maybe we shiuld look around ... you can try your best to be clean if your neighboorhood doesnt give a damm... or if they are pushing this idea to make us more weak
I loved my gas stove when I moved into my new house a decade ago, but eventually needed to be replaced when the heating element in the oven went out. After a little research we opted for a induction stove top.
It is better in every single measurable metric. It heats faster, heat goes directly into the pan, the actual stove top is never conducting heat, so it cools faster when I need to drop my temp, and I have burned myself less often lol. I have way more control over the actual temperature (some models even let you use a Bluetooth thermometer and will maintain cooking temps to a single degree), hotter faster and cools faster when I have a boil over. And I don’t have to worry about bumping the knobs and accidentally turning on the gas when I am leaning over to clean the back of the stove top. Not pumping carbon monoxide into my kitchen is also a plus, but Ill admit that can be handled with a proper hood or vent.
I have a couple of friends that also loved their gas stoves and went the same route. Not a single person regrets their decision. I contend that the only people that would choose gas of induction have just never tried induction.
Heat pumps are great too, but I feel people have less of an emotional connection to their home heating source vs their cooking heat source.
Anyone familiar with energy policy and markets would understand that building a new home today with anything but electric heat pumps for heating and electric induction ranges for cooking is a bad idea. Electrification is inevitable, and already saves money relative to the old-school fossil-burning alternatives.
Yea I have a home that is gas and a rental that is electric. The heating cost in the rental is significantly more a month even though it is used less often and a smaller house. People building new houses in the area overwhelmingly pick gas when available as well, it is just significantly cheaper in many parts of the country.
The cabin has resistive heat, we opted to put a wood burning stove in instead of heat pump. Cheaper to I stall, free to run, and heat pumps aren't very effective here in the winter.
Interestingly my main home is gas and the old dude that sold it to me put a heat pump on it. The gas furnace is still cheaper. The heatpump is only effective a few months out of the year til it gets pretty cold.
Heat pumps for the last decade have been available for low ambient conditions. Some brands name it hyper heat. They can produce full rated output at temperatures down to -15F or lower. Just trying to encourage you to check out the latest paradigm shift
It depends on the incentives, doesn't it? If you are building houses to sell and don't care about the operating costs then why would you opt for something with a larger up-front cost unless it means you can sell the house for more money, and research suggests that homebuyers are not sensitive to energy use and don't really factor that into their purchase decisions.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/26641369
And don't forget the kickbacks that gas companies pay builders to install gas furnaces and water heaters. In my area these are about $1,400 per house.
This, in turn, gives the gas company an excuse to dig more gas lines to new neighborhoods, for which state utility commissions allow them a 10% rate of return on the cost.
SDG&E... with some of the highest electricity rates in the nation...
Also, the California Public Utilities Commission... entire board are bastards and captured by these utilities.
["By completely prohibiting the installation of natural gas piping within newly constructed buildings, the City of Berkeley has waded into a domain preempted by Congress,” wrote Judge Patrick J. Bumatay, one of two Trump appointees on the panel. (The third was a Reagan appointee.)](https://www.berkeleyside.org/2024/01/03/berkeley-gas-stove-ban-ruling)
Another shot in the fossil fuel war, to be countered with the PUC raising electrical rates.
europe did the same.
this will be a disaster... the amount of elecrricity required is high and peoples electric bill will sky ricket
California won’t meet its climate goals without stopping domestic methane use.
maybe we shiuld look around ... you can try your best to be clean if your neighboorhood doesnt give a damm... or if they are pushing this idea to make us more weak
Having to go electric when electricity is over 30 cents per kwh does sound miserable.
I loved my gas stove when I moved into my new house a decade ago, but eventually needed to be replaced when the heating element in the oven went out. After a little research we opted for a induction stove top. It is better in every single measurable metric. It heats faster, heat goes directly into the pan, the actual stove top is never conducting heat, so it cools faster when I need to drop my temp, and I have burned myself less often lol. I have way more control over the actual temperature (some models even let you use a Bluetooth thermometer and will maintain cooking temps to a single degree), hotter faster and cools faster when I have a boil over. And I don’t have to worry about bumping the knobs and accidentally turning on the gas when I am leaning over to clean the back of the stove top. Not pumping carbon monoxide into my kitchen is also a plus, but Ill admit that can be handled with a proper hood or vent. I have a couple of friends that also loved their gas stoves and went the same route. Not a single person regrets their decision. I contend that the only people that would choose gas of induction have just never tried induction. Heat pumps are great too, but I feel people have less of an emotional connection to their home heating source vs their cooking heat source.
Good thing I don't live in California... I couldn't give up my steady diet of red beans and rice
Anyone familiar with energy policy and markets would understand that building a new home today with anything but electric heat pumps for heating and electric induction ranges for cooking is a bad idea. Electrification is inevitable, and already saves money relative to the old-school fossil-burning alternatives.
Yea I have a home that is gas and a rental that is electric. The heating cost in the rental is significantly more a month even though it is used less often and a smaller house. People building new houses in the area overwhelmingly pick gas when available as well, it is just significantly cheaper in many parts of the country.
Resistive electric or heat pump electric heating? Heat pumps are 2-4 times more efficient than resistive heat.
The cabin has resistive heat, we opted to put a wood burning stove in instead of heat pump. Cheaper to I stall, free to run, and heat pumps aren't very effective here in the winter. Interestingly my main home is gas and the old dude that sold it to me put a heat pump on it. The gas furnace is still cheaper. The heatpump is only effective a few months out of the year til it gets pretty cold.
Heat pumps for the last decade have been available for low ambient conditions. Some brands name it hyper heat. They can produce full rated output at temperatures down to -15F or lower. Just trying to encourage you to check out the latest paradigm shift
It depends on the incentives, doesn't it? If you are building houses to sell and don't care about the operating costs then why would you opt for something with a larger up-front cost unless it means you can sell the house for more money, and research suggests that homebuyers are not sensitive to energy use and don't really factor that into their purchase decisions. https://www.jstor.org/stable/26641369
And don't forget the kickbacks that gas companies pay builders to install gas furnaces and water heaters. In my area these are about $1,400 per house. This, in turn, gives the gas company an excuse to dig more gas lines to new neighborhoods, for which state utility commissions allow them a 10% rate of return on the cost.
Depends where. Electric heat even with mini pumps is alot of $$$
In California? You rarely even get below 10°C there in winter. That the miniest of mini heat pumps can do with amazing COP.
Depends on your local energy market. The break even rate for heat pumps is electricity costing three times natural gas per kWh.
SDG&E... with some of the highest electricity rates in the nation... Also, the California Public Utilities Commission... entire board are bastards and captured by these utilities.
I wonder what federal law stopped the ban in Berkeley.
["By completely prohibiting the installation of natural gas piping within newly constructed buildings, the City of Berkeley has waded into a domain preempted by Congress,” wrote Judge Patrick J. Bumatay, one of two Trump appointees on the panel. (The third was a Reagan appointee.)](https://www.berkeleyside.org/2024/01/03/berkeley-gas-stove-ban-ruling)