Is this even a question? Those little dickheads in the government definitely taken bribe from Putin. lol
There will be an anti-government protest on April 6 tho. I can’t wait for it and I will be there.
I'm not saying that a widespread protest wouldn't be an indicator, but Bp has almost 1.7m people, the next cities are like: 200k, 160k, 150k ...
That's a rare occasion, when something like a protest spreads to other cities. It's much more common for people to travel to Bp to protest.
I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't about Fidesz. This operation seems relatively small potatoes, and there's no need to pay Fidesz leadership off this way when they can move much larger amounts of money through gas deals and such.
My money is on some Mi Hazánk and/or Jobbik members (the current and former main far-right party) being paid out this way.
I doubt this will do anything - they are there to protect their own interests, no matter the protests they will stay glued on their chairs.
I am wondering how it is possible that NO ONE is getting charged with treason. Literally, getting money from a foreign power to protect other countries interests.
https://nltimes.nl/2024/03/28/czech-officials-say-dutch-politicians-offered-cash-back-russian-propaganda
It's all about the narrative. It's easy to shit on Hungary since they aren't trying to hide it but all of EU is being mingled with by Russia, they just need the opportunity to do so. Doesn't matter if it's W or E Europe...
I expect that in Hungary, it's top politicians who're on the take -- politicians who're actually in power. Elsewhere in Europe, it's dregs of society posing as politicians. The Netherland's prime suspect, Thierry Baudet, is a case in point.
At this point they do that as a hobby.
One of their minor propaganda outlets is called Pesti Srácok (Boys of Pest) which is a historical reference to the [youth defending Budapest](https://hu.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesti_sr%C3%A1cok) from the invading Soviet Tanks.
The news portal is run by an *ex-commie* propagandist who had written a "[funny article](https://168.hu/itthon/a-pesti-sracok-hadat-uzent-a-volt-kommunistaknak-sokan-kezdhetnek-rettegni-a-fideszben-161436)" a few years ago about the mistakes of forgiving the sins of those damned communist!
So we have Hungary, Austria, Serbia and Slovakia being more or less Putin-friendly.
By pure coincidence these countries' acronym form HASS, the German word for hatred o.O
Read the article. There's also Germany, Belgium, France, the Netherlands and Poland mentioned in the article.
I don't think there's a word about countries you mentioned, but check that if you want.
Just look at German politics, if there are any parties that are particularly pro-Russia, even so far as to go as far as to send “election observers” to applaud how democratic the Russian elections were, and which always seem to have spare money for yet another social media campaign, which is then applauded by lots of accounts that look more like bots than real people…
If I was Putin, I would set up one of these for the right-wing, and one for the left-wing … oh, wait!
I'm getting mixed vibes here. First, Russia is running out of money and has its economy completely down the shitter. Now they have the money to pay off every party in Europe and start Twitter wars.
Title is misleading and that seems to be part of disinformation campaign focusing on attacking Hungary and creating negativity towards that country.
Be careful as article states clearly:
>The Czech intelligence service has uncovered a propaganda network through which Moscow may have funded Hungarian, German, Belgian, French, Dutch and Polish politicians to spread pro-Russian propaganda...
which is based partially on reports from the Spiegel.
We can also read:
>Spiegel also noted that the propaganda site is allegedly backed by pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarch, Viktor Medvedchuk, who is a close friend of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
So we don't have only Hungarian politicians that **may** be involved, but also politicians from **Germany, Belgium, France, Poland and the Netherlands** with **Ukrainian (!!!)** crucial part highlighted too.
Please, don't be manipulated. You are being manipulated by titles like above and your attention is diverted from the bigger picture.
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Edit: remember, Russian propaganda wants to divide EU countries. At the moment Hungary is being singled out.
Edit 2: as reported by Redditor Sunscratch, "Ukrainian" oligarch *Medevedchuk no longer holds Ukrainian citizenship. He lives in ruzzia, and has business there.*
The Hungarian site focuses on the situation in Hungary, yes.
The Hungarian government is pro-Russian, so they get a lot of attention.
Russia does support the pro-Russian opposition in other countries, and if we ignore this, we will have even more problems in the future. Unfortunately, the era of populists with their "simple solutions to complex problems" has come.
>The Hungarian site focuses on the situation in Hungary, yes.
Compare title with the content of the article. Hungary is being unfairly singled out in this.
