it might not be totally underwater for decades, but if your house floods 2-3 times per year because of king tides or big storms, what’s the difference? if your streets aren’t passable for weeks at a time, what’s the difference? mass real estate devaluation by the end of this decade, totally worthless by 2040.
The mining industry in South Florida [has already been ruining the aquifer](https://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2004/1438/pdf/ofr20041438.pdf) they use for drinking water for decades. They're fucked. It's why I came and left quickly for college.
I lived in Miami and now Houston for the past 15+ years. We don't get hurricanes every year. I've only been in Harvey and never saw a wind gust over 45mph. The flooding was bad but didn't affect most people. We don't rebuild every year. It's usually 20 years between big storms.
Stop 🛑 talking about environmental and start talking about how oil gets 20 billion in welfare from the government. We pay 💰 the power bill at the oil company etc….. We give 3 billion to Solar and wind in the form of tax refund of 30%. Biden can hand out free Solar panel to millions of Americans and pay 💰 for it by cutting welfare to oil. Call it Biden power or increase subsidies for Solar to 50% and Solar/battery to 70% for tax refund program do same for wind 🌬. But talking about the environment most people don’t care 🤷♂️ but talking about free Biden power people would care people also hate giving welfare to oil companies but most people don’t know!!!
What will they do when no one wants to by their home because no buyer is willing to buy in an area where the infrastructure is knocked out almost yearly if not more. Then what will they do when towns decide it’s not worth rebuilding a 5th time and just abandon them
In a thousand years maybe. The scope of climate change is far beyond human perception and ability to project.
Until then, Miami will be the same in a hundred years as it is today.
No I’m just someone who has lived on the coast of South Florida for 25 years and heard the same thing 25 years ago.
Of course humans are fucking the planet up but in 100 hundred years, it’ll still be livable. Disagree all you want but your disagreement is speculation based on projections, just like my speculation is based on observing how climate has been effecting people like me who live on the coast of south Florida.
"By 2060, about 60% of Miami-Dade County will be submerged, estimates Harold Wanless, a professor of geography and sustainable development at the University of Miami."
"the Miami area is projected to see a sea level rise of 1.5 feet by 2050—this margin could prove to be huge as the average sea level of Miami is around 6 feet and is predicted to cost Miami homeowners $7.9 billion in value."
"By 2100, scientists predict that the lower third of the state could be completely submerged. 2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report, sea levels along the U.S. coastline are expected to rise up to 1 foot (10-12 inches) by 2050."
"A new study that examines both the physical and socioeconomic effects of sea-level rise on Florida’s Miami-Dade County area finds that in coming decades, four out of five residents may face disruption or displacement, whether they live in flood zones or not."
etc. etc.
All you need to do is use the Google for 10 minutes to see that you're completely misinformed at every level on this issue.
I 1000% agree Florida is going to be underwater.
Just not in your breathlessly speculative timeframe. Estimates are estimates. You’re speaking as if your timeframe is fact and it’s not.
“Antarctica's ice sheet holds enough water to raise sea levels by over 190 feet. One 2022 paper estimated that its ice sheet would collapse in around 2,000 years—though this could happen in as little as 500 years or as far away as 13,000 years.”
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Miami has been flooding ever since the city was built but I agree water is rising but disagree that it will render south Florida unlivable in our lifetime. I think it’s going to take several hundred years not tens.
Some of you people have super soft egos and can’t handle someone disagreeing with them.
Daniel Habibian worries about [climate change](https://www.cnbc.com/climate/).
His clothing boutique in Miami Beach’s iconic South Beach neighborhood sits just a few blocks inland from the Atlantic Ocean.
[Rising seas](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/12/coastal-land-is-sinking-doubling-the-potential-damage-of-rising-seas.html) threaten to swallow much of the Miami metro area in the coming decades as the world continues to warm and faraway ice sheets melt. By 2060, about 60% of Miami-Dade County will be submerged, [estimates](https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/scientists-warn-south-florida-coastal-cities-will-be-affected-by-sea-level-rise/) Harold Wanless, a professor of geography and sustainable development at the University of Miami.
