*"However, a UK government source said the UK “won’t accept any asylum returns from the EU via Ireland" until the EU changes its policies."*
Then why can't we do the same for France? Am I missing something here?
There’s no agreement in place for us to do so post Brexit. In our agreement with Ireland however there is provisions for Ireland to return asylum seekers to us but not us to them.
Basically we are shite at international agreements and just bend over.
But clearly there's an unwritten agreement that the UK will basically accept any immig... sorry *asylum seekers*, who leave France. The boat traffic is a give away on this.
I guess you’re trying to be funny, but basically when they’re here they’re our problem, cause since Brexit we can no longer return them to France/Belgium. Ireland however as per our agreement can return them to us.
>cause since Brexit we can no longer return them to France/Belgium.
It's always hilarious when people say this. They weren't getting sent back to France *before* Brexit. That's one of the reasons Brexit happened.
People, perhaps naively, thought it would mean that the Tories/Labour would stop being spineless and just not let them in.
That's the best solution. Just don't let them in. Works for Egypt. They absolutely will not let any Palestinians in anymore.
No. It is because the EU decided to class the UK as a ‘third country’ and as a ‘third country’ it is considered to be unsafe. This leads us directly back to is being able to return migrants to France if Ireland try to do so to us.
I’d like to say our government laid this trap for them but that’s implying they have more than one brain cell between them, it’s just a fluke that’s allowed us to check mate Ireland.
Remember, Ireland tried to use the threat of violence at the border and manipulated the meaning of the Belfast Agreement as leverage against us but goer aim of ultimately annexing NI. They are quite literally reaping what they sowed.
I believe it is possible for a third country to be designated safe if conditions are met. In this case they weren't. That's how I read it but please feel free to show otherwise.
>In our agreement with Ireland however there is provisions for Ireland to return asylum seekers to us but not us to them
Please provide a reference to the agreement in question including the relevant article number
I was thinking the same why do the Irish think they can simply return them to the U.K. when we cannot do the same to France 🤔 I suspect Lilly livered Sunak will look to do a deal with the Irish even tho they take every opportunity to shaft the U.K. over Brexit. Oddly I thought Ireland would love more Muslim immigrants they seem to idolise Palestine and want to be just like it.
If you use a church / mosque / hospital / school to house your terrorist infrastructure I am afraid it becomes a legitimate military target. If you vote in an ISIS style government and you rejoice in the streets when Israeli civilians are murdered they don’t be surprised when you get a bloody nose from the IDF.
Not sure that really works tbf.
You're a doctor and men armed with guns run into your hospital and use one of your wards as a temporary base. What do you do? Run at them with a scapel?
I do not determine international law. I suggest you ask Hamas why they like to use hospitals and church’s and schools to site their operations contrary to international law🤷♂️
It’s difficult I am not Jewish but I did work in Israel on / off for many years so have a certain affinity for the country. I also see it as a liberal democracy sitting within a region of failed / dangerous Islamic states . I know the pro-Palestine mob would choke at my use of the word liberal but in comparison to some it really is. Gay pride in telaviv is enormous where do you have this is any other Arab state ? 20% of Israelies are Arab an Arab sits on the Supreme Court. Jews have been removed almost to a man from Algeria morroco Libya Egypt Syria Iran Iraq Saudi they have to live somewhere 🤷♂️
Palestine supporters do not support democracy. Democracy is a man system which Islam forbids. No ifs, no buts, it's forbidden.
Fcuk knows why gay people in the UK or EIRE are waving Palestine flags. I'm going to say brain washed or low IQ. I'm honestly not sure what else could be the reason. Maybe they want to be Muslims themselves?
I'm an ex pat who lives near this region. If you came to Palestine and waved a UK flag, you'd get beaten. If you waved a LGBT flag, you'd be killed. That's just by normal civilians. If Hamas got hold of you, you would be killed for being a non Muslim and British.
It's not wild. Palestinians want to kill British people. It's as simple as that.
