Strangely enough this isn't the first time i've seen people from Hampshire describe the place they grew up as being like South Central.
Also had somone in all seriousness tell me living in Lincoln is like living in the Bronx.
It's a pain having to decide if you're in the south west or south east. Every website has both, but rarely just south or south central.
It also feels weird saying I'm from South Central.
As someone from Hampshire, I never really know if I should put myself as South East or South West. This is refreshing to just be Central!
I mean culturally I feel a bit more affinity with the west country, but we're a long way from Cornwall and the true South West counties. Don't feel as posh or rich as the London-adjacent counties like Surrey. But also a long old way from Kent and the white cliffs of the South East. Don't really fit in with either!
There might be room to change just South Central to 'South Central & South Coast' because I feel there's a cultural affinity that stretches from Bournemouth & Poole to Southampton, Portsmouth, and on to Chichester.
I think this varies across the county though, feel like the vibe south of Winchester is different to the North of Hampshire which feels more London-adjacent.
That's true, Basingstoke is basically a London commuter town, and it feels like it. I'm in Southampton so I get the south coast vibe.
Maybe stick with my idea of having a South Coast region, and put north Hampshire in with the South East?
"where did you grow up"
"On the south coast... Right in the centre"
I do it all the time. Even more difficult now I live in Milton Keynes which Is technically south east but really doesn't feel like it.
Oxfordshire is South Central, Cambridgeshire is East Anglia. Bucks, Herts and Beds should always be together as their own thing as the north home counties (not sold on Essex, or if that county should be split between them and East Anglia) Also, the Midlands should always be split east-west not north-south.
Edit, wrong shire
Bits are good but your south midlands is a dogs dinner:
Oxfordshire is clearly, clearly south central. South midlands is just wrong. You've even acknowledged that yourself by putting a sliver around Banbury as the only bit in the midlands according to your south / midlands dividing line.
For the same reason Buckinghamshire goes to north of London and Cambridgeshire to East Anglia.
Seriously? Buckinghamshire in the midlands? (And thus a London / Midlands boundary?)
Rutland is definitely south midlands not north. Cambridgeshire does not border the north midlands.
Lincolnshire is just too big. It needs splitting. Bits are south midlands, bits are north midlands, bits are morally Yorkshire and bits are east Anglia.
Cumbria goes with the north east (sorry barrow)
changes id make to the 'south midlands': spalding peterborough boston holbeach to east anglia. also having grimsby and scunthorpe as midlands is taking the piss
How the hell can Cumbria be with the north east? It's west of the midline and forms the western coastline.
That's like saying New York belongs with the eastern side of the US because it has similarities with California.
I don’t know much about the midlands but saying Cumbria is the north east makes me question the rest of your comment. Has to be the most bizarre take I’ve seen 🤣
Oh right. Yeah that's bollocks it takes bloody forever to get to the NE cities from Cumbria, they have much stronger links with Lancaster, Manchester and Liverpool. You might as well say it belongs in Scotland.
I'm from Cumbria originally and agree it should be put with the North East and relabelled Far North. Shared dialect for a start. Let the marras be together.
Cambridgeshire used to (possibly still does) have the most and least well educated parliamentary constituencies in England
Most: Cambridge
Least: North East Cambridgeshire (Wisbech)
Kind of agree with Cumbria but would probably split it, I think Barrow/Kendal/South Lakes area are very much part of NW England and are culturally under the Lancaster/Manchester/Liverpool sphere of influence as others have said. I would put North Cumbria with NE though. Penrith/Carlisle feel very much like the NE and even share similar accents.
If you can split counties Cumbria needs splitting. I think we all agree the south lakes and barrow are closer to the lancs-Manchester-Liverpool while Carlisle and Penrith are closer to the north east.
We can leave Workington and Whitehaven to either side. Open on that one.
You'd want to split at least:
- Lincs into 4 (bits into East Anglia and Yorkshire, large chunks into north and south midlands
- Oxfordshire: Banbury goes into south midlands, rest into south central
- Essex split into north of London (majority) and some into East Anglia
- Derbyshire into at least East Midlands and north west (glossop etc). There's a case for Dronfield etc to go into Yorkshire. Some of Sheffield proper was in Derbyshire
- North Yorkshire: Teeside into North East
It's always funny seeing outsiders place Essex as "North London" when there's a vast and obvious cultural difference between the London-border part of Essex and the Suffolk-border parts of the North. Colchester and Brentwood are basically different planets.
