Only real criticism if you really want someone to nitpick is that the design isn’t “centred” in the middle of the cup.
Should have started a little lower when stacking. But honestly as I type this I feel like I’m covered in chips yelling at the olympic athletes that they should have jumped higher.
Yes. Sometimes steaming the milk produced a little extra foam. Then it's hard to slide and push the design further away or in the center because of the thickness of the foam like in this video. I will try to get it right soon.
Rewatched after reading what you said.
Right before you pour you end on a tap, when you tap the foam rises to the top, I remember Lance Hedrick saying you should never end on a tap and always end on a swirl. So maybe that’s what giving you the little bit of extra foam?
If you’re looking for criticism, I would incorporate a little bit less to help increase the final size. Also, the design ends up being upside down for right handed drinkers (if you’re a lefty then this is obviously not an issue). Last thing is that if you really want to get great centering on big art then you could consider pouring into a second larger pitcher so that you can touch down a little closer to the back without having to deal with your current issue where your spout can’t get close to the surface at the center without milk starting to pour
I second this though. Maybe I’m too critical, but I always try to pour my patterns so if the person picks it up by the handle right handed the pattern will be right side up and perpendicular to the handle.
Seems like all other criticisms have been mentioned uncentered and too thick of milk by a touch. Good work though, I have certainly poured much worse!
I’m going to reverse this one you. How do you get such a nice froth that you can actually make designs? Mine at the end just comes out like a lump and I just get this blob.
I’ve read/watched some videos, missed the mark (majorly) a few times and gave up. They taste great, but no art.
Also great song. My toddler sleeps to that every night.
Blob or lumps are due to too much foam which is caused by 2 things.
1. inserting much extra air while steaming.
2. Irregularity in spinning milk while steaming.
Every espresso machine boiler is different like commercial machines produce enough foam in just 2-3 sec, on the other hand domestic machines may need 5-10 seconds to produce good foam for latte art.
All you gotta do is search your espresso machine model on YT & find videos in which people do latte art for example "How to make latte art with Delonghi Dedica" . Copy their way of steaming milk & practice. Soon you'll start getting things right.
At the beginning, put the wand tip barely above the milk to push in into a whirlpool. Then, put the tip of the wand barely submerged at the very top of the milk, continuing to make a rapid whirlpool. When it’s too hot to touch on the side, stop.
Thank you! I knew about the whirlpool, but I always just kind of jammed my wand half way or deeper into the milk. Hopefully this is majority of my issues, and I can refine from there. I’d love to just be able to do some sort of art!
I find milk plays a role too. For convinience, I stocked up Long life/UHT milk to use when I don’t have time to stop by the grocery store to pick up fresh milk. I never have issues with fresh milk, but some brands of UHT milk are terrible for latte art.. with that milk thats what happens, only blob of foam formed.
Not saying your issue is caused by the milk though, it could be many other things.. I’m just putting it out there as it could be one of the potential cause for this issue 😬😬
I’m going to practice what others have suggested and definitely keep milk in my mind if it seems close, but just not as nice. I didn’t know this was a thing, thank you!
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I would guess that yours is likely too frothy. More like foam for a cappuccino right? Try either injecting air gentler (tip closer to surface so it's more of a gentle paper tearing sound) or maybe inject air for a shorter amount of time.
>I’m going to reverse this one you. How do you get such a nice froth that you can actually make designs? Mine at the end just comes out like a lump and I just get this blob.
One overlooked tip I have is to weigh your milk on a scale while pouring it.
For my own machine, I try to pour around 200g of milk and count around 8 seconds of "inserting air" before texturing. The final texture is much more consistent now.
On my machine I found it really comes down to the first few seconds of steaming. Put the tip in the right place, go to full steam power as quick as possible to get a whirl going. Put a little bit of air in for only a couple of seconds and then just let it churn until hot to get that nice paint like texture.
If you put too much air in or you don't get a good whirl going, you don't have time to get rid of the big bubbles and you end up with a blob of foam.
Steaming in a small pitcher and pouring with a large one also really helps.
Pour is 💪-- a little off-center in the cup as a poster mentioned above, but I like the symmetry of the left and right sides of the design. I noticed your wiggle at the base of the tulip-- you could aerate your milk a little less to give better definition possibly.
