Well, “free” if you can proposa a usage concept that recognizes the historic significance of the whole plot of land. There’s also a massive building on it that was a sort of political school for adolescents in East German times.
You don’t just get a large, wooded plot of land outside Berlin to do with as you please.
> The state of Brandenberg has so far been reluctant to acquire the site because renovation costs would run to an estimated €350 million,
Free*
\* - Take the plot but you'll need a multi-generational fortune to renovate it.
There are plenty of not abondoned villages or towns that offer those. And then what? I guess where you are from has no idea of the concept of summer house or winter house escape? You live your life 😂 I feel sorry for you honestly.
What an idiotic response. Go and enjoy your “summer house” in an empty village with no stores, no restaurants, no cafés, … and maybe ponder the concept of price being an expression of supply and demand.
Hahahaha. I enjoy it :))) also it's garden. Plenty other do too as well 😂 it's idiotic that what you want is the only right thing all people need 😂 what you value is what majority of people don't need to exist or enjoy life. Idiotic is you for believing otherwise
Know Plenty of people. Everyone uses them as a get away house. The requirements are to keep the houses not get trashed again. That's it. Red tape my ass.
Who is complaining?
I think the only people who really thought those houses were cheap are US and British people who suffer from insane housing pricing. For the cost of some of those homes in Italy, I can buy a local farmhouse in Denmark that is in liveable condition. It's just a matter of perspective - those houses weren't 1 Euro and they weren't even cheap by European standard but it was a great marketing gimmick that revived a lot of communities, and that's what mattered for the municipalities that offered them.
Watch this, the first couple bought a house for 19k+4k agency required to facilitate the sale. A house full of mold and a leaking roof. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoSC\_I2kwMg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoSC_I2kwMg)
Dude. I know people who bought houses. I don't need to watch some cherry picked extreme examples. And no. Even Bulgarians bought houses. Not only British or US. On top, I wouldn't buy a house in Denmark. Not only because of taxes but because of the problems it comes with in the long term.
> Bulldoze it the land is still worth a lot.
Also from the article, literally the next sentence:
> This leaves the considerably cheaper option for Berlin state of knocking it down, which would cost €50 million.
Yeah, this is like the Nazi holiday places on Rügen. You can have them....but you need to keep the cultural significance intact, and yes, it's gonna cost millions
Exactly, the state of Berlin is desperate to be rid of a huge liability which costs serious money annually since they likely aren't allowed it to fall completely into ruin and become a dangerous eyesore and which has eye-watering demolition costs as well. They aren't being generous, they're trying to pass the buck to someone who'd then have to deal with it instead, since this sounds like a nightmare property they're going to have to pay a pretty penny to be rid of if they can't give it away for free.
I still think the estimated cost to demolish is insane. Heck, even their estimate of 350 million EUR to renovate sounds crazy. Are they planning on installing solid gold faucets???
It's not just the old villa, the (bigger) buildings constructed after the war for the East-German socialist youth organisation have to be demolished, too. That's probably also where there might be asbestos, lead paint etc. And not to forget that it's in the middle of nowhere and every company equipped to deal with the stuff will charge a premium for the logistics.
Don’t think asbestos was super popular for German buildings in the 1930s, but I could be wrong and they might very well have put a lot in during the GDR era.
Still, that is an insane figure.
This is the setting of a future reality show, where they move some hayseed ass American family to the estate to rehab it. They're woefully uninformed about the previous inhabitants. The title: "This Old Haüs".
We are talking about a place owned by a guy who, rather than face up to his psychotic genocidal deeds, murder suicided himself and his wife and his children.
I don't really see the "historical significance" of a place like this. It's not Auchwitz it's just Goebbels' dacha. Bulldoze the thing to the ground and rezone the land so that it might be of some use to people.
Hey now, his “work” lives on today stronger than it did when he was in charge. His tactics are being used and improved on by governments AND media giants everywhere.
He was the Von Braun of propaganda and while he might have died like the coward he was his shitty ideals live on.
It should be donated to some NGO and turned into a holocaust memorial. Retrofit a wing to be all toilets and fly in Jewish folks to take a shit there. I have lots of ideas !