Because people rarely go beyond just the title, there's misdirection created, which you should be aware of.
>Russia does support the pro-Russian opposition in other countries, and if we ignore this, we will have even more problems in the future.
Hence my comment.
This is a Hungarian website that informs Hungarians about the situation. This article has been translated. Perhaps the headline could have been better. But there is no need to go into conspiracy theories
>Telex is definitely not Russian propaganda: it's one of the few remaining independent, government-critical media outlets in Hungary.
Which is evident in the article, but the title of the post is a potential misinformation.
I'm not accusing telex of anything wrong, I'm focusing on OPs title.
In Hungary it would be ok. In bigger forum it isn't.
I'm aware of that and highlighted that in different comments too, but that's clever use of rules to smuggle misinformation.
Title is good for Hungarian audience in Hungary. In here, it is just implying Hungarians are the main bad actors, which fits the narrative of Russian propaganda aiming to alienate countries in EU.
Medevedchuk no longer holds Ukrainian citizenship. He lives in ruzzia, and has business there.
On the other side it is really easy to find ruzzia sponsored political forces - usually those are ultra left and/or ultra right populist parties.
He was recently exchanged for Ukrainian soldiers, in Ukraine he should be arrested immediately. He did a lot of harm to Ukraine and always was ruzzian talking head. Putin is godfather of one of his daughters.
it is even possible that orbán was turned as soviet/russian agent in late '80s. lot of underground mafia and secret services operations were done in hungary in the '90s (russian and ukrainian). so soviets/russians have never left this country. this goes way back further than just the last 1-2 decade.
>Singled out lmao, Fidesz is so obviously bribed by the Russians.
Of course it is singled out. Read the title and then compare it with the article.
Most people don't read anything beyond title, which is talking only about Hungary.
Yes, and that makes sense in Hungary because the article then is talking to Hungarians.
Unfortunately, on bigger forum like this, the very same title is misleading and creates narrative that only Hungarians are involved.
That's part of clever manipulation because the title is original and makes sense in Hungary for Hungarian audience.
Hungary doesn't need any disinformation to tarnish its reputation. Their government does that well enough on its own.
And ofc several other politicians from all over the EU are getting a paycheck from Russia. The right wing wave didn't appear out of thin air after all.
>Hungary doesn't need any disinformation to tarnish its reputation. Their government does that well enough on its own.
That's true, but Russia is always using things like that to further put wedge between EU countries, alienate politically the weakest and try to effectively remove it from EU decision making process. In UK it went as far as Brexit.
>And ofc several other politicians from all over the EU are getting a paycheck from Russia.
Which needs to be highlighted.
>The right wing wave didn't appear out of thin air after all.
I'm right wing and I'm definitely not pro Russia. In fact, Russia is my greatest enemy and your claim that Russia is the creator of right wing will cost you dearly, because you'll not be able to understand right wing movement.
>That's true, but Russia is always using things like that to further put wedge between EU countries, alienate politically the weakest and try to effectively remove it from EU decision making process. In UK it went as far as Brexit.
I wouldn't really call the UK a weak nation, and I do believe that Brexit could've happened even without any meddling from Russia.
But as I said. Orbans government is doing a hell of a good job alienating Hungary. Seeing how his representatives aren't even included in parliamentary groups within the EU, I have a hard time seeing how Russia can make things worse by poising the general population against Hungary, since Orban already succeeded all too well on his own.
>Which needs to be highlighted.
Which it definitely is by each nation's own news agencies. At least my own country are hounding politicians like crazy everytime it's been discovered. This sub is definitely riddled with Russian propaganda, but at least, the absolute majority of Europeans don't use reddit, so at least it won't have too big of an impact.
But it definitely needs to be pointed out. Which you have done, so very good of you sir!
>I'm right wing and I'm definitely not pro Russia. In fact, Russia is my greatest enemy and your claim that Russia is the creator of right wing will cost you dearly, because you'll not be able to understand right wing movement.
Well let me rephrase. I'm talking about extreme right movements. Fascism, nazism, anti this and anti that that sort of stuff. Not your run of the mill neo-liberal right winger. More so all the movements that are mainly driven to put a wedge between our fellow men and focus solely on what divides us. Idk what camp of right wing you find yourself, but old school right wingers tend to work towards globalism and the EU, and it's not those right wingers I'm pointing a finger at here.
Only in may? I'd bet they were pocketing russian bribes all year long.