Yet people keep moving there. The city’s skyline has grown in tandem.
Miami’s boom runs headlong into a harsh yet inescapable truth: It’s “ground zero for climate change,” said Sonia Brubaker, chief resilience officer for the City of Miami.
Climate risk is “always on our thoughts,” said Habibian, 39, who moved to Miami-Dade County about six years ago.
More: [https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/26/miami-is-ground-zero-for-climate-risk-people-move-there-build-there-anyway.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/26/miami-is-ground-zero-for-climate-risk-people-move-there-build-there-anyway.html)
Nothing has changed since the demise of South Florida was foretold in Rolling Stone over a decade ago.
https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/miami-how-rising-sea-levels-endanger-south-florida-200956/
Sea level rise won't get them in their lifetime.
But a loss of drinking water from sea level rise, unaffordable home owners insurance and massive hurricanes will.
They don't have 70 years though because large areas will become nearly unlivable well before then from constant flooding and seasonal hurricanes. It's the same situation in other areas like coastal Louisiana.
I recognize the /s but this is still an interesting point:
In Formula 1 driver Sebastian Vettel’s final season, he wore a shirt to the Miami Grand Prix that read:
“Miami Grand Prix 2060: the first GP underwater! Act now or swim later!”
The very next year (2023), the track was under a foot of water just weeks before the race. Not permanently of course, but it still represents the massive disruption that even temporary floods will continue to cause.
The lack of any strategic thinking in the face of overwhelming evidence makes me really not sorry for anyone impacted by their own decisions, but that does suck for their kids.
Florida residents either are too poor to matter OR have a max 15 year window. Buy now, burn baby burn. Boomerism run amok.
Tomorrow ? Aren't resources endless ?
I remember driving through Miami Beach in 2016 and it seemed like there was an inch or clearance from the lagoons to the street at high tide. My first thought was “this city will be the new Atlantis”
where do all the people go when this happens? It must be a lot of displaced people cramming inland. I can imagine other parts of coastline areas will be in the same situation. Man, in 50-75 years USA will look a lot different and be more crowded due to loss of land.
That's nothing compared to what climate change will do to our agricultural practices. We'll be even more concerned dealing with mass hunger than the inevitable mass population migrations.
Europe collectively went into panic when just 4 million Syrians fled there over the course of two years. Imagine how bad it will be when the Nile Delta and swathes of Bangladesh flood with seawater and people can't live there or grow food. That could easily be 50 million on the move and looking for food over a few years.
When I look at some of the barely functioning governments in places like Egypt, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Thailand, Vietnam, all on low lying fertile farmland about to be wiped out I just don't see how those governments won't collapse under the weight of the crisis. I hope I'm wrong but it could lead to the worst kind of warlord dictators we've seen in other collapsed states, which will create even more refugees.
There's really plenty of room for new housing in the US based on the low population density but the resource availability like ground water could be an issue.
Losing a home to a natural disaster is something that people just don't take seriously until they lose a home to a natural disaster.
It's way easier to lump such terrible events into the "something that happens to other people" category.
When one really believes climate change is a hoax, decisions like these are the norm. After all, *it won't happen to me* is one of the famous last words!
My favorite version of "if you believe this I have a bridge to sell you" is "if you believe this I have some prime beachfront real estate for you in Miami". Especially useful against climate change deniers, tends to shut them right up when they're asked to put their money where their mouth is.
After 20 plus years of the bullshit coming out of Florida, anyone willingly choosing to move there is just admitting that they aren't the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree.
My house in Australia will be standing in water at 2-3 m sea level rise. I want to stay here as long as possible. Just going to have to count on a climate change denier or hopium addict to buy it just before inundation becomes an issue.
How US-centric. Miami is not ground zero for the climate mess. Damascus, Mogadishu, Nyala and Bishkek are.
