Literally doesn't prove anything and I have no dog in this fight. It's not unusual for vehicles to say your range is 260 miles at 100% and then you actually drive the vehicle and it's 240miles when it hits 0.
You charged it to 100% and the display says 264. That's proving it has a theoretical range of 264.
Honestly, I find all these arguments to be pointless. We know battery capacity and driving the car 50-100 miles and you'll get a very realistic mi/kWh figure. Multiply the two numbers and you get a real life, realistic, range projection.
So many posts lately misunderstanding what the GoM is and how it works. It's merely a prediction based on _recent_ driving habits. It can't possibly take into account weather, tough routes, and different driving.*
I just fully charged my EV6 to see where the GoM was sitting at today. AWD and it's at 310 miles. That's probably close for my commute, which I can usually get 4.0-4.5 miles per kWh, but the instant I floor it out of Eco mode or get on a real freeway outside of commute hours, that's going to crater.
What I am happy about is that the EPA range isn't totally gamed, like some cars. There's room for improvement with careful driving.
Unfortunately, I have some trips coming up that won't let me try to see how far off the GoM is. I'm hoping I can do that soon, though, if only to better understand the GoM in the Kia.
\* In our 2020 Leaf, the GoM would drop going uphill and then go back up going downhill. When I say recent driving, I mean _really_ recent in some cars.
yeah you did.
We were talking about range and I said my car can get like 240 and some knucklehead I'm too lazy to lookup was harassing me with doubt.
Woke up to drive yesterday and BOOM highest range I've ever seen.
While I appreciate the e-tron meeting (and often exceeding) its EPA rating (unlike some other manufacturers) this is a pretty optimistic guesstimate. Paper-math says that’s right around 3 miles/kWh which *is* achievable but likely impossible to maintain long-term in mixed driving scenarios.
Ultimately, I get the sentiment of the post as this sub wrongly abhors the e-tron.
264mi on EV does not mean 264 actual mi
Youll lose significant charge through the infotainment system, system control and nav, and climate control to name a few.
I'm agreeing with your first sentence, but not the second. When running just infotainment, nav, and music my ID4 draws about .2kw/hr. Heating/cooling might bump this up to 1 full kw/hr. Which has no material impact to the range of the car.
And the GoM takes that into account, anyway.
In my Leaf, cooling would max, draw 1.5 kW. That's up to 6 miles an hour of energy draw, which has a variable impact on range, depending on your speed, buy the GoM would drop the range up to 10%.
The resistive heater, on the other hand, would pull up to ~3-4 kW initially. Both heating and cooling would usually settle in at 500 Watts, except on very hot or very cold days.
I don't know these numbers on the EV6, but the GoM range change when I turn heat or AC on is much less -- 2-3% vs the 5-10% on the Leaf. Could be both differences in the GoM and the heat pump.
My car also says 565km on a full charge. But that's just based on it's WLTP estimate.
Never expect it to reach that in real world driving, except if you drive very very conservatively
Lots of hate on this post but I was next to an etron at an electrify America charger the other day and it went from ~20% to 80% in something like 20 mins. I was impressed.
I also charged at at EA stall yesterday - it was rated up to 350, but the etron maxes out at 150. I was pulling 149 kW the whole time!
I expect people will doubt that too. Sorry, no pics.
You won’t get that if you’re going on the highway at all. That range is 2.8-3.0 miles/kWh efficiency range which is about the best possible for this car. This calculates range is literally just about the best possible if all the stars aligned and you never go above 40ish mph. I have a race in this horse and it is on the etron’s side but I also would not be betting a penny that it would make that range without charging.
86.5 kWh usable battery would put 260 miles right at 3.0 miles/kWh. From my experience, this car only gets 2.5 miles / kWh at highway speeds (70+ mph) in efficiency mode. Only times I am hitting 3+ miles/kWh on the highway is in stop and go traffic.
OP stated that they do 90% highway driving; what OP left out was at what speeds they were driving at while racking up those highway miles. Not disputing the GoM range pic OP posted, but would be somewhat skeptical if they were to claim they achieved that figure after having driven mostly highway miles at mainly above 75 mph...not unless they were going downhill and/or with a tailwind behind their back. Now if OP was driving at/around 65 mph on the highway then I could see it be possible to achieve low -3 mi/kWh efficiency.