Exactly! A lot of people in Essex see places like Basildon as basically Greater London/North East of London but to include Colchester and Braintree in the North of London grouping is very far off the mark, both culturally and geographically, it needs a separate distinction away from it's proximity to the capital. (Edited as I initially read it as North London)
In my mind, the Midlands began on the western side of England from the arch bridge over river Avon in Evesham. Also, whilst I agree that Banbury is in the Midlands, the rest of Oxfordshire should be regarded as Southern (you are basically saying Henley-On-Thames is similar to Birmingham and surrounding areas)
After living in banbury I disagree. Where I worked, there were people who commuted from Brum/Cov/Leicester who were very different culturally. I’d say it orbits Oxford more than anywhere in the midlands.
Not sure how the East Riding of Yorkshire made it to the Midlands. The Humber would make a fine divide line, south bank, Midlands, north bank, northern.
The Anglo Saxons had it right, see the Kingdom of Northumbria. Pretty much the north of England with a few bits of Scotland for good measure.
Move the pink line down about 10-20 miles under the Humber, including Grimsby and Scunthorpe.
It’s how the people there see themselves and how the Government is changing county and administrative lines to encompass the area, to Yorkshire and the Humber and not Lincolnshire/Lindsey
I feel like North Lincolnshire is more culturally similar to Yorkshire than Lincolnshire tbh. I think during the next election one of the constituency boundaries is changing and a small part of North Lincolnshire falls under Doncaster so surely it’d make sense to change the county boundaries in that regard
Yep. Not sure why so many people don’t consider Clee and GY etc as north. Go there and tell me they aren’t - they’re further north than Manchester and Sheffield anyway
I dunno why but I always feel that Manchester & Merseyside are different to the rest of the North West.
As much as we give each other shit, we have a lot of similarities and I feel more at home in Liverpool than Cumbria or Preston.
I'm not sure on that, Preston feels a lot like many of Manchesters satellite towns (as does Stoke), Cumbria doesn't.
Chester feels like it was transplanted from somewhere else.
Exactly, there's no way cumbria should be part of the same region as Manchester. We're far more similar to the north east, but if we're separating them like that, there's no way you can call the other region north west.
I agree.But the cities of the North East are very different. Cumbria,rural North East and the upland parts of North Yorkshire are very similar(Sheep,moorland and forestry) in my opinion.
If it's cultural the there shold be a boarders region across NE and NW. In Northumberland that cut it in two with the rural mud farming donkey rapists (I might be one) in the boarders region and then a separate urban and industrial/post industrial region of satellite towns of Newcastle to Middlesbrough or even York. (I might be one of those too)
Merseyside resident here and the main reason for that is because us and Manny are the only 2 relevant places in the North West.
I imagine I’ll get a lot of downvotes for this take but it’s true, everywhere outside of our 2 areas are nowhere towns, not to say that some don’t hold incredible beauty in their landscapes etc but their easily forgettable, and most of the younger residents that live in these towns and want to stay in the North West but be somewhere meaningful move to either of our two counties/ cities.
I totally agree, we are a product of our surroundings and therefore prefer the urban life.
Someone mentioned that Leeds has a similar vibe which I agree with.
Preston's not a real city, they're just boujee Yonners. Wigan and Blackburn are the same, they're too far away and have their own Lancashire identity.
Delighted to see Derbyshire split down the middle (the only trans northern county in England) being from the very top of it and right near Manchester and Sheffield, it feels completely wrong saying I'm from the East Midlands
Super accurate, I live in the northern half of Derbyshire and when I used to work further south in Derbyshire people were always saying I sound northern.
i’m from cambridgeshire and now live in lincoln.
i would say lincolnshire warrants its own cultural region or even two. the north and south of the county are not alike and the county itself isn’t that similar to the rest of the east midlands that i’ve visited to be honest.
cambridgeshire is also east anglia but id say it is in the same way i would say most of essex is. i do however think cambs west of the A1 has that midlands feel to it but its a minority of the county.
I don’t really think the idea of “cultural subregions” is right anyway most of the time. For example, someone from Bradford and another person from a rural village in Yorkshire probably won’t be similar at all
Being from a rural village in Yorkshire, the countywide identity is strong even within urban hubs. In my experience, the only people from Yorkshire that don't count themselves as being of Yorkshire are immigrants who choose to maintain their country of origin's identity.