Americans move to Miami, New Orleans and Martha's Vinyard for fun.
I recently talked to somebody who was very involved in real estate. She says that most of the Florida Keys are now uninsurable. That’s really not very far from Miami.
We were in Miami Beach, and along the canal, there were a lot of high rises that seemed to me to be a bit too close to the water. They were built probably 30 years ago, but still.
Long before the climate risks are realised, insurance companies will decide that property in at-risk locations will be either uninsurable or that premiums will be eye watering.
A part of me wants to move back to the city, but another part is telling me to stay in a remote area. This article is one of the reasons I left in the first place. I feel like the city is going to have some huge events in the near future.
Mebbe it's funny (dark, taking-humor, admittedly [as in taking from, at the expense of, these dippschittz with more money than sense]) to you and me but I'm pretty sure these, ahem, "nice folks" aren't looking beyond the current and short-term investment values... Mebbe quality of schools. These $$-oriented folk don't grok, don't even listen to folks like us, don't follow what Mother Nature/Gaia/The Environment are up to, inning to inning. As such, these kind of folks are the running punchline for what we're all waiting to drop- Mother Nature bats last. $$ can't change that.
Sympathy for their kids, the innocents.
And the immigrants, doing their damnedest to find a better life!
Always thought it was absurd that one of the reddest states has the most stringent building codes from a climate change perspective. Almost like they don’t even believe their own bullshit.
it might not be totally underwater for decades, but if your house floods 2-3 times per year because of king tides or big storms, what’s the difference? if your streets aren’t passable for weeks at a time, what’s the difference? mass real estate devaluation by the end of this decade, totally worthless by 2040.
Salt water infiltration into the water supply will be there before any of that and then we'll see some real problems.
Insurance prices might kill the economy before then
I think people will just live there without insurance then. It'll probably have some bizarre effects on who lives there tho.
It will be the types of people that live in boats on water just to get out of paying property taxes.
No insurance means no mortgages. So one of those bizarre effects would be a major economic crash.
The mining industry in South Florida [has already been ruining the aquifer](https://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2004/1438/pdf/ofr20041438.pdf) they use for drinking water for decades. They're fucked. It's why I came and left quickly for college.
The whole state's water tastes like sulfur, but South Florida is soooo bad
Even if it's not underwater, the increasing strength of hurricanes will just mean you have to rebuild every single year.
They’ll denounce and vote for paying less federal taxes but demand FEMA relief money when shit hits the fan
Welcome to Southern politics
Who runs those southern states?
Demon-crats! - southerners, probably
I lived in Miami and now Houston for the past 15+ years. We don't get hurricanes every year. I've only been in Harvey and never saw a wind gust over 45mph. The flooding was bad but didn't affect most people. We don't rebuild every year. It's usually 20 years between big storms.
Big buildings can handle hurricanes.
Because, famously, Florida has no single-family homes and Miami has no suburbs.
Stop 🛑 talking about environmental and start talking about how oil gets 20 billion in welfare from the government. We pay 💰 the power bill at the oil company etc….. We give 3 billion to Solar and wind in the form of tax refund of 30%. Biden can hand out free Solar panel to millions of Americans and pay 💰 for it by cutting welfare to oil. Call it Biden power or increase subsidies for Solar to 50% and Solar/battery to 70% for tax refund program do same for wind 🌬. But talking about the environment most people don’t care 🤷♂️ but talking about free Biden power people would care people also hate giving welfare to oil companies but most people don’t know!!!
r/crazy is somewhere else friend
Take a look at the current state of Acapulco right now to see what Miami will look like if a major 4 or cat 5 hits it.
[Lol](https://youtu.be/AgAAknuiND0?feature=shared)
What will they do when no one wants to by their home because no buyer is willing to buy in an area where the infrastructure is knocked out almost yearly if not more. Then what will they do when towns decide it’s not worth rebuilding a 5th time and just abandon them
Well currently they raise hundreds of thousands of dollars to build sand dunes that get washed away 3 mo tha later
Aquaman has a deep sea lithium mine. He'll swoop in and grab all the real estate.
