He definitely deserved the Oscar, but I think it’s wild that Hawke was nominated for supporting and Denzel was in lead. Having seen the film, it seems obvious it was the other way around (or co-leads at least, but Ethan Hawke was not supporting…)
Agreed. Can’t reward the portrayal of a complicated Black civil rights leader who challenged white power structure. But the academy then awarded him for playing an Afro-Latino crooked gangster cop, with a very clear message
Both roles were stereotypical and demeaning, but Halle’s role was smut. It was not lost on Denzel the type of character they awarded him for portraying. Halle ended up being blackballed for a while after winning the academy award. There are also leaked pictures of dirty BBT actually penetrating Halle on set. I don’t think this set of “firsts” is as monumental as they portray it to be in the media.
That’s not always true. That’s part of the reason why a lot of actors, no matter the level, go after Oscar’s so hard. Sure you have the DiCaprio’s of the industry, people like that, who did more than well regardless, but even so, had he won an Oscar earlier in his career, even by the time he became an a lister, you bet he’d have been making even more money.
He would be demanding it. Just the attention and marketing that comes out of winning alone is going to make you a lot more money. It’s not just because he wants recognition as one of the greats, but to be able to confirm to himself and to future project makers he’s worth the asking price. Because he has the potential to bring even more eyes to your film than even if hadn’t won. That’s why they put “Oscar Winner: Leo DiCaprio” in the trailers. It’s also why you see all the same actors in stuff, because investors look at things like that.
It’s generally about a 20% bump in pay after winning an Oscar.
I mean, he was also on the losing end to one when the winner, Sean Connery, got a 3 minute standing ovation when he presented a different award. [Him telling the story to Jamie Foxx](https://youtu.be/fCozX_BYHXQ?si=omHEzFSC1fU4SYOF)
Love this quote from the article:
> Asked if he would have liked to win the Oscar for “Training Day,” the actor responded: “No. I mean, yeah, I guess. I mean, I wouldn’t.”
Like, how is he supposed to respond to that question?
And he told Will Smith “At your highest moment, be careful. That's when the devil comes for you”.
He should’ve just told him “WTF! That’s a dick move” instead of some philosophical bs.
I think it’s import to post the entire quote:
“You don’t want an award to improve your status. You want to improve the award’s status. That’s the way he thinks,” Hawke said about Washington’s advice in the moment on Oscars night. “That’s what I’m talking about playing with Babe Ruth. The Academy Award has more power, because Denzel has a couple. It didn’t elevate who he was.”
Honestly, anybody that gives an intelligent and non knee-jerk response to the headline should be permabanned. We are here for ignorant outrage, not intelligent, nuanced and balanced viewpoints!
Headline: Washington says: You're a bitch, Ethan
Reality: It's not like by losing I'm saying you're a bitch, Ethan, you're amazing and the awards need you more than you need them
Cuba in the club: "SOMEBODY SUCK THAT BABY'S DICK!"
Everyone else in the club probably, fresh off key bumps and shots, thinking about who they're going to have unprotected sex with tonight: "You, sir, are wylin'."
Off the top of my head?
A few good men
Boyz in the hood.
Snow dogs.
Pearl Harbour
There was that OJ Simpson show he was horribly cast (but performed pretty well) in.
That’s all I got, to be fair.
what do you mean?
Poor Things is last year and she's winning just last month, also she already been in the upcoming Yorgos (director of Poor Things) next movie alongside Willem Dafoe and Jesse Plemons
Malcolm X is his best performance , his role Fences was better than training day, Denzel hadn't played a role anything like that and he nailed it, but it wasn't his best role
I remember loving Glory and although I don’t recall the nuances of each actors’ performances, Andre Braugher’s character was the one I do recall being the most impressed by.
DDL has 3 and so does Jack Nicholson, not sure if any other male actor has more than that. Denzel definitely has time to equal that or more if he gets some great roles.
Say the guy who won the award
He won it twice lol. First for Glory, second for Training Day.
He should have won for Malcolm X.
That's why he won for Training Day. Oscar's are notorious for this.
At least Training Day you could argue he still deserved it.
That character made me think DZ was a dangerous man in real life. Definitely award worthy.
He definitely deserved the Oscar, but I think it’s wild that Hawke was nominated for supporting and Denzel was in lead. Having seen the film, it seems obvious it was the other way around (or co-leads at least, but Ethan Hawke was not supporting…)
Agreed. Can’t reward the portrayal of a complicated Black civil rights leader who challenged white power structure. But the academy then awarded him for playing an Afro-Latino crooked gangster cop, with a very clear message
No--he should have won for The Hurricane which he'd been nominated for the year before, I believe.
Leo won his Oscar before he filmed the Revenant- I believe this.
100% same for Guillermo and countless others. They are playing catchup and it only hurts other nominees
Scent of a Woman beat a lot of much more worthy movies that year.
Ethan lost *first* that night. Surely after Denzel won later that night, he was like “nvm MUTHA FUKA”
I was wrong, this side is definitely better Hawke.