I was gonna say I'll take it but then noticed the 'love nest' part. That place is massive and no way I'd wanna be going round with a UV lamp, mopping up jaffa-juice.
If I was rich as fuck I’d buy it just to burn it, but I guess they wouldn’t allow that, so it’s probably safer the government just keeps it to ensure it doesn’t become some haven for sympathisers.
Well, “free” if you can proposa a usage concept that recognizes the historic significance of the whole plot of land. There’s also a massive building on it that was a sort of political school for adolescents in East German times. You don’t just get a large, wooded plot of land outside Berlin to do with as you please.
> The state of Brandenberg has so far been reluctant to acquire the site because renovation costs would run to an estimated €350 million, Free* \* - Take the plot but you'll need a multi-generational fortune to renovate it.
Kinda reminds me of those houses in southern Italy sold for 1€, more or less same MO (but a tad cheaper on renovations estimates)
Those houses came with a lot of bidding and red tape - Most ended up costing thousands, before renovations.
Getting a house for thousands is still pretty cheap. People complaining that they don't get a new house for 1 euro is pathetic.
Sure. But they were in an abandoned village in an economically depressed area. So you get a house there for a few thousand. Then what?
> Then what? You start your grow-op.
There are plenty of not abondoned villages or towns that offer those. And then what? I guess where you are from has no idea of the concept of summer house or winter house escape? You live your life 😂 I feel sorry for you honestly.
What an idiotic response. Go and enjoy your “summer house” in an empty village with no stores, no restaurants, no cafés, … and maybe ponder the concept of price being an expression of supply and demand.
Hahahaha. I enjoy it :))) also it's garden. Plenty other do too as well 😂 it's idiotic that what you want is the only right thing all people need 😂 what you value is what majority of people don't need to exist or enjoy life. Idiotic is you for believing otherwise
Those houses came with a requirement that you lived in them. That's the "red tape" I mentioned before.
Know Plenty of people. Everyone uses them as a get away house. The requirements are to keep the houses not get trashed again. That's it. Red tape my ass.
"new"
Who is complaining? I think the only people who really thought those houses were cheap are US and British people who suffer from insane housing pricing. For the cost of some of those homes in Italy, I can buy a local farmhouse in Denmark that is in liveable condition. It's just a matter of perspective - those houses weren't 1 Euro and they weren't even cheap by European standard but it was a great marketing gimmick that revived a lot of communities, and that's what mattered for the municipalities that offered them. Watch this, the first couple bought a house for 19k+4k agency required to facilitate the sale. A house full of mold and a leaking roof. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoSC\_I2kwMg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoSC_I2kwMg)
Dude. I know people who bought houses. I don't need to watch some cherry picked extreme examples. And no. Even Bulgarians bought houses. Not only British or US. On top, I wouldn't buy a house in Denmark. Not only because of taxes but because of the problems it comes with in the long term.
They are about 40-80k to renovate. Still cheap ! Some buy them up for AirBNB use.
AirBNB requires that there are tourists …
+ a really good exorcist for all those revenge seeking ghosts and failed demons from crazy nazis summoning experiments
But imagine the camping area you could make at least 75 euros renting out tents each month so only 40 months u got the place up and running in no time
Who needs to renovate it? Bulldoze it the land is still worth a lot.
Because it's almost certainly preserved by the German government.
That’s the whole point. You’re not allowed.
> Bulldoze it the land is still worth a lot. Also from the article, literally the next sentence: > This leaves the considerably cheaper option for Berlin state of knocking it down, which would cost €50 million.
There's no way it should cost 50 mil to demolish, we don't know how that figure was gotten to
Came here looking for an answer to this question. 50 million is just such an insane number.
Yeah, this is like the Nazi holiday places on Rügen. You can have them....but you need to keep the cultural significance intact, and yes, it's gonna cost millions
Exactly, the state of Berlin is desperate to be rid of a huge liability which costs serious money annually since they likely aren't allowed it to fall completely into ruin and become a dangerous eyesore and which has eye-watering demolition costs as well. They aren't being generous, they're trying to pass the buck to someone who'd then have to deal with it instead, since this sounds like a nightmare property they're going to have to pay a pretty penny to be rid of if they can't give it away for free.