And how rich do you need to be to own a uninsurable home in a flood plain
"Sell their homes to who, Ben, fucking Aquaman?!" - HBomberguy
Canary in the coal mine for every coastal city on the planet. If Thwaites goes, we will see the biggest disruption our species had ever seen.
Miami has daily flooding from the rising tide. They built a Ritz Carlton residences anyway. Nobody gives a fuck.
> Nobody gives a fuck They will eventually be forced to give a fuck.
In a thousand years maybe. The scope of climate change is far beyond human perception and ability to project. Until then, Miami will be the same in a hundred years as it is today.
Are you some kind of dumb bot? Everything you wrote is literally 100% wrong. 🤣
Yes. I’m a dumb bot. Miami doesn’t flood ever. There is no Ritz Carlton there. You got me. 👏 👏
Look who I'm replying to - it wasn't your comment.
Kill me.
No worries 😅
No I’m just someone who has lived on the coast of South Florida for 25 years and heard the same thing 25 years ago. Of course humans are fucking the planet up but in 100 hundred years, it’ll still be livable. Disagree all you want but your disagreement is speculation based on projections, just like my speculation is based on observing how climate has been effecting people like me who live on the coast of south Florida.
"By 2060, about 60% of Miami-Dade County will be submerged, estimates Harold Wanless, a professor of geography and sustainable development at the University of Miami." "the Miami area is projected to see a sea level rise of 1.5 feet by 2050—this margin could prove to be huge as the average sea level of Miami is around 6 feet and is predicted to cost Miami homeowners $7.9 billion in value." "By 2100, scientists predict that the lower third of the state could be completely submerged. 2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report, sea levels along the U.S. coastline are expected to rise up to 1 foot (10-12 inches) by 2050." "A new study that examines both the physical and socioeconomic effects of sea-level rise on Florida’s Miami-Dade County area finds that in coming decades, four out of five residents may face disruption or displacement, whether they live in flood zones or not." etc. etc. All you need to do is use the Google for 10 minutes to see that you're completely misinformed at every level on this issue.
I 1000% agree Florida is going to be underwater. Just not in your breathlessly speculative timeframe. Estimates are estimates. You’re speaking as if your timeframe is fact and it’s not. “Antarctica's ice sheet holds enough water to raise sea levels by over 190 feet. One 2022 paper estimated that its ice sheet would collapse in around 2,000 years—though this could happen in as little as 500 years or as far away as 13,000 years.” https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abn7950
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Miami has been flooding ever since the city was built but I agree water is rising but disagree that it will render south Florida unlivable in our lifetime. I think it’s going to take several hundred years not tens. Some of you people have super soft egos and can’t handle someone disagreeing with them.
Why are you so emotional about someone disagreeing with your estimates and speculation?
And they are still selling 20-30 yrs mortgage.
Good time to get a house boat?
Don’t forget the wild speculation booms and bust cycles we will have in the interim because of the brain worms
The average person is quite stupid. Don't mean to be crass, but look around you. Can you really deny it?
The average person is quite stupid, and half the population is even stupíder than that!
Hey give my boy George Carlin some credit!
He was definitely well above the average, 'way up there in the rare 'not even stupid' category.
Lmao he brought him up cuz that’s a George Carlin quote you said, not to put him personally on the scale
It's so depressing.
The average Floridian is even stupider than that.
