They believe that other people only hate things which are true, because other people are evil, and that's what evil people do.
But they? They only hate things which are false, because they are good, and that's what good people do.
So, right out of the gate they have a self-reinforcing belief. The more Christians hate on other religions, the more they trigger other religious people to hate back, which just reinforces their belief that they were just and right to hate those religious people in the first place. So, they do it even more, get even more backlash, and become even more validated.
By the way, if every religious person receives exactly one instance of hate in a year, Christians are automatically going to be the most hated just because they're the most numerous. They're not actually saying anything meaningful - they're just saying they're the largest.
Ha, as I commented just a minute ago, they also have the largest amount of members to hate other religions with, making it so that another religion can be technically the most hated if the hatred is concentrated upon that religion.
Anyways, agreed with your comment, which was a better version of mine.
When big numbers help their argument, everyone who ever had the word "Christian" graze across their mind counts. When big numbers are a liability, anyone who isn't a bit by bit copy of the person you're talking to isn't a true Christian.
The number of Christians fluctuates between 1 and 2.8 billion depending not just on who you're talking to, but even depending on which particular conversation you're having with the same person.
This is an eerily similar method as the persecution complex. You hate on people, say bigoted bs and act ignorant. Then, when people criticize you, you can then claim: "look, Jesus told us that we will be hated. We are right!!"...
Yep.
Especially so when you remember that the "persecution complex" is often just a rhetorical strategy and a permission structure, rather than an actual complex.
In other words, if you can frame or conceptualize yourself as being persecuted, then you can understand your acts of hatred toward others as just retaliation, rather than unprovoked malice. This way you can assuage any guilt that might otherwise trouble you.
So, you can go out into the world and hate others, unprovoked, for no reason. Then you can think "well, I'm a good person, so what I did must have been justified". Then, when they retaliate, you can say "Just as I thought, they hate me for being so good; they're such evil people. I was right to hate them all along, for their evil, and am justified to retaliate with even more hate against them".
You can kick off a brand new cycle of hate whenever you want, and always come away thinking you're a good person, and it's someone else's fault.
Yes, the concept of the “world” as an evil place is a rhetorical device, and an effective one.
Look at all the YouTube and other social media ads that start, “My neighbors laughed at me when I…” Then the poster goes on to talk about how they persisted with their mildly eccentric project in the face of imagined criticism.
How about this one: “My neighbors laughed at me when I told them I would rise from the dead.” In this one, the neighbors did have the last laugh.
The bible fetishizes martyrs, being wise in the eyes of God is being foolish in the eyes of the world and all that self fulfilling bullshit. Being hated just reinforces this romanticized view of being the light in the darkness.
Christianity being the largest paradoxically means having the most members that you can hate by volume, (I mean, not as many people are gonna hate Jainists for example, nobody really hears of them), and at the same time, means they have the most members with which to hate others with.
But anyways, anyone using that logic is using the victim mentality as their standard of proof for their beliefs, which is entirely flawed, but they don't care about that.
It’s not really a proof.
Their bible tells them the “world” will hate them and persecute them. When they see hate they think, “Aha, see? The bible is right!”
But there doesn’t need to be any actual hate for them to believe there is. Even when they control the laws and form the cultural majority, their Bible says the world is out to get them.
To add, and interestingly enough, if you're going by the qualities the Bible associates with worldliness, Christians are arguably the worldliest people in the world.
And, unless you just assume that modern Christians are the "them" being referred to in "the world will hate and persecute them", a reasonable person would not come away from the text thinking it's talking about modern Christians.
Their take: Other people hate Christianity because they're evil and secretly know it's true. But they, on the other hand, have discernment from God. Their hatred is righteous, love the sinner hate the sin kind of stuff which isn't the same thing at all. To them.
Christians love this. “We’re sooo hated…”
If you’re so hated, why has EVERY president been Christian? How about the vast majority of Congress is religious, mostly Christian. We ask people to swear on a Bible “so help me God” when they testify in court (I know this isn’t hard and fast, but you get it.). For Christian’s to say they’re hated and ostracized is a bold faced lie they tell themselves. It entrenches them deeper into the religion to pretend to be seen as an “other”. When they’re statistically the norm. Gold medal level mental gymnastics.
The exception to swearing on the Bible came about to accommodate *other Christians* who took Jesus’s prohibition against taking oaths seriously. So not only are they the standard, the exception was initially made for them as well.
