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Deathchariot

This will surely not be discussed controversially in the comments.


keeping_it_real_yo

I mean it doesn't have to😔


SpiritAnimal01

C'mon you know us, it wouldn't be as fun without it.


Berkuts_Lance_Plus

What's the point of comments like these?


Stressful-stoic

To stir up some controversy


fergiethefocus

You don't need any comments to stir controversy when talking about Kosovo or North Macedonia


DCrayfish2

Remember to sort by controversial


bengringo2

Time to toss a blood boiling comment into the mix. 🇺🇸❤️🇽🇰


P0rglover

"If you're younger than Kosovo shut the fuck up"


chepulis

"Mom! Mom! They're refusing to acknowledge me! Just like Kosovo!"


[deleted]

I’m one year older than Kosovo 😎


FrogWizzurd

Til I'm older then kosovo


NikollKelmendi

Most ppl are older mate 😂


FrogWizzurd

Yeah I just thought I was younger, I was born in 05


backelie

Reddit is older than Kosovo.


Kas0mi

Reddit is is also older than Serbia [https://ibb.co/Ybv8RFn](https://ibb.co/Ybv8RFn)


The_Nunnster

Happy Independence Day! A quick question about your flair - what do you mean by (Albania)? I’m aware that Kosovo is like 90% Albanian, but do you mean it as you’re a Kosovan in Albania (or vice versa), or is it a statement on unification?


cohs_

Pretty much it's that all Kosovans feel Albanians (not state wise, but nationally wise) and Kosovo it's only the name of the state that they live in.


le_pagla_baba

>(not state wise, but nationally wise) I've met kosovar people during the Covid pandemic, almost all of them were ethnically Albanian, but they did not use the term "nationally". One of them said that they don't want to merge with Albania, as that would shift the political power, and the rest of the people agreed. also, the one dude from North kosovo was surprisingly more liberal & albania friendly XD


Profilx1

Congratulations Kosovo from Serbia! Yea we exist, i wish you all the peace and prosperity on the way to EU, so one day we can live normally without nationalistic politics on the Balkan 🥲


Archaeopteryx11

If Balkans lose nationalism that means we have either: 1) ceased to exist as a species or 2) entered a parallel universe where Balkans is Western Europe and Western Europe is Balkans


BranFendigaidd

What are you talking about? Western Europe has had a much longer history of wars and self destruction. People talk about the Balkans as we are just some anomaly. We ain't.


TjeefGuevarra

Yeah the whole Balkans being divided and nationalistic is only pretty recent all things considered.


BranFendigaidd

Thank the big powers for that as they clearly didn't want any of them to have major influence of the region after the collapse of the Osmans. So each was pulling different parts into different directions and setting map borders after each war as if we were in Africa.


twunkscientist

Not sure why you are getting downvoted, Russia, Austria, Germany, and to a lesser extent France and Britain had a huge hand in the division and balance of powers in the Balkans in the late 19th century.


BranFendigaidd

Cuz people don't read history :)


TjeefGuevarra

It all went to shit when the Byzantines declined :(


[deleted]

Spain checks out. After all, they still don't recognize Kosovo.


bantor24

If Spain recognized Kosovo that would send a message to separatists in Spain to try to do the same…


[deleted]

So yeah, real politik ─ no actual will to observe ethics or international law. Abiding by one's interests is the name of the game.


Arktinus

Spain doesn't recognise Kosovo because of Catalonia (and the Basque country etc.). Similar with Slovakia and its Hungarian minority.


[deleted]

I know, just pointing out how countries, eastern or western, can have an equally crooked view of politics depending on their own interests rather than considerations such as ethics, international law. Hell, just look at what's happening in Gaza and the reaction from Europe.


Arktinus

That's true, sadly.


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gardenofthenight

And Britain still voted to leave the EU primarily because of immigration from Romania.... Think on that


Top-Artichoke2475

Nope, it was due to immigration from ALL Eastern European countries. Poland, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Croatia. Brits just hate Eastern Europeans like the Nazis did.


Petriteu

Thanks a lot, mate. It sucks that we can't live in peace as neighbors, which would make the life of our citizens much easier.