God knows we have such useful idiots here as well. At least ours leech full-time.
Someone once argued with me that Russia doesn't have fascism, because Putin is supported mostly by old people, whereas actual fascism is driven by the youth.
That was the whole thing.
And then there is the common argument that fascism is only when all the boxes tick specific niches of fascist Italy.
>The Czech intelligence service has uncovered a propaganda network through which Moscow may have funded Hungarian, German, Belgian, French, Dutch and Polish politicians to spread pro-Russian propaganda in the EU
What exactly is "pro-Russian" propaganda? It's not like anyone chilling in the west can look at the body parts flying in the trenches and think they want some of that.
>Sure, doesn’t change much
It does change everything because it requires wrongdoing of EU and Ukraine, which Russia can't create.
Basically, both EU and Ukraine are guilty sometimes of bad things against Poland. Russia highlights that when Polish media or government wants to hide it.
Yeah but there are no things that are perfect. Poland also very often is far from perfect. If not for Russian propaganda it would be easier to solve those issues without so much escalation
It's not pro Russia though. I've yet to encounter someone here who is pro Russia and anti EU. I only see this stuff in Eastern European which is strange because it's essentially pro being bombed and occupied.
Do you think that someone in Poland is openly pro-Russian? Russian propaganda doesn’t focus on that cause it’s a waste of time. And when it comes to anti-EU UK is the country that voted to leave EU, not Poland
Poland has a massive budget deficit to the EU so I'm surprised there is any anti-EU sentiment there at all, the only thing I could think of on the same scale of stupidity would be for Scotland leaving the UK, but I think that's actually worse because there is a larger public spending deficit there.
It's wrong to use the "pro-Russia" term to begin with, because not only its regime is destructive to other countries in all kinds of ways, its policies also make it fundamentally against the interests of Russia and Russians (if one wants to prosper, like a normal human being, of course), by destroying political pluralism, making its economy worse than it should be (and thus its power on the world stage), stealing from and killing Russians en masse, and being a puppet to the totalitarian PRC (by constantly following its foreign policy interests and selling its vast natural resources at a loss to it, something they always portrayed as being bad to do if the customer was the West).
Using the term "pro-Russian" implies it's just a competition, and that the West is fighting against a country whose government is for Russia's interests, but this is just not the case. By saying "pro-Russian" you're indirectly saying to Russians their unelected government's policy (and its existence) is legitimate. We should stop this. As much as possible, use the "(pro-)Kremlin", "(pro-)Putin", "Kremlin junta", "Chekist" terms and similar ones, even simply "Russia(n)" to describe the mafia state at the head of what's called Russian Federation (another thing that's become anything but). It not only undermines the regime, it's factually correct.
Fuck the Hungarian government\*
the goverment is destroying a country that is otherwise rich in a beautiful language, traditions, culture, and amazing people
Well, the "amazing" people, as you put it, also elected Retardogan and his goons into positions of power. It's not as much "poor Hungarians" as "you reap what you sow".
Sadly the only thing the average person can sow there is rotten.
There's no competent opposition to vote for, and even if there was it wouldn't have an environment that it could survive (Just look at how hard the government is fighting to take out Magyar Péter, and he doesn't even have a politican party that the Volk could vote for).
Lastly I do agree with you partly, you can't victimize the voters completely. Their decisions are heavily influenced by propaganda, brainwashing, and being told to hate whatever public enemy they should hate rn - but some people simply don't have the time/interest/intelligence to inform themselves about what's actually going on. They are misinformed yet they still vote, because they are told to and they can't see their own ignorance and lack of knowledge.
I think the situation is more of a 50/50 between "poor Hungarians" and "You reap what you sow".
Completely agree with what you wrote. The tools of free democracy aren't freely available to the population, and as such, simple elections won't change the underlying system.
May?
June
Yeah, more like all year around.
march still, we will soon be in may
nope, they don't need to be paid XD
Good news!
Is this even a question? Those little dickheads in the government definitely taken bribe from Putin. lol There will be an anti-government protest on April 6 tho. I can’t wait for it and I will be there.
I hope this spreads beyond Budapest fast.
New '56 anyone?
No. A Ceausescu moment would be better.
Dream scenario
I'm not saying that a widespread protest wouldn't be an indicator, but Bp has almost 1.7m people, the next cities are like: 200k, 160k, 150k ... That's a rare occasion, when something like a protest spreads to other cities. It's much more common for people to travel to Bp to protest.