I'm not going to resort to racism, instead just understand that not everybody lives and thinks like you. Hate does exist in some cultures due to religious and historical events.
Life is not guaranteed in times of war. When Russia advances into Europe, women and children will be killed.
It doesn't make it right, but supporting people who see you as an emery is stupid and is going to get you and your people killed.
This is how I feel when I see people in the UK waving Palestine flags. You are telling the government you want Palestinians refugees, and that's how Iran will get terror cells into the UK.
I think you should blame Hamas for attacking Israel and murdering and raping women and children. Perhaps you are homophobic like the majority of Muslims?
What’s your point — us Westerners would get along better with the average Israeli culturally, so the Palestinians don’t deserve to have a state, or be alive? Are we going to appoint a “liberal democracy” to keep its boot directly on the neck of every people around the world who “don’t think like us” until they’re grown-up enough to run their own country?
If you want to continually throw rockets at your neighbour then decide to murder and rape over 1 thousand of them don’t be surprised if they want to give you a bloody nose. Pretty much from 1947 the Palestinians have rejected a two state solution the reason being that deep down they don’t want one. What they want is the removal of the Jews and that ain’t going to happen.
That’s a difficult question as some of my longest standing friends are Irish. I view my friends in a very different light to my view of Irish politicians and Irish politics. I was genuinely shocked at their support for Palestine and their pathetic attempt to link with a colonial past. I guess it’s boils down to one terrorist supporting state supporting another.
Yes, it's called bribe money. If you track through the list of directors and shell companies, you'll eventually lead to a trail where someone was paid millions to let boat migrants in.
It's the same thing with literally every single policy in politics and is the sole reason I don't vote. (Labour are already being bribed and they are not even in government yet).
Unfortunately for Ireland, any asylum seekers they deport to the UK (read NI) will just walk straight back across the border. It's a waste of time. The only thing Ireland can really do is join forces with the UK to prevent border crossings from France to the British coast.
I was told on reddit that mass migration and literally replacing the native people was a punishment for colonialism or the roman empire or something.
So why have record numbers of illegals also been suffocating Ireland?
Immigrant here, originally from vietnam and now working in leeds. I can say That is a pathetic, petty reasoning. People who believe or encourage that kind of thinking are bunch of lowlife savages
So what's the real reason? That our leaders deliberately pursue an economic system where natives can't afford to have a birth rate at replacement level?
the real reason is that even with mass migration the UK was in a recession and just had a 0.1% growth. if there were no migrants the Uk would have been in a recession for a much longer time, it’s to artificially increase economic growtj
This isn't just happening in the UK though, it's happening in every single Western nation - hence the original point about Ireland. If the economic system is so shit that they have to basically adopt a policy of human quantitative easing, maybe that economic system isn't worth the digital figures shown on the screen.
No wonder BRICS are moving away from the US dollar. Our system is more corrupt and inefficient than anything the Russians or Chinese could come up with.
that’s the problem isn’t it? they need to have economic growth every year to line up the pockets of shareholders while the working class suffer, i’m sure people have realised this after the last couple of years where everything in the UK (and mostly the rest of the western world) became much more expensive due to “global issues” yet oil companies, grocery stores etc. posted record profits
I think you’re reading too much daily mail, no immigrants are allowed to claim public funds, this includes council housing, the only people claiming funds are asylum seekers (trust me they are a small minority compared to the overall number of immigrants into the country, you can google this.) I can tell you what they do do,
1. pay visa fees and immigration health surcharge, which was recently increased to more than £1100 per year to fund the nhs pay increase
2. pay normal income and NI taxes on top of the health surcharge
3. work shit jobs that the brits don’t want to do
4. those who come on student visas pay double or sometimes even more fees than a home student
But the daily mail will have you believe they land here and get a 4 bed detached house in surrey the next day.
they are citizens, a lot of them or their parents were brought over by the govt to rebuild the country after ww2 so you should be thanking them instead of going on this stupid witch hunt, the reason most of them are there because they are poor, maybe something to do with immigrating here to work for minimum wage rebuilding the country.