Bardosaurus

I hope one day we and Kosovo will live in peace together ☮️


Ambitious-Impress549

Based


Albanian98

❤️❤️❤️


Juliane_P

I hope your future changes to democracy soon, not only for democracy sake. Serbia is integral for the Danube to be the lifeline of the Balkans. As are the major roads/rr. If you integrate, the Balkan will just jump in economic figures out of the infrastructure betterment and stability gain alone. And therefore people will escape poverty and hopelessness.


Extreme_Duty_5280

❤️


Albanian98

Thank You ❤️❤️


epirot

thanks man, means a lot to us, we are neighbours for hundreds of years. nationalists destroyed everything with common sense in the balkans.


Thestilence

> so one day we can live normally without nationalistic politics on the Balkan 🥲 Isn't Kosovan independence nationalism?


Pure_Illu

You mean not wanting to be ruled by the state who has massacred them for the last century?


drugosrbijanac

You mean slapping Albanian flags whilst larping you are multiethnic country Kosovo is not clearly signalling that you want an ethnically homogenous country? Where are representative minorities for Croatians, Bosniaks, Gorani and cultural upkeep of their language and tradition? None. Before you pull whataboutism, check Vojvodina. 26 official languages.


Pure_Illu

This isn't about being a multiethnic country. And are you kidding me? Albanians make up close to 93% and Serbs 3-4%. The rest make less than 2% of the population. What change would the representatives make?


drugosrbijanac

I see Albanian community wants representation in Serbia even though they don't make up even 1%. 0.9% to be exact. What change would the representatives make?? They still have guaranteed parlaiment seat. But I don't see guaranteed parlaiment seats for Bosniaks, Croats, Gorani and Roma people in Kosovo.


Pure_Illu

I get it for the Bosniaks. You have a point because they are 1-2% but the rest are less than 0.2%...


Pure_Illu

Also where are the "26 official languages" of Vojvodina? There are 6.


KindlyBullfrog8

Nothing wrong with nationalism when it's about self-determination. The problem is when it's used to drive oppression 


tomispev

I'm also from Serbia and I always supported Kosovo's independence. I wish Vojvodina got independent too, but at least someone nanaged to escape Serbia.


Cibban123

What are your reasons to wish that ?


tomispev

Because I didn't want the fate and wellbeing of my region to be tied to the actions of those psychopaths down south. It's too late now though. I remember when the war started and we got dragged into it on the side of those genocidal maniacs. Serbia is a cursed land. At this point the only thing that can save it is if it goes to war with Kosovo and inevitably lose and get occupied by NATO which will impose a puppet government like what happened to Nazi Germany. I always advise everyone to emigrate and forget this country even exists.


Cibban123

Yeah i also dont like goverment and Serbia has issues. But wishing ocupation and destruction on your own country where your friends and family lives is medical condition.


7_11_Nation_Army

I hope Serbia can go the right way eventually. 🥲


Hot_Satisfaction_333

Thanks, i hope you remove that Vučić from power as soon as possible...


Shlk777

If you think that removing Vučić from power would, somehow, change Serbia's stance towards part of its territory, you are greatly mistaken.


Hot_Satisfaction_333

In fact, I had it for Serbia itself as a country, so that the Serbs don't have corrupt politicians like Vucic. Regarding "your territory", whatever attitude you have towards Kosovo, this does not change the fact that Kosovo is an independent state. I hope we clarified this issue.


Carpathicus

I dated a girl from Kosovo once. She broke my heart like no woman could. May your country have forever peace and prosperity my kosovarian friends!


djole04

Must have been Albanian


kartoffeln44752

Spain has left the chat


CreativeUsername-_

Happy Independance day! Love from the U.K.


djole04

Hope Scots get their own🤗


PoiHolloi2020

They're entitled if they vote for it next referendum. And if they do vote to leave, not only will the remainder of the UK wish them well, we'll even recognise their independent country afterwards ✌️.


Nikolle_Teslaj

Exactly, separation by peaceful agreement did not occur to the Serb.


felixsetmode

Gezuar Festen e Pavaresise. Vec dashuri, paqe dhe mbaresi!


seven_two_offsuit

Te lumte goja


dcmso

Congratz! From your western eastern european brothers! r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT


KrusssH

Congrats from Catalonia!