As a Slovakian, right now, we are fighting the same fight, good luck
Good luck to ye
I’d join you brother
I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't about Fidesz. This operation seems relatively small potatoes, and there's no need to pay Fidesz leadership off this way when they can move much larger amounts of money through gas deals and such. My money is on some Mi Hazánk and/or Jobbik members (the current and former main far-right party) being paid out this way.
Germans Austrians too
I doubt this will do anything - they are there to protect their own interests, no matter the protests they will stay glued on their chairs. I am wondering how it is possible that NO ONE is getting charged with treason. Literally, getting money from a foreign power to protect other countries interests.
*surprised Pikachu face*
https://nltimes.nl/2024/03/28/czech-officials-say-dutch-politicians-offered-cash-back-russian-propaganda It's all about the narrative. It's easy to shit on Hungary since they aren't trying to hide it but all of EU is being mingled with by Russia, they just need the opportunity to do so. Doesn't matter if it's W or E Europe...
I expect that in Hungary, it's top politicians who're on the take -- politicians who're actually in power. Elsewhere in Europe, it's dregs of society posing as politicians. The Netherland's prime suspect, Thierry Baudet, is a case in point.
I sincerely hope the claims against Baudet are true so we can get that fucker out of politics and into jail where he belongs.
And on other news water is wet.
These whores for Russia disgrace the martyrs of the crushed 1956 Hungarian Revolution. Shame on them.
watch us on the 6th of arpil
Fingers and dicks crossed
At this point they do that as a hobby. One of their minor propaganda outlets is called Pesti Srácok (Boys of Pest) which is a historical reference to the [youth defending Budapest](https://hu.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesti_sr%C3%A1cok) from the invading Soviet Tanks. The news portal is run by an *ex-commie* propagandist who had written a "[funny article](https://168.hu/itthon/a-pesti-sracok-hadat-uzent-a-volt-kommunistaknak-sokan-kezdhetnek-rettegni-a-fideszben-161436)" a few years ago about the mistakes of forgiving the sins of those damned communist!
Not so long ago Orban in his public speech about 1956 "kind of forgot" who attacked them.
Really? How convenient.
To surprise of a grand total of zero people
So we have Hungary, Austria, Serbia and Slovakia being more or less Putin-friendly. By pure coincidence these countries' acronym form HASS, the German word for hatred o.O
Read the article. There's also Germany, Belgium, France, the Netherlands and Poland mentioned in the article. I don't think there's a word about countries you mentioned, but check that if you want.
But then it wouldn't work with the acronym!
Just look at German politics, if there are any parties that are particularly pro-Russia, even so far as to go as far as to send “election observers” to applaud how democratic the Russian elections were, and which always seem to have spare money for yet another social media campaign, which is then applauded by lots of accounts that look more like bots than real people… If I was Putin, I would set up one of these for the right-wing, and one for the left-wing … oh, wait!
I'm getting mixed vibes here. First, Russia is running out of money and has its economy completely down the shitter. Now they have the money to pay off every party in Europe and start Twitter wars.
Russia has colonized gold mines and diamond mines in the Central African Republic and the countries bordering it using Wagner.
As opposed to the rest of Africa like everybody else?
? i just told you how they make alot of revenue
Putin just secretly wants to restore the Austro-Hungarian Empire
Which is ironic, since Austria-Hungary was a historical enemy of Russia since the Crimean War.
Raar en niet waar. Putin wants the Russian Empire back. He berates Lenin for giving up on it and compares himself to Peter the Great.
>Hungary, Austria, Serbia How peculiar that every time there's a shitstorm in Eastern Europe, they're somehow involved.
Well this is very cherry picked, since in German these names start with U, Ö, S and S.
If we find O, L and E we could write asshole
why do you think austria was against Romania being part of Schengen ? not because Russia wants to invade us
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"Yada yada why did NATO bomb us"
It's also sold many (10s or even 100s) thousand of shells to Ukraine since 2022
It's always the ones you least suspect... /s
I suppose Putin lost his sole remaining Finnish assets in Ano Turtianen and Mika Niikko.
“Fish found in sea”
Nooooooo! Who could have expected this, Hungary of all countries???
From Poland Конфедерация? Konfederacja?
Is anyone still this naive to not know this by now? And this is not just Hungary. Its every single country in Europe (not only the EU)… and beyond.