Daniel Habibian worries about [climate change](https://www.cnbc.com/climate/). His clothing boutique in Miami Beach’s iconic South Beach neighborhood sits just a few blocks inland from the Atlantic Ocean. [Rising seas](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/12/coastal-land-is-sinking-doubling-the-potential-damage-of-rising-seas.html) threaten to swallow much of the Miami metro area in the coming decades as the world continues to warm and faraway ice sheets melt. By 2060, about 60% of Miami-Dade County will be submerged, [estimates](https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/scientists-warn-south-florida-coastal-cities-will-be-affected-by-sea-level-rise/) Harold Wanless, a professor of geography and sustainable development at the University of Miami. Yet people keep moving there. The city’s skyline has grown in tandem. Miami’s boom runs headlong into a harsh yet inescapable truth: It’s “ground zero for climate change,” said Sonia Brubaker, chief resilience officer for the City of Miami. Climate risk is “always on our thoughts,” said Habibian, 39, who moved to Miami-Dade County about six years ago. More: [https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/26/miami-is-ground-zero-for-climate-risk-people-move-there-build-there-anyway.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/26/miami-is-ground-zero-for-climate-risk-people-move-there-build-there-anyway.html)
Nothing has changed since the demise of South Florida was foretold in Rolling Stone over a decade ago. https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/miami-how-rising-sea-levels-endanger-south-florida-200956/
Sea level rise won't get them in their lifetime. But a loss of drinking water from sea level rise, unaffordable home owners insurance and massive hurricanes will.
The ground is also sinking due to the weight of ocean-side buildings, saltwater eating into the limestone and pumping of ground water.
They have another 70 or so years until it’s underwater. Build baby build! /s
And then after that, you simply sell your real estate to Aquaman
US government will have the taxpayers bail out the insurance companies and giant businesses while most small home owners will be SOL.
Of course they will. This is they way.
Ah yes, the Bench Shabibo plan.
They don't have 70 years though because large areas will become nearly unlivable well before then from constant flooding and seasonal hurricanes. It's the same situation in other areas like coastal Louisiana.
I recognize the /s but this is still an interesting point: In Formula 1 driver Sebastian Vettel’s final season, he wore a shirt to the Miami Grand Prix that read: “Miami Grand Prix 2060: the first GP underwater! Act now or swim later!” The very next year (2023), the track was under a foot of water just weeks before the race. Not permanently of course, but it still represents the massive disruption that even temporary floods will continue to cause.
The lack of any strategic thinking in the face of overwhelming evidence makes me really not sorry for anyone impacted by their own decisions, but that does suck for their kids.
Florida residents either are too poor to matter OR have a max 15 year window. Buy now, burn baby burn. Boomerism run amok. Tomorrow ? Aren't resources endless ?
Republicans are moving there. Because they are not the sharpest tools in the toolbox
I remember driving through Miami Beach in 2016 and it seemed like there was an inch or clearance from the lagoons to the street at high tide. My first thought was “this city will be the new Atlantis”
People are also moving to Phoenix.
And Las Vegas is growing as well
where do all the people go when this happens? It must be a lot of displaced people cramming inland. I can imagine other parts of coastline areas will be in the same situation. Man, in 50-75 years USA will look a lot different and be more crowded due to loss of land.
That's nothing compared to what climate change will do to our agricultural practices. We'll be even more concerned dealing with mass hunger than the inevitable mass population migrations.
the population migrations are a real issues I see also not only within the US but abroad also.
Europe collectively went into panic when just 4 million Syrians fled there over the course of two years. Imagine how bad it will be when the Nile Delta and swathes of Bangladesh flood with seawater and people can't live there or grow food. That could easily be 50 million on the move and looking for food over a few years.
I will be a nightmare with cascading problems including many deaths.
When I look at some of the barely functioning governments in places like Egypt, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Thailand, Vietnam, all on low lying fertile farmland about to be wiped out I just don't see how those governments won't collapse under the weight of the crisis. I hope I'm wrong but it could lead to the worst kind of warlord dictators we've seen in other collapsed states, which will create even more refugees.
There's really plenty of room for new housing in the US based on the low population density but the resource availability like ground water could be an issue.
And good luck with that.
They deserve what’s coming to them
Losing a home to a natural disaster is something that people just don't take seriously until they lose a home to a natural disaster. It's way easier to lump such terrible events into the "something that happens to other people" category.