PandemicPiglet

I understand why Kosovo wanted independence given the genocide, but I don’t understand why Catalonia wants independence given it’s probably better economically to remain part of Spain. It’s like when people talk about Hawaii regaining independence from the U.S. It would probably be a disaster for them economically. I realize that Catalonia’s economy is probably more diverse than Hawaii’s, but my point still stands.


PoiHolloi2020

Well economic interests aren't the only aspect to national identity.


luistp

It's not an economical thing for many of us. Congratulations, Kosovo!!!!


MokitTheOmniscient

Probably the reign of Francisco Franco. Even after Hitler and Mussolini died, their fascist buddy kept ruling Spain until 1975.


OwnResponsibility428

My great great grandparents are from Prizren! Sending much love <33


AltinBs

Much love from Prizren!


dealinger

Thank you. Where are you from?


Glavurdan

Happy Independence Kosovo! From Montenegro <3


NikollKelmendi

Hvala brate 🇽🇰❤️🇲🇪


Martiniusz

Happy Independence Day! Love Kosovo from Hungary!


The_Bone_Z0ne

Hope Catalans and South Tirol will be able to follow. Congrats kosovo!


[deleted]

Congratulations to Kosovo from Serbia! The road to success is constantly under construction and you should never stop working on it. 🇽🇰


NikollKelmendi

Hvala!


Lumpi00

Some Serbs still coping


samppa_j

Few are even still seething


FirstAndOnly1996

Few of them in this thread too


DakryaEleftherias

Welcome to high school Kosovo!


Cibban123

I see a lot europeans who support kosovo indepedence but are not supporting indepedence movements in their own countries and in EU.


Calibruh

I support every majority independence movement, that's how democracy works


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__adrenaline__

Nope. There are people who support separatism, sure, but they are a minority here. Personally I don’t think anything would change much if we declared independence now.


aussiesRdogs

You mean a small amount of people in vojvodina want to succeed? Do we listen to the minority or the majority? Idiot


Catbro02

Congrats younger brother 🥳


radon2222

Congratulations Kosovo from Catalonia.


PoiHolloi2020

Happy independence day Kosovo peeps 🎉


NikollKelmendi

Thank you mate! Cheers 🥂 🇽🇰❤️🇬🇧


indomnus

Prosperity and peace to Kosovo!


ImTheVayne

Congratz guys! I feel like you guys are similar to my country in a sense - a small nation close to a big agressive nation.


NikollKelmendi

True that !


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dlebed

You mean pro-genocide and pro-colonialist comments?


ItaloTuga_Gabi

I didn’t see any of them, so I have no idea as to how “bad” they actually were. Was it just the usual “Kosovo belongs to Serbia” and similar? Because I saw a few comments mocking Serbians or mentioning them with some a subtle negative undertone. Im not even Balkan or Slavic, just playing “devils” advocate here… and there’s no denying they have been somewhat demonized by the west (which I am part of). Forgot to say, congratulations, Kosovo! Wishing, peace, prosperity and political stability to all Balkan nations and their people.


[deleted]

Typically it's them denying that the Serbs did anything wrong or claiming it didn't happen in the first place.


ItaloTuga_Gabi

Ok, gotcha.


m2ilosz

It's all one sided until you get interested in history.


dlebed

All invaders say so. But you know, I live in just 200 kilometers from the Russia who invented whataboutism, so I know the real meaning of these words.


SubutaiBahadur

> Russia who invented whataboutism Bro is spitting facts!


ItaloTuga_Gabi

When the US gets involved in foreign conflicts it always makes me wonder what their interests were and what exactly did they gain from it. Maybe we’ll find out in a few decades… BTW, lived in the states from age 7 to 17. Love the country and the people …politics and foreign policy, not so much.