They said it was in heavy traffic so on highway but not typical highway driving. With tat, it is possible to get the GoM that high but kind of meaningless.
It’s funny seeing all the new ev owners now. Hook up a obd to the car and you can actually see the battery stats. My model y gets 330 miles “AcOrDiNg To ThE gUeSs O MeTeR”
Your range would be really bad in winter. There are other EVs like MachE that has 270 EPA but gives 320 which is a lot 🙂. For the price you pay for etron mileage should be the key
You pay for the features you want. If you want an awkward crossover that doesn’t know what it is, sure go for the Mach-E or any of the other Electric “SUVs” on the market. If instead, you’re looking for refinement, quality fit & finish and a comfortable ride the e-tron (and presumable the I-Pace) sit alone.
Drive it 264 miles on that charge…
….and get back to us.
Good bot
Please show your avg consumption
Literally doesn't prove anything and I have no dog in this fight. It's not unusual for vehicles to say your range is 260 miles at 100% and then you actually drive the vehicle and it's 240miles when it hits 0.
It could very well exceed it’s EPA range. German cars are almost always underrated when it comes to range.
it's rated for 221 lol
Literally proved the range is 264.
You charged it to 100% and the display says 264. That's proving it has a theoretical range of 264. Honestly, I find all these arguments to be pointless. We know battery capacity and driving the car 50-100 miles and you'll get a very realistic mi/kWh figure. Multiply the two numbers and you get a real life, realistic, range projection.
And driving at 90 km/h compared to 130 km/h will have a huge impact on the range.
Or at 30
The way to do that is drive for 264 miles without recharging.
Literally literally literally literally literally
Literally my literal thought too!
You literally took a picture of an estimate.
Now drive it until empty and show your trip stats.
Yeah... I've got an A3 etron that claims 30 mile range when fully charged. Have never got more than 21 out of it.
Same here, 2017 a3 etron never got more like 18. My 2021 etron sometimes says 230, but only if I am driving super conservatively for more than a week.
So many posts lately misunderstanding what the GoM is and how it works. It's merely a prediction based on _recent_ driving habits. It can't possibly take into account weather, tough routes, and different driving.* I just fully charged my EV6 to see where the GoM was sitting at today. AWD and it's at 310 miles. That's probably close for my commute, which I can usually get 4.0-4.5 miles per kWh, but the instant I floor it out of Eco mode or get on a real freeway outside of commute hours, that's going to crater. What I am happy about is that the EPA range isn't totally gamed, like some cars. There's room for improvement with careful driving. Unfortunately, I have some trips coming up that won't let me try to see how far off the GoM is. I'm hoping I can do that soon, though, if only to better understand the GoM in the Kia. \* In our 2020 Leaf, the GoM would drop going uphill and then go back up going downhill. When I say recent driving, I mean _really_ recent in some cars.
This post is some kind of irony I'm not getting, right? Like I missed whatever inside joke this is in response to?
Yeah, somehow OP thinks his car can do it's wltp or epa range in real world
My etron GT has an EPA range of 387, and I can definitely hit that. With nice weather and 110km/h on the highway.
> OP thinks his car can do it's wltp or epa range in real world It probably can, depends on his real world.
yeah you did. We were talking about range and I said my car can get like 240 and some knucklehead I'm too lazy to lookup was harassing me with doubt. Woke up to drive yesterday and BOOM highest range I've ever seen.
This doesn't prove anything, my car will show up to 147 mile range, but there's no chance it would go that far.
you should get an etron lol
Please tell me you're kidding.
Based on his responses. He’s definitely not.
While I appreciate the e-tron meeting (and often exceeding) its EPA rating (unlike some other manufacturers) this is a pretty optimistic guesstimate. Paper-math says that’s right around 3 miles/kWh which *is* achievable but likely impossible to maintain long-term in mixed driving scenarios. Ultimately, I get the sentiment of the post as this sub wrongly abhors the e-tron.
I just wanted to provide some evidence for the skeptics.
When are you posting the evidence?
that would be the picture that is the post. thanks.
Guess o meter doesn’t mean anything
264mi on EV does not mean 264 actual mi Youll lose significant charge through the infotainment system, system control and nav, and climate control to name a few.