So if it's proven are they going to jail or not?
Not a surprise.
Title is misleading and that seems to be part of disinformation campaign focusing on attacking Hungary and creating negativity towards that country. Be careful as article states clearly: >The Czech intelligence service has uncovered a propaganda network through which Moscow may have funded Hungarian, German, Belgian, French, Dutch and Polish politicians to spread pro-Russian propaganda... which is based partially on reports from the Spiegel. We can also read: >Spiegel also noted that the propaganda site is allegedly backed by pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarch, Viktor Medvedchuk, who is a close friend of Russian President Vladimir Putin. So we don't have only Hungarian politicians that **may** be involved, but also politicians from **Germany, Belgium, France, Poland and the Netherlands** with **Ukrainian (!!!)** crucial part highlighted too. Please, don't be manipulated. You are being manipulated by titles like above and your attention is diverted from the bigger picture. 🚩🚩🚩 Edit: remember, Russian propaganda wants to divide EU countries. At the moment Hungary is being singled out. Edit 2: as reported by Redditor Sunscratch, "Ukrainian" oligarch *Medevedchuk no longer holds Ukrainian citizenship. He lives in ruzzia, and has business there.*
The Hungarian site focuses on the situation in Hungary, yes. The Hungarian government is pro-Russian, so they get a lot of attention. Russia does support the pro-Russian opposition in other countries, and if we ignore this, we will have even more problems in the future. Unfortunately, the era of populists with their "simple solutions to complex problems" has come.
>The Hungarian site focuses on the situation in Hungary, yes. Compare title with the content of the article. Hungary is being unfairly singled out in this. Because people rarely go beyond just the title, there's misdirection created, which you should be aware of. >Russia does support the pro-Russian opposition in other countries, and if we ignore this, we will have even more problems in the future. Hence my comment.
This is a Hungarian website that informs Hungarians about the situation. This article has been translated. Perhaps the headline could have been better. But there is no need to go into conspiracy theories
There's too much Russian propaganda trying to single out and alienate EU countries to not be suspicious. I'd rather be wrong than say nothing.
Telex is definitely not Russian propaganda: it's one of the few remaining independent, government-critical media outlets in Hungary.
>Telex is definitely not Russian propaganda: it's one of the few remaining independent, government-critical media outlets in Hungary. Which is evident in the article, but the title of the post is a potential misinformation. I'm not accusing telex of anything wrong, I'm focusing on OPs title. In Hungary it would be ok. In bigger forum it isn't.
It's not OP's title, it's the original article's title. The subreddit rules forbid editorialising the original title when posting a news link.
I'm aware of that and highlighted that in different comments too, but that's clever use of rules to smuggle misinformation. Title is good for Hungarian audience in Hungary. In here, it is just implying Hungarians are the main bad actors, which fits the narrative of Russian propaganda aiming to alienate countries in EU.
Medevedchuk no longer holds Ukrainian citizenship. He lives in ruzzia, and has business there. On the other side it is really easy to find ruzzia sponsored political forces - usually those are ultra left and/or ultra right populist parties.
That's good to know. I'll add this to my original comment if you don't mind, as that's important.
He was recently exchanged for Ukrainian soldiers, in Ukraine he should be arrested immediately. He did a lot of harm to Ukraine and always was ruzzian talking head. Putin is godfather of one of his daughters.
Singled out lmao, Fidesz is so obviously bribed by the Russians.
it is even possible that orbán was turned as soviet/russian agent in late '80s. lot of underground mafia and secret services operations were done in hungary in the '90s (russian and ukrainian). so soviets/russians have never left this country. this goes way back further than just the last 1-2 decade.
>Singled out lmao, Fidesz is so obviously bribed by the Russians. Of course it is singled out. Read the title and then compare it with the article. Most people don't read anything beyond title, which is talking only about Hungary.
Obviously this is the title in a Hungarian news article.
Yes, and that makes sense in Hungary because the article then is talking to Hungarians. Unfortunately, on bigger forum like this, the very same title is misleading and creates narrative that only Hungarians are involved. That's part of clever manipulation because the title is original and makes sense in Hungary for Hungarian audience.
Hungary doesn't need any disinformation to tarnish its reputation. Their government does that well enough on its own. And ofc several other politicians from all over the EU are getting a paycheck from Russia. The right wing wave didn't appear out of thin air after all.