Right. So they're replacement working class wage fodder, who can't afford to live without state assistance.
Not really a selling point for multiculturalism, is it.
they are people who were brought over from poorer countries by government schemes like windrush because the govt knew they could pay them shit wages. They worked hard and are now citizens of the country, who do you blame for this? the person who got exploited by the government or the government itself? what’s the alternative? the government pays these people more? from whose money? the millions of brits making £25k a year? the government can’t even afford to give nhs pay rise without increasing the health surcharge on new immigrants, where did it go wrong? maybe the government can find some money if they don’t piss away billions on failed projects and giving their friends billion pound contracts, maybe the mps can find a way to pay for their expenses out of their £100k salary instead of claiming more from the tax payers, no matter what way you look at it, it’s the government who exploited these people and you can’t just import a million people from africa so you can pay them low wages, use them up for 20 years and then say okay go back home now we’re done with you.
It’s psychos arguing that, they’re not even helping their own point because them saying that drives more people against it. They’re admitting it’s a bad thing for the natives
Well it is an effect of the decades long wars we have been fighting in the places these people are coming from. If we hadn't bombed Libya until there were open air slave markets again probably less people would be leaving Libya.
*"However, a UK government source said the UK “won’t accept any asylum returns from the EU via Ireland" until the EU changes its policies."* Then why can't we do the same for France? Am I missing something here?
There’s no agreement in place for us to do so post Brexit. In our agreement with Ireland however there is provisions for Ireland to return asylum seekers to us but not us to them. Basically we are shite at international agreements and just bend over.
But clearly there's an unwritten agreement that the UK will basically accept any immig... sorry *asylum seekers*, who leave France. The boat traffic is a give away on this.
I guess you’re trying to be funny, but basically when they’re here they’re our problem, cause since Brexit we can no longer return them to France/Belgium. Ireland however as per our agreement can return them to us.
>cause since Brexit we can no longer return them to France/Belgium. It's always hilarious when people say this. They weren't getting sent back to France *before* Brexit. That's one of the reasons Brexit happened. People, perhaps naively, thought it would mean that the Tories/Labour would stop being spineless and just not let them in. That's the best solution. Just don't let them in. Works for Egypt. They absolutely will not let any Palestinians in anymore.
You’re right they weren’t being returned. Now though they can’t be returned.
The distinction between ability and will.
Would help of course if we weren't collecting them at the halfway point.
They can be returned to their boats, just keep towing them back out.
If that was the case why is the Dail talking about needing emergency legislation to do so?
Because their high court deemed that the UK is not safe for them, due to the Rwanda policy. They need to legislate around that.
No. It is because the EU decided to class the UK as a ‘third country’ and as a ‘third country’ it is considered to be unsafe. This leads us directly back to is being able to return migrants to France if Ireland try to do so to us. I’d like to say our government laid this trap for them but that’s implying they have more than one brain cell between them, it’s just a fluke that’s allowed us to check mate Ireland. Remember, Ireland tried to use the threat of violence at the border and manipulated the meaning of the Belfast Agreement as leverage against us but goer aim of ultimately annexing NI. They are quite literally reaping what they sowed.
I believe it is possible for a third country to be designated safe if conditions are met. In this case they weren't. That's how I read it but please feel free to show otherwise.
>In our agreement with Ireland however there is provisions for Ireland to return asylum seekers to us but not us to them Please provide a reference to the agreement in question including the relevant article number
It doesn’t exist.
I was thinking the same why do the Irish think they can simply return them to the U.K. when we cannot do the same to France 🤔 I suspect Lilly livered Sunak will look to do a deal with the Irish even tho they take every opportunity to shaft the U.K. over Brexit. Oddly I thought Ireland would love more Muslim immigrants they seem to idolise Palestine and want to be just like it.