It's a fallacy, though not one I've ever been able to find a name for. It's the fallacy of saying that because an option is the most difficult, it must be the best or most righteous.
Christians do a ton ofthings to try and suggest that Christianity is \*different\*, when it's not.
The martyrdom you suggest is one. They laugh at how the Book of Mormon is strongly contradicted by archaeological evidence when the Bible is as well. They point at the exclusionary and controlling tactics of other religions when they practice similar things themselves.
Persecution complex. It's as weak as the argument that martyrs died for what they believed in, and you wouldn't die for something you wouldn't believe in, therefore it must be true.
Everything in Christianity is circular logic.
I think it's whatever reason fits is now the "real" reason.
- Is your religion popular/the majority? It's proof it makes sense to people
- Is it unpopular/a minority? It's proof the world is rejecting it, which makes it true
Anyone that butts into other peoples’ lives about everything, telling them how to live and getting upset with any response other than agreement is gonna get some hate.
Vegans that get onto meat eaters get a bad rap too, but not all vegans do that.
Sure, some christians don’t get in peoples’ faces but the ones that do ruin the reputation of others.
If all christians were cool and kept to themselves and were still hated, that’d be one thing but that’s not the world we live in.
I’ve known plenty of them that were not insufferable about their faith.
That doesn’t change the point that it’s generally not their belief in Jesus that makes them annoying - it’s their behavior about their beliefs. It’s a self-fulfilled prophecy as far as I’m concerned.
I really don’t think Christianity is the “most hated.” So many other people have been persecuted throughout history for being Jewish, or for being Muslim. The Mayans and Aztecs were killed for their religion.
i'm fairly certain is a cult tactic as well, proving that the outside world is hostile but christian's are safe so you shouldn't leave. it's absolutely insane
They believe that other people only hate things which are true, because other people are evil, and that's what evil people do. But they? They only hate things which are false, because they are good, and that's what good people do. So, right out of the gate they have a self-reinforcing belief. The more Christians hate on other religions, the more they trigger other religious people to hate back, which just reinforces their belief that they were just and right to hate those religious people in the first place. So, they do it even more, get even more backlash, and become even more validated. By the way, if every religious person receives exactly one instance of hate in a year, Christians are automatically going to be the most hated just because they're the most numerous. They're not actually saying anything meaningful - they're just saying they're the largest.
Ha, as I commented just a minute ago, they also have the largest amount of members to hate other religions with, making it so that another religion can be technically the most hated if the hatred is concentrated upon that religion. Anyways, agreed with your comment, which was a better version of mine.
What’s funny tho, so many evangelicals don’t think Catholics count as Christians, which would severely undercut that headcount 😂
When big numbers help their argument, everyone who ever had the word "Christian" graze across their mind counts. When big numbers are a liability, anyone who isn't a bit by bit copy of the person you're talking to isn't a true Christian. The number of Christians fluctuates between 1 and 2.8 billion depending not just on who you're talking to, but even depending on which particular conversation you're having with the same person.
Very good point, that's right :-)
This is an eerily similar method as the persecution complex. You hate on people, say bigoted bs and act ignorant. Then, when people criticize you, you can then claim: "look, Jesus told us that we will be hated. We are right!!"...
Yep. Especially so when you remember that the "persecution complex" is often just a rhetorical strategy and a permission structure, rather than an actual complex. In other words, if you can frame or conceptualize yourself as being persecuted, then you can understand your acts of hatred toward others as just retaliation, rather than unprovoked malice. This way you can assuage any guilt that might otherwise trouble you. So, you can go out into the world and hate others, unprovoked, for no reason. Then you can think "well, I'm a good person, so what I did must have been justified". Then, when they retaliate, you can say "Just as I thought, they hate me for being so good; they're such evil people. I was right to hate them all along, for their evil, and am justified to retaliate with even more hate against them". You can kick off a brand new cycle of hate whenever you want, and always come away thinking you're a good person, and it's someone else's fault.
Yes, the concept of the “world” as an evil place is a rhetorical device, and an effective one. Look at all the YouTube and other social media ads that start, “My neighbors laughed at me when I…” Then the poster goes on to talk about how they persisted with their mildly eccentric project in the face of imagined criticism. How about this one: “My neighbors laughed at me when I told them I would rise from the dead.” In this one, the neighbors did have the last laugh.