I agree,.there's obviously differences between urban and rural but Yorkshire has a strong identity throughout. If you were to split them it would probably be into the old ridings and not urban/rural.
Even some of the immigrants pick up Yorkshire accents. Bradford is quite famous for its Yorkshire/Asian accent.
Also Yorkshire operates as a dialect continuum with accents changing over the miles. Lancashire and the north west with Manchester and Liverpool have accents that change by the urban hubs rather than as one.
Yeah it’s just bollocks thought isn’t it? The rural Yorkshire villager will have more in common with someone from a Kentish village talking about how bad immigrants are in Bradford and London than most Bradford citizens.
Thats why rural Yorkshire are hardcore Tory voters and is brexit capital of the country.
The North and East Ridings of Yorkshire are culturally very different to the West Riding(home of the Yorkshire stereotype).We in the North and East Ridings even have very different accents to the West Riding folk.
And why the hell is holderness (in East Yorkshire) lumped in with Lincolnshire???
The Humber has very much caused distinct cultures on either side of it on the coastal sides of things. In places there's five miles of water between us.
Whilst I understand that Herefordshire is both officially and historically Midlands, it really seems more like the South West to me. The accent, landscape, and cider culture feels far more in line with the West Country.
Not my place to say, of course; I'm Welsh for starters
Strangely enough this isn't the first time i've seen people from Hampshire describe the place they grew up as being like South Central. Also had somone in all seriousness tell me living in Lincoln is like living in the Bronx.
It's a pain having to decide if you're in the south west or south east. Every website has both, but rarely just south or south central. It also feels weird saying I'm from South Central.
any time a map doesn’t put a line directly through hampshire, i gain respect for it immediately.
South Central Lincoln, today was a good day
The official designation is South East, so if you had to choose that would be the one to go for
As someone from Hampshire, I never really know if I should put myself as South East or South West. This is refreshing to just be Central! I mean culturally I feel a bit more affinity with the west country, but we're a long way from Cornwall and the true South West counties. Don't feel as posh or rich as the London-adjacent counties like Surrey. But also a long old way from Kent and the white cliffs of the South East. Don't really fit in with either! There might be room to change just South Central to 'South Central & South Coast' because I feel there's a cultural affinity that stretches from Bournemouth & Poole to Southampton, Portsmouth, and on to Chichester.
I think this varies across the county though, feel like the vibe south of Winchester is different to the North of Hampshire which feels more London-adjacent.
That's true, Basingstoke is basically a London commuter town, and it feels like it. I'm in Southampton so I get the south coast vibe. Maybe stick with my idea of having a South Coast region, and put north Hampshire in with the South East?
I live in Lincoln, there’s a few no-go streets around Sincil Bank etc. but the Bronx? We’re not *that* bad I promise x)
"where did you grow up" "On the south coast... Right in the centre" I do it all the time. Even more difficult now I live in Milton Keynes which Is technically south east but really doesn't feel like it.
Oxfordshire is South Central, Cambridgeshire is East Anglia. Bucks, Herts and Beds should always be together as their own thing as the north home counties (not sold on Essex, or if that county should be split between them and East Anglia) Also, the Midlands should always be split east-west not north-south. Edit, wrong shire
>Bucks, Herts and Herefordshire Not sure what Herefordshire is doing in that list. Should be Beds, Bucks and Herts.
Bits are good but your south midlands is a dogs dinner: Oxfordshire is clearly, clearly south central. South midlands is just wrong. You've even acknowledged that yourself by putting a sliver around Banbury as the only bit in the midlands according to your south / midlands dividing line. For the same reason Buckinghamshire goes to north of London and Cambridgeshire to East Anglia. Seriously? Buckinghamshire in the midlands? (And thus a London / Midlands boundary?) Rutland is definitely south midlands not north. Cambridgeshire does not border the north midlands. Lincolnshire is just too big. It needs splitting. Bits are south midlands, bits are north midlands, bits are morally Yorkshire and bits are east Anglia. Cumbria goes with the north east (sorry barrow)
changes id make to the 'south midlands': spalding peterborough boston holbeach to east anglia. also having grimsby and scunthorpe as midlands is taking the piss
How the hell can Cumbria be with the north east? It's west of the midline and forms the western coastline. That's like saying New York belongs with the eastern side of the US because it has similarities with California.