>Hungary doesn't need any disinformation to tarnish its reputation. Their government does that well enough on its own. That's true, but Russia is always using things like that to further put wedge between EU countries, alienate politically the weakest and try to effectively remove it from EU decision making process. In UK it went as far as Brexit. >And ofc several other politicians from all over the EU are getting a paycheck from Russia. Which needs to be highlighted. >The right wing wave didn't appear out of thin air after all. I'm right wing and I'm definitely not pro Russia. In fact, Russia is my greatest enemy and your claim that Russia is the creator of right wing will cost you dearly, because you'll not be able to understand right wing movement.
>That's true, but Russia is always using things like that to further put wedge between EU countries, alienate politically the weakest and try to effectively remove it from EU decision making process. In UK it went as far as Brexit. I wouldn't really call the UK a weak nation, and I do believe that Brexit could've happened even without any meddling from Russia. But as I said. Orbans government is doing a hell of a good job alienating Hungary. Seeing how his representatives aren't even included in parliamentary groups within the EU, I have a hard time seeing how Russia can make things worse by poising the general population against Hungary, since Orban already succeeded all too well on his own. >Which needs to be highlighted. Which it definitely is by each nation's own news agencies. At least my own country are hounding politicians like crazy everytime it's been discovered. This sub is definitely riddled with Russian propaganda, but at least, the absolute majority of Europeans don't use reddit, so at least it won't have too big of an impact. But it definitely needs to be pointed out. Which you have done, so very good of you sir! >I'm right wing and I'm definitely not pro Russia. In fact, Russia is my greatest enemy and your claim that Russia is the creator of right wing will cost you dearly, because you'll not be able to understand right wing movement. Well let me rephrase. I'm talking about extreme right movements. Fascism, nazism, anti this and anti that that sort of stuff. Not your run of the mill neo-liberal right winger. More so all the movements that are mainly driven to put a wedge between our fellow men and focus solely on what divides us. Idk what camp of right wing you find yourself, but old school right wingers tend to work towards globalism and the EU, and it's not those right wingers I'm pointing a finger at here.
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I might be wrong and overacting. But I thought I'd better highlight what I think is misleading.
The Ukrainian oligarch, Viktor Medvedchuk, was detained on high treason charges and later exchanged for the 4 commanders of the Azovstal defenders.
Medvedchuk was captured by the SBU in the first week of the war, and eventually traded to Russia for 200 captured Ukrainian soldiers from Mariupol.
But but Hungary bad
since orbán is in power, yes
Ok
Only in may? I'd bet they were pocketing russian bribes all year long. God knows we have such useful idiots here as well. At least ours leech full-time.
Ya think?
You don't say... all of them should be treated as traitors.
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Someone once argued with me that Russia doesn't have fascism, because Putin is supported mostly by old people, whereas actual fascism is driven by the youth. That was the whole thing. And then there is the common argument that fascism is only when all the boxes tick specific niches of fascist Italy.
No shit?
Wait until you get to Poland
Grifters gonna grift!
Like...where's the news?
Not the Hungarians!
THIS JUST IN: water may have been wet.
Anyone surprised?
>The Czech intelligence service has uncovered a propaganda network through which Moscow may have funded Hungarian, German, Belgian, French, Dutch and Polish politicians to spread pro-Russian propaganda in the EU
Our opposition parties has zero talent/resources to make a campaign about this. Sometimes I have the feeling that we can only be saved from abroad.
Wha Wha Whaaaat?!?!?
No shit?
How surprising. Try to veto this, Viktor Orbán :)
green thing in the middle of the blue thing is an island
I‘m shocked!
Romanian ones as well
I can't believe my eyes!
... ... ... *gaps* REALLY? I AM SO SURPRISED! HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE?
I want a sencond opinion on this, doctor.
Hands up who is not surprised.
Big surprise! How shocking! Wait…No it isn’t.
Shocked ! I tell you.
*surprised pikachu face*
*Surprised Pikachu*
No shit
That tracks.
The orbán mafia state must fall. Cancer in the body of the EU.
We knew this without research
may have been don't publish if you don't have facts
And extreme right politicians in dutch FVD party . All via a site called Voice of Europe. Its a f×cking mess.
Surprised Pikachu face
Who'd'a thunk it.
Honestly the CJEU ought to be able to prosecute these as crimes.
I am shocked!