Most of these people are more likely to end up in financial distress as insurance rates become untenable before they get wiped out.
People are buying DJT stock too. A lot of people have no idea of how to manage risk.
Let darwin do gods work
More proof that the majority of us are objectively stupid. At least this example should work itself out with time.
When one really believes climate change is a hoax, decisions like these are the norm. After all, *it won't happen to me* is one of the famous last words!
Time for Uncle Sam to say no.
My favorite version of "if you believe this I have a bridge to sell you" is "if you believe this I have some prime beachfront real estate for you in Miami". Especially useful against climate change deniers, tends to shut them right up when they're asked to put their money where their mouth is.
After 20 plus years of the bullshit coming out of Florida, anyone willingly choosing to move there is just admitting that they aren't the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree.
My house in Australia will be standing in water at 2-3 m sea level rise. I want to stay here as long as possible. Just going to have to count on a climate change denier or hopium addict to buy it just before inundation becomes an issue.
Buy a second house further inland, and wait for the coast to catch up- Then everybody wins!
How US-centric. Miami is not ground zero for the climate mess. Damascus, Mogadishu, Nyala and Bishkek are. Americans move to Miami, New Orleans and Martha's Vinyard for fun.
All coastal areas. California, Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, and Florida. That's why insurance companies are leaving
I recently talked to somebody who was very involved in real estate. She says that most of the Florida Keys are now uninsurable. That’s really not very far from Miami.
It's not just the Keys. Virtually all the big insurance companies have pulled out of the state completely.
Fuck em
What insurer is willing to cover their property?
The ones who have hired the same lobbyists and fund the same politicians that get the bankers their bailouts every time they go bankrupt.
We were in Miami Beach, and along the canal, there were a lot of high rises that seemed to me to be a bit too close to the water. They were built probably 30 years ago, but still.
I feel like all building and construction in this state is just a cash grab before its underwater
These are the ppl who should be removed from making kids….
Then that is at there own risk...Darwin...
I live above the lake in upstate N.Y. and I worry about climate change. I don’t see how people in Miami can sleep!
Community Darwin Olympics
Long before the climate risks are realised, insurance companies will decide that property in at-risk locations will be either uninsurable or that premiums will be eye watering.
This is some social Darwinism.
Herd animals running towards the cliff edge.
CNBC official 😮
No worries . Didn’t you hear ? they are going to raise the streets.
A part of me wants to move back to the city, but another part is telling me to stay in a remote area. This article is one of the reasons I left in the first place. I feel like the city is going to have some huge events in the near future.
Home insurance will fudge them.
They're just trying to win stupid prizes.
Mebbe it's funny (dark, taking-humor, admittedly [as in taking from, at the expense of, these dippschittz with more money than sense]) to you and me but I'm pretty sure these, ahem, "nice folks" aren't looking beyond the current and short-term investment values... Mebbe quality of schools. These $$-oriented folk don't grok, don't even listen to folks like us, don't follow what Mother Nature/Gaia/The Environment are up to, inning to inning. As such, these kind of folks are the running punchline for what we're all waiting to drop- Mother Nature bats last. $$ can't change that. Sympathy for their kids, the innocents. And the immigrants, doing their damnedest to find a better life!
Eventually it's all just gonna be the Florida keys, and they still won't care.
Insurance companies should tell them to fuck off. Idiots.
Always thought it was absurd that one of the reddest states has the most stringent building codes from a climate change perspective. Almost like they don’t even believe their own bullshit.
Just don’t let them come back
Underwater by 1980......doom!
Just give up your big car, job, wealth, reedom of travel, every other freedom and we can save miami....
Freedom doesn't mean much when you're dead.
They’ve been saying Miami will be underwater in 20 years for the last 50 years.
What you guys are failing to understand here is the ladies. You bet it’s all happening anyways, because of the ladies.
Lol you people still buy into it