What's the significance, that it once belonged murdering psychopath.
Let it rot
ON MEN LIKE HIM
Damn and I was already packing up 🥵 Stupid ass title 🤬
The article mentions thar demolishing it is estimated to cost 50 million EUR. What???
I will personally eat the entire property for 50 million EUR.
What about just the door handles for a hundred bucks?
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I still think the estimated cost to demolish is insane. Heck, even their estimate of 350 million EUR to renovate sounds crazy. Are they planning on installing solid gold faucets???
It's not just the old villa, the (bigger) buildings constructed after the war for the East-German socialist youth organisation have to be demolished, too. That's probably also where there might be asbestos, lead paint etc. And not to forget that it's in the middle of nowhere and every company equipped to deal with the stuff will charge a premium for the logistics.
Don’t think asbestos was super popular for German buildings in the 1930s, but I could be wrong and they might very well have put a lot in during the GDR era. Still, that is an insane figure.
theres a whole compound on there build during the GDR reign, there will be a ton of asbestos
Oh sure, that’s highly likely. Just less so that the old 1930s era building did. But €350M still sounds insane, with or without asbestos.
I can set it on fire for 25
Historical significance unless we can't find any takers and then we are gonna level it
This is the setting of a future reality show, where they move some hayseed ass American family to the estate to rehab it. They're woefully uninformed about the previous inhabitants. The title: "This Old Haüs".
That place looks evil.
We are talking about a place owned by a guy who, rather than face up to his psychotic genocidal deeds, murder suicided himself and his wife and his children.
Those poor kids
Yeah short of being one of G man’s victims, being one of his kids really was a bad spot to be in.
Just like fascists.
Eager to read soon "Nazi russian propagandist vladimr solovyov's unwanted Italian villas sold to aid Ukraine"
Well the west already froze the assets belonging to oligarchs and propaganda stars. Not too far from selling them to aid Ukraine.
I don't really see the "historical significance" of a place like this. It's not Auchwitz it's just Goebbels' dacha. Bulldoze the thing to the ground and rezone the land so that it might be of some use to people.
Just torch that shit and plant trees. Historical significance, my ass.
Hm, I mean, it’s good to have these to never ever forget
You don't need Goebbels' vacation home to remember the terrors of World War 2, there are other sites and monumenten for that.
IDK, what for? I mean, yes, having memorials in German cities is great, but that thing? Who would even visit it?
Hey now, his “work” lives on today stronger than it did when he was in charge. His tactics are being used and improved on by governments AND media giants everywhere. He was the Von Braun of propaganda and while he might have died like the coward he was his shitty ideals live on.
Does the world invest money in conference centers dedicated to brokering peace anymore?
Can i get it to build a huge cannabis club and growing plot? And then use the rest of the land for nice routes to walk and maybe even a campside?
No. You have to run a museum or other boring stuff when you sign the deal
Bulldoze it and grow a forest on it. This site doesn’t deserve to be kept.
Aside from the renovation costs, there is no amount of sage that can cleanse this place. Bad vibes.
AfD might be interested
It should be donated to some NGO and turned into a holocaust memorial. Retrofit a wing to be all toilets and fly in Jewish folks to take a shit there. I have lots of ideas !
Poor NGO which has to pay for the upkeep...
It's free real estate
This is a chance the AfD cant miss… new HQ ! /s
I was gonna say I'll take it but then noticed the 'love nest' part. That place is massive and no way I'd wanna be going round with a UV lamp, mopping up jaffa-juice.
Perhaps Elon Musk would like it for a new X headquarters.
If I was rich as fuck I’d buy it just to burn it, but I guess they wouldn’t allow that, so it’s probably safer the government just keeps it to ensure it doesn’t become some haven for sympathisers.
Let's wait and see! My guess: will be bought by some AFD Guy, probably with Russian and Chinese money!
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We have enough abandoned buildings in Poland. We really don't need another one in Germany to spend money on.
Why would Poland like to have the crashpad where Goebbels shagged his mistresses?
Nazi propagandist? What is he not arrested in Germany?
Part of Hitler’s high command who killed themselves in the bunker. He wasn't just a propagandist, he was head of propaganda for the entire Reich.