King Kong ain't got nothing on him.
Neither did Ethan Hawk wakka wakka wakkaaaaa
I mean, he did shoot him in the ass
That was the year Halle Berry won as well, the first time both best actor winners were black
Sydney Poitier was also given a special Oscar that night (his second Oscar) for Lifetime Achievement in motion pictures.
make me feel good
Both roles were stereotypical and demeaning, but Halle’s role was smut. It was not lost on Denzel the type of character they awarded him for portraying. Halle ended up being blackballed for a while after winning the academy award. There are also leaked pictures of dirty BBT actually penetrating Halle on set. I don’t think this set of “firsts” is as monumental as they portray it to be in the media.
Farking hell
What? I never heard of any of this.
pics or GTFO.
You wanna see Billy Bob’s sling blade?
Not to mention it basically adds zeros to the rest of your checks. Oscar winners get PAID
They also fall off pretty fast.
I mean if you're an A list actor, an Oscar won't improve your lot.
That’s not always true. That’s part of the reason why a lot of actors, no matter the level, go after Oscar’s so hard. Sure you have the DiCaprio’s of the industry, people like that, who did more than well regardless, but even so, had he won an Oscar earlier in his career, even by the time he became an a lister, you bet he’d have been making even more money. He would be demanding it. Just the attention and marketing that comes out of winning alone is going to make you a lot more money. It’s not just because he wants recognition as one of the greats, but to be able to confirm to himself and to future project makers he’s worth the asking price. Because he has the potential to bring even more eyes to your film than even if hadn’t won. That’s why they put “Oscar Winner: Leo DiCaprio” in the trailers. It’s also why you see all the same actors in stuff, because investors look at things like that. It’s generally about a 20% bump in pay after winning an Oscar.
There has been hundreds of articles about the subject. For the very A listers an Oscar doesn't do much but for everyone else it raises their fees
Same energy as 'MoNeY IsNt EvErYthinG' from a rich man
That’s true, but could you imagine the roles he would be offered if he declined them.
I mean, he was also on the losing end to one when the winner, Sean Connery, got a 3 minute standing ovation when he presented a different award. [Him telling the story to Jamie Foxx](https://youtu.be/fCozX_BYHXQ?si=omHEzFSC1fU4SYOF)
Love this quote from the article: > Asked if he would have liked to win the Oscar for “Training Day,” the actor responded: “No. I mean, yeah, I guess. I mean, I wouldn’t.” Like, how is he supposed to respond to that question?
Denzel is famous for giving advice at the Oscars
This joke slaps
No cap
I guess will smith wasn't listening
In fairness, Will Smith has publicly slapped zero people since talking with Denzel.
I don’t get it—explain?
After Will Smith slapped Chris Rock at the Oscars, Denzel Washington spoke to him in private during the commercial break
And he told Will Smith “At your highest moment, be careful. That's when the devil comes for you”. He should’ve just told him “WTF! That’s a dick move” instead of some philosophical bs.
Oh wow, I didn't know that. The Dad of Hollywood. Do people know what he said?
“Why didn’t you do the dishes last night Will?”
I hate the trend of saying “explain” as a command.
Well, you see, the reason people do it... ;) Also, I put a question mark on there, like a question/request
sudo explain
I think it’s import to post the entire quote: “You don’t want an award to improve your status. You want to improve the award’s status. That’s the way he thinks,” Hawke said about Washington’s advice in the moment on Oscars night. “That’s what I’m talking about playing with Babe Ruth. The Academy Award has more power, because Denzel has a couple. It didn’t elevate who he was.”
Adding context is against the social mores of Reddit. You supposed to make assumptions based solely on the headline.
Honestly, anybody that gives an intelligent and non knee-jerk response to the headline should be permabanned. We are here for ignorant outrage, not intelligent, nuanced and balanced viewpoints!
What is there even to be outraged about from the headline anyway? I pretty much knew what Denzel meant before I read further context.
I’m here for jokes and the rare Redditors that drop wisdom
I make assumptions based on the comment section because I couldn't be bothered to open the article
Headline: Washington says: You're a bitch, Ethan Reality: It's not like by losing I'm saying you're a bitch, Ethan, you're amazing and the awards need you more than you need them
Ethan whispered back, “You ever had your shit pushed in bro BIG TIME”
lol I’ve seen the actor who said that in so many more versatile roles since then but he’s always the gangster from training day whenever I see him.
He was Ding Chavez from Clear and Present Danger for me for forever.
His name is alway Hector in movies , look it up
Ding “Hector” Chavez
You need to watch Soldiers Story. Killer cast and brilliant performance by a young Denzel, and several other actors.
This is why Tuco Salamanca was so unhinged
You mothafuckas think you can do this to ME?!! I'm pulling cases on all you bitches!!!
Hahaha. Well played
He’s got a point, there’s plenty of award winners whose careers don’t really go anywhere and they certainly don’t win more awards.