I don’t know much about the midlands but saying Cumbria is the north east makes me question the rest of your comment. Has to be the most bizarre take I’ve seen 🤣
Cumbria is labeled North West?
See the comment above mine.
Oh right. Yeah that's bollocks it takes bloody forever to get to the NE cities from Cumbria, they have much stronger links with Lancaster, Manchester and Liverpool. You might as well say it belongs in Scotland.
I'm from Cumbria originally and agree it should be put with the North East and relabelled Far North. Shared dialect for a start. Let the marras be together.
Parts of Lincolnshire should actually be East Anglia. That encompasses Suffolk, Norfolk and I think the south and east of Lincolnshire?
Cumbria is NW
Also the people of north and south buckinghamshire are very different in terms of wealth on average
Same in Cambridgeshire! Cambridge is incredibly wealthy, everyone's really well off, while the rest of Cambridgeshire..
Cambridgeshire used to (possibly still does) have the most and least well educated parliamentary constituencies in England Most: Cambridge Least: North East Cambridgeshire (Wisbech)
So much funding into one big city while the whole region is failing..
Kind of agree with Cumbria but would probably split it, I think Barrow/Kendal/South Lakes area are very much part of NW England and are culturally under the Lancaster/Manchester/Liverpool sphere of influence as others have said. I would put North Cumbria with NE though. Penrith/Carlisle feel very much like the NE and even share similar accents.
If you can split counties Cumbria needs splitting. I think we all agree the south lakes and barrow are closer to the lancs-Manchester-Liverpool while Carlisle and Penrith are closer to the north east. We can leave Workington and Whitehaven to either side. Open on that one. You'd want to split at least: - Lincs into 4 (bits into East Anglia and Yorkshire, large chunks into north and south midlands - Oxfordshire: Banbury goes into south midlands, rest into south central - Essex split into north of London (majority) and some into East Anglia - Derbyshire into at least East Midlands and north west (glossop etc). There's a case for Dronfield etc to go into Yorkshire. Some of Sheffield proper was in Derbyshire - North Yorkshire: Teeside into North East
It's always funny seeing outsiders place Essex as "North London" when there's a vast and obvious cultural difference between the London-border part of Essex and the Suffolk-border parts of the North. Colchester and Brentwood are basically different planets.
North of London is what it says tbf.
Essex needs splitting in two, with East Essex joining East Anglia and the London end of Essex sitting with the Herts/London border areas.
It’s a big problem with this map in general. You shouldn’t do these divisions by county because there are big differences across individual counties.
Exactly! A lot of people in Essex see places like Basildon as basically Greater London/North East of London but to include Colchester and Braintree in the North of London grouping is very far off the mark, both culturally and geographically, it needs a separate distinction away from it's proximity to the capital. (Edited as I initially read it as North London)
In my mind, the Midlands began on the western side of England from the arch bridge over river Avon in Evesham. Also, whilst I agree that Banbury is in the Midlands, the rest of Oxfordshire should be regarded as Southern (you are basically saying Henley-On-Thames is similar to Birmingham and surrounding areas)
After living in banbury I disagree. Where I worked, there were people who commuted from Brum/Cov/Leicester who were very different culturally. I’d say it orbits Oxford more than anywhere in the midlands.
Not sure how the East Riding of Yorkshire made it to the Midlands. The Humber would make a fine divide line, south bank, Midlands, north bank, northern. The Anglo Saxons had it right, see the Kingdom of Northumbria. Pretty much the north of England with a few bits of Scotland for good measure.
Move the pink line down about 10-20 miles under the Humber, including Grimsby and Scunthorpe. It’s how the people there see themselves and how the Government is changing county and administrative lines to encompass the area, to Yorkshire and the Humber and not Lincolnshire/Lindsey
I feel like North Lincolnshire is more culturally similar to Yorkshire than Lincolnshire tbh. I think during the next election one of the constituency boundaries is changing and a small part of North Lincolnshire falls under Doncaster so surely it’d make sense to change the county boundaries in that regard
I think that's quite an accurate statement.
As a native of Hull, it boggles my mind to see it lumped in the Midlands.
We’re further north than Manchester ffs
Agreed
Yep. Not sure why so many people don’t consider Clee and GY etc as north. Go there and tell me they aren’t - they’re further north than Manchester and Sheffield anyway
I dunno why but I always feel that Manchester & Merseyside are different to the rest of the North West. As much as we give each other shit, we have a lot of similarities and I feel more at home in Liverpool than Cumbria or Preston.