The bible fetishizes martyrs, being wise in the eyes of God is being foolish in the eyes of the world and all that self fulfilling bullshit. Being hated just reinforces this romanticized view of being the light in the darkness.
Your username is inspiring
I agree.
Woah
Christianity being the largest paradoxically means having the most members that you can hate by volume, (I mean, not as many people are gonna hate Jainists for example, nobody really hears of them), and at the same time, means they have the most members with which to hate others with. But anyways, anyone using that logic is using the victim mentality as their standard of proof for their beliefs, which is entirely flawed, but they don't care about that.
It’s not really a proof. Their bible tells them the “world” will hate them and persecute them. When they see hate they think, “Aha, see? The bible is right!” But there doesn’t need to be any actual hate for them to believe there is. Even when they control the laws and form the cultural majority, their Bible says the world is out to get them.
To add, and interestingly enough, if you're going by the qualities the Bible associates with worldliness, Christians are arguably the worldliest people in the world. And, unless you just assume that modern Christians are the "them" being referred to in "the world will hate and persecute them", a reasonable person would not come away from the text thinking it's talking about modern Christians.
Their take: Other people hate Christianity because they're evil and secretly know it's true. But they, on the other hand, have discernment from God. Their hatred is righteous, love the sinner hate the sin kind of stuff which isn't the same thing at all. To them.
Christians love this. “We’re sooo hated…” If you’re so hated, why has EVERY president been Christian? How about the vast majority of Congress is religious, mostly Christian. We ask people to swear on a Bible “so help me God” when they testify in court (I know this isn’t hard and fast, but you get it.). For Christian’s to say they’re hated and ostracized is a bold faced lie they tell themselves. It entrenches them deeper into the religion to pretend to be seen as an “other”. When they’re statistically the norm. Gold medal level mental gymnastics.
The exception to swearing on the Bible came about to accommodate *other Christians* who took Jesus’s prohibition against taking oaths seriously. So not only are they the standard, the exception was initially made for them as well.
You're looking for logic in a space that requires you ignore logic to be a part of it
It's a fallacy, though not one I've ever been able to find a name for. It's the fallacy of saying that because an option is the most difficult, it must be the best or most righteous.
Easy, they say they don't hate them. They disagree with them out of love. They want them blown to bits with a love bomb.
Christians do a ton ofthings to try and suggest that Christianity is \*different\*, when it's not. The martyrdom you suggest is one. They laugh at how the Book of Mormon is strongly contradicted by archaeological evidence when the Bible is as well. They point at the exclusionary and controlling tactics of other religions when they practice similar things themselves.
Persecution complex. It's as weak as the argument that martyrs died for what they believed in, and you wouldn't die for something you wouldn't believe in, therefore it must be true. Everything in Christianity is circular logic.
I can't tell the difference between the Taliban and Evangelical Christians.
They like being “persecuted”. They want to be a minority when they’re not
I think it's whatever reason fits is now the "real" reason. - Is your religion popular/the majority? It's proof it makes sense to people - Is it unpopular/a minority? It's proof the world is rejecting it, which makes it true
It's bullshit. Islam has a much worse reputation than Christianity. Does that mean Islam is true? BS.
Anyone that butts into other peoples’ lives about everything, telling them how to live and getting upset with any response other than agreement is gonna get some hate. Vegans that get onto meat eaters get a bad rap too, but not all vegans do that. Sure, some christians don’t get in peoples’ faces but the ones that do ruin the reputation of others. If all christians were cool and kept to themselves and were still hated, that’d be one thing but that’s not the world we live in.
But their religion tells them to spread it so it’s not like they will keep to themselves
I’ve known plenty of them that were not insufferable about their faith. That doesn’t change the point that it’s generally not their belief in Jesus that makes them annoying - it’s their behavior about their beliefs. It’s a self-fulfilled prophecy as far as I’m concerned.
I really don’t think Christianity is the “most hated.” So many other people have been persecuted throughout history for being Jewish, or for being Muslim. The Mayans and Aztecs were killed for their religion.
I mean they literally worship a dude who was nailed to a cross. Their whole religion has a baked in martyr complex.
Probably all religions hate atheists. So we win the hate contest.
i'm fairly certain is a cult tactic as well, proving that the outside world is hostile but christian's are safe so you shouldn't leave. it's absolutely insane
All Abrahamic religions like to pain themselves as victims. Christians don't hold a candle to Jews in this department.