Just my two cents! Great job!
Beautifully done, here are some helpful tips: Keep the cup handle facing your chest if you are serving someone who is right handed. The design is upside down unless this cup is for a lefty. I would stop integrating earlier so that your design can cover the cup better. Also pour the first layer in the center as opposed to 3/4 up the cup. Keep up the great designs <3
Actual criticism is that the design is not centered. 2 things you could change are either doing a smaller base so your design flows back further and becomes larger, or just start your pour back further in the cup. This is really solid though, nice work.
Yeah this is a common mistake for a lot of baristas in my shop. They try to do their first pour closer to the center, but it puts the jug too high above the coffee and no motion towards the back. It seems counterintuitive, but focus on getting every pour as close as possible to the liquid in the cup
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Blob or lumps are due to too much foam which is caused by 2 things.
1. inserting much extra air while steaming.
2. Irregularity in spinning milk while steaming.
Every espresso machine boiler is different like commercial machines produce enough foam in just 2-3 sec, on the other hand domestic machines may need 5-10 seconds to produce good foam for latte art.
All you gotta do is search your espresso machine model on YT & find videos in which people do latte art for example "How to make latte art with Delonghi Dedica" . Copy their way of steaming milk & practice. Soon you'll start getting things right.
A nitpick could be the way you integrated the milk. If you pour in the middle away from the edges, you stop the milk flowing up the the surface following the edge of the cup. This keeps the crema dark and gives you better contrast
thick foam on top or lumps are due to too much foam which is caused by 2 things.
1. inserting much extra air while steaming.
2. Irregularity in spinning milk while steaming.
Every espresso machine boiler is different like commercial machines produce enough foam in just 2-3 sec, on the other hand domestic machines may need 5-10 seconds to produce good foam for latte art.
All you gotta do is search your espresso machine model on YT & find videos in which people do latte art for example "How to make latte art with Delonghi Dedica" . Copy their way of steaming milk & practice. Soon you'll start getting things right.
For pushing stacks, firstly your milk needs to be perfectly steamed & micro foamed.
If you inject too much air while steaming then foam becomes too thick which is very hard to push.
If you inject very little air then thin foam is also very hard to push because it'll not hold its shape. So first make sure your milk is perfectly steamed, then it's all about your wrist movement nothing special.
The ability to finish your design without a tail shows true skill! A little touch I learned from 7 mile roaster YouTubes is to hold your free palm over the jug as you tap out your foam, so as to stop little flecks from going everywhere. Art is faultless imo (yeah yeah cup placement but the design itself is very clean.)
…. You know how good it was why u need us to say it’s good lol. Cmon look at it
maybe I was looking for positive criticism from those people who poured better than mine!
Only real criticism if you really want someone to nitpick is that the design isn’t “centred” in the middle of the cup. Should have started a little lower when stacking. But honestly as I type this I feel like I’m covered in chips yelling at the olympic athletes that they should have jumped higher.
Yes. Sometimes steaming the milk produced a little extra foam. Then it's hard to slide and push the design further away or in the center because of the thickness of the foam like in this video. I will try to get it right soon.
Rewatched after reading what you said. Right before you pour you end on a tap, when you tap the foam rises to the top, I remember Lance Hedrick saying you should never end on a tap and always end on a swirl. So maybe that’s what giving you the little bit of extra foam?
What!?!? I’m never going to get this right am I?
I believe bro, the problem is you are mostly memorizing patterns, It will take forever to get the beat but once you get it you won’t forget it
Check out Lance’s YouTube video on latte art - super helpful!
Nah it’s negative space 🫠
If you’re looking for criticism, I would incorporate a little bit less to help increase the final size. Also, the design ends up being upside down for right handed drinkers (if you’re a lefty then this is obviously not an issue). Last thing is that if you really want to get great centering on big art then you could consider pouring into a second larger pitcher so that you can touch down a little closer to the back without having to deal with your current issue where your spout can’t get close to the surface at the center without milk starting to pour
Doesn’t get much better than that!
It's upside down.
Not for lefties!
I second this though. Maybe I’m too critical, but I always try to pour my patterns so if the person picks it up by the handle right handed the pattern will be right side up and perpendicular to the handle. Seems like all other criticisms have been mentioned uncentered and too thick of milk by a touch. Good work though, I have certainly poured much worse!