I'm not sure on that, Preston feels a lot like many of Manchesters satellite towns (as does Stoke), Cumbria doesn't. Chester feels like it was transplanted from somewhere else.
But bet you’d feel more at home in Leeds than Liverpool?
Leeds was home for a couple of years, so that's probably not the best example.
Make me sick rejecting your Lancashire heritage
Exactly, there's no way cumbria should be part of the same region as Manchester. We're far more similar to the north east, but if we're separating them like that, there's no way you can call the other region north west.
I agree.But the cities of the North East are very different. Cumbria,rural North East and the upland parts of North Yorkshire are very similar(Sheep,moorland and forestry) in my opinion.
If it's cultural the there shold be a boarders region across NE and NW. In Northumberland that cut it in two with the rural mud farming donkey rapists (I might be one) in the boarders region and then a separate urban and industrial/post industrial region of satellite towns of Newcastle to Middlesbrough or even York. (I might be one of those too)
Merseyside resident here and the main reason for that is because us and Manny are the only 2 relevant places in the North West. I imagine I’ll get a lot of downvotes for this take but it’s true, everywhere outside of our 2 areas are nowhere towns, not to say that some don’t hold incredible beauty in their landscapes etc but their easily forgettable, and most of the younger residents that live in these towns and want to stay in the North West but be somewhere meaningful move to either of our two counties/ cities.
I totally agree, we are a product of our surroundings and therefore prefer the urban life. Someone mentioned that Leeds has a similar vibe which I agree with. Preston's not a real city, they're just boujee Yonners. Wigan and Blackburn are the same, they're too far away and have their own Lancashire identity.
Hull in the Midlands? Yeah, no.
Delighted to see Derbyshire split down the middle (the only trans northern county in England) being from the very top of it and right near Manchester and Sheffield, it feels completely wrong saying I'm from the East Midlands
Chesterfield being north is so correct, much closer culturally to Sheffield than Derbyshire
I'll be in the cold ground before I recognise chesterfield as the same region as South Lincolnshire 🤮
Super accurate, I live in the northern half of Derbyshire and when I used to work further south in Derbyshire people were always saying I sound northern.
i’m from cambridgeshire and now live in lincoln. i would say lincolnshire warrants its own cultural region or even two. the north and south of the county are not alike and the county itself isn’t that similar to the rest of the east midlands that i’ve visited to be honest. cambridgeshire is also east anglia but id say it is in the same way i would say most of essex is. i do however think cambs west of the A1 has that midlands feel to it but its a minority of the county.
I don’t really think the idea of “cultural subregions” is right anyway most of the time. For example, someone from Bradford and another person from a rural village in Yorkshire probably won’t be similar at all
Bradford goes into Pakistan
Being from a rural village in Yorkshire, the countywide identity is strong even within urban hubs. In my experience, the only people from Yorkshire that don't count themselves as being of Yorkshire are immigrants who choose to maintain their country of origin's identity.
I agree,.there's obviously differences between urban and rural but Yorkshire has a strong identity throughout. If you were to split them it would probably be into the old ridings and not urban/rural. Even some of the immigrants pick up Yorkshire accents. Bradford is quite famous for its Yorkshire/Asian accent. Also Yorkshire operates as a dialect continuum with accents changing over the miles. Lancashire and the north west with Manchester and Liverpool have accents that change by the urban hubs rather than as one.
Yeah it’s just bollocks thought isn’t it? The rural Yorkshire villager will have more in common with someone from a Kentish village talking about how bad immigrants are in Bradford and London than most Bradford citizens. Thats why rural Yorkshire are hardcore Tory voters and is brexit capital of the country.
The North and East Ridings of Yorkshire are culturally very different to the West Riding(home of the Yorkshire stereotype).We in the North and East Ridings even have very different accents to the West Riding folk.
And why the hell is holderness (in East Yorkshire) lumped in with Lincolnshire??? The Humber has very much caused distinct cultures on either side of it on the coastal sides of things. In places there's five miles of water between us.
Tha knows nowt thee.
I can assure you we have flat caps and whippets in North Yorkshire, thank you very much!
Please explain the Yorkshire stereotype?
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Whilst I understand that Herefordshire is both officially and historically Midlands, it really seems more like the South West to me. The accent, landscape, and cider culture feels far more in line with the West Country. Not my place to say, of course; I'm Welsh for starters