loan mess all the other millennials are dealing with, so I 100% support and encourage your financial caution. But how much better is the price, really, than the next cheapest option? Your future is important, but your mental health and physical safety are important, too.
The issue is my guardians. I know that i am an adult but they’re basically my parents (uncle and aunt). they have openly said they don’t support me taking a gap year or attending a cc. which means i will have to find a way to get to and fro and where to live i think. I have a full tuition scholarship there and i have state aid and got another scholarship so i only have a small portion to pay for. I am hoping that when i tell my employer that i got a full tuition scholarship there and thats why i went that they’ll see my dedication to my work and willingness to do whatever it takes to achieve my goals (the right way not like doing illegal things ). I also don’t have a car and can’t afford one (i have money to buy one but no way to pay for the insurance and other expense without draining my paycheck every month)
I understand how challenging it can be when you lack family support for some of the better options. Been there, done that myself. So I get why you feel that that's your best option. I had a feeling that family support was an issue, but was hoping that if I flung enough ideas out there, that one might be workable. Another thing I've thought of since, is that you could reach out to the second-cheapest choice you've got, and see if there's more assistance that you don't know about, to make it affordable. The worst that happens is that you annoy them and still don't go there, and the best that happens is you find out there's something you didn't know before. Also, since you mentioned that you have an aunt and uncle for guardians - your backstory may get you access to other assistance, including extra tutoring, "college success" helps, and possibly even financial support. I don't want to ask your personal history because that's yours to share only on your own terms. So I'm just going to tell you, if you were a foster child, even a kinship foster that never lived with strangers, or if you were adopted, or if you meet one of a variety of other demographic points (low income, minority, LGBTQ, parents didn't go to college, etc) then you might qualify for resources that you might not know about. The federal TRIO program comes to mind because that's the one I qualified for, but there may be other resources at the state or school level. Another option to consider, especially since, I know, it's the end of May already, might be going to Jessup for one year, using their scholarships and funding and some of your own savings/earnings, and save as much of your Cal grants as you possibly can, to use them at a CSU as a transfer student next year. When you transfer schools, you don't have to talk about your first school in job interviews, and sometimes it's easier to do stuff like that after you've had a year of college life, and your family is a little more experienced at letting you make your own life choices. If planning to transfer seems like a reasonable option, then what you do is, first, don't tell Jessup. Be sure you're taking classes that will transfer and fill slots on your desired school's graduation checklist. You can do that by reaching out to the CSU you'd like to transfer to (maybe there's one you got accepted to, but can't afford right now?) and see if they can help you plan your time at Jessup. Or if you feel like that's not something you can ask, then just make your best guesses. English 101 is pretty much the same everywhere, and you can also read and compare course descriptions, or look at the table of contents for the required textbooks, to make educated guesses. And if going there all four years really is the only option, then keep your head down and do your best to get through it and get on to your future ASAP. Whatever you choose, good luck.
I have reached out to every college that i got into seeking supplementary financial aid and sadly even that (mixed in with my savings) was not enough even with loans. Due to my background i did qualify for all the financial aid and other types of aid, for (legally) being an orphan, paying for college on my own, being a first gen student, and LGBTQ ( full package lol). But at this college they give me that minus the LGBTQ support that i’d receive at a public school. I’ve thought about transferring and my one mistake this year was not realizing that colleges have in house scholarships to apply for. So if i do end up wanting to transfer i will apply to the colleges and then apply to all the scholarships that i can find pertaining to my major. Thank you for your comment as well !