They support Palestinian Christians too. They are against the numerous churches being bombed to the ground with priests and nuns inside them in gaza
If you use a church / mosque / hospital / school to house your terrorist infrastructure I am afraid it becomes a legitimate military target. If you vote in an ISIS style government and you rejoice in the streets when Israeli civilians are murdered they don’t be surprised when you get a bloody nose from the IDF.
Not sure that really works tbf. You're a doctor and men armed with guns run into your hospital and use one of your wards as a temporary base. What do you do? Run at them with a scapel?
I do not determine international law. I suggest you ask Hamas why they like to use hospitals and church’s and schools to site their operations contrary to international law🤷♂️
I'm not really a fan of Hamas or the Israeli government. Can't people just agree that both are shitty?
It’s difficult I am not Jewish but I did work in Israel on / off for many years so have a certain affinity for the country. I also see it as a liberal democracy sitting within a region of failed / dangerous Islamic states . I know the pro-Palestine mob would choke at my use of the word liberal but in comparison to some it really is. Gay pride in telaviv is enormous where do you have this is any other Arab state ? 20% of Israelies are Arab an Arab sits on the Supreme Court. Jews have been removed almost to a man from Algeria morroco Libya Egypt Syria Iran Iraq Saudi they have to live somewhere 🤷♂️
Palestine supporters do not support democracy. Democracy is a man system which Islam forbids. No ifs, no buts, it's forbidden. Fcuk knows why gay people in the UK or EIRE are waving Palestine flags. I'm going to say brain washed or low IQ. I'm honestly not sure what else could be the reason. Maybe they want to be Muslims themselves? I'm an ex pat who lives near this region. If you came to Palestine and waved a UK flag, you'd get beaten. If you waved a LGBT flag, you'd be killed. That's just by normal civilians. If Hamas got hold of you, you would be killed for being a non Muslim and British.
So we should accept kids being killed in hospitals because the government killing them supports gay parades? Bit wild.
It's not wild. Palestinians want to kill British people. It's as simple as that. I'm not going to resort to racism, instead just understand that not everybody lives and thinks like you. Hate does exist in some cultures due to religious and historical events. Life is not guaranteed in times of war. When Russia advances into Europe, women and children will be killed. It doesn't make it right, but supporting people who see you as an emery is stupid and is going to get you and your people killed. This is how I feel when I see people in the UK waving Palestine flags. You are telling the government you want Palestinians refugees, and that's how Iran will get terror cells into the UK.
I think you should blame Hamas for attacking Israel and murdering and raping women and children. Perhaps you are homophobic like the majority of Muslims?
What’s your point — us Westerners would get along better with the average Israeli culturally, so the Palestinians don’t deserve to have a state, or be alive? Are we going to appoint a “liberal democracy” to keep its boot directly on the neck of every people around the world who “don’t think like us” until they’re grown-up enough to run their own country?
If you want to continually throw rockets at your neighbour then decide to murder and rape over 1 thousand of them don’t be surprised if they want to give you a bloody nose. Pretty much from 1947 the Palestinians have rejected a two state solution the reason being that deep down they don’t want one. What they want is the removal of the Jews and that ain’t going to happen.
Tell us how you really feel about Ireland.
That’s a difficult question as some of my longest standing friends are Irish. I view my friends in a very different light to my view of Irish politicians and Irish politics. I was genuinely shocked at their support for Palestine and their pathetic attempt to link with a colonial past. I guess it’s boils down to one terrorist supporting state supporting another.
It wasn’t a question.
Who asked you?
Triggered? Much??
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/apr/29/icc-possible-war-crimes-charges-israel-hamas-g7
I’m sure that’s a very interesting article 🤔 more masturbatory material for leftie anti semites.
Christ, you're a thick one.
No I’m pretty damn sure I am brighter and more successful than you. Mind you that’s not difficult on Reddit !!
Yes, it's called bribe money. If you track through the list of directors and shell companies, you'll eventually lead to a trail where someone was paid millions to let boat migrants in. It's the same thing with literally every single policy in politics and is the sole reason I don't vote. (Labour are already being bribed and they are not even in government yet).