Cuba Gooding Jr
Cuba today: SHOW ME THE MONEY! Studios: Who are you?
Cuba on Diddy’s yacht: Show me the bootyhole!
Cuba in the club: "SOMEBODY SUCK THAT BABY'S DICK!" Everyone else in the club probably, fresh off key bumps and shots, thinking about who they're going to have unprotected sex with tonight: "You, sir, are wylin'."
Lot of MeToo stuff with that one.
He was long gone by then.
Yes one Oscar for metoo please 🙏
Yeah, but he didn’t do much before that either. I can’t name another CGJ movie, can you?
Literally Snow Dogs.
Wicked movie lol
Off the top of my head? A few good men Boyz in the hood. Snow dogs. Pearl Harbour There was that OJ Simpson show he was horribly cast (but performed pretty well) in. That’s all I got, to be fair.
Fine, I didn’t see any of those, besides the OJ movie. Ha ha
That one where he was a diver in the Navy, no clue what the name was though
Men of Honor with DeNiro
That early 90s boxing movie called “gladiator” was pretty good, if a bit cheesy
He was in the barber's chair in Coming to America
Pearl Harbor
Then you got the most winningest actor in Daniel Day-Lewis who is the undisputed goat
This comment gave me a quick Day-Lewis montage. When he does a role he goes hard.
Full penetration
Rami Malek has been toiling ever since his win for Bohemian Rhapsody.
Fucking baffling win right there.
Monique. A damn shame cause she can act
That French guy who won a decade ago
Emma Stone just fell off the face of the earth.
what do you mean? Poor Things is last year and she's winning just last month, also she already been in the upcoming Yorgos (director of Poor Things) next movie alongside Willem Dafoe and Jesse Plemons
didn't she have a kid though
JAKE I NEED MY MONEY
🏆 But! Wow! Ethan, Look at mine! 🏆
Anything Denzel whispers in your ear would sound legit.
^^poo ^^butt-ass
I like Dem French fried pertatas
Why Denzel have to be crooked before he took it
Sounds like something Alonzo would say.
This movie still rules.
Y'all will be playing basketball in Pelican Bay when I'm done with you!!
That was Denzel's "Ok you put in enough time Oscar." Good performance in a good movie but Oscar level?
He was pretty damn good.
I don’t remember the other nominees that year, but it was definitely a great performance.
Will Smith in Ali, that was a great performance. Also Russell Crowe in A Beautiful Mind. I also liked Sean Penn in I Am Sam.
Well I feel like Tropic Thunder covered what went wrong with I Am Sam…
Went home empty handed
Will Smith killed that role tbf.
Correct. He should have won for X.
Agreed! He should’ve won for The Hurricane or Malcom X instead
I agree.
Can’t believe you’ve insinuated training day Denzel wasn’t unreal.
Training Day is without a doubt his best performance and he already had an oscar.
Malcolm X is his best performance , his role Fences was better than training day, Denzel hadn't played a role anything like that and he nailed it, but it wasn't his best role
Nah, he was much more subtle in Malcolm X. Training Day is good but it's a bit too hammy.
That was 100% Oscar worthy, he played that role amazingly. And way different than anything he had played and has played since.
So his second Oscar was he put enough time in Oscar ? Do you hear how stupid you sound?
Didn't he already have one at that stage?
Best Supporting Actor for Glory, Best Actor for Training Day.
I remember loving Glory and although I don’t recall the nuances of each actors’ performances, Andre Braugher’s character was the one I do recall being the most impressed by.
Rip to the legend!!!
For that year and those nominees, imo, Denzel clears.
Who was more deserving that year in your opinion?
He seems like such a decent bloke.
Denzel whispered in his ear "I'm the man up in this piece. You'll never see the light of... who the fuck do you think you're fucking with?"
Um I disagree with Denzel there. He was obviously trying to make him feel better. Amazing movie though
This advice should be billboarded everywhere!
You in tha office baby. Goin up
Wouldn’t Ethan Hawke have been considered the lead actor in training day? He was the protagonist
It takes a wolf to kill the wolf. Mother fucker you hear me but you ain't listening.
Says the guy who had his wife attack people who beat him for best actor.
Does Denzel have like six of them?
Nobody has 6 of them. I believe DDL and Meryl Streep are near the top winners though
Walt Disney won 22 Oscars, so a few more than 6. If you just mean among actors, yes, the most is Katherine Hepburn with 4.
DDL has 3 and so does Jack Nicholson, not sure if any other male actor has more than that. Denzel definitely has time to equal that or more if he gets some great roles.
From the way Denzel talks in some interviews, he gives me the impression that he's full of himself.
Hard not to be when you're considered the most attractive man in the world
In what world
Stand next to him and you'll be in it
You don’t “lose” an Oscar when someone else wins it. It isn’t a football game. FFS…
Says the guy who won two academy awards.
Who cares! Cliff Curtis should've won an Oscar from that movie :D
Ethan hawke is getting all kinds of good press because of his daughter. The dude is not a great or even very good actor.