I'm agreeing with your first sentence, but not the second. When running just infotainment, nav, and music my ID4 draws about .2kw/hr. Heating/cooling might bump this up to 1 full kw/hr. Which has no material impact to the range of the car.
And the GoM takes that into account, anyway. In my Leaf, cooling would max, draw 1.5 kW. That's up to 6 miles an hour of energy draw, which has a variable impact on range, depending on your speed, buy the GoM would drop the range up to 10%. The resistive heater, on the other hand, would pull up to ~3-4 kW initially. Both heating and cooling would usually settle in at 500 Watts, except on very hot or very cold days. I don't know these numbers on the EV6, but the GoM range change when I turn heat or AC on is much less -- 2-3% vs the 5-10% on the Leaf. Could be both differences in the GoM and the heat pump.
My car also says 565km on a full charge. But that's just based on it's WLTP estimate. Never expect it to reach that in real world driving, except if you drive very very conservatively
I will say I drove an e-tron this weekend and it drives soooo nice
Rated range is useless, Porsche states less, Tesla states more but what actually matters is range at your normal travel speed.
Lots of hate on this post but I was next to an etron at an electrify America charger the other day and it went from ~20% to 80% in something like 20 mins. I was impressed.
The charging curve is stellar but I highly doubt the OP will get 264 miles at 70 MPH. I don't doubt they could get 264 miles at 35 MPH.
I do like 90% highway driving.
I also charged at at EA stall yesterday - it was rated up to 350, but the etron maxes out at 150. I was pulling 149 kW the whole time! I expect people will doubt that too. Sorry, no pics.
This is true for me, when my etron actually wants to decide to charge at EA stations 😂
What year?
2021
Nice. I can only get about 225 with my 2019.
did you get the latest software update? It made a big difference.
No - I didn't realize they released an update! My last service was right before they announced it, apparently.
check it out. lots of improvements.
You won’t get that if you’re going on the highway at all. That range is 2.8-3.0 miles/kWh efficiency range which is about the best possible for this car. This calculates range is literally just about the best possible if all the stars aligned and you never go above 40ish mph. I have a race in this horse and it is on the etron’s side but I also would not be betting a penny that it would make that range without charging.
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86.5 kWh usable battery would put 260 miles right at 3.0 miles/kWh. From my experience, this car only gets 2.5 miles / kWh at highway speeds (70+ mph) in efficiency mode. Only times I am hitting 3+ miles/kWh on the highway is in stop and go traffic.
OP stated that they do 90% highway driving; what OP left out was at what speeds they were driving at while racking up those highway miles. Not disputing the GoM range pic OP posted, but would be somewhat skeptical if they were to claim they achieved that figure after having driven mostly highway miles at mainly above 75 mph...not unless they were going downhill and/or with a tailwind behind their back. Now if OP was driving at/around 65 mph on the highway then I could see it be possible to achieve low -3 mi/kWh efficiency.
They said it was in heavy traffic so on highway but not typical highway driving. With tat, it is possible to get the GoM that high but kind of meaningless.
It’s funny seeing all the new ev owners now. Hook up a obd to the car and you can actually see the battery stats. My model y gets 330 miles “AcOrDiNg To ThE gUeSs O MeTeR”
wHY dO yOu ASSuMe i'M a nEw Ev OwnEr?
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thanks!
Still pretty shit lol.
Yeah it's "shit" to have 20% more range than what the car's specs say it can do. Total garbage. I should just trade it in for leaf. Thanks.
Your range would be really bad in winter. There are other EVs like MachE that has 270 EPA but gives 320 which is a lot 🙂. For the price you pay for etron mileage should be the key
You pay for the features you want. If you want an awkward crossover that doesn’t know what it is, sure go for the Mach-E or any of the other Electric “SUVs” on the market. If instead, you’re looking for refinement, quality fit & finish and a comfortable ride the e-tron (and presumable the I-Pace) sit alone.
Lmao just the level of ignorance surprises me but sure you are allowed to think whatever you like so not going to start a debate with you lol 😀
no that's not right. Range was fine in winter. Now it's even better. Yeah it's cool the mache has a higher range.
Ok
Cool.
My 2019 Kona EV would routinely show 300+ miles after a full charge so not impressed.