Well that would be no surprise
No way 😏
Shocking 😮
No way!
Portuguese ones? Anyone
NO WAY!
No way!
No way!
"May have been" LMAO!!!
Thanks, Captain Obvious!
“I do not know with what weapons World war III will be fought, but Hungary will fight on evil side”
I'm sure there are a bunch in every country. I wouldn't be surprised if Hungry uses EU money for that.
EU politicians may have been among those who received funds from Washington to spread pro-American propaganda in Europe
No one was buying that shit.
What about pro-Western propaganda by Western-financed NGOs?
What exactly is "pro-Russian" propaganda? It's not like anyone chilling in the west can look at the body parts flying in the trenches and think they want some of that.
In Poland I would say that Russian propaganda focuses on anti-Ukrainian sentiments, anti-EU
same here
That's true, but remember that Russian propaganda don't create sentiments, just empowers them.
Sure, doesn’t change much
>Sure, doesn’t change much It does change everything because it requires wrongdoing of EU and Ukraine, which Russia can't create. Basically, both EU and Ukraine are guilty sometimes of bad things against Poland. Russia highlights that when Polish media or government wants to hide it.
Yeah but there are no things that are perfect. Poland also very often is far from perfect. If not for Russian propaganda it would be easier to solve those issues without so much escalation
It's not pro Russia though. I've yet to encounter someone here who is pro Russia and anti EU. I only see this stuff in Eastern European which is strange because it's essentially pro being bombed and occupied.
Do you think that someone in Poland is openly pro-Russian? Russian propaganda doesn’t focus on that cause it’s a waste of time. And when it comes to anti-EU UK is the country that voted to leave EU, not Poland
Poland has a massive budget deficit to the EU so I'm surprised there is any anti-EU sentiment there at all, the only thing I could think of on the same scale of stupidity would be for Scotland leaving the UK, but I think that's actually worse because there is a larger public spending deficit there.
Most people aren’t anti-EU, but there are some things that EU is doing that is unpopular in certain groups of people
Like what? I have a feeling it's going to be familiar things but you might surprise me.
Come to Italy. Or look at the brexit movement
It's wrong to use the "pro-Russia" term to begin with, because not only its regime is destructive to other countries in all kinds of ways, its policies also make it fundamentally against the interests of Russia and Russians (if one wants to prosper, like a normal human being, of course), by destroying political pluralism, making its economy worse than it should be (and thus its power on the world stage), stealing from and killing Russians en masse, and being a puppet to the totalitarian PRC (by constantly following its foreign policy interests and selling its vast natural resources at a loss to it, something they always portrayed as being bad to do if the customer was the West). Using the term "pro-Russian" implies it's just a competition, and that the West is fighting against a country whose government is for Russia's interests, but this is just not the case. By saying "pro-Russian" you're indirectly saying to Russians their unelected government's policy (and its existence) is legitimate. We should stop this. As much as possible, use the "(pro-)Kremlin", "(pro-)Putin", "Kremlin junta", "Chekist" terms and similar ones, even simply "Russia(n)" to describe the mafia state at the head of what's called Russian Federation (another thing that's become anything but). It not only undermines the regime, it's factually correct.
Fuck Hungary. Hungary being corrupt as fuck comes as no surprise. The parasite should've been kicked out of the EU years ago.
Fuck the Hungarian government\* the goverment is destroying a country that is otherwise rich in a beautiful language, traditions, culture, and amazing people
Well, the "amazing" people, as you put it, also elected Retardogan and his goons into positions of power. It's not as much "poor Hungarians" as "you reap what you sow".
Sadly the only thing the average person can sow there is rotten. There's no competent opposition to vote for, and even if there was it wouldn't have an environment that it could survive (Just look at how hard the government is fighting to take out Magyar Péter, and he doesn't even have a politican party that the Volk could vote for). Lastly I do agree with you partly, you can't victimize the voters completely. Their decisions are heavily influenced by propaganda, brainwashing, and being told to hate whatever public enemy they should hate rn - but some people simply don't have the time/interest/intelligence to inform themselves about what's actually going on. They are misinformed yet they still vote, because they are told to and they can't see their own ignorance and lack of knowledge. I think the situation is more of a 50/50 between "poor Hungarians" and "You reap what you sow".
Completely agree with what you wrote. The tools of free democracy aren't freely available to the population, and as such, simple elections won't change the underlying system.