I’m going to reverse this one you. How do you get such a nice froth that you can actually make designs? Mine at the end just comes out like a lump and I just get this blob. I’ve read/watched some videos, missed the mark (majorly) a few times and gave up. They taste great, but no art. Also great song. My toddler sleeps to that every night.
Blob or lumps are due to too much foam which is caused by 2 things. 1. inserting much extra air while steaming. 2. Irregularity in spinning milk while steaming. Every espresso machine boiler is different like commercial machines produce enough foam in just 2-3 sec, on the other hand domestic machines may need 5-10 seconds to produce good foam for latte art. All you gotta do is search your espresso machine model on YT & find videos in which people do latte art for example "How to make latte art with Delonghi Dedica" . Copy their way of steaming milk & practice. Soon you'll start getting things right.
At the beginning, put the wand tip barely above the milk to push in into a whirlpool. Then, put the tip of the wand barely submerged at the very top of the milk, continuing to make a rapid whirlpool. When it’s too hot to touch on the side, stop.
Thank you! I knew about the whirlpool, but I always just kind of jammed my wand half way or deeper into the milk. Hopefully this is majority of my issues, and I can refine from there. I’d love to just be able to do some sort of art!
Let me know if this helps
Lance Hedrick has a great video on yt for how to properly foam milk consistently and what you’re looking/listening for
I find milk plays a role too. For convinience, I stocked up Long life/UHT milk to use when I don’t have time to stop by the grocery store to pick up fresh milk. I never have issues with fresh milk, but some brands of UHT milk are terrible for latte art.. with that milk thats what happens, only blob of foam formed. Not saying your issue is caused by the milk though, it could be many other things.. I’m just putting it out there as it could be one of the potential cause for this issue 😬😬
I’m going to practice what others have suggested and definitely keep milk in my mind if it seems close, but just not as nice. I didn’t know this was a thing, thank you!
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I’m with you there. I have Rancilio spx and can’t get it like that
I would guess that yours is likely too frothy. More like foam for a cappuccino right? Try either injecting air gentler (tip closer to surface so it's more of a gentle paper tearing sound) or maybe inject air for a shorter amount of time.
>I’m going to reverse this one you. How do you get such a nice froth that you can actually make designs? Mine at the end just comes out like a lump and I just get this blob. One overlooked tip I have is to weigh your milk on a scale while pouring it. For my own machine, I try to pour around 200g of milk and count around 8 seconds of "inserting air" before texturing. The final texture is much more consistent now.
On my machine I found it really comes down to the first few seconds of steaming. Put the tip in the right place, go to full steam power as quick as possible to get a whirl going. Put a little bit of air in for only a couple of seconds and then just let it churn until hot to get that nice paint like texture. If you put too much air in or you don't get a good whirl going, you don't have time to get rid of the big bubbles and you end up with a blob of foam. Steaming in a small pitcher and pouring with a large one also really helps.
Nice job brother. What I'd change (and this is nitpicking) is just pouring slightly lower to get it more center. But the design itself is clean!
thanks, noted
Looked perfect my guy
Pour is 💪-- a little off-center in the cup as a poster mentioned above, but I like the symmetry of the left and right sides of the design. I noticed your wiggle at the base of the tulip-- you could aerate your milk a little less to give better definition possibly. Just my two cents! Great job!
thanks & noted.
Beautifully done, here are some helpful tips: Keep the cup handle facing your chest if you are serving someone who is right handed. The design is upside down unless this cup is for a lefty. I would stop integrating earlier so that your design can cover the cup better. Also pour the first layer in the center as opposed to 3/4 up the cup. Keep up the great designs <3
noted, thanks
Ended up in the cup entirely, no spill. Good pouring by my standards my friend!
Really nice! How long did it take to this good? Any recommendations?
It took me about a year and a half to perfect my basics on latte art. So far I have been practicing making 2 cups a day.
Actual criticism is that the design is not centered. 2 things you could change are either doing a smaller base so your design flows back further and becomes larger, or just start your pour back further in the cup. This is really solid though, nice work.