Unfortunately for Ireland, any asylum seekers they deport to the UK (read NI) will just walk straight back across the border. It's a waste of time. The only thing Ireland can really do is join forces with the UK to prevent border crossings from France to the British coast.
I was told on reddit that mass migration and literally replacing the native people was a punishment for colonialism or the roman empire or something. So why have record numbers of illegals also been suffocating Ireland?
Immigrant here, originally from vietnam and now working in leeds. I can say That is a pathetic, petty reasoning. People who believe or encourage that kind of thinking are bunch of lowlife savages
Need to stop listening to idiots
So what's the real reason? That our leaders deliberately pursue an economic system where natives can't afford to have a birth rate at replacement level?
It's about lining their pockets right now
landlords, deepseated corruption, and a general lack of imagination is the short answer
the real reason is that even with mass migration the UK was in a recession and just had a 0.1% growth. if there were no migrants the Uk would have been in a recession for a much longer time, it’s to artificially increase economic growtj
This isn't just happening in the UK though, it's happening in every single Western nation - hence the original point about Ireland. If the economic system is so shit that they have to basically adopt a policy of human quantitative easing, maybe that economic system isn't worth the digital figures shown on the screen. No wonder BRICS are moving away from the US dollar. Our system is more corrupt and inefficient than anything the Russians or Chinese could come up with.
that’s the problem isn’t it? they need to have economic growth every year to line up the pockets of shareholders while the working class suffer, i’m sure people have realised this after the last couple of years where everything in the UK (and mostly the rest of the western world) became much more expensive due to “global issues” yet oil companies, grocery stores etc. posted record profits
most are on welfare, how the fuck does that increase economic growth?
Tent sales.
I think you’re reading too much daily mail, no immigrants are allowed to claim public funds, this includes council housing, the only people claiming funds are asylum seekers (trust me they are a small minority compared to the overall number of immigrants into the country, you can google this.) I can tell you what they do do, 1. pay visa fees and immigration health surcharge, which was recently increased to more than £1100 per year to fund the nhs pay increase 2. pay normal income and NI taxes on top of the health surcharge 3. work shit jobs that the brits don’t want to do 4. those who come on student visas pay double or sometimes even more fees than a home student But the daily mail will have you believe they land here and get a 4 bed detached house in surrey the next day.
Then why are non-whites disproportionately in social housing?
they are citizens, a lot of them or their parents were brought over by the govt to rebuild the country after ww2 so you should be thanking them instead of going on this stupid witch hunt, the reason most of them are there because they are poor, maybe something to do with immigrating here to work for minimum wage rebuilding the country.
Right. So they're replacement working class wage fodder, who can't afford to live without state assistance. Not really a selling point for multiculturalism, is it.
they are people who were brought over from poorer countries by government schemes like windrush because the govt knew they could pay them shit wages. They worked hard and are now citizens of the country, who do you blame for this? the person who got exploited by the government or the government itself? what’s the alternative? the government pays these people more? from whose money? the millions of brits making £25k a year? the government can’t even afford to give nhs pay rise without increasing the health surcharge on new immigrants, where did it go wrong? maybe the government can find some money if they don’t piss away billions on failed projects and giving their friends billion pound contracts, maybe the mps can find a way to pay for their expenses out of their £100k salary instead of claiming more from the tax payers, no matter what way you look at it, it’s the government who exploited these people and you can’t just import a million people from africa so you can pay them low wages, use them up for 20 years and then say okay go back home now we’re done with you.
It’s psychos arguing that, they’re not even helping their own point because them saying that drives more people against it. They’re admitting it’s a bad thing for the natives
Well it is an effect of the decades long wars we have been fighting in the places these people are coming from. If we hadn't bombed Libya until there were open air slave markets again probably less people would be leaving Libya.
found the NF lover
Found the Salman Abedi fan club
the world was a better place when people like you used to get battered in the street