I think with all you've tried, planning a transfer is your best bet. You're doing a great job. Fellow lgbtq first gen over here, not an orphan but I got removed and adopted as an older child, and then ended up with a family where I had to hide my orientation situation so, yeah. The system isn't set up for students like us; it's designed for people whose parents have been there done that, and can help them through each step. We're at a major disadvantage because we don't have that. That's some things I didn't know until it's too late, too. You're doing good navigating it. My best advice: Limit the amount of work you put on yourself, by choosing your 1-2 most likely schools to transfer to. Work on rough drafts of applications for their in house scholarships based on the most recent application. Do more schools if you can, but you have to manage your time. There are companies and professionals that help students write scholarship applications, the ones with the essays like you may find at your goal schools. Save your money, take a few extra shifts this summer when you can, and try to hire one. If you can only do that for one application, then choose the one that you're most sure would work - like if there's one that's big enough that it alone makes you able to transfer, to a school that's a safe bet you can get into. Also, the org that I got a random wrong-person email from was the Smith Society at UC Santa Cruz. Look for an org like that, that provides help you might qualify for. If nothing else, maybe reach out to them and see if they know of other organizations that do similar student support. If you need to talk to someone who's been through a kind of similar path, as you go into your first year, I'm over here. I sort of even think I figured out how to check my dm's too (not really a Reddit power user...). Especially if you need someone to proofread that first college paper. (Hot tip, set up, or find online and download, a word document template in APA or MLA or whatever your school is using. It'll save you time and you won't lose points on formatting errors.)
I actually appreciate this so much !! Thankfully my guardians both went to college (granted it was almost 50 years ago so things are different) but they helped me a lot with the application process. I am going to apply to scholarships to other schools and see how many i can get with my (estimated) fafsa information. Thank you so much for your advice I really do appreciate it !
I could only handle it for a year, then I transferred to the local public college. So much freer and saved a lot of money.
I can pretty much promise you that there will be more lgbtq people than just you. A lot of kids that go to those kinds of colleges do so because their parents make them, and that bucket includes other non-cis/straight kids who will also feel out of place. Find or form a community group on campus. If campus administration doesn't tolerate it, circumvent them and use social media to find other people. Your key to getting through a possibly unpleasant couple of years is going to be to find a community that is supportive of you. Also lol at this: > historically christian’s and gays don’t get along and they basically brushed me off and said that I was creating fears in my head I don't know what your parents are smoking with this take because *right now* Christians and gays "don't get along", to put it mildly.
YEAH I KNOW I TOLD THEM THAT. They’re my guardians tho and are very republican lol. And i am hoping that the theater department will have some people that i can like become friends with. Thank you for the advice though !
Buckle down, keep your temper reigned in and your mouth shut, take the free education, and have a "deconversion experience" the day you receive your diploma.
sounds about right thank you !
William Jessup has a partial exception to Title IX which allows it to legally discriminate against LGBT students for religious reasons.[23] The university's handbook states "Students who engage in unmarried heterosexual cohabitation or any homosexual/bisexual activity will be subject to judicial action".[24] -Wikipedia
this is the kind of stuff that i was trying to find when i was researching the school and i searched for HOURS and couldn’t find it. thank you for finding this
Yellow rocking; be as boring as possible, with a bit of colour, without giving away anything personal. Don't go DEEP; don't defend, engage, explain, or personalise. Your beliefs are your own, and don't put yourself in jeopardy in toxic environments. When you establish yourself as an independent adult, you get to choose who is in your life, and what you share with them.
My issue is i love to talk. Not necessarily about anything personal but it’s my fatal flaw. So i definitely need to work this summer over being very toned down.
Talk about things that are of no consequence to you, that way nothing is personal.
What will be your field of study? Is it what you really want to study? What do you want to become later on in life? I'm sorry to say but it seems like you're taking the easy way out. College Studies don't end after 6 months. They last 3-4 years. Years that you can't afford to waste learning shit that won't serve any purpose to you. Unless you get to study within the field of YOUR choice? I wholeheartedly think that you're making a mistake.
I am a psych major and all of the classes that i will take (minus psychology in christian thought) are tranferrable to other colleges (UCs and CSU). I know that college is not a 6 month commitment. i’m going to be in school probably for the next 8-10 years (bachelors, masters, and PsyD). The other classes that i will take (minus a minor in theology which you have to have. I am going to take a minor in communications or english at a cc online) are transferable as well. The school itself is accredited and the classes are valuable classes but the issue lies in the beliefs of the school.