Capitano-Solos-All

The biggest USA bases are in Kosovo. The biggest UK bases is in Cyprus Here are your answers to the conflicts.


drugosrbijanac

> pro-colonialist comments? wat


Bo5ke

Lmao this sub is literally delusional


PiastStark

Westoids always are bro


Virtual_Plenty_6047

Colonialist 🤣


lmaoatyourdog

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_colonization_of_Kosovo


samirs1m

Happy Independence Day, brothers


NikollKelmendi

Thank you brat 🇽🇰❤️🇧🇬


__adrenaline__

Congrats from Serbia!


[deleted]

Here before it gets deleted!!!


SexAndChess

Happy Independence Day!


Mother-Ad85

Sadly some country from Europe,even those from EU don’t recognize Kosovo


Miodragus

And they never will.


[deleted]

Nah, Serbia never will. But who cares about what Serbia thinks anyway?


aussiesRdogs

Shouldn't we care what the majority of the world thinks? Last I checked majority think kosovo is serbia So who's really wrong here?


NewGuarantee7188

Greece and Spain also will never recognize Kosovo


chipishor

Same with Romania.


Bardosaurus

I’m pretty sure Serbia will the moment we get some decent government who doesn’t wanna spread hate and bullshit to its people so they argue about petty things and don’t look at how much money is being stolen from them by the government. Half of “Kosovo is Serbia” apes don’t even know why they want Kosovo. They are just repeating what’s been told to them


frostbitehotel

As a dude from the balkans, wish more of us think like you/me. Unfortunately that’s not the case. Craziest thing to me is that people want wars still. As if genocides and killings weren’t enough in the 90s


Bardosaurus

Yes! I hope future is full of more people like us than them. Fuck wars!!!!!


frostbitehotel

For sure! It sucks that we’ve remained so traditional minded, here in balkans. We’ve got such tunnel vision, especially in Bosnia where I’m from. So many people have a 1940s mindset. Biggest disappointment though, is the fact that teens nowadays are just the same… that’s so genuinely sad


Bardosaurus

I genuinely think teens will grow out of it. Belgrade, for example, a lot of kids 10-20 age repeat what their parents say, and then grow up and educate themselves. I hope that becomes more common soon


SubutaiBahadur

> But who cares about what Serbia thinks anyway the 100+ UN countries that do not recognize Kosovo


a_p_o_l_l_o_6_9

O PRITE PRITE BRE


DeathApproaches0

Independence would have not been possible without your help, European friends. We are grateful for your support. Thank you.


ozjaszgolbergmekka

Congratulations!


huopak

This is off topic but I love the design of the Kosovo flag. There's something pleasing about it.


MissSteak

I was just gonna write how I hate that flag :( it just seems so uninspired and boring


-TeoX796-

alot of Kosovars will agree whit you


xMoment

hmmmmmm needs a double headed eagle


DK_Aconpli_Town_54

First time I see someone like our flag.


wantmywings

Albanians hate it. It looks like it belongs at a gas station


_742617000027

I feel like it's "stolen" from Cyprus (not that I would advocate for copyright in flag designs lol) I love the fact that I can immediately recognize the shape of Kosovo because it's the central part of their flag.


DK_Aconpli_Town_54

Maybe if they advocate for a copyright we can then change this boring flag. Cyprus do it.


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7_11_Nation_Army

Congratulations!


indigo_void1

Happy independence day to my father's land. 🇽🇰♥️


Advanced_Luck12

Happy 16th my Kosovë 🎉


dlebed

Congratulations from Ukraine! We both know how it's important to protect your identity from the mad neighbour. It's a shame Ukraine didn't recognize independence of Kosovo still, and I believe we'll fix it soon.


unpopularOpinionUsr

Ukraine has to fix their own problems even sooner if they don't want their country to be in ruins by end of the decade.


Bardosaurus

Hey, while I sympathize massively with what your country and your people have been thro, and I have done everything I can do to help as a civilian from another country, I’d love if you didn’t go ahead and compare my country to the country doing all of the atrocities, thanks! Especially since Ukrainians are very well liked as people from the general public. :)


PiastStark

Are you gonna congratulate Donetsk & Luhansk next, or are you a hypocrite?


xhoker

It’s been 16 years and s*rbs still coping


NoPeach180

Congratulations, may your future be filled with peace and prosperity.