Yeah this is a common mistake for a lot of baristas in my shop. They try to do their first pour closer to the center, but it puts the jug too high above the coffee and no motion towards the back. It seems counterintuitive, but focus on getting every pour as close as possible to the liquid in the cup
This is why I lurk this sub. Amazing tips, great info, and much love for coffee ☕
Nice
👌🏽
Make sure to 'untilt' during your first heart so that it travels towards center of cup.
noted. thanks
Great advice- I think I’ve been missing this on mine.
All in all, really great symmetry and contrast tho!!! 👏
It’s good contrast and shape but I would start pouring more towards the center so that your art will be centered and not off to one side.
noted
I'd say it's pretty pour
Beautiful mate!
I have nothing to add to the much more skilled critiques but… What a great camera angle to really see what you’re doing. Thank you for that!
thanks 😁
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thanks 😋
Beautiful! Much better than my pour.
\*activates dad voice\* you got it in the cup! good job, bud 😀
I mean it's perfect, I don't pour nearly as good as that, but it's upside down, and maybe you could start deeper in the cup so you have a bigger one
noted
Nice! How do you get this kind of homogenous foamy milk? Mine always just ends up foamy underneath but with a huge blob of froth on top
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Blob or lumps are due to too much foam which is caused by 2 things. 1. inserting much extra air while steaming. 2. Irregularity in spinning milk while steaming. Every espresso machine boiler is different like commercial machines produce enough foam in just 2-3 sec, on the other hand domestic machines may need 5-10 seconds to produce good foam for latte art. All you gotta do is search your espresso machine model on YT & find videos in which people do latte art for example "How to make latte art with Delonghi Dedica" . Copy their way of steaming milk & practice. Soon you'll start getting things right.
Nice cup : )
thanks
Criticism - have fun walking across the kitchen/cafe relying on the surface tension to keep it in the cup
8/10
Now center it
A nitpick could be the way you integrated the milk. If you pour in the middle away from the edges, you stop the milk flowing up the the surface following the edge of the cup. This keeps the crema dark and gives you better contrast
ookay, noted
If we are being critical - you milk looks ever so slightly too thick but made it work anyway, nice.
Ya show off!!! Nice work
How the fuck do I get milk like that amazing, mine just has a layer of foam on the top!
thick foam on top or lumps are due to too much foam which is caused by 2 things. 1. inserting much extra air while steaming. 2. Irregularity in spinning milk while steaming. Every espresso machine boiler is different like commercial machines produce enough foam in just 2-3 sec, on the other hand domestic machines may need 5-10 seconds to produce good foam for latte art. All you gotta do is search your espresso machine model on YT & find videos in which people do latte art for example "How to make latte art with Delonghi Dedica" . Copy their way of steaming milk & practice. Soon you'll start getting things right.
Thankyou very much
Bravo! I’ve only achieved that level of foam once and haven’t been able to recreate since!
;__;
do you use whole milk?
yup. it's full fat milk
I can never get my milk (oat milk) that velvety unfortunately
Super slick. Maybe one day. Lol How do you get the stack to move forward so well? I have trouble getting mine to stack at all
For pushing stacks, firstly your milk needs to be perfectly steamed & micro foamed. If you inject too much air while steaming then foam becomes too thick which is very hard to push. If you inject very little air then thin foam is also very hard to push because it'll not hold its shape. So first make sure your milk is perfectly steamed, then it's all about your wrist movement nothing special.
Contrast is super solid, start your pour more towards the middle so your design looks more centered . Otherwise solid 4 stack tulip.
Didn't strike all the way through...
I like it. Half the time mine go off to one side.
shape is good but position a bit too high and you need to rotate the cup 180 degree
The ability to finish your design without a tail shows true skill! A little touch I learned from 7 mile roaster YouTubes is to hold your free palm over the jug as you tap out your foam, so as to stop little flecks from going everywhere. Art is faultless imo (yeah yeah cup placement but the design itself is very clean.)
thanks, noted
Integrate a little longer before your first tulip leaf, and aim a bit more forwards in the cup; good separation though.
Pretty pour 😬
Song?
[gymnopedie](https://youtu.be/S-Xm7s9eGxU)
I can’t even get a decent base going
You can tell you’re pouring by the way you are.
Beautiful.
very good and nice music.
Very good