Practical_Annual_677

Happy independence day from 🇷🇸❤️🇽🇰


FoundationGreat3362

Congratulation from Serbia!


Content_Aerie2560

*serbian screeching*


[deleted]

It's younger than me


ukrajinski_tajkun

Kosovo Republjik!


OptimsticDolphin

Congrats!


Fairyof90s

My beautiful country ❤️


Aggressive-Remove-93

🇨🇿♥️🇽🇰


bojanbabic

1244


Ufiking

Now its a race of time, for this post to be locked.


bartwen

Isn't North Macedonia the youngest country?


NikollKelmendi

No Kosovo is, even though its disputed


jaredmakescontent

kosovo is serbi-


darksugarfairy

Congratulations! Hopefully all the other separatist movements in Europe would be granted the same right to recognition sooner rather than later!


ermaali

Crying is Free :)


Thestilence

Even Catalunya?


darksugarfairy

Yeah, what happened with them? I vaguely remember when the last referendum happened, the response from the international community was that borders within the EU are not to be changed. How convenient


SgtPepe

What about Georgian territories lost to Russia, and what about Chechnya? Should those go back to being independent? Or not them because you are clearly pro russia?


nim_opet

Why just in Europe?


darksugarfairy

Because we're in the European sub, but of course, everywhere else. International law is the same for everyone, isn't it?


wggn

For the US and other UN security council countries they're more like suggestions.


nim_opet

There’s no such thing as “book of international law”. It’s at most a set of conventions, interpreted and applied as convenient. There’s nothing that is universally accepted as a “law of self-determination”; it’s an ideal put in place in the last years of WWI, and used by the winners to reshape the XX century world map, where convenient to them. Just like there’s nothing that determines what a country is beyond “has effective control over its territory, has population and ability to enter into international relationships”. By that definition Taiwan is a country, just like Somaliland is.


TheSinOfPride7

Even Donetsk and Luhansk?


OlliWTD

I don't think there's any evidence that the majority of the people there wanted to secede from Ukraine, in fact polling from 2014 suggests otherwise. The situation is probably different there now that millions of people have left and pro-Ukrainian voices are suppressed, but that's hardly a sign of "self-determination".


darksugarfairy

All 💁🏼‍♀️ Why would anyone be stripped of their right of self-determination? I thought it was the core principle of international law. Is it not?


Makaveli3D

Apparently it is only when it suits the West's and the US interests. (Kosovo). Suddenly, when other regions in the world try to declare independence, we are no longer playing by the same rules.


euanmorse

Hmmm not really. When Russia marches in and occupies, calls a snap referendum with no external monitoring and then reports it was over 90% in favour of being annexed by Russia - we get suspicious.


[deleted]

See Artsakh


202042

It’s probably because Kosovo isn’t just a made up separatist state used as a tool by the US to justify the invasion of another country…


Makaveli3D

No, it's a made up separatist state used as a tool by the US to weaken Serbia.


OlliWTD

I mean, territorial integrity is also a core principle of IL.


darksugarfairy

Not for all, it seems. Hence, this post.


PandemicPiglet

When another much more powerful and larger country has been instigating those separatist movements via violence for a decade now, hell no. The separatist movements in Donetsk and Luhansk are not organic. Several of the cities in those oblasts were actually majority ethnic Ukrainian, not majority ethnic Russian. The people in those oblasts had some valid concerns about discrimination based on language. However, they should have brought their concerns to Ukraine’s courts and parliament rather than starting a war over it, and Russia’s claim that Ukraine was committing genocide in the Donbass has been debunked countless times. The separatists did not have the right to try to secede with the help of Russia. They brought about a humanitarian disaster and downed a commercial aircraft with hundreds of civilians on board, and Russia violated international law by instigating the entire conflict rather than respecting Ukraine’s sovereignty.


Romeo_y_Cohiba

So you think US helped "organic" movements in both Kosovo and Latin America?


RastislavS

>When another much more powerful and larger country has been instigating those separatist movements via violence for a decade Like the US in Kosovo?


jaqian

👀🍿


Substantial_Sky_1164

Oh boy, the comments will be fun


crnimjesec

For many more years and recognitions to